| IVOD_ID |
167971 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167971 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T13:09:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T13:20:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4e9bb34d4d922e419ac30e9bbc489b48f6f5ed79e3d4a2dc6bc85f38e9dc6d1ac45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:09:52 - 13:20:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部長及勞動部部長就「在職照顧者支持體系是否完善、長照3.0服務輸送與長照安排假評估」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月25日及26日二天一次會】） |
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有請兩位一個是我們的衛福部的呂次長那後面那一半部呢是請勞動部的洪部長但是部長來的時候呢請那個王司長扶植退休師跟那個保險師的陳副司長陪同先請我們次長先請呂次 |
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我可以趕啊 你不用趕啊女士啊 會不會覺得只有20分鐘午餐你吃過了沒沒有 20分鐘午餐不是很健康啦可見我們胃環的政務官不但腦袋靈光 身體也要健康 祝福你好 幹嘛問這個問題 健康有關的來 下一題 |
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廚師不碰錢可以降低餐飲的污染風險嗎人家第一個反應是廚師不碰錢餐廳會賠錢不是是因為調理人員不可以同時接觸金錢是不是這樣子去年鬧的軒然大波衛務部有沒有接到電話詢問啊為什麼最高罰兩億欸我養豬仔到最電燈這樣才罰兩億我全部給你好不好但是有沒有影響 |
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鈔票 英幣有多張 有什麼葛蘭市 楊氏郡 葡萄球郡 聯合郡 對不對雖然我們兩個都不是專業的 但我想你懂啦所以後來我們衛福部有在推這個嗎但是我直接問你啦 在國外旅遊醫院有沒有用過這種叫做自助獸營點餐機你可以用行動支付 也可以用現鈔 也可以點餐這樣會不會就可以滿足衛福部的要求 |
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可以嘛 但是我們期待所有的小吃店都裝這個欸 乾脆不會糾結 只靠宣傳推廣夠不夠 |
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不夠好來我們看那衛部會怎麼做往下看衛部呢我們的地方的衛生局呢重點稽查的對象包括有重大食安隱憂的啦熱門的啦特定場所的我們有九種樣態會怎樣會要優先稽查高強度去稽查對不對這合理嗎從風險管控的方式這些我們多去查反過來說來下一個 |
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那如果你又符合GHP的就是你有優的或良的那麼我們地方衛生單位就是減少稽查的密度而且你貼上這個會增加顧客的好感對不對衛務部就這個手段而已嘛那我想請教一下如果這樣的話未來如果採用那樣的機器自助收銀那它也沒有高風險它也沒有無接觸的結帳有沒有幫助它可以取得這兩種標章 |
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其實照道理應該要應該要啦不是應該要你們要求要沒錯沒錯可是單靠這個業者有動機嗎沒有沒有餐飲業者來我告訴你餐飲業者他們什麼人過去我曾經調查過我們國內50萬到60萬大概這個為免用統一發票的小店家 |
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將近八成是什麼是餐飲業在疫情期間經濟部針對他們一個月營業衝擊補助4萬塊他們喜不喜歡好開心喔另外呢我們的賴總統在2018年當行政院長的時候他也去動了一個政策就是用行動支付用行動支付那你就可以怎樣得到1%營業稅不然要5%還補助你手續費還補助你什麼設備經濟部有這樣的預算跟宣導衛部有嗎 |
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沒有所以怎麼辦這是一個打群架的時代如果像你們剛剛要推動這些餐飲業者改用這種事情的話來下一頁小規模營業人行動支付租稅優惠2.0財政部也出手了 |
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為什麼因為賴總統那個到2018年到2025年就落日了2026年起這些裝了行動支付的店家可以延續用2.0他裝了一個多媒體資訊服務機就是我說的自助收銀點餐機就會繼續享有什麼1%的優惠那有這樣的好康你覺得經濟部會不會宣導 |
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會宣導 會宣導 沒錯 衛福部要不要一起去宣導對不對 你要告訴餐飲業者 你做這個 你就可以優惠良 是不是這樣那你要不要承諾跟經濟部跟財政部一起來幫助我們這個將近小店家 將近八成是做餐飲的解決了他們 是不是就達到了衛福部的要求 |
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所以你對嗯之外可不可以說你願意加入OK 鮑偉那個我覺得非常感謝你這個這個題目真的非常smart的一個design我要回去跟部長報告我覺得這是一個就是一件理故啦是希望你跟部長報告之後呢部長指派你或林次長讓我來邀請財政部的次長和經濟部的次長一起三個部會共同來通好不好好接下來我們要請那個勞動部的洪部長謝謝看下一頁來待會呢我要請教洪部長的我就先開始講了你慢慢走 |
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那個現在我們勞退自體有超過134個員工3萬的員工參加勞退自體可是自體率目前不到18%部長你覺得這滿意嗎 |
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我們都希望再盡量再拉高因為勞退自體真的對勞工是有幫助的是的我覺得勞動部這樣做是對的但是你們分析哪些人會參加勞退自體哪些人不參加勞退自體我看一下會參加的大部分都是收入月薪比較高的平均大概六萬六那而且他們大部分年資生有時候退休他們期待的是什麼穩定的投報率所以要保證兩趴所以他們是參加勞退自體有兩趴嘛 |
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但是年輕的人不見得不參加字題他不參加字題什麼原因我們看到現在很多年輕人會幹嘛領古族對不對買基金嘛有沒有遇到這樣年輕人他賺的沒有很多但是他為什麼不加追勞退字題他自己去選投資標的呢 |
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呃 他其實有些 我們的確看到比較多 他是薪資比較低的人但是他想要參加 他不參加勞退字體 他自己去買肌膚通 為什麼他喜歡找那種投報率高的 是不是這樣子所以同樣一個勞退字體不同的心情 高收入的 高月薪的比較資深的 他希望穩健現況但是新加入職場的 欸 他雖然稅金可能不會很高 他希望找那種比較有 |
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積極性的有投報率高的但是目前勞退好像不能提供這樣的一個需求對不對那未來下一個過去我們有考慮過勞退自選嗎自提自選嗎因為其實勞保是有勞退的投資是有保證收益對2%對所以我們目前他如果自選的話就不保證我們目前是沒有規劃自選是但是為什麼會對自選有保留呢因為他不保證投報嘛對那如果說要吸引那些 |
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不保證投報的那這些參加穩定投報的自提的人他反對什麼你們要參加自選的你們就自己投報啊我是我沒有自選我有固定投報啊他們為什麼也不太高興有人可以有自選可以選有沒有想過 |
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其實主要我覺得是在這個保證的投報率的部分其實他擔心整個勞退的水位下降現在勞工都來要參加自提沒有自選通通在自提自提的水庫會一直有水位 |
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如果未來新進的年輕勞工他不參加自提他要自選他跑到另外一個小水庫去了原來的大水庫水位就怎樣會下降是不是這樣子所以他們希望說不要有個自選的選項分開了我們勞退的水庫對不起主席還有一點點時間好那往下看那有沒有可能我們去吸收這些有可能參加自提的人來 |
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未完委員會我曾經在去年底問過就你們的答案是什麼涉及勞工退休資金的權益變革勞僱商的權益結構廣泛收集意見收集完了沒 |
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我已經收集了根本說沒有因為現在的確會有一些大概純現在講的文講是純舊制的對不是不是我現在講的是說為什麼這些參加自提的人他不希望有個自提的選項因為自選的選項會跑到外面去嘛所以他原來的自提的人的水庫會所謂下降嘛所以我要告訴你是說我們怎麼樣讓現在選擇自提的文件型他的水繼續加入好不好部長再給我30秒時間我很快的講完齁 |
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勞退的救治啊如果你是維持救治的你有一個要是公司倒閉會不會資錢你怕這個風險你就選擇薪資是當年但是有些人選擇留在他的救治他30歲30年滿基數之後他就沒有辦法繼續累積他的退休保障這是目前有一些幸運兒 |
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但是大部分人都選擇心智選擇心智的人他在自提往下看但是自提呢他就是這樣你就是固定的投報率保障2%但是如果這些滿技術的人在僱主同意的情況提前結清他把這些帶槍投靠把這些錢來加入了自選的方案或者說自提不是自選自提的方案是不是讓我們現在自提的水庫水位增加現在自提的人他希望怎樣固定投報率嘛 |
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549.005 |
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563.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這些滿基數的人心態也是比較保守他希望有保證投保率你們歡迎不歡迎一句話你們歡迎不歡迎如果這些人來加入我們因為的確現在有一些工會尤其我們研議對於這些目前還純就職的勞工是不是有機會 |
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564.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
582.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
可以有這個得到這個我按照你講話的節奏因為自體的績效這幾年就是勞退薪資的績效這幾年很好所以希望有沒有機會可以有多一點的也可以幫忙他投資的可能性那就拜託你們好不好這個是我們會來研議我想我們會來研議那最後的結論呢請問務部 |
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584.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
602.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
不是 這首首是勞動部啦為參加勞退自提者是否有自主投資你們去調查一下如果他有請問他的投資標的種類跟他期望的投報率為你們的勞退自提或者是自選找到你們潛在的對象好不好可不可以請勞動部 |
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604.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
615.846 |
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做出這樣一個生活報告我們可以做一點study這個部分一個月內好不好還是要三個月我主動給你三個月啦三個月好了好不好謝謝謝謝主席的寬容也謝謝部長祝你有良好的腸胃健康很難耶因為胃腸真的好來我們謝謝我們的宗嘉賓委員發言 |