| IVOD_ID |
167963 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167963 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T11:33:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T11:39:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4ec7eda7cf4a663b931db4e8dc12ee0255144d5468a2b72bfd2d8f15caca8ddabc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:33:48 - 11:39:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好主席謝謝麻煩請我們代理主委 |
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好 代理主委早 那個我想可能有一些委員都很關心我想外送平台上個禮拜發生一個大事就是說這個Glob這一個公司他預計要收購這個Full Panda那過去也才看到說Uber Eats說要用300億 |
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台幣左右來收購Fubenda可是到最後是沒有讓它成功嘛那現在Grab這個公司它要收購它是以200億第一金額少了100億不過更重要的是其實我們站在的是消費者餐廳以及整個市場機制健全的角度來看就是說還是要避免單一群體壟斷的一個行為也因此早上我有看到說這個代理主委有時候回答是說因為現在Uber雖然是Grab的主要的股東 |
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但是他的占比你說是只有13%左右目前就是根據財報上的資料13.5%但是他是第二大股東這裡我們公平會有注意到吧他是大股東他是第二大股東第一大股東是SoftBank如果說以現在公開的財報2024年當然2025年最近資料我可能還沒有看到但2024年最大股東他的占比多少清楚嗎 |
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其實也只有13%換言之其實Uber它在Glob的股權來講它其實還是有所謂的應該看起來還是有所謂實質影響力因為第三大第四大是所謂的投資銀行或是說相關的像Morgan Stanley等等的部分所以本期今天點出來的問題點還是在於說後續我們公平會應該會有一個機制去看是不是會有單一聯合壟斷的狀況 |
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所以我們會去看這個13.5所呈現出來的在企業經營上的影響程度到底有多高不會說只是用 |
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單一的 因為我現在看到新聞這樣的畫面我會很擔心說是不是已經公平會有先入為主這一個案件了沒有 我只是要陳述一個事實13.5但是這個東西未來在審查過程當中是會被納入非常緊張所以未來接下來的這個時程會怎麼走 |
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一直還沒送件如果說送件的話送件進來以後我們看看那個資料補得齊不齊不齊我們會叫他再補是補完以後正式啟動以起算六個月內我印象中是六個月內應該前後假設要延長的話大概三個月九十天 |
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90天內會來做一個審核那但是在這過程裡面本席也提醒喔因為過去當然本席以往的態度為什麼我們會在未完委員會要推動外送專法也正式的讓它上線就是因為我們認為是過去外送的這個行業裡面當然先進科技也產生但是一強獨大三個比較弱外送員比較弱消費者比較弱以及餐廳比較弱這也是事實 |
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而現在看到這種跨國企業他可以一次拿出幾百億的台幣就可以來進軍市場代表是說他其實在國際的這個資金來講他是充裕的而我們消費者外送員以及餐廳的權益就要好好的被保障所以這也是我們希望是能夠做到四方多贏的一個 |
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成果那過去GLUB在東南亞也有一些比較不好的例子是被當地政府到最後是開罰的譬如說他用演算法來抵制低佣金的餐廳在比較熱門尖峰時段的時候他用演算法就把一些 |
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低佣金的餐廳給遮蔽或是說排到比較後面讓消費者他可能比較沒有辦法選到這是確實已經在新加坡還是馬來西亞他們就有開罰的一個經驗所以這樣這些部分是不是公平會未來在做審議的時候也應該要用附加條件附加行為的方式來要求過去曾經在其他國家犯的過錯或是被開罰的行為不能在台灣發生 |
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而剛剛委員點出一個重點就是過去他曾經做過的違法歷史我們是會考慮的那個考慮如果說這個違法行為非常明顯然後影響市場競爭非常嚴重在台灣那就像如同委員所講的我們不排除用負負擔當然負負擔前提是這個案子過了 |
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但是我們現在沒有預設任何結論假設如果要通過這些過去的一些違法的事蹟我們又不排除可以在付負擔裡面去要求他必須要遵守好 謝謝戴主委有一個比較正向的回應那我只想講就是說現在因為葉子還沒有送進我們沒有任何預設立場但本期的方向是我們歡迎所有良好的企業都來投資台灣這一塊市場因為台灣這個市場大家競爭能夠讓消費者有更好的選擇可是不要有這種 |
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過度單一壟斷的行為發生並且更重要的是過去有實力的真的已經有發生被開罰的絕對不應該在台灣來出現所以這一個案子我想去年最大案子應該就是Uber Eats跟Fupenda的一個併購但後面沒有成那今年感覺最重大的案子之一會是這一個案件那我也希望公民會以最嚴謹專業的態度來審視可以嗎我們會非常嚴謹的來審查這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
333.33 |
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333.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
謝謝戴主委 我們會繼續追 謝謝好 謝謝 |