| IVOD_ID |
167920 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167920 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T12:31:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T12:39:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:34 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae049ff06863b20d0b2ba03baa58d69313f19eff9622767a8e2d8f15caca8ddabc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:31:02 - 12:39:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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我想這幾天對兩位都是一個極大的震撼就腦筋急轉彎我們是這整個永和飛河急轉彎就這樣子 |
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那我覺得今天跟各位探討的大概就是比較因為我看完這整個兩份的報告當然對於這個時程啊對於這些的安檢這些要求反正我們就是遵照核安法的這個核管法的這樣的一個規定 |
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但是我想要看到的是說成本的估算就是說可能剛剛我坐在上面聽各位的詢答的話基本上可能也沒有辦法說你一定估出很準但是我還是說這個東西的話還是讓全國的民眾有一些知的權利所以我大概去幫你算了一下假設我們把這些的核電也就是說核一核二核三這邊停下來的話 |
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大概他們發的度數我去上台電的官網統計一下大概差不多400億度 |
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那410度的一個成本來就是說410度的這個缺電量大約啦我大概估是這樣那如果我們全部都是用燃氣來發的話來補這樣的缺口假設我不計燃煤的話那一定都是火力為主嘛因為我們剛剛燃氣的比重大概在五成可能接近了應該是五成多燃煤的話應該是30幾加起來應該是81點多還是82 |
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那我大概算一下大概這裡頭的非核發電的價差大概這5年大概就差不多是3040億左右 |
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那另外根據台電的一些的預估就是在核二核三的重啟的成本預估啦那只是當時的預估那基本上來講大概現在的話我猜啦因為物價的上漲嘛大概我抓1000到1200億所以這個大概是我們把核電停下來之後得算直接的一個成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
139.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
165.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
那另外呢我們要算的就是說因為核四因為不在這一次的題目裡面那核四的資產的減損大概是2849億然後呢因為我們現在這些的缺口他只能用火力的一個方式去補這樣的缺口因為我們再生能源大概現在看起來照剛剛你們的回答以及我查的數據大概今年大概13目前13點多的一個%的一個發電的一個占比 |
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168.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
192.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
所以這個時候來講的話我透過這一個燃氣去做那加上這一些的燃氣的一個價格上上下下都會有有時候高有時候低所以大概這邊的台電的虧損當然我們講過還有一些政策的一個補助大概的話累虧大概有4千億因為我們借錢還是要有利息所以這些的話我們把這些也列入這個間接的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
193.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
214.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
另外因為你用火力電廠的空污的控制 碳捕捉這一塊的話因為我們要降低這個碳排的這個係數所以大概 蘇菇去抓一下你們的預算書大概2017到5大概投入了700億的台幣那另外的話 因為我們要強韌電網嘛另外還有一些儲能 因為在深圳我們有儲能額外的支出大概是1545億左右 |
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217.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
240.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
所以大概如果直接去抓的話大概是差不多六千億的間接那再加上前面假設我們低估一點四千億大概差不多是一兆那我不曉得部長跟董事長對這樣子的數字如果你認為我說的不對那你就要提報告給我如果是差不多這個東西的話就請兩位回答這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
243.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
268.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
精算的部分我們還是要精算不過行政部門都是要依法行政那這個核管法裡面規定的是營運40年以後就不能再營運然後或者是說在核一核二廠燃料池已經堆滿了乾式儲存不能再蓋地方政府不發給我們執照水保法的執照的話我們也沒有辦法去做處理所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
269.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
285.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
產業公司完全是依法來行政明白明白這些都是依法行政但是我還是希望說我們去算出一些精準的成本好不好再列入給我一個報告這樣子好再來的話就是因為我們常常在蔡英文總統任期的時候絕對不漲電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
287.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
296.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
那這種社會的成本的話大概台電5年大概漲了5次大概10年裡頭漲了45%當然有人估38大概30幾到40幾都有人估 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
300.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
328.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
不過包委員因為民生用電幾乎都沒有漲而且這還我現在講的是民生用電民生用電幾乎沒有漲對就是說你如果把它平均下來的話大概不管是產業用電總等民生用電不會是3塊75現在是2塊多對我說這個把它是平均起來是這樣但是就是說你這個電價漲產業成本漲我的生產的價格會提高所以這個東西來講還是會造成我的一個什麼通膨的一個壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
329.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
347.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
所以這個民眾的感受就很不好你不相信問現在的民眾來講他還是電價有被漲所以我是覺得這個地方來講的話他會影響到我們整個這一個通膨那你CPI的年增率也要好好去控制我想這個成本比較如社會成本也要去控制一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
348.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
365.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
那另外的害就是說因為我必須要用火力去發電所以這個時候來講的話我們的燃氣燃煤那這種健康的損害我們的肺癌的話大概已經連續今年又是第一名了大概連續二十幾年他起碼連續三年都是第一那這個在中南部的民眾來講是 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
367.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
382.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
他會直接的去聯想所以這一塊的話我也希望是說將來在這些的火力發電廠的等等還是要逐步達成這個落實就燃氣組增加我們的這些燃煤的發電組就是應該要停啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
382.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
399.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
那我覺得這個東西也是要依法那千萬不要再說當然了你明天會告訴我說我是要緊急備援用電所以我還沒有辦法完全等等我有時候還是要啟動這個還是要去控制這件事情第二個來講就是我們企業現在的講電 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
400.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
423.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
但總統是說我的AI需求算力這些東西但是我是覺得我們企業現在不只是RE100我們要24x7的CFS臨時無碳的這樣子的一個電所以我覺得在這一塊的話如果你的火力還沒發電的話事實上對我們的碳費碳稅的增加我希望也在這樣子的評估報告裡面一併再交給我們來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
423.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
436.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
所以我是希望把這些點就先算出來因為合規合乎安全我想這沒問題但是我想要看到的是一本帳那把這個東西算清楚然後再來適時的公開在我們的網站上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
437.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
454.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
那另外我對再生能源我是希望不要再跳票了所以那個東西一直往下修然後到2022年一直修到現在一直延宕到說我2028年才會到20%那我對今年的達成率我覺得也很 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
455.552 |
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483.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
不樂觀啦所以我是覺得這一塊來講可能還是要請這個經濟部再去加以處理那最後因為我不能耽誤時間我覺得啦這個具體的訴求就是說在這個裡頭大概我們一些重啟的時程預算風險評估跟合費的處理反正這邊都要做嘛台電這邊也做了一大堆的一個不管是老化的評估等等我想這個我給你比較寬裕的時間因為我們工程我們還是希望看到比較詳細的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
485.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
508.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
再來就是需求跟能源的配比尤其在AI我現在也看不到AI需求電算中心的算力他所需要的電力的這樣子的規劃我現在也找不到也看不到那這也會影響我們的能源的配比這樣子那當然最後的話我是希望說整個這些核電的重啟跟審查當然還是要送到立法院嘛對不對讓我們這些立委可以做一個監督大概這我的訴求是這樣謝謝謝謝 |