| IVOD_ID |
167919 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167919 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T12:28:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T12:37:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baaeb675dc661b3f1bb1b86a255e355343ecf19eff9622767a8e43cbf47c3bf192685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:28:09 - 12:37:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：討論事項
審查
一、 委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第三十一條條文修正草案」案。
二、 委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第七十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、 委員徐富癸等18人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
四、 委員林月琴等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第十三條條文修正草案」案。
五、 委員李彥秀等21人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十五條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
六、 委員陳菁徽等22人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十五條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
七、 委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案。
八、 委員蘇清泉等30人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
九、 委員李彥秀等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第七十七條條文修正草案」案。
十、 委員吳秉叡等21人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
十一、 委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十五條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
十二、 委員顏寬恒等22人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第三十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
十三、 委員林月琴等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十八條及第二十八條之一條文修正草案」案。
十四、 委員徐欣瑩等19人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
十五、 委員林思銘等20人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
十六、 委員王鴻薇等26人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第四十九條及第九十七條條文修正草案」案。
十七、 委員黃建賓等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第七十七條條文修正草案」案。
十八、 委員黃建賓等16人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第八十三條、第一百零七條及第一百零八條條文修正草案」案。
十九、 委員林德福等20人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第六十六條條文修正草案」案。
二十、 委員張雅琳等27人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法部分條文修正草案」案。
二十一、 委員柯志恩等18人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第五十一條之一、第九十九條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、 委員陳冠廷等24人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第四十六條、第四十六條之二及第九十四條條文修正草案」案。
二十三、 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第二十三條及第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十四、 委員黃健豪等23人擬具「兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第六十九條及第一百零三條條文修正草案」案。
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石部長崇良 |
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請十部長來請十部長 |
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喔 楊委員好部長好部長我們今天台灣兒少福利權益保障法那當然法律的規定沒有一定的人力支撐其實什麼法都是空談所以我先還是先跟你討論一下我們現在國內的社工人力的問題其實台灣長期存在著社工人力不足的問題這個我們在委員會已經講過好幾次那 |
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衛福部的統計資料是這樣子就是在2022年底的時候我國的社工專職人數是一萬八千多服務的比例呢就是用社工人數來對比全國人數是1比1420日本的數據啊我現在舉三個地方的數據日本的數據是 |
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1比461美國是1比471 |
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香港的社工人力配置最健全香港是1比267大概都比台灣多出3到5倍我們人力短缺其實也已經我剛才講過光是在這個委員會我就已經提過好幾次 |
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我們現在要保障兒少的權益當然還是必須要有一定的社工人力可以去維持社安網等等的福利政策的確實運作想請問一下部長,部長你就是好好的回答我們長期面對人力不足這個議題在未來 |
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部裡面這邊有沒有什麼持續精進的相關政策大概從幾方面跟委員說明第一個當然這個社工的人力我們持續在補助地方政府所以希望持續的去增加那麼包含在我們社安網裡面我們目前114年是這個多禁用4000多人未來到119希望增加到9000人這個我們會持續的第一個 |
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當然有缺也要有錢所以第二個就是薪資上也希望能夠調升讓這個人願意進來也能夠留人那第三個當然還有他的工作條件也應該要能夠讓他們覺得在這個工作待遇之外能夠學用合一還有職業的安全還有繼續的教育職業的發展等等這些也都要兼顧所以大概 |
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我們對他的那個進階啊資料也都有原本要談薪資的問題部長倒是講到一個重點就是工作環境跟條件的改善怎麼去做啊其實我覺得加薪的部分就是只要政府不要 |
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不要亂普罰現金其實錢的部分比較好處理那工作環境跟條件部長這邊有沒有什麼想法改善的部分大概有幾個就是說第一個齁這個 |
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在這個我們的職業的安全上去強化一個是職業安全第二個就是說導入一些這個AI或數位的工具去降低他們的這個paper work工作輔助對 他們每次做一件事情就要寫好多資料如果能夠透過資訊串流的方式降低他repeat做這些事情那當然還有就是 |
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進階啦讓他能夠有這個進階社工的進階的這個制度出來那部長剛才講了三個方面我覺得在沒關係沒關係 |
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我覺得在工作輔助的部分是不是這個就是有設備就可以做這個是不是可以先做因為職場安全的部分這個涉及的面向比較廣可能比較困難資訊的部分能不能我們在社安網2.0裡面有把它納進來有那什麼時候 |
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什麼時候?今年就開始做了今年啊?對因為改善工作環境跟條件才能夠因為是這樣子嘛就是人力不足假如說他的有一部分是薪資的問題有一部分是工作環境跟條件的問題工作環境跟條件搞不好影響面大於薪資 |
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那我現在還是講一下薪資就是我之前有提過也感謝部裡面這邊就是我們現在社工的部分就是只要通過考核每年月薪會加一千那是七年就到頂那也不可能我說真的也不可能說繼續每一年都加一千可是到頂了以後 |
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我們要怎麼去讓社工可以 |
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留得住這個問題要及早去思考啦因為譬如說23歲大學畢業他就投入社工的行列那30歲一到他的薪資就到頂這個也蠻麻煩的啦好不好就是說我先講我的看法就是說要每一年都一直加一千 |
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可能也不大可能啦不過要怎麼因應七年到頂以後的誘因這個部長可能要對我們來思考看看有時候到頂之後呢轉成像績效的獎金還是什麼設計把那個年資也納入他的績效獎金也感謝衛福部其實算是很有 |
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很有誠意啦 因為我看的資料好像社工也跟著公務人員的調薪在調不過這裡有一個問題就是我看這幾年的公職報考人數是逐年降低表示公務員的薪資跟薪資的調整方式 |
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的誘因不高了啦假如只是單純的我們想說七年到了就直接停跟著公務員這樣子調可能社工還是會留不住啦這個跟部長提醒一下部長我這邊因為時間的關係所以可能這是一個很嚴重的問題就是 |
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等我這裡的數據是比較老一點就是2017年衛福部有委託台大進行了台灣第一個全國性兒少精神疾病的調查那調查的結果台灣的兒少裡面大概有12%的人患有焦慮症那有1% |
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有憂鬱症有將近三分之一的兒童有精神方面的疾病必須要進一步的專業評估跟協助就是情緒障礙等等那我今天就直接把把問題讓讓部長 |
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待會去做個思考啦不過這個我是一定會問因為為什麼呢因為現在可能少子化然後跟小孩子從小就接受3C跟人的互動 |
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欠缺所以有很多小孩子都有社恐的問題社交恐懼跟社交障礙的問題這個問題我們不想辦法來做個因應確實不行那我還是不佔用大家的時間不過這個問題我下次會 |
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青少年的心理健康特別是人際關係的部分這個可想而知因為少子化所以在家裡本來就沒有互動像我朋友有很多迷你國小一個年紀就一個學生這個很悲慘 |
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這個是比學習不足更嚴重的一件事情就是群性的培養從小就嚴重欠缺等等的問題我們再找個時間好好地探討好不好好 謝謝主席好 謝謝楊耀委員 |
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謝謝召委。 |
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召委，請一下石部長。 |
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主席 |
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來，請石部長。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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楊委員好。 |
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部長好。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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部長，我們今天討論兒少福利權益保障法，當然法律的規定沒有一定的人力支撐，其實什麼法都是空談啦！ |
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楊委員曜 |
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所以我還是先跟你討論一下我們現在國內社工人力的問題。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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其實臺灣長期存在著社工人力不足的問題，這個我們在委員會已經講過好幾次了。 |
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根據衛福部的統計資料，在2022年底的時候，我國的社工專職人數是一萬八千多；服務的比例，就是用社工人數來對比全國人數是1：1,420。 |
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我現在舉3個地方的數據。 |
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日本的數據是1：461、美國是1：471；香港的社工人力配置最健全，香港是1：267，大概都比臺灣多出3到5倍。 |
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我們人力短缺的問題，我剛才講過了，光是在這個委員會我就已經提過好幾次了。 |
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我們現在要保障兒少的權益，當然還是必須要有一定的社工人力可以去維持社安網等等福利政策的確實運作。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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想請問一下，部長你就是好好地回答。 |
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楊委員曜 |
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我們長期面對人力不足的議題，未來部裡面有沒有什麼持續精進的相關政策？ |
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石部長崇良 |
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有，大概從幾方面跟委員說明。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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第一個，當然社工的人力我們持續在補助地方政府，所以希望持續地去增加。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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包含在我們社安網裡面，我們目前114年是多進用四千多人，未來到119年希望增加到9,000人，這個我們會持續進行。 |
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石部長崇良 |
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當然有缺也要有錢啦！ |
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石部長崇良 |
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2026-03-25T12:30:53.286000+08:00 |
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所以第二個就是薪資上也希望能夠調升，讓人願意進來，也能夠留人。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-25T12:30:53.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-25T12:30:56.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
第三個，當然還有他的工作條件。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-25T12:30:57.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-25T12:31:10.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
也應該要能夠讓他們覺得在工作待遇之外，能夠學用合一；還有職業的安全、繼續的教育及職涯的發展等等這些也都要兼顧。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.961 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-25T12:31:10.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-25T12:31:15.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
所以大概我們對他的進階、職涯都有…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-25T12:31:15.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-25T12:31:24.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
原本要談薪資的問題，部長倒是講到一個重點，就是工作環境跟條件的改善。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-25T12:31:26.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-25T12:31:27.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
怎麼去做啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-25T12:31:28.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-25T12:31:41.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
我覺得加薪的部分就是只要政府不要亂普發現金，其實錢的部分比較好處理。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-25T12:31:44.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-25T12:31:48.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
至於工作環境跟條件改善的部分，部長這邊有沒有什麼想法？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-25T12:31:49.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-25T12:31:51.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
大概有幾個。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-25T12:31:51.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:08.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
第一個，在我們的職業安全上去強化；第二個，就是導入一些AI或數位的工具去減輕他們的paperwork…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:08.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:09.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
工作輔助。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:09.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:12.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
他們每次做一件事情，就要寫好多資料。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:12.493000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:22.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
如果能夠透過資訊串流的方式，降低他repeat做這些事情，當然還有就是進階啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:22.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:28.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
讓他能夠有社工進階的制度出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:30.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:45.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
部長剛才講了三個方面，我覺得在工作輔助的部分，是不是就是有設備就可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:46.438000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:47.759000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
這個是不是可以先做？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:48.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:58.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
因為職場安全的部分涉及的面向比較廣，可能比較困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:58.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-25T12:32:58.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
資訊的部分能不能…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-25T12:32:59.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:00.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
有，我們在社安網2.0裡面有把它納進來。有？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-25T12:33:00.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:00.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-25T12:33:06.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:07.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
今年就開始做了。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-25T12:33:08.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:11.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
今年嗎？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-25T12:33:11.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:34.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
因為人力不足有一部分的原因是薪資的問題，有一部分是工作環境跟條件的問題，工作環境跟條件搞不好影響面大於薪資。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-25T12:33:35.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:37.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我現在還是講一下薪資的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-25T12:33:38.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:54.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我之前有提過，也感謝部裡面，就是我們現在社工的部分只要通過考核，每年月薪會加1,000元，7年就到頂。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-25T12:33:56.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-25T12:33:59.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我說真的，也不可能每一年都加1,000元啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:00.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:11.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
可是到頂了以後，我們要怎麼去讓社工可以留得住？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:12.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:14.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這個問題要及早去思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:16.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:28.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
譬如說，23歲大學畢業就投入社工的行列，30歲一到，他的薪資就到頂了，這個也滿麻煩的啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:29.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:30.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:32.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:37.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我先講我的看法，就是說要每一年都一直加1,000元也不大可能啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:39.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:43.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
不過要怎麼因應7年到頂以後的誘因？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:44.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:45.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
這個部長可能要…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:46.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-25T12:34:56.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
對，我們來思考看看，例如到頂之後，轉成像績效的獎金還是什麼樣的設計，把年資也納入他的績效獎金。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.884 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-25T12:34:57.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-25T12:35:11.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
也感謝衛福部，其實算是很有誠意，因為我看了資料，好像社工也跟著公務人員調薪在調。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-25T12:35:11.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-25T12:35:29.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
不過這裡有一個問題，就是我看這幾年的公職報考人數是逐年降低，表示公務員的薪資跟薪資調整方式的誘因不高了。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-25T12:35:30.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-25T12:35:42.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
假如只是單純地我們想說7年到了就直接停，跟著公務員這樣子調，可能社工還是會留不住啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-25T12:35:43.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-25T12:35:45.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這個跟部長提醒一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-25T12:35:45.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-25T12:35:46.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好，謝謝委員提醒。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-25T12:35:45.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-25T12:35:47.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
部長，因為時間的關係，這是一個很嚴重的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-25T12:35:57.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-25T12:36:12.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
可能我的數據是比較老一點，2017年衛福部有委託臺大進行了臺灣第一個全國性兒少精神疾病的調查。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-25T12:36:14.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-25T12:36:35.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
調查的結果，臺灣的兒少裡面大概有12%的人患有焦慮症，有1%有憂鬱症；有將近三分之一的兒童有精神方面的疾病，必須要進一步的專業評估跟協助，就是情緒障礙等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-25T12:36:37.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-25T12:36:46.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我今天就直接把問題讓部長帶回去做個思考，這個我是一定會問的。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-25T12:36:48.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:06.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
現在可能少子化，以及小孩子從小就接觸3C和跟人的互動欠缺，所以有很多小孩子都有社交恐懼跟社交障礙的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:06.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:11.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
這個問題我們不想辦法來做個因應確實不行啦！好。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:13.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:17.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我還是不占用大家的時間，不過這個問題我下次會…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:19.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:21.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我們會去注意青少年的心理健康問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:23.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:25.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
對，特別是人際關係的部分。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:26.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:26.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
這個可想而知啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:26.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:31.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
因為少子化，所以在家裡本來就沒有互動嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:31.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:37.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
像我澎湖有很多迷你國小，可能一個年級就一個學生，這個很悲慘啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:39.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:47.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
這個是比學習不足更嚴重的一件事情，就是群性的培養從小就嚴重欠缺。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:50.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:52.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
關於這些問題，我們再找個時間好好地探討，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
楊委員曜 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:52.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:52.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
好，謝謝部長、謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:52.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:53.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:52.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:52.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
好，謝謝楊曜委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-25T12:37:53.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-25T12:37:56.223857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
接下來請黃秀芳委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |