| IVOD_ID |
167932 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167932 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T13:16:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T13:24:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baaefac5c7c84d3f76632ba03baa58d693137d3a61a6651d0c53ae5e27c9773548e45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:16:45 - 13:24:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請部長部長好 一整天大家關心的經濟議題非常多但是本席先來就教一下關稅的議題我在一個月前左右我們就已經有專案報告的時候就已經問到現在還沒有生效主要是還要再送到國會對不對那什麼時候送到國會 |
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因為美國法律上的安排要重新安排等到安排好以後 ART ART不就之前我們已經簽了嘛那我們那個時候不就講到是說到目前為止其實國人也好立法委員也都還沒有看到我們行政院就我們中華民國政府跟美國政府簽訂的合約的一個內容嘛也因此說到底什麼時候完整的條文能夠送進國會 ART好像有對外公布了是不是 |
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你還沒有全文就是說你什麼時候要送到國會來讓我們通過啊據我了解好像已經有對外說明部長如果說你要那麼的對在行政院的網站上好像已經有對外完整的公布那你要送到立法院什麼時候因為部長一個月前在專案報告如果說你連這個議題都我是不是事情太多所以你也搞混了不是一個月前的時候我們是不是講那個時候還講是說因為 |
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現在有出來美國現在用122條款所以說他現在是全世界都10%但是川普雖然有講是說他可能調15%但到目前為止調了嗎?還沒有也因此122條款只能用150天如果說150天到了也要再通過美國國會再同意再繼續延長也因此全世界大家也都在觀望有一些國家已經先喊了那乾脆我就等122他後續怎麼樣再做譬如說馬來西亞 |
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但也有一些國家譬如說我們中華民國我們的行政院也講是說先不要因為即便122這樣很冗長122有150天可是我們之前談的ART非常好很棒所以有韓瓜232那我們趕快簽簽下來之後我們比較有保障這是行政院給我們的講法嘛 |
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那我們現在 是不是當時我也有具體要求說那我們是不是利用這一段時間因為還要再跟美國繼續溝通的過程我們也要試圖嘗試把301也納入 ART的保障這是現在大家所 國人所關心的嘛你如果說你要簽 就簽一個對我國最有利的也因此232已經有含瓜在ART的精神裡面但是301沒有 |
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那大家不知道說現在未來301之後美國會不會我們簽了ART之後301出來之後再跟我們刻一次稅也因此我們才會講是說你現在應該要確認你最終的版本送進國會審查之前讓我們知道那現在總是時間上來講如果說依照你現在來說150天你不想等那我想請教的是我們這一段時間的努力以及什麼時候會送最終版本進來 |
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報告委員因為這樣他原來的這個ART他的法源依據是來自於IPA就是美國的部分那這個IPA的部分是被最高法院說他已經超越了總統的權利所以他用暫時性的122來當作這個所以我們那個時候也才講是說你有沒有需要那麼急的簽ART或者是說 |
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我們能不能重啟談判但是一個月前的專案報告行政院暫地解決講說不要重啟談判因為現在談到ART是對我們最有利的這是你們的說法所以我們要保障的就是談好的結果不要改變法源依據可以改變但是結果不要改變就是確保我們ART的這個談好的這樣的一個成果 |
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但是請容許本席提醒即便是現在ART其實比美國現在所珍貴全世界各國的122條款所使用的其實都還高啊 |
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我們條件都還是相對嚴苛啊不一樣 他等到後面的時候因為我們的稅 至少稅就是10%跟15%的差別5%的差別啊對 但是就美國的規劃來講所以有沒有可能現在我們有一些世界各國已經講了就是要等一二二後續的一個處理嘛所以他不急著簽約啊那我們現在到底急不急所以美國他就是用三零一的方式重建他的這個法源依據啦是啊 所以本身現在才提 |
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部長 所以我不知道說過去這個月我們談判小組的努力或是說你接受到的資訊本席現在還提的是說 那我們既然你剛講了是要用美國現在要用301來當作是後續的籌碼那我們這個ART有沒有把301也包括在裡面我們後續會跟美國談就是說談定了就不要再改 不要用301加進來等等的一些情況 |
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就保障這個結果是 這個就是我們之後要送進立法院的時候我們要看到你的這樣的一個承諾跟美國談到的好 所以部長 就本席理解喔這是鄭麗君都還沒有講過的話喔你剛剛講這段話是鄭麗君還沒有講過的話因為當時專案報告我一直要求的是301要納入 鄭麗君不敢正面回覆鄭麗君一直講說ART有談到232但沒有把301 但是 |
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本席肯定你剛剛講話是因為這才是我們要看到的就是說我們不能未來如果說要簽ART不能未來再變成一隻牛扒兩層皮不能我們簽了ART之後美國再拿301再來要求我們額外的關稅你可以認同這樣的方向吧對 我們認同 我們來努力好 所以什麼時候會送進來我們要來審查的時候他們那個法源 |
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法源的重建還沒有重建完對 那個是美國他的法源的重建我們要讓他不會等到122消失了 然後301不知道什麼時候生效 然後我們就都還沒有辦法送進來 或是說什麼時候可以送進來我相信美國他會有他的這個時間上的安排來 那個 抱歉 主席再一分鐘啦部長 |
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本席過去尊重你相關的一些專業我們也在秘書長任內的時候也有溝通過但如果說一直要扭曲或說刻意跟著青鳥側翼帶風向本席也不樂見你一直講說行政部門依法行政但是去年所通過的核管法我們的條文是怎麼講 |
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你今天的專案報告裡面其實也有寫到經營者得向主管機關申請他是得不是因也因此並不是立法院去年修過核管法之後行政部門就一定要做 |
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因為他是得不是因而今天是經濟部看到立法院修法完成之後台電主動向經濟部求書申請經濟部也認同所以說才去做重啟的一個評估或說重啟的一個安全調查所以不管怎麼樣 |
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執政要有肩膀你們做錯決議自己要打臉過去十年不管青鳥側翼在網路上或是賴清德總統以前擔任台南市長的時候怎麼樣講我是人我反核自己要打臉自己承擔但不用把什麼事情都一句依法行政條文怎麼規定得向主管機關申請不是贏這一點說明清楚好不好 謝謝好 謝謝黃孟愷委員 |