| IVOD_ID |
167954 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167954 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T10:43:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T10:53:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:41 - 10:53:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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陳副主任委員志民 |
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好 謝謝主席我想要請公平會的代理主委陳主委 |
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陳主委早大家都問到了就是Grab的問題因為Uber有13.05還是13.05的股權當然從股權的角度來看它也沒有到整個完全擁有 |
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那但是為什麼大家在討論他現在只有宣布而已我相信也還沒送你們公平會吧還沒還沒送嘛對不對可是未來會不會他未來如果真的就是說要實施併購的時候會不會送公平會需不需要根據什麼法律目前的情況看起來是一定要送 |
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因為市佔率市佔率 對他們兩家加起來市佔率多少沒有 依照我們公平法的規定目前市佔率只要超過一定門檻就一定要進回來審查那目前這個foodpandafoodpanda已經超過了foodpanda超過了對對對 |
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他已經超過四分之一了市佔率他已經超過四分之一了所以這個案子如果他們真的要進行購併的話一定要送到公平會來所以未來他一定要送公平會來審理那你公平會怎麼審查呢怎麼樣子來審查哪一條法律來確保我們消費者不會喪失選擇權嗎因為有可能如果Uber |
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你也知道嘛過去曾經Uber也想要併購Foodpanda結果沒有成功嘛那時候大家擔心的就是消費者喪失選擇權以及有可能導致的就是說聯合的這個外送的費用的問題那這要怎麼處理 |
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這個我想跟我們上一個案子的整個的分析的架構是一樣的那剛剛委員提到的問題其實都是我們會審查的我們會去觀察結合以後那個市場結構的改變會不會導致這個結合後的事業有能力去漲價把價格抬得很高 |
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那當然結合以後會不會讓兩大平台更有機會去進行聯合所以剛剛委員關切的議題其實都是我們審查時候會去注意的對我是說因為畢竟過去Uber就已經要併購Fupenda嘛那再加上現在Grab但是你也要必須要考慮喔因為現在他不是用Uber去併購Fupenda嘛他是用Grab那Grab他的 |
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呃行為模式以及他的這個機制是不一樣的喔是不是他我看到他是他們呃的定價我在在新加坡的時候有用過Grab他們的定價會即便是相同的距離 |
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也有可能是不同的價格他們根據的是GeoHash這樣子的系統然後把每一個地區變成一個小區塊然後按照小區塊的供需的這個模式來決定它定價的方式謝謝委員提醒像這種比較特殊的定價模式我們在分析過程裡面會納入考慮特別是在於 |
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結合以後這個事業他有沒有能力任意去漲價這個地方定價的模式還有過去所在他也許他也許不是在就是說抽成上面或者是什麼可是他運用的反而是一個APP |
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他計算的方式以及他們演算時候所產生的這樣子的一個計價方式那你怎麼樣子去進行你們現在公平會裡面有沒有相關的專業可以去進行這個審查以及未來公平會怎麼樣子在審查的過程當中藉由會不會需要勞動部 |
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或者是其他部會共同來聯合審查然後來確保我們外送就是外送員的相關的權利呢這個案子因為備受矚目所以我們一定會廣徵各方面的意見包含主管機關還包含業者包含消費者團體等等我們會綜合考慮那有一些技術面的東西我們可能更由不排除我們可能必須要專家學者的協調 |
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這已經是更技術面了它不是從就是說契約上面來講這個外送員的就是說聯合的這個問題那它用不同的演算的方式會不會造成就是說變相的我們消費者就喪失了選擇權然後呢變相的我們的外送費用就增加了以及我們的外送員的勞動權益就受損了 |
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是不是等案子送進來以後我們在分析過程當中委員所關切這個問題我們都會把它納入考慮當然剛剛如同我剛剛所講的有些技術性的問題我們是必須要依賴外面的協助所以像學者專家這個我們都會爭議所以你們要技術人員的協助嘛對不對有些比較技術性像數位演算法這些東西也許可能要一些專家學者來提供一些意見 |
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好 還有另外一個問題就是如果Fupenda就是由我們所有消費者的這些消費行為跟金流的數據那未來GREP它不是在台灣而它是在一個就是境外在台灣是沒有實體總部的這樣子的一個情況下那我們怎麼樣進行 |
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如果委員關切的是資料的隱私保護的部分這部分可能不是屬於公平會去處理的問題不是你們處理但是未來審查的時候會不會有介入共同來討論這一點我們會從競爭的觀點去看看他對隱私權保護的夠或不夠到底對市場競爭會產生什麼影響 |
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所以你們不會直接去看說你接了以後你是不是對隱私權的保護就會比較鬆散所以這個東西可能還需要數位部或者是其他的相關部會共同來審查嘛 是不是 |
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如果未來我們所有人在福平島上面的數據而外流到因為那有可能是那個什麼GDP定位或者什麼什麼等等的相關的問題那如果未來外流到一個不是在台灣的實體公司的時候那怎麼樣處理 |
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這個就剛剛跟委員報告隱私的保護我們大概就不會介入因為有其他的主管機關在處理那數據的部分其實跟競爭有可能會產生一些關係數據的使用數據的濫用來排斥競爭這個其實競爭法是可以來介入當然如果有這樣的事證的話我們也會介入去處理所以你們會就數據數據的濫用導致市場競爭的減損或限制我們如果有這種事證的話我們會介入調查好那 |
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現在大家討論的就是行政院他宣誓下游不屯那你們說你們只是就聯合什麼樣子叫聯合因為一般的民眾認為當 |
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這個塑膠袋的情況下那什麼樣子叫聯合什麼樣子只是暫時的囤積在這我相信你們參加了整個物價的這個穩定的你們都是在那個物價穩定平台裡面嘛是那怎麼樣子處理這一塊呢基本上那個平台是分工的啦我知道我們的角色主要就是聯合那當然什麼叫聯合聯合就是同業之間有某一種形式的合意集體的 譬如說集體拒絕出貨這個其實也是聯合行為 |
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你覺得現在有沒有這樣的情況這個需要市政的調查那調查市政需要一點時間那需要多久因為有時候市政調查這個情況就是說消費者已經面臨到這個情況有點緩不濟急但是目前我們已經跟經濟部在密切的配合如果看他們盤查的結果那同時我們也在自己有進行市場的了解那如果初步的市政顯示似乎有聯合的情況出現的話我們就會立案調查所以現在你們還需要多少時間 |
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因為這個事件剛我們現在目前正在了解當中你們需要多少時間 |
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因為我們現在是調查資料中 還要等業者提供資料過來所以在目前很難給委員一個確確的對啊 因為人家美國說很快就那個中東衝突就結束了嘛你總不能在中東衝突結束前都沒有一個結果還是你們估計你們有內部的資料顯示中東的衝突是超過四到六個禮拜六到八個禮拜 是不是六個月以上 |
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我會盡快啦所以你們可以慢慢做不會慢慢做啦我們一定積極地去調查那什麼時候給給大家一個交代盡量在四個月內可以嘛四個月內做個調查應該要早一點吧四個月內說不定戰爭都結束了因為有時候跟業者要資料他回來我們要研析而且最重要的是說我們要經過委員會還要有委員會的討論 |
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你至少要三個月吧好不好三個月這沒有很勉強啦三個月沒有很勉強啦我們盡量朝三個月來做了好 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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謝謝主席，我想要請公平會陳代理主委。 |
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主席 |
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請公平會代理主委。 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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委員早。 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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陳主委早。 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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大家都問到了Grab的問題，因為Uber有十三點多的股權……13.5%。 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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從股權的角度來看，它也沒有到整個完全擁有，但是為什麼大家在討論？ |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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現在只有宣布而已，我相信也還沒送你們公平會吧？還沒。 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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還沒送，對不對？ |
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1 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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可是未來如果真的要實施併購的時候，會不會送公平會？ |
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1 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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需不需要？ |
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1 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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根據什麼法律？ |
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1 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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以目前的情況看起來是一定要送。 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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因為市占率。 |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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1 |
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對，市占率。 |
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謝委員衣鳯 |
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他們兩家加起來，市占率多少？ |
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陳代理主任委員志民 |
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依照我們公平法的規定，目前市占率只要超過一定門檻，就一定要進會來審查，目前foodpanda已經超過了。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:00.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:01.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
foodpanda超過了？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:01.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:03.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
對，它已經超過四分之一的市占率。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:03.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:04.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
它已經超過四分之一了？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:06.245000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:10.106000+08:00 |
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對，所以以這個案子來講，如果他們真的要進行購併的話，一定要送到公平會來。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:10.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:13.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
所以未來一定要送公平會來審理。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:13.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:15.607000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
你們公平會怎麼審查呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:18.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:24.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
依哪一條法律來確保我們消費者不會喪失選擇權？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:27.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-26T10:45:45.908000+08:00 |
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你也知道，過去Uber曾經也想要併購foodpanda，結果沒有成功，那時候大家擔心的就是消費者喪失選擇權，以及有可能導致聯合外送費用的問題，這要怎麼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-26T10:45:47.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-26T10:46:04.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我想這個跟我們上一個案子整個分析的架構是一樣的，剛剛委員提到的問題其實都是我們會審查的，我們會去觀察結合以後市場結構的改變會不會導致結合後的事業有能力去漲價、把價格抬得很高，當然，結合以後會不會讓兩大平臺更有機會去進行聯合？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.981 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-26T10:46:05.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-26T10:46:08.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
所以剛剛委員關切的議題其實都是我們審查時候會去注意的。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-26T10:46:08.567000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-26T10:46:32.264000+08:00 |
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對，畢竟過去Uber就已經要併購foodpanda，再加上現在Grab……但是你也必須要考慮，因為現在不是用Uber去併購foodpanda，而是用Grab，Grab的行為模式及機制是不一樣的，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-26T10:46:33.445000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-26T10:46:57.924000+08:00 |
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我在新加坡的時候也用過Grab，我看到他們的定價，即便是相同的距離，也有可能是不同的價格，他們根據的是Geohash的系統，把每一個地區變成一個小區塊，再按照小區塊的供需模式來決定定價的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-26T10:46:58.464000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-26T10:47:09.869000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員提醒，像這種比較特殊的定價模式，我們在分析過程裡面會納入考慮，特別是結合以後的事業有沒有能力任意去漲價，包括定價的模式、還有過去所掌握的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-26T10:47:11.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-26T10:47:28.819000+08:00 |
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也許不是在抽成上面或者是什麼，它運用的反而是一個app計算的方式，以及演算時所產生的計價方式，你們怎麼樣去進行？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-26T10:47:30.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-26T10:47:36.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
現在公平會裡面有沒有相關的專業可以去進行這個審查？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-26T10:47:37.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-26T10:47:56.939000+08:00 |
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未來公平會在審查的過程當中，會不會需要勞動部或者其他部會共同聯合審查，確保外送員的相關權利呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-26T10:47:57.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:05.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
這個案子因為備受矚目，所以我們一定會廣徵各方面的意見，包含主管機關、業者、消費者團體等等，我們會綜合考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:05.886000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:10.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
有一些技術面的東西，不排除我們可能必須要專家學者的協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:11.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:11.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
對，這已經是更技術面的…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:11.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:12.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
所以這是技術面的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:12.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:40.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
這不是從契約上面來講外送員、聯合的問題，而是它用不同的演算的方式，會不會造成消費者喪失了選擇權，變相地外送費用增加了，以及外送員的勞動權益就受損了，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:41.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:46.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
等案子送進來以後，我們在分析過程當中，對於委員所關切的問題，我們都會納入考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:47.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:53.708000+08:00 |
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如同我剛剛所講的，有些技術性的問題，我們必須要依賴外面的協助，所以像學者專家，我們都會徵詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:54.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-26T10:48:56.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你們要技術人員的協助，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-26T10:48:56.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:01.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
有些比較技術性的，像數位演算法這些東西，也許可能要專家學者提供意見。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:02.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:25.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
還有另外一個問題，就是如果foodpanda有我們所有消費者消費行為跟金流的數據，未來Grab不是在臺灣，而是在境外，Grab在臺灣沒有實體總部的情況下，我們怎麼樣進行？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.835 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:26.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:29.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
如果委員關切的是資料的隱私保護部分……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:30.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:34.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
這個部分可能不是屬於公平會去處理的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:34.286000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:40.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
不是你們處理，但是未來審查的時候，會不會有介入、共同來討論這一點？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:40.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:44.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們會從競爭的觀點去看看它對隱私權保護得夠或不夠、到底對市場競爭會產生什麼影響。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:45.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:47.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
所以你們不會就這個部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:47.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:50.381000+08:00 |
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我們不會直接去看他們結合以後是不是對隱私權的保護就會比較鬆散。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:50.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:51.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
所以這個東西你們不會看？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:51.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-26T10:49:52.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這個我們不會去介入。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-26T10:49:50.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:01.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以這個東西可能還需要數位部或者是其他的相關部會共同來審查，是不是？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:02.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:21.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
如果未來我們所有人在foodpanda上面的數據外流到……因為那有可能是GPS定位或者什麼等等相關的問題，如果未來外流到一個不是在臺灣的實體公司的時候，那要怎麼樣處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.861 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:22.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:27.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
這就是剛剛跟委員報告的，隱私的保護我們大概就不會介入，因為有其他主管機關在處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:28.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:39.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
數據的部分，其實它跟競爭有可能會產生一些關係，數據的使用、數據的濫用來排除競爭，這個其實競爭法是可以介入，當然如果有這樣的事證，我們也會介入處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:39.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:40.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以你們會就數據是有…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:40.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:41.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
數據的濫用所導致市場競爭的減損或限制…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:41.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:42.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這個你們會處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:41.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:42.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
如果有這種事證的話，我們會介入調查。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-26T10:50:49.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-26T10:50:58.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
現在大家討論的就是行政院宣示下游不囤，你們說你們只是就聯合行為，什麼叫聯合？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:01.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:08.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
因為當一般民眾認為當前塑膠袋短缺的情況下，什麼叫聯合？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:09.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:12.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
什麼情況是暫時囤積？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:12.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:19.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我相信你們有參加物價穩定小組，你們都是在物價穩定平台裡面嘛？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:20.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:22.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
怎麼處理這一塊呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:22.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:23.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
基本上，平台是分工的。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:24.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:24.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:24.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:26.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我們的角色主要就是聯合……當然什麼叫聯合？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:27.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:33.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
聯合就是同業之間有某一種形式的合意，譬如集體拒絕出貨，這個其實也是聯合行為，集體提高價格…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:35.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:37.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
你覺得現在有沒有這樣的情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:37.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:40.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
這個需要事證調查，而調查事證需要一點時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:40.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:41.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
那需要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:41.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:42.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
因為有時候事證調查跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:42.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:45.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
目前已經跟…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:45.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:47.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
消費者已經面臨到這個情況，有點緩不濟急。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:47.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-26T10:51:48.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-26T10:51:47.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:00.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
但是目前我們已經跟經濟部密切配合，看他們盤查的結果，同時我們自己也有進行市場的了解，如果有初步的事證顯示似乎有聯合的情況出現，我們就會立案調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:01.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:03.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
所以現在你們還需要多少時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:04.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:10.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
因為這個事件媒體剛……我不曉得……我們目前正在了解當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:11.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:11.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
你們需要多少時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:14.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:20.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
因為我們現在是調查資料中，還要等業者提供資料過來，所以目前很難給委員一個確切的……對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:20.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:37.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
因為美國說中東衝突很快就結束了，你總不能在中東衝突結束前都沒有一個結果，還是你們有內部資料顯示中東衝突是超過4到6個禮拜？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:37.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:39.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
這個可能沒有辦法…… |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:39.226000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:39.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
6到8個禮拜？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:39.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:40.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
這個我們沒辦法預期。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:40.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:41.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
是不是6個月以上？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:41.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:42.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
你們可以慢慢做？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:41.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:42.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
我們會儘快啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:42.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:43.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
因為這個還要…… |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:42.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:42.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
所以你們可以慢慢做？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:42.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:43.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
不會慢慢做，我們一定積極的去調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:43.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
什麼時候給大家一個交代？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
儘量在4個月內可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
4個月內？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
做個調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:44.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
應該要早一點吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:45.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:45.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
4個月內說不定戰爭都結束了。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-26T10:52:46.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-26T10:52:48.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
因為有時候跟業者要資料，資料回來我們要研析，而且最重要的是我們還要經過委員會的討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-26T10:53:11.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-26T10:53:13.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
至少3個月好不好？3個月…… |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-26T10:53:16.013000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-26T10:53:17.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
這個沒有很勉強啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
謝委員衣鳯 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-26T10:53:17.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-26T10:53:20.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
3個月沒有很勉強啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
陳代理主任委員志民 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-26T10:53:21.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-26T10:53:22.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
可是因為資料可能……好，我們儘量朝3個月來做。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.474 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-26T10:53:23.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-26T10:53:25.935143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
謝謝謝衣鳯委員，3個月內。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
主席（謝委員衣鳯代） |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-26T10:53:26.235143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-26T10:53:29.663714+08:00 |
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現在請洪毓祥委員進行詢答。 |
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