| IVOD_ID |
167941 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167941 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-26T09:09:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-26T09:20:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/62ea4221ea272c4e81bb1bb5cf976c761db4e8dc12ee0255ec4551788d53590ed104b08215f3295d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:09:45 - 09:20:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主委我想請教一下你可以想像現在塑膠袋缺貨嗎 |
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我從沒一樣大家都知道有看到你有看到這個新聞嗎大家講說這個因為中東情勢的影響所以很多的原物料短缺或者是很多的原物料這個價格上漲石化的原物料價格也上漲那昨天其實這個蔡易餘委員陳書越委員等他們其實有召開一個記者會那也曾經也在這個委員會的場合問過了經濟部 |
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現在市面上塑膠袋跟便當盒等這種一次性的包材在末端是買不到的那甚或至是在農業上面很多農民的這個農作物是需要套袋我們的這個塑膠袋也是買不到的 |
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經濟部去查了一下他說其實原物料並沒有短缺但是中盤的經銷商延遲出貨操作價格已經有這樣的情形出現那主委您說你有看到這個新聞請問一下看到新聞之後您的後續動作是什麼就公評會來講會不會主動出擊主動去調查來 |
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跟委員報告一下就是這些新聞出來以後我們也看到其實經濟部已經開始進行全面性的市場盤查那當然本會在知道這個消息以後業務單位也去進了一個初步的了解那針對這個塑膠袋這個產業不同的品質塑膠袋價格等等那目前當然公平會的立場我們對這個物價的波動主要是以聯合行為為主就是同一時間是不是有聯合漲價這個情形那我們有悶切在觀察那業務單位已經持續在進行市場的了解 |
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當然我們會配合經濟部那邊調查結果如果有聯合烘台現在還沒有到聯合漲價的狀況現在大概是聯合延遲出貨囤貨然後造成市場上面對於塑膠袋的需求短缺 |
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恐慌然後慢慢的他就會哄抬價格這個價格就會漲上去了所以他這個是有節奏性的當然他不會一次到聯合漲價但是如果公平會要等到他聯合漲價的時候才來做稽查才來做調查的話那我覺得那個動作都太慢了所以我們一直不斷的每一次在這裡都會請公平會應該要更積極主動一點就你已經發現這個問題 |
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他在源頭已經出來了當然經濟部已經注意到了所以是不是公平會也應該更積極主動一點到底是不是囤貨壟斷造成延遲性出貨然後慢慢的要去烘台價格你如果能夠在前段的時候就先嚇指他的話那你就不會有後面烘台價格我剛剛跟委員報告就是說業務單位已經會繼續觀察當然剛剛委員談到聯合囤積這也是聯合行為 |
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所以只要有事證的話我們會介入調查公民衛是不是能夠就主動的去調查是 我們會主動調查來 第二個我想請教一下我想這個主委您也應該會常常關心這個時事的進展這個外送平台的併購案最近有一個很大的新聞就是這個Grab去收購Foodpanda |
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那其实在您的报告里头也提到了我们去年在讨论Uber Eats要去并购Fu Panda的这个案子其实引起了台湾的社会大众很大的关心这个会不会造成如果这两家结合Uber Eats跟Fu Panda结合之后其实在台湾的市占率是高达九成以上那当然公平会已经禁止他们了但是最近这个GrabGrab在台湾还没有任何的业务执行但它在东南亚其实是一个Super App |
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它包含食衣住行等等其實它在東南亞的影響力是非常的大那Grab去併購去收購Fu Panda我們擔心的是說它是不是有一個繞道的行為因為這個Grab的它其實 |
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Uber是Grab的重要股東Uber佔了這個股份大概是13%我想這個你們應該有密切掌握那Uber的執行長其實也是Grab的董事所以就這樣的一個結合情形結合案到底公平會是怎麼看 |
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因為這個案子目前還沒有送件所以我想等案子進來以後我們還是會依照過去在審Uber Eats跟那個Foodpanda的案子那個分析架構來進行分析當然這個案子跟前面那個案子有點不太一樣因為前面的案子是結尾以後市佔率會高達九成那這個案子基本上是一個企業來頂Foodpanda的地位那不過剛剛委員提到這個問題 繞道的問題 |
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股權持有的問題這也是我們在分析當中會特別注意不過這個地方先跟委員說明一下就是說雖然UberEats持有Grab的13.5%但是據我們進一步的了解從它的財報去看其實那個股權結構是有不同的類型有A股B股所以實際上它的控制的權力可能沒有達到13%不過我們還是會繼續的去注意就是說這個13%這件事實會不會導致他們在結合以後有進行市場行為濫用的一個可能性 |
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這些都是我們在分析當中會特別去注意所以你們現在也已經開始在收集資料我想對於公平匯來講我們大概也不是說就形式上比如說他不是用Uber Eats的名字來併購Foodpanda他換了一個名字叫Grab換了一家公司那實際的在股權的掌握上面或者是在這個整個公司的實質影響力上面 |
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對於Fu Panda的公司運作上面是不是會造成巨大的影響會不會也造成間接的壟斷行為這個我想也都是公平會應該要考量的重點這個我們後續再分析的部分我想也要再跟您討論到就是說我們的外送專法這個外送平台專法即將要上路那公平會的角色 |
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在這個外送專法的上路的這個同時當然這個跟公平會沒有太大的連結公平會大概還是防止壟斷不過這樣的一個併購案如果它真的是一個繞道的併購案的話我想對於我們這個外送專法的上路對於外送員的這樣的一個保障其實還是會受到相當大的影響的 |
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我想外送專法的實施如果導致平台他把成本轉嫁給下游那彼此之間出現了按摩勾結聯合漲價的行為這當然我們還是有空間可以去介入主要就是在外送專法實施以後後續所引發的這些競爭行為如果抵觸公平法我們還是有介入的空間 |
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我想這個還是要請公平會要密切的注意第三題要跟您請教主委您知道這家公司嗎我知道你們有沒有開始在介入調查有 這個有調查那現在調查的狀況是什麼這家魅力公司還真的很厲害 |
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它的魚油120顆就要賣600塊美金我算了一下如果你用美元的匯率如果乘以30的話120顆要賣18000塊台幣等於一顆要賣150塊一顆魚油要賣150塊而且它沒有健康食品的字號 |
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那我們昨天試圖要進入這家公司的網站這網站已經被封了 已經被封起來了那這個刑事警察局直接認定這是一家詐騙所以這家公司到底有沒有來跟公平會申請報備那當時你們的審核標準是什麼 |
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他們113年的時候有報備那這家公司目前已經申請要停止營業已經有跟我們來報備來跟你們申請停止營業對但是對於這個假傳銷珍稀金的這個狀態公平會的掌握程度到哪裡我們曾經有因為他並跟商品沒有來報備我們處分過他在個案當中那目前還在調查就是說他有沒有該因報備而不報備的一個情況 |
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所以這個案子還在調查當中所以主委這個也是我們一直在講傳銷直銷公司就是每一個都是用報備制其實我們沒有辦法進行實質的審查對於很多的消費大眾來講或者是很多的投資人來講你很容易就陷入這種假傳銷徵稀金然後被詐騙現在這個初估這一家公司的詐騙金額高達台幣15億元以上 |
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這是一個非常非常嚴重的問題像這樣子一直不斷的幾乎每一次我們只要跟公平會談都會有一家新的直銷公司出狀況甚至甚或是不只一家那這些狀態公平會也只能用報備的方式去處理這個也是我們覺得很憂心的其實有心人要詐騙的話就會鑽這個直銷的漏洞這個也是我們在法令上應該要趕快去補足的地方 |
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我想詐騙的部分當然我也很清楚就是由法務部這邊來處理詐騙當然是法務部處理我現在講就是說這些傳銷公司這個報備許可制這個裡面有一些因素必須要同時考慮因為傳銷也是一個商業行為所以到底許可報備等等之間的糾葛本會議在過去也表達過我們的立場就是說對於這個傳銷事業本身也是零售事業的一部分是不是有適合高強度的介入管制我覺得這還有必要進一步去 |
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不過你如果發現這樣的一個詐騙行為詐騙案件或詐騙公司一直不斷的在上升的時候其實公平會就不應該這麼相悅也不應該這麼消極這是本席的建議好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝邱映委員謝謝公平會主委好那因為在場人數已足 |