| IVOD_ID |
167938 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167938 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T13:56:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T14:03:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae6bb58c1bbb03a4682ba03baa58d69313f9ed76800e2b3a02543d4706013f98b45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:56:44 - 14:03:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 我要請經濟部長及台電經濟部部長跟台電曾董事長葉委員好部長好 我剛有聽民進黨立委他講說現在不是因為缺電才要重啟核二跟核三 |
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我現在覺得很搞笑了喔如果不是怕缺電的話那幹嘛要重啟民進黨反核反了一輩子了忽然間髮夾灣送出這個再運轉計畫幹嘛 |
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核管法雖然通過但核管法沒有規定說一定要送再運轉計畫只是把法規鬆綁說假設台電想送的話不受停業之前的時限的影響但是要不要送也是決定權還是在經濟部跟台電所以經濟部跟台電要送再運轉計畫3月底就要送了當然是怕以後會缺電AI的發展 半導體的發展所以我不太懂說這個時候還要去扯說重啟核二核三不是因為缺電我真的覺得太搞笑了 |
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那我想要確定一件事情因為現在不管是賴總統也好或者是經濟部台電也好都講說核二核三現在送再運轉計畫最快如果到時候程序都很順利的話核安會把關都沒有問題的話最快核三是2028重啟 |
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然後最快核二是2029重啟嘛是有這個這個時程你有聽過嗎部長我們最快經濟部的部分就是我是說你有沒有聽過啦有沒有聽過這個時程啊 |
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沒有嗎 但是我們只能確定 你們有沒有聽過就是有台電還有河安會包括總統太院長有講過這個時程 最快啦當然有時候可能會發生一些變數或什麼之類會往後推遲嘛但是這個時程你有沒有聽過沒有 我看到的是媒體推測啦媒體推測 對好 那然後呢 現在說有一個三原則啦河安無虞 河廢有解 社會公事 |
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這三個原則好像聽起來很具體但其實很空洞核安無虞我覺得這個我們就尊重核安會到時候對於核電再運轉計畫或老化分析的評估這個就由專業的人判斷那核被遊解是什麼意思 |
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因為按照部長您剛剛答詢其他委員的說法像核二現在核廢是因為它的水池滿了嘛那乾式除塵槽拿到使用執照之後它就可以把核廢移到乾式除塵槽去啊那假設2029年順利要重啓化那我就問嘛現在核廢就是放在那邊就是放在乾式除塵槽那這樣算不算核廢有解 |
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這個就要社會有共識先不要扯社會共識 因為你三原則是獨立的部長 不要迴避問題 社會共識我等一下會跟你討論那這樣算不算核廢有解放在根式儲存潮算不算核廢有解還是說要找到最終處置場才是核廢有解你要把定義定義清楚啊 |
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那是什麼嘛我就說經濟部的解讀來講的話我們就做好安全的安全我說尊重核安會啦我現在問你核廢的定義什麼叫核廢有解以核二的部分放在乾式儲存槽算不算核廢有解還是說要最終處置長找到才叫核廢有解定義是什麼就經濟部來講中間的中中間我們把它顧好所以 |
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所以河北就有解啦好 河北有解了好 河安會就 河安就看河安會嘛社會共識是什麼社會共識就是看你怎麼去跟社會講嘛社會共識是要做公投嗎是要做民調社會共識怎麼 它的量表是什麼 |
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他怎麼判定是共識但是跟委員報告一下剛剛講就是中間的中那是我說是經濟部的立場但是要大家有共識他的確是那大家的共識是怎麼有共識嘛你是要做民調還是做公投還是賴總統所有人就算因為是總統所以總統講的就是共識我們現在先把這個安全做好 |
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如果你們有安全的話我在跟你討論原則問題 都卡到安全這三個不同的原則嘛不是 你有安全 因為我的職業有限職業職業有限 聽得出來你無法定義嘛那你無法定義的情況之下這三個原則就空的啊你們一方面喔 告訴那個永和的或者是怕缺電的人想說 我有要推喔 |
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我有要推喔有一個2028跟2029的這樣的一個時程所以大家不用緊張半導體AIOK的投給我們民進黨沒問題我們有要推囉另外一方面你又跟那些反核的講說放心啦還有我們有三個原則啦核安核廢跟社會共識但是你又講不清楚這三個原則是什麼 |
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你這是包牌欸你讓挺核的人覺得說好像你要推核電你讓反核的人覺得說放心啦我還有三原則把關但是你什麼原則講不清楚啊稀哩呼嚕這個搞不好這一任期再等我這一任就過了啊 |
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所以我跟你講缺電問題是很務實問題我真的不希望政府到現在還用話術來面對人員的議題啦中研院的資料啦我跟你講中研院資料2050年我們用電量是六千億度啦去年是兩千八百億度我們在二十幾年我們要發電要兩倍啦你這兩倍哪來啦你要務實的面對除了這一分鐘麻煩你了齁這個我真的希望務實齁第二件事情齁那 |
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我想問一下現在剛剛好像部長也有講說我們現在天然氣供應無虞了嘛我們搶氣都成功了嘛那我想請問一下我們現在搶氣的價格大概是跟卡達買的幾倍大概差不多一倍嘛兩倍嘛一倍嘛就是多一倍啦那這樣子大概多付出多少成本 |
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以我們已經搶到六月來講的話已經多付出多少成本一船的話大概多付十億到十一億左右所以我們大概全部總共多付了十一億不是一船一船那總共搶了幾船大概現在應該二十幾船吧所以現在是多付了二十幾億那之後如果說戰事一直延續的話就會越付越多因為我想要知道這個因為我要謝謝忠友所以我要知道我們要下到什麼程度那現在這個大概應該還OK吧都還撐下去吧 |
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大家還可以一直不斷卸下去啊我們有已經提了這個怎麼樣增資協助中友的計畫啦那中友要謝謝你們就我們謝謝中友啊中友謝謝經營部然後大家謝謝經營部是這個意思不是我們要謝謝大院看能不能支持大家都下一卸去就好了啦有夠無聊的就務實的把問題解決啦好不好現在物價現在塑膠袋什麼都要漲了啦我真的希望政府可以好好的這個平衣物價謝謝 |
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好謝謝院支部委員 |