| IVOD_ID |
168013 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168013 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-30T10:11:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-30T10:23:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:32 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d0265d86f2f18c67f950e5cc77a1e6e55334e86b5f84e1ac97994c33887c7127165d56d12b5959f05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉書彬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:32 - 10:23:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 有請楊總裁請中央銀行楊總裁 |
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劉仁早總裁早我們現在首先來討論一下台幣改版的問題在看到現行的台幣它的偽造率是非常低的數位化的支付也在提升我想你們這次要改版的一個很重要的原因可能是防衛技術要升級還有數位跟綠色轉型是嗎這是你們最主要的目的嗎 |
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我想呢最主要的目的呢也是在於這個議題我來是不是請我們的發行局來回答這個問題不過我想因為時間這個是應該從你們報告當中拿出來的這是其實這兩個目的是最重要的嘛對不對這個您說哪兩個是最重要的防衛技術升級的需求還有數位跟綠色轉型的需求 |
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這個我想一個改版也不是就只有這兩個目的當然當然也不是這兩個目的我跟委員報告台灣二十幾年二十四年我知道我知道二十四年我們才改版事實上我們裡面的design我們的設計說實在跟我們台灣目前在經濟社會文化方面都已經是 |
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我知道總裁我知道這個議題我都看過你的報告我現在想問的下面是說這個改版看起來有24年沒啦所以有些需求對不對那我現在的問題是你們在規劃呢是應該是2026年訂稿之後經過設計的他會置版跟試印嘛最快是2028年117年要去編列預算起來說立法院通過順利的話就會開始首批印製嘛對不對對那請問一下齁那這樣子會因為現在 |
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中東的這樣的情勢我們的預算什麼的中油啊台電都大幅增加了支出等等你們還有動漲嘛對不對那這樣子你們會不會延後了這樣一個執行不會好不會那沒關係我再繼續問下去那不會齁這個時候應該只能增加十幾億嘛對不對每年大概要增加十幾億 |
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我們會就是說每張到目前為止我們評估還是會就是說會增加成本1.5塊了解好現在問題重要的是有特別性就是說你們會增加二字頭例如說200 2000個新超比例對不對那這樣的一個情況就是說這個比例增加大概會多少 |
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會不會增加通膨或是說你每當會節省預算因為你印製的成本每次都不用再換叉我想這個兩百兩千會不會增加通膨節省這個不會增加通膨吧 應該不會 |
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應該不會啦你的感受讓民眾感覺尤其現在呢我以每次兩百塊的比例兩百塊的拿出來如果變得比較多每次有兩百塊那變成說呢我的物價可能就說剛好有兩百塊本來從一百塊出頭變成接近到兩百塊啊那當然有這個需求啊不會啦 |
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形式上面就有這樣的一個狀況嗎不會因為這個超卷就是說一百兩百五百一千兩千這都是一個搭配啦不會我們就說我們兩百就增加了兩百的話呢那會不會就是導致通膨不會中央銀行在 |
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我...我... |
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你所謂的硬體增加改版對不對對 會啦但是他一share了以後應該就不會很多啦因為我們如果說就硬體來更新的話大概就是說全部要46億是不是 |
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那你16億元那是由民間來支出嗎那你是不是要做一下補貼民間是民間對啊是民間但是你增加他的預算啊你增加16億的支出你不需要幫他支付一些費用嗎 |
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總裁你必須要苦民所苦就算是銀行或是點鈔機等等的啊我想是這樣子啦就是說他如果說就廠商來講的話廠商去ATM調整的話呢那是廠商賺錢反而是他賺錢啦而不是他負擔啦 |
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沒有我說 你說光學 識別鏡 硬體等等的這個不是增加負擔嗎 你的角度看起來很奇怪這個大概就是說是銀行要負擔銀行要負擔那銀行負擔的話 我總覺得如果說以16億來講的話銀行那麼多 |
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賺的錢很多可以支付起來就對了是不是我總覺得 銀行來講那超商的部分怎麼辦啊 點等的部分齁在這邊你要從民間的角度去看你現在應該是一個 我想齁 我跟委員報告像這種調整齁 像這種調整以前都調整過了啦那以前調整過的話 它在調整的過程都很順利那這些的問題 以前也都面臨過啦 |
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所以在經驗上應該就說它不是一個大問題好 那我們繼續往下看這部分有沒有包括紅色的部分應該是您的個人喜 接下來的這個有十二項然後您的個人喜這部分當然已經知道是保育生態那這邊您自己的喜好呢 |
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你說如果在那個16項12項當中您的喜好這部分您的選項是什麼我個人的是不是我個人選項我剛剛也都在講啊他我們那個我們不會說按照1234這樣來排列啦這些都可以做參考啦 |
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您的選項沒有 我的選項 我總覺得這都很好這都很好我們繼續 終於看到一個重要的問題央行這邊在19號的時候呢他做了一個國際原物料的原油價的這個因為有預測從58.3元變到85塊錢然後CPI變成1.8可是這個1.8其實是因為有了這個還漲的機制嘛 對不對然後才變 本來應該是2.15對不對那現在問的是說CPI |
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超過多少央行才會準備要升息我們一般來講都說2%是一個警戒線不過我總覺得2%它不是C0它不是那個最高點因為就是說2%就中央銀行來看的話2%是中長期的目標 |
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對 可是總裁 你當初我們看到了 你在報告上面就出現了 實際上如果真正加進去沒有這樣的專案緩漲基礎的話就是2.15了嘛 對不對那過去大概2.5的時候大概就會調升了嘛 對不對這個到時候再說啦 現在也不能說我們2.5我們就一定要升啦 |
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那如果其他國家的央行 包括歐洲央行跟聯準會施卡了呢我跟委員報告你看看現在美國的PCE 他的通膨他都2.8還有扣還3.1但是他說當然他的計畫是要下降的 要降息的 |
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他要降息了那個是美國總統他去干預他們的聯準會啊不不不這個是聯準會他自己說的不是美國總統要指示他在這麼做的不是他的2.8跟3.1現在他的通膨率但是呢他還是在講說他可能要到2028年才能夠達到所以呢他的降息他現在在講的降息 |
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楊朗總裁你剛說你可以知道你這個資料是從什麼時間出的因為三月二月底時間沒有啊他最近而已喔好如果是這樣的情況之下你可以看到國際趨勢你們看還不只是美國那跟還歐洲這一部分各國差異有差異我們就繼續再往下看那另外一個部分是看到的是中油現在累計的虧損到去年年底就804億對不對財務有緊繃那您知道他已經有提出3500億的四年增資計畫嗎不是 |
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那請問從523章2022年開始到現在中油增資央行有沒有關注到經濟部或是中油的能源原物料的避險的事情 |
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這個是他的職權而且我跟委員報告他們中友跟他們台電他們自己內部如何來避嫌我覺得中央銀行是 |
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是沒有這個沒有啊總裁你要講得清楚你雖然看起來是看起來是經濟部的職權但是物價是由您在決定它的穩定度通貨膨脹是您來決定它如果有問題的話是不是你要決定不 這委員我跟您報告一下就是說 |
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我們二五戰爭的時候 包括現在中東戰爭它這個都是原物料 都是供給面都是供給面的因素所造成的那供給面的因素所造成的 就要讓供給面的政策去對付它那供給面的政策對付它 這個行政院它就有一個物價穩定的小組中央銀行我剛剛也已經報過過了 |
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我們中央銀行有兩個有兩個職責在這裡面呢第一個我們是涉及到匯率的問題涉及到利率的問題對然後想到匯率的問題我想到那現在美金需求就變得很多的時候不會影響到我們匯率現在匯率其實我們已經今天就已經出現這樣是不是要增加到三二十三三十二塊的這個標準啊 |
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635.798 |
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所以我就說啦匯率我們會一定會裝這是我們的職責這是一片連動的啦我想最後再最後一個問題就是經濟部跟中央的這個能源物料原物料必顯的這部分您有了解嗎我們基本上 |
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639.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
656.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
基本上他們的那個避險的一個措施我們基本上我們也都會有注意他啦不過呢這是他們自己內部所做的一個避險的我知道那是你有知道因為你才做到後面的這個物價穩定的部分嘛包括做過匯率的部分去做一些改變嘛對不對是這個是他們的職權啦那這個是經濟部主要的那我們中央銀行也可以當然委員在講也沒有錯啦我們中央銀行也可以做一個advice啦 |
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666.873 |
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685.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這只是說advice而已是一個對 就是你們互相有商量那我知道中央營養跟部會事實上是要做很好的在溝通是是是 委員這樣說也沒有錯啦OK 好 謝謝謝謝林委員下一位請賴會委員 委員質詢先宣告等到本席質詢完畢之後休息五分鐘謝謝 |