| IVOD_ID |
167997 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167997 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-30T09:09:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-30T09:22:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d0265d86f2f18c67af1de975ddefa0847f5bc5cff238b3be44e2a508d436923215f377d25edfc7d75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳俊宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:09:05 - 09:22:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍年度軍事投資計畫與財政負擔能力之動態平衡評估」，並備質詢。） |
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好,謝謝趙薇,有請顧部長請顧部長部長早是,陳委員早 |
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上禮拜我們針對這個國防特別條例進行了三天密集的審查那各黨的委員都提出了寶貴的意見來作為交流那國防部也盡可能就可公開的部分進行了說明但比較遺憾的是我們全案幾乎是沒有辦法達成共識那法案現在進入一個月的這個協商冷凍期那條例和預算什麼時候能夠通過都還是未知數 |
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但是我們國防建軍是有系統性和完整性的一個規劃即便我們授權國防部先行簽署是向個案的這個發架書那也是代表程序往前進行了一步那今天我想再就其中兩個議題來和部長您相加 |
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討論那也請您說明他其中的一個急迫性首先我們這幾天最關心的還是我們所面臨的這個發家書危機其中最關鍵的這個海馬仕多館火箭系統他的這個首期款支付期限原本是明天3月31就到期了那 |
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美方恐怕也很難給我們延期支付的一個彈性所以首先在我們雙方密切的這個協調之下昨天晚上傳出美方同意讓我們展延的這個消息但現在這個條例和預算案都還沒有通過一旦錯過了這個窗口我們在程序成本甚至在產線排序上可能都還是會受到一定的影響 |
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那部長有關海馬仕首期款支付的一個問題,美方是什麼依據給我們例外處理?那實際上我們可以爭取到多久的時間?跟委員報告,美方這一次是最後同意引用那個 |
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安全協助管理所冊裡面有關緊急生效的條款緊急生效?對,他同意引用緊急生效條款,然後展延至美方跟合約商一約之後我們大概可以爭取到多久的時間? |
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現在要看他跟合約商預約的一個狀況那現在只能夠預估啦,預估應該可以到五月下旬五月下旬,好那目前這個展延支付所期款的這個做法是否能夠確保我們在交裝期間還有購置成本乃至於後續的這個訓練排程上不會受到影響 |
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另外有個重點就是因為美商預約之後的五天之內我們就要付這個日子是比較緊的也就是說美方跟他的合約商預約之後五天內就要付款我們是在推估這個日期,剛剛講的五月下旬所以手機款如果不能夠獲付的話,那當然就會影響到那個 |
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整個我們的排成因為我們相關的這些排成如果能夠納入到我們整個 |
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整個跟因為現在全球都譬如說以海馬斯為例這個全球目前都有在遞送這個需求那我們要納入首批的採購的序列那我們如果能夠落入納入首批的採購序列的話那近期有美方統一向合約商預約的話那就會儘早啟動這個採線的生產那越早預約當然越早交貨好那也請我們國防部 |
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能夠掌握相關的期程後續條例通過之後的預算審查審議可能還需要一段的時間國防部是否能夠確保一旦預算順利通過後能夠加速撥款的程序表示我們對此案的重視 |
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我們要因為要能夠撥付那款項要預算能夠通過預算如果不能夠通過可能在戶款上就會有問題所以我們當然希望 |
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現在是條例案嘛條例案通過以後我們還要送預算案進來那當然就希望預算案能夠儘速通過等預算通過了好那其他三項已經簽署發價書的這個購案包括這個自走炮還有脫勢飛彈標槍飛彈並沒有獲得這個展援 |
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那什麼時候會遇到這個相同的問題我們有沒有這個先預期我們現在已經同意那個授權簽署所以現在簽署的部分沒有什麼太大的問題那接下來當然就是也看跟美方爭取是不是一併能夠在那個跟合約商預約之後再來付首期款這樣子好 |
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那假使我們未來遇到重要的這個軍售案件預算通過之前美方無法同意給我們展延的狀況那我們國防部和行政院是否有嚴理支付款項避免這個預約時間延宕的一個做法我們有一個 |
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幾個可能,如果真的不行,第一個就是說如果特別條例能夠通過那我們就提預算進來,那如果預算案還沒有過但我們是不是能夠獲得一個等於說依照獲得授權在預算法的84條,讓我們能夠先行支付這可能是一個方法,就是說條例通過但預算案還沒有過 |
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讓我們同意讓我們先行支付,這是第一個第二個當然如果要動用到第一、二預備金的話這可能現在有一個問題因為我們一百一十五年的總預算 |
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還沒有互為審查所以依照預算法的54條在總預算沒有審查通過的情況之下沒有辦法動之第一、二預備金所以還是要等預算通過 |
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就這個特別預算的部分有一個方法當然就是條例通過預算案馬上會送進來預算案送進來的時候預算案沒有通過的情況之下是不是可以同意我們動資先行動資一部分這樣子 |
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那這樣就比較不會延誤到所以當然我們還是希望預算案能夠儘早通過那預算案如果沒有通過我們就條例通過以後提出預算案的時候就請求能夠先行動之這樣好 |
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另外我想跟部長您討論在院版條文當中有一款是強化作戰持續量能相關的裝備說明當中包括有寫到防範共軍海空封鎖切斷補給 |
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快速提高各式戰備的存量以及我們興建各式軍備產線等等這也結合到我們先前討論的這個暫時很有可能遭遇到航道封鎖或是陷入長期消耗戰的這種 |
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情境當中那我們必須在國防自主的這個量能上有一定的韌性來應對這部分我想請教部長如果我們沒辦法透過特別預算一次性的來提高我們本土軍備的這個產量和存量那必須改以年度公務預算分年來籌建那實際上會有多少多大的一個這個差距 |
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跟委員報告主要就是說我們這次會把它編入特別預算來一次性的投資建制武器裝備彈藥跟火炸原料還有滑射藥的這個14條生產線來能夠擴大生產的能量主要就是因為我們如果按照我們現在我們上次有報告按照深湖基金來編列那一年只有4億這個要幾十年才能夠 |
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要符合才能夠符合我們現在要建設14條產線的規模那另外一個方法當然就是說我們用這個年度預算來編列那年度預算我們在今天的報告裡面事實上也有提到就是說在我們的持續案裡面我們未來三年的 |
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預估這個需求案大概是五千七百億就是說持續案總共有一百六十三我們大概列舉了幾些重要的案件那如果就這個未來三年面臨這個要付五千七百億那一年平均下來是一千九那我們以一百一十五年為例我們的軍頭的預算是一六 |
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那可以納尾新增案是84那84案裡面我們又有很多新增案是還沒有沒有把它納入特別預算的那就是用年度預算那這些年度預算有 |
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把他納入了這些相關的新增的案項,那個部分就要700,那沒有含,這是沒有含我剛剛提到那些就是我們要一次來籌措特別預算來建的各式的生產線,14條的生產線的話那這樣子勢必會排擠到這個生產線的建制的年這個 |
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這個我們的急迫性那如果又把它擺入年度預算,那除非我們的國防預算要大幅的增加,那這個大幅增加今年的比例已經到達百分之十八了,一百一十五年度嘛 |
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雖然還沒有審議,但是已經到18%所以在年度預算這樣子,我們一方面又有新增的軍事投資那如果再把整個彈藥的14條市場線擺入的話,我想這空間會幾乎是沒有 |
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好,那謝謝部長您的這個回答,那我們這個國防安全不應該是有這個所謂的冷凍期尤其行政院在去年11月底就提出這個特別條例,那美方也在去年12月中就知會他們的國會,我們在3月初才付為審查 |
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那即便已經先授權簽署四項的這個發價書程序上仍然就和時間在賽跑那這部分我也請我們國防部在協商期間持續和在野黨和社會大眾來做溝通希望能夠讓這個 |
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特別條例還有預算審查的程序 競速的推進也確保後續內容能夠通過的完整性讓我們強化這個防任性的相關規劃都能夠包含在內以建構我們可以嚇阻共軍所需的相關戰力 |
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這邊也特別因為剛剛委員問到這一個彈藥的部分因為台美雙方不但在討論這些事情的時候我們一直要落實這個實戰化的訓練我們實戰化訓練結果實彈射擊的訓練的品質跟數量不斷增加那我們也要提高我們的戰備存量因為這美方我想我們台美雙方都一再認為我們可能會面臨一些 |
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我們道義國家面臨一些封鎖的環境之下我們一定要不斷提升我們的戰備的一個存量那另外就是暫時會有高消耗所以這些都是希望能夠把它編入我想這個都是大家根據作戰的需求做一個整體的規劃就這個部分也要請 |
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所有委員、部分朝野人都能夠予以支持好,謝謝 |