| IVOD_ID |
167927 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167927 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T12:50:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T13:03:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae6efe42a97ba7a9fab86a255e355343ec7d3a61a6651d0c53621313771590f4455ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:50:53 - 13:03:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：討論事項
審查
一、 委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
二、 委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第七十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、 委員徐富癸等18人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
四、 委員林月琴等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
五、 委員李彥秀等21人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十五條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
六、 委員陳菁徽等22人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十五條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
七、 委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。
八、 委員蘇清泉等30人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
九、 委員李彥秀等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第七十七條條文修正草案」案。
十、 委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
十一、 委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十五條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
十二、 委員顏寬恒等22人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第三十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
十三、 委員林月琴等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十八條及第二十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
十四、 委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
十五、 委員林思銘等20人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
十六、 委員王鴻薇等26人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第四十九條及第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
十七、 委員黃建賓等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第七十七條條文修正草案」案。
十八、 委員黃建賓等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第八十三條、第一百零七條及第一百零八條條文修正草案」案。
十九、 委員林德福等20人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第六十六條條文修正草案」案。
二十、 委員張雅琳等27人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十一、 委員柯志恩等18人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第五十一條之一、第九十九條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、 委員陳冠廷等24人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第四十六條、第四十六條之二及第九十四條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十三條及第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十四、 委員黃健豪等23人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第六十九條及第一百零三條條文修正草案」案。
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謝謝主席,有請部長有請史部長還有署長社交署署長游委員好部長好部長看一下跟署長看一下,這是2024年的五月新聞 |
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額曉華統一的公告中央網站避免跨縣市超不到這個是衛部在4月底跟各縣市討論後決定要求法定的公告姓名名稱案件一律在中央的聯合國兒童權利公約網站上公告且統一格式避免不一致的問題那各縣市都還想公告中央不會反對沒有錯吧對好沒有錯好那所以現在 |
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民眾都可以在聯絡國的兒童權利公約網站上查詢到各縣市公告違反兒少人員的名字但是部長我們實際點閱進去之後會發現一個問題各縣市公告的公文沒有 |
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然後沒有縣市發出的公文就把人公告到這個系統上去這個有沒有風險的存在會不會有霧燈到時候出問題是要地方政府來負責還是我們會不會負責 |
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這不僅如此啦,在衛福部的系統上,除了公佈姓名還有違反法規外,對事實僅用這種災藥的方式去呈現所以我這邊要提醒部長,也要請部長看這個災藥,你看這兩個案子下一頁看這兩個案子它是發生什麼事情 |
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一個是桃園市,一個是宜蘭,就這張啦,宜蘭縣然後就40災藥,受處不能於公開場合,對兒少不當對待然後,一樣,兩個都寫一樣啦一個是公開場合,一個沒有加公開場合但是像台北市喔,它40災藥是這麼寫委員第幾條?19,第1項,第15款但是,它的委員條文是寫這樣,但是它的40災藥 |
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又只有寫違反失絕條第1項第15款規定不依啦然後他可以點進去可以看到公文前面那兩個看不到公文寫這樣 |
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這一個可以看到公文,但事實在要就是比較上那個表格叫文婉條文的內容的畫條這個怎麼會會怎麼這樣的一個不一致啦這是真的,我覺得這有問題嘛然後有上傳的公文,我們現在幫你查到是這樣有新北、台北、台中、高雄、屏東、台東、金門剩下的通通沒有上傳或是林一新各案上傳有的時候他想傳,有時候他不想傳 |
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所以我想我們當初立法的目的就是要接受這些去傷害未成年的對象在這個系統的營運的模式讓各縣市的來把這樣的資訊傳到這個公約的網站上但是好像操作空間太大了然後不一致也非常的離譜然後甚至還有可以選擇不上傳公文然後在中央的系統裡面把其他人做的事情就寫得非常隱晦模糊 |
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這不對吧所以我們應該立即來檢討像這樣的一個違反兒少法的公佈的一個系統最少要求說柯先生你一定要強制他們要上傳這個公文嘛這最少嘛然後事實在要我是建議是不是要模組化 |
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不是有那個人員他自己寫什麼就寫什麼就寫什麼應該是你模組化之後人員勾選而非填寫然後他會避免他虧待這種事實勾選式的啦對啊對啊對啊下拉選單這樣齁對啦好不好好啊這一個禮拜還要一行嗎 |
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因為現在應該是過去可能是擔心到他的處分書上會有兒少資料啦所以沒有呈現公文啦啊如果沒有的話就沒有問題處分書上面應該都有公文我們讓他可以看得到就好這個我們來改 |
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處分書原本應該就是可以公開嘛對啊對啊應該不會有長擔心的事情我們就把處分書掛上來就可以這件事情我再提醒部長會出來一件事情就是在系統上這個連江線是零離島人員當然是比較少但是你看喔澎湖從2024四月起也登陸五件金門2019到現在也有五月起也都全部案件都有全部上網 |
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年薑到現在沒半個當然沒有最好嘛會不會我們確認一下是真的沒有還是沒有登場來就請部長說完就再深入去了解一下啦好第二件事情我再請教部長啦就是也是有關俄董的這個俄哨權力的問題為運動部歐陸俄視調查我們福林關的竟然是全台第一胖的縣市 |
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同時雲林縣的國小的學生12.15%過重15.99%肥胖近三成的學生體位量紅燈然後根據兒虎聯盟確診調查台灣有五六年級的兒童過重及肥胖率高達30點 |
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這個已經超過全球平均的25%台北市立醫院的和平院區的一個黃主任也特別示警研究顯示回胖兒童有五成的機率在成年後他還是持續回胖回胖青少年有七成的機率也一直回胖到成年就像我助理這樣這些數據 |
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我用實際的例子跟各位講,這個請大家嚴肅來面對這些事情因為我也一直希望他,這個真的,那些人你太重,其實對自己的身體會負荷坦白講,那個是真的,我竟然看他滿頭大汗 |
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有時候有些事情比較緊急的他也會很緊張這其實是不好啦我剛才問大家分享所以我想這個減肥減胖這基本上我覺得這課不容易而且我們是超過全球的25%剛剛提到的數據他如果在額頭的時候 |
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有五成的機率在成年後能是回胖的回胖的七成的機率有七成的機率還是一直回胖到成年嘛對啊這是一個很嚴肅的事情我們到底要如何讓學童的體態可以獲得控制我們現在就這樣叫跳繩啦 多多運動還是辦減重比賽我不曉得還有辦減重比賽可以送手機可以送幾支真的喔這方式正確嗎 |
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我們沒有要批評是說我們把方法大家在這邊做一個討論因為人數這麼多你用這種方式到底整體的效益在什麼地方我們預期想要可以達到這樣的目標降低為全球的這個平均值這樣做的效果可以嗎多久才有效有辦法去達標那顯然顯然是 |
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是有問題的嘛 這第一個 我的看法那個回邦醫學會在舉辦過記者會也公布數據齁臺灣該把百分之八成的民眾已經認知到回邦是一種疾病喔但是實際有曾經接受到專業的醫療評估的僅21.7 |
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所以他也不會去求助醫師來予以協助所以現在肥胖的認知應該不是說少吃多動就會瘦他要瘦的健康是一個專門的學科 |
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對啊 這之前我們講過 我們甚至我們也講過生生長子肥胖的對象我們要怎麼協助他們嘛這個都有討論過但是我們現在只有針對小朋友的部分我們的處理方式就是這樣那這樣的方式坦白講它是會產生什麼樣的一個效應這站在站在健康台灣的立場我是覺得這個是這是不對的啦齁我再講一個啦齁你們有 |
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有所謂有推動這個健康幣嘛,就鼓勵民眾打疫苗、做篩檢、累積點數,對他們好康嘛那這個健康幣的APP,它僅規劃是18歲以上的民眾我們覺得不夠嘛,能不能引領往下降,然後針對這個部分透過積極的衛教的手段,讓學童跟家長認知,才可以真正的健康減重嘛 |
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他來參加衛教可以參與你們健康幣相關的一些獎勵這是不是可以納入在這個思考的範圍就是像委員提到我們這一陣子的瘦瘦身之亂就可以理解到對這個肥胖的控制概念的觀念的扭曲都是靠藥這是不對的其實是七成靠飲食三成靠運動應該是這樣 |
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所以這個觀念如何落實才是難度這個最標準的知易行難所以我們剛剛您提到的這個我們來所以就是像說部長跟署長這個部分就是很怎麼講我們超過全世界的 |
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全球這樣的一個5%我們如何可以透過剛剛部長講的方式就是這個七成的飲食三成的運動還有相關的一些衛教嘛對不對大家是把它當成一個他必須面對的一個疾病來予以處理嘛政府怎麼去獎勵嘛是不是透過我直接講到健康幣啦當然還有很多的方式嘛那我們多久可以低於全球的平均嘛 |
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比如說跟我們說明我們現在TFDA也在做那個食品分級啦健康食品的分級紅黃綠燈也在規劃這個那未來搭配健康幣去連結這個健康食品的型態所以這個就是我們想要把它變成是一個生活的一部分來推啦這個我們來做一個比較完整的規劃 |
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那這個專業就留給部長跟署長看怎麼來處理嘛但是我只要求嘛我們多久的時間可以依照你們的專業的方式方法低於全球的30.2%對不起25%講錯我們是30.2這讓我再規劃一下這要有比較嚴謹的這不可以隨便喊什麼時候啦 |
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不過你講的絕對是嚴謹的啊你說我今天在農莊沒你手你看這樣覺得不夠嚴謹所以我是覺得因為這事情要儘量處理啦因為你要說一年兩年我也不相信但是你就是要有一個不然最起碼怎麼樣規劃可以降低至全球的這個這個這個爬線多久的時間裡面可以研究出來然後提供給委員會做參考你們這樣的方法方案是有用的 |
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我們先來規劃,然後我們三個月給你提一個規劃的方向這個不要三個月啦,好不好,三個月就...這要再找專家學者,不那麼簡單啦沒有啊,你們以前應該有做啊,你們不是現在這麼做的啊你們以前做的就是那些方法不對啊,不好啊,不就繼續廢啊,就是這樣啊所以要再調整啦,要檢討一下過去的做法,然後未來怎麼做這肥胖確實是一個大問題 |
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對啦!兩個月啦!謝謝!謝謝部長!謝謝署長! |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:50:56.457000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:03.387000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，有請部長還有社家署署長。 |
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0.933 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:03.387000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:04.387000+08:00 |
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請石部長、社家署署長。 |
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0 |
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石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-25T12:51:03.547000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-25T12:51:03.688000+08:00 |
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劉委員好。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-25T12:51:04.308000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:04.388000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:05.790000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:14.697000+08:00 |
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請部長跟署長看一下，這是2024年5月的新聞，違反兒少法統一公告中央網站，避免跨縣市查不到。 |
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0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:16.138000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:30.247000+08:00 |
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衛福部在4月底跟各縣市討論後，決定要求法定公告姓名或名稱的案件，一律在中央的聯合國兒童權利公約網站上公告，且統一格式，避免不一致的問題，各縣市若還想另外公告，中央不會反對。 |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-25T12:51:30.247000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-25T12:51:31.308000+08:00 |
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沒有錯吧？對。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-25T12:51:32.369000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:40.252000+08:00 |
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所以現在民眾都可以在聯合國兒童權利公約網站上查詢到各縣市公告違反兒少人員的名字。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-25T12:51:41.493000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:43.414000+08:00 |
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但是我們實際點閱進去之後會發現一個問題，各縣市有公告的公文嗎？沒有！ |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:50.410000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:55.677000+08:00 |
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沒有縣市發出的公文，就把這些人公告到這個系統上去，這有沒有風險存在？ |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:56.638000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:56.898000+08:00 |
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會不會有誤登？ |
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0.667 |
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劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:51:58.520000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:52:02.045000+08:00 |
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到時候出了問題是要地方政府來負責，還是我們衛福部要負責？ |
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0.808 |
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劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:52:05.409000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:52:20.606000+08:00 |
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不僅如此，在衛福部的系統上，除了公布姓名還有違反法規外，對於事實僅用摘要的方式去呈現，所以我這邊要提醒部長，也要請部長跟署長看一下這兩個案子的事實摘要，它是發生什麼事情呢？ |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-25T12:52:22.062000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:52:54.262000+08:00 |
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一個是在桃園市，一個是在宜蘭縣，裡面的事實摘要分別是「受處分人於公開場合對兒少不當對待」，「受處分人對兒少不當對待」，兩個都寫一樣，但一個是有「公開場合」，一個是沒有加上「公開場合」；但是像在臺北市，他的「事實摘要」是寫「違反第四十九條第一項第十五款」，但是他的「違法條文」是寫「違反第四十九條第一項第十五款……」，即他的事實摘要就只有寫「違反第四十九條第一項第十五款規定」。 |
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0.522 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:52:55.584000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:53:18.646000+08:00 |
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總之，大家都不太一致，像臺北市點進去後是可以看到公文的，但前面那兩個是看不到公文的，換言之，臺北市的可以看到公文，但「事實摘要」是比照「違法條文」內容裡所提到的法條，請問為何會有這樣的不一致？ |
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0.536 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-25T12:53:20.887000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-25T12:53:21.647000+08:00 |
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我覺得這有問題。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:53:22.588000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:54:07.944000+08:00 |
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至於公文有上傳的縣市，我們現在幫你查到的有新北、臺北、臺中、高雄、屏東、臺東、金門，剩下的通通沒有上傳或是僅有零星個案上傳，即有的時候他想傳，有時候他不想傳，我們當初立法的目的就是要揭露這些傷害未成年的對象，在這個系統的營運模式下，讓各縣市把這樣的資訊傳到這個公約的網站上，但是好像操作空間太大了，不一致的情況也非常的離譜，甚至還可以選擇不上傳公文，然後在中央的系統裡面，把這些人做的事情寫得非常隱晦、模糊，這不對吧！ |
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0.888 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:54:10.105000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:54:19.849000+08:00 |
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所以你們應該立即檢討像這樣的違反兒少法統一公告網站，至少要強制要求各縣市一定要上傳這個公文。好。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-25T12:54:22.090000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:54:37.499000+08:00 |
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然後事實摘要的部分，我是建議，是不是要採用模組化，不是那個人員自己想寫什麼就寫什麼，應該是模組化之後，由人員勾選而非填寫，避免他可以淡化這方面的事實。 |
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0.779 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-25T12:54:37.499000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-25T12:54:39.640000+08:00 |
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用勾選式、下拉選單的方式。對啦！ |
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0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-25T12:54:39.640000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-25T12:54:42.941000+08:00 |
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可以嗎？好。 |
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0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-25T12:54:42.941000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:54:43.601000+08:00 |
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一個禮拜內可以來執行嗎？可以。 |
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0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
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2026-03-25T12:54:45.923000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:02.082000+08:00 |
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因為過去可能是擔心處分書上會有兒少資料，所以沒有呈現相關的公文，但如果沒有的話，這個就沒有問題了，處分書上面應該都有公文，我們讓他可以被看得到就好，OK，這個我們來改進。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:07.299000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:09.401000+08:00 |
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處分書原本就是可以公開的，對不對？對啊！ |
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0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:10.642000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:11.963000+08:00 |
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應該不會有部長擔心的事情發生。 |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-25T12:55:12.303000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:14.966000+08:00 |
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我們在處分書的部分把它掛上來就可以了。 |
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0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:15.866000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:41.091000+08:00 |
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就這件事情我再提醒部長及署長，就是在系統上，連江縣的數目是零，離島的人員當然是比較少，但是像澎湖從2024年4月起也登錄了5件；金門從2019年5月起到現在，全部的案件也都有上網，連江到現在沒半個，當然沒有最好，但會不會…… |
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0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-25T12:55:41.091000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:45.232000+08:00 |
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我們確認一下是真的沒有還是沒有登錄上來。 |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:45.232000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:48.713000+08:00 |
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就請部長、署長交代下去，以深入了解一下。好。 |
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0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:48.933000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:55.895000+08:00 |
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第二件事情，我再請教部長，這也是攸關兒少權益的問題。 |
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0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:55:55.895000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:56:13.109000+08:00 |
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據運動部2024年的調查，雲林縣竟然是全臺第一胖的縣市；同時雲林縣的國小學生中，有12.15%過重、15.99%肥胖，近三成的學生體位亮紅燈。 |
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0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:56:14.411000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:56:28.956000+08:00 |
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根據兒福聯盟去年的調查，臺灣五、六年級兒童過重及肥胖率高達30.2%，已經超過全球平均的25%，我們多了5%多。 |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:56:28.956000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T12:56:45.905000+08:00 |
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臺北市立醫院和平院區的黃主任也特別示警，研究顯示，肥胖兒童有五成的機率在成年後還是會持續肥胖，然後肥胖的青少年有七成的機率也會一直肥胖到成年，就像我助理這樣。 |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T12:56:50.011000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-25T12:57:24.141000+08:00 |
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我用實際的數據、例子跟各位講，請大家來嚴肅面對這些事情，如果體重太重，自己身體的負荷真的會很大，坦白講，我經常看到他滿頭大汗，有時候有一些事情比較緊急時，他也會很緊張，其實這是不好的，我是以自己遇到的問題、狀況來跟大家分享，所以減肥、減胖我覺得是刻不容緩，而且我們的肥胖率超過全球的25%。 |
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0.656 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-25T12:57:24.141000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-25T12:57:36.080000+08:00 |
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此外，就剛剛提供的數據，如果在兒童的時候肥胖，有五成的機率在成年後仍是肥胖的、肥胖的青少年有七成機率會一直肥胖到成年。 |
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0.704 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-25T12:57:38.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-25T12:57:42.724000+08:00 |
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所以這是一個很嚴肅的事情，到底要如何讓學童的體態可以獲得控制？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-25T12:57:43.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-25T12:57:53.771000+08:00 |
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我們現在可能就是要他多跳繩、多多運動，有的則是辦減重比賽，據說有的減重比賽又可以送手機，這樣可以送出多少支手機？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.608 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-25T12:57:57.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-25T12:57:57.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
這個方式正確嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-25T12:57:59.192000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-25T12:58:09.219000+08:00 |
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我並沒有要批評，而是把方法提出來，大家在這邊做一個討論，因為人數這麼多，用這種方式處理，到底整體的效益在什麼地方？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-25T12:58:09.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-25T12:58:18.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我們預期想要達到這樣的目標，降低到全球的平均值，這樣做的效果可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-25T12:58:18.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-25T12:58:20.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
多久時間才能有效、有辦法去達標？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-25T12:58:21.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-25T12:58:25.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
顯然這是有問題的，這是第一個。 |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-25T12:58:27.424000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-25T12:59:01.178000+08:00 |
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肥胖醫學會曾舉辦過記者會，也公布了數據，臺灣高達80%的民眾，已經認知到肥胖是一種疾病，但是曾經實際接受專業醫療評估的僅21.7%，表示還有六成的人根本就不把這當成是一個疾病在看待，所以他也不會向醫師求助，而現在對肥胖的認知應該不是少吃多動就會瘦，而是要瘦得健康，這是一個專門的學科，對不對？對。 |
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0.634 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-25T12:59:01.458000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-25T12:59:21.306000+08:00 |
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之前我們有說過，甚至我們也談到身心障礙者肥胖的對象要怎麼協助他們，這個我們都有討論過，但是現在只有針對小朋友的部分，我們的處理方式就是這樣，坦白講，這樣的方式會產生什麼樣的效應？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-25T12:59:22.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-25T12:59:25.948000+08:00 |
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站在健康臺灣的立場，我是覺得這是不對的。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-25T12:59:27.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-25T12:59:45.794000+08:00 |
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我再講一個例子，你們有推過所謂的健康幣，就是鼓勵民眾打疫苗、做篩檢等等以累積點數、兌換好康，而這個健康幣app的對象，僅規劃在18歲以上的民眾，我覺得不夠，能不能研議將年齡往下降？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.709 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-25T12:59:46.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-25T12:59:53.596000+08:00 |
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然後針對這個部分，透過積極衛教的手段，讓學童跟家長有所認知，如此才可以真正的健康減重。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-25T12:59:56.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-25T13:00:00.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
他來參加衛教，可以參與你們健康幣一些相關的獎勵嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-25T13:00:00.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-25T13:00:04.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這是不是可以納入思考？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-25T13:00:06.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-25T13:00:22.060000+08:00 |
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我們來研議，像委員提到這一陣子的瘦瘦針之亂，就可以理解到民眾對肥胖控制觀念的扭曲，以為都是靠藥，這是不對的，其實是七成靠飲食、三成靠運動。 |
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0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-25T13:00:22.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-25T13:00:23.060000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
對啊、對啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-25T13:00:22.060000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:00:31.827000+08:00 |
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應該是這樣，所以這個觀念如何落實才是難度，這是最標準的知易行難啊。是啊。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-25T13:00:31.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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2026-03-25T13:00:37.271000+08:00 |
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所以剛才您提到的這個，我們來思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-25T13:00:37.271000+08:00 |
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2026-03-25T13:00:56.903000+08:00 |
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對啊，所以就是希望部長跟署長在這個部分，就是怎麼講，我們超過全世界的5%，如何透過剛剛部長講的方式，就是七成的飲食、三成的運動，還有相關的一些衛教嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-25T13:00:56.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-25T13:01:07.509000+08:00 |
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大家把它當成一個必須面對的疾病來予以處理嘛，政府怎麼去獎勵嘛，是不是透過什麼方式，我只是講到健康幣，但還有很多的方式嘛，對不對？對。 |
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0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-25T13:01:08.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-25T13:01:10.771000+08:00 |
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我們多久可以低於全球的平均？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-25T13:01:12.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-25T13:01:34.558000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，我們現在TFDA也在做健康食品的分級，紅黃綠燈也在規劃，未來搭配健康幣去連接這個健康食品的形態，這就是我們想要把它變成是生活的一部分來推，我們來做一個比較完整的規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-25T13:01:36.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-25T13:01:38.929000+08:00 |
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這個專業就留給部長跟署長看怎麼來處理嘛。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-25T13:01:39.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-25T13:01:47.336000+08:00 |
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但是我只要求多久的時間可以依照你們專業的方式、方法，讓數值低於全球的25%，我們是30.2%。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-25T13:01:47.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-25T13:01:49.698000+08:00 |
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這個讓我們再規劃一下，因為這要比較嚴謹，不能隨便喊什麼時候啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:05.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:12.100000+08:00 |
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我跟你講的絕對是嚴謹的啊，你看我今天都沒在笑，難道這樣還不夠嚴謹嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.677 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:12.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:14.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我是覺得這件事情要趕緊處理。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:15.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:33.858000+08:00 |
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你說要一年、二年，我也不相信，但是最起碼你要規劃，怎麼可以降低至全球的百分比，多久的時間你們可以研議出來，然後提供給委員會參考，說明你們這樣的方法方案是有用的。 |
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0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:33.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:35.584000+08:00 |
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至少要這樣嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:35.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:41.487000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我們先來規劃，然後三個月給你提一個規劃的方向。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:42.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:43.508000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
這個不要三個月啦，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:44.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:46.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
這還要找專家學者，沒有那麼簡單。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:47.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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2026-03-25T13:02:54.894000+08:00 |
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沒有啊，你們以前應該就有做了，不是現在才做的，你們以前做的就是方法不對，沒效，才會繼續肥，就是這樣啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:55.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-25T13:02:55.934000+08:00 |
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對，所以要再調整。是啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-25T13:02:56.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-25T13:03:00.637000+08:00 |
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要檢討一下過去的做法，然後未來怎麼做，肥胖確實是一個大問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-25T13:03:01.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-25T13:03:01.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
對啦，兩個月啦，謝謝。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
劉委員建國 |
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2026-03-25T13:03:01.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-25T13:03:01.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
謝謝部長、謝謝署長，謝謝。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-25T13:03:02.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-25T13:03:03.240857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-25T13:03:03.540857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-25T13:03:05.540857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
謝謝劉建國委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-25T13:03:05.840857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-25T13:03:08.983714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
接下來請葉元之委員發言。 |
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0 |