| IVOD_ID |
167912 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167912 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T12:08:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T12:21:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae86976b5f5434ed4b63b6bb65a2499b2af19eff9622767a8e046b0eefe8e5e5315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:08:31 - 12:21:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：審查
（一） 委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「學校衛生法第二十二條及第二十三條之三條文修正草案」案。
（二） 委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
（三） 委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條及第二十三條之三條文修正草案」案。
（四） 委員蔡其昌等21人擬具「學校衛生法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（五） 委員徐富癸等18人擬具「學校衛生法第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
（六） 委員萬美玲等28人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
（七） 委員洪孟楷等27人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
（八） 委員黃捷等17人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（九） 委員莊瑞雄等21人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（十） 委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（十一） 委員郭昱晴等28人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（十二） 委員鄭正鈐等16人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條及第二十三條之三條文修正草案」案。
（十三） 委員張宏陸等23人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（十四） 委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
（十五） 委員葉元之等20人擬具「學校衛生法第二十四條條文修正草案」案。
（十六） 委員邱鎮軍等19人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
（十七） 委員徐富癸等17人擬具「學校衛生法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。
（十八） 委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（十九） 委員林俊憲等18人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（二十） 委員王鴻薇等18人擬具「學校衛生法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。
（二十一） 委員萬美玲等16人擬具「學校衛生法第五條條文修正草案」案。
（二十二） 委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「學校衛生法第十九條條文修正草案」案。
（二十三） 委員徐富癸等16人擬具「學校衛生法第十九條條文修正草案」案。
（二十四） 委員林淑芬等22人擬具「學校衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案。
（二十五） 委員羅智強等17人擬具「學校衛生法第十一條條文修正草案」案。
（二十六） 委員魯明哲等18人擬具「學校衛生法第十六條條文修正草案」案。
（二十七） 委員魯明哲等18人擬具「學校衛生法第十七條條文修正草案」案。
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接下來我們請蘇清泉委員發言蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在接下來我們請羅廷偉召委發言謝謝主席有請我們次長還有衛福部的許組長好 委員好 |
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好 次昌好 次昌我想今天我擔任召委也都聽了一整天大家的質詢大概也都了解一些脈絡但是我想我不希望我們的孩子在學校營養午餐使用到任何含有瘦肉精的一個肉品所以在這一次我提案學校衛生法第二三條條文修正主張就是已經瘦體素的肉品不能夠用於學校的膳食 |
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那對此呢我也想請問教育部的立場是不是不希望我們的孩子在學校營養午餐使用到含有瘦肉精的肉品我們鼓勵一律採取國產食材包括肉品對不起我有點震撼因為我的 |
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助理寫說你會講一律使用國產肉品就真的就回答這樣子我們現在共同公民契約足字都沒有更動但是我當然知道你會這樣回答我當然知道你會這樣回答問題是我希望你能夠回答的是是或不是究竟教育部的立場是不是希望我們的孩子不要使用到含有瘦肉精的肉品 |
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希望不要使用到瘦肉精的肉品我覺得這個我們尊重啦就是說我們一般來講就是我們用這個是鼓勵使用國產的食材嘛那有些家長會擔心有些家長覺得無所謂但我們認為有些家長覺得無所謂 |
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我是認為少數啦你按照國際標準有的會有少數啦對對對所以我的意思就是說我知道我們家長會有擔憂嘛那我們當然如果在這種情況下我們採取的方式是用共同供應契約來使用國產的肉品那事實上從五年前2020年底所有的學校一樣我知道共同供應契約都不約了到換學為止都是零對都是零是說有效來防止所以在今天我要先跟大家特別講 |
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從你擔任到立委到現在你是次長我們目前都是零零食用到瘦肉精所以這是大家共同的努力以過往的努力也是現在最重要的政績因此已經有這麼好的成績相信入法也一定不會有問題相信入法也一定不會有任何的衝擊相信 |
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哪怕入法也不會對於台美關係有任何的申辯依農業部現在動物用藥藥品的一個管理法公告乙型受體素被列為禁止國內製造輸入販售跟使用的動物用藥的一個禁藥所以台灣是禁用乙型受體素所以次長那就對了因為國內禁用 |
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所以你們規定一律使用國產肉品的情況之下就不會用到所以既然教育部的立場這麼清楚所以我認為直接從母法去修修母法會有哪些問題 |
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我看不懂我們不會我們尊重委員的主張好謝謝你謝謝你這麼清楚明確的回答所以我想今天學校衛生法的第二三條那麼重要的條文第三項也只規定應優先而已所以採用中央農業主管機關認證的在地優良農業產品而不是一律所以如果沒有優先使用怎麼辦 |
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因為我們是尊重法律的精神但是在契約裡面是採一律就是等於禁止使用我想這個是一個立法技術的問題跟政策技術的問題我們用這樣的工具就能夠杜絕家長擔心使用到含奶的肉品 |
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對 那目前五年來事實上也是這樣子所以我認為說一定要入法一定要入法才能夠進訣那是不是有那個 剛才那個那個農業部 衛福部他們也有提到說事實上我們現在有關動物身上的殘留藥品的種類相當多那單挑這個那個乙型受體素這個有時候要列那是不是其他的我們就 |
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當然其他的也會有一些擔憂嘛,會不會有個體要修法,或者是關於肉案,不管是添加物、農藥。剛才黃委員有提到說,我們的國產肉品,尤其豬肉,雖然我們禁止,但是有查到嘛,那事實上我們的衛福部或者是食藥署這邊,他們其實在坊間的肉品也在查驗,那過去在查驗裡面是沒有被查驗到的。 |
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開宗明義就講嘛過去到現在是零嘛那這是你過去我們共同努力啦民意代表到現在擔任行政官員都有的努力的過程所以把它入法也都是希望能夠更直接明確我想學校營養午餐吃的最多就是豬肉但是調製我們現在的一個製品調理製品要怎麼樣去做一個把關醃肉排炸排骨 |
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他不是到學校才醃製啊是加工業者原本就做好的所以如果午餐的食材啊肉品供應製造者惡意以美國進口的廉價瘦肉精豬肉混充國產豬肉的時候怎麼防範這個部分抽煙的機制你有先了解嗎那也請衛福部稍微能夠回答一下 |
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那關於這個學校營養午餐的部分呢這個部分我們每年都會規劃稽查的專案那也會協調地方衛生局針對供應學校午餐的團散業者進行這個稽查跟抽驗那每學期都會稽查一次然後也會抽驗至少一件 |
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那以這個近年12年到14年來看的話我們大概有抽這個學校自設廚房大概有1800家次那這個自設廚房的部分也有將近這個抽驗的成品也有2100多件那團山業者的話平均每年也會抽700到800件以上報告 |
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所以基本上你們是透過營養午餐保留食材去做後續的抽驗還是會以食材還未烹煮之前就會去做多數的抽驗呢因為像我剛剛講的它不是供應在我們的架上或者是我們在外面的販賣它是可能自己大量的進口然後如果作為醃製品啊然後來充當這個國產豬肉 |
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阿這個部分請問有沒有防範的機制或者是抽檢的機制是跟呃跟我連報告好那至於這個抽驗的部分就包括成品跟半成品那也包括豬肉跟其他的食材都是在我們的一個抽驗範圍好 |
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那請問一下衛福部在美國的市場裡,請問你有沒有聽過NFBAP?是,報告委員有。好,我想它是在美國一個很重要的一個關鍵制度。那關機衛福部2022年美國豬肉的查核報告第五頁呢,我想這個制度就是很清楚的講明,是從未餵食以行受體數的一個計畫。 |
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而NFBAP是經美國農業行銷署認證再者我們看到第54頁參與NFBAP的租資未使用萊克多巴胺符合這個制度可以出口到中國大陸若減出但低於最高容許量可銷往中國非中國市場含美國國內 |
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所以根據我手上的資料從113年到114年我們看到整個蘇台的美國豬肉生產設施大概有46家有26家參與這一項計畫NFBAP那有總共還有20家未參與這項計畫 |
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所以次長如果台灣進口美國豬全都是NFBAP豬那我就同意學校衛生法23條維持現行條文那如果不是而是繼續讓這個政府維持現狀一方面開放非NFBAP的美豬書台另一方面學校衛生法只寫 |
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我們現在維持現狀的狀況然後用契約的方式然後沒有明文禁止以行授體術漏品進入我們的學校營養午餐那我想我沒有理由不主張修不修法 |
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去補上這一道最後孩子的安全閘門所以這是我們的一個理念我們的一個想法那謝謝你的尊重那我想過去我所認識的張亮萬間為人他有一句很重要一句話給孩子更好的未來這是您過去所主打的孩子就是未來對不起孩子就是未來對不起給孩子更好的未來是我的我忘記了 |
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所以練了朗朗上口,您是孩子就是未來所以我想我們都有一個最重要理念就是孩子永遠擺第一我想這是手段上跟政策工具上的不同但是我們的目標都是一致至少不要講說不支持的話就是支持來租進校園 |
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我沒有說我剛剛都說你當任立委到行政官員的時候我剛好提到嘛我就說過去這樣主張就會貼這個標籤對 我想每一個過去的努力我們都歷歷在目謝謝委員的肯定啦所以說我們也沒有支持再我要順便再提問那不管是我剛剛一直在講的我們這個所謂的這個老師的終點費現在有漲了但是因為課後照顧啊寒暑假啊 |
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阿這個部分有聽到兩個月內會給我們再消息嗎?對不對?真的是要特別拜託,因為也已經...三個月,跟地方政府協商不能給我們三個月嗎?三個月?我怎麼記得剛剛是跟我講兩個月?沒有,兩個月是我們研議之後還要跟地方談嘛學習歷程才三個月吧?剛剛魂委員聽我們說明也覺得蠻複雜的,他是給我們三個月 |
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那個跟家長收費的部分目前是這個部分啦我已經剛才提過只要不是跟家長收費的部分譬如說連那個特教家級本來從2月1號開始的我們後來好像也同意朝那個方向就是說我們可以做的我們都盡量做了那接下來就是委員所關心的這個部分我們可能要跟地方政府再協商所以給我們一點時間 |
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好,最後要提的就是我想這次特別還要修法的原因是因為我們看到這麼多這麼多的一個狀況有關於學生自殺、自傷那學生心理輔導法也已經三讀完成但後續希望透過更多的法律透過更多的工具來接觸每一個孩子那還有所謂的月經貧窮所遇到的狀況 |
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都是我們這次修法理念很重要的一個初衷之一也希望教育部能夠全力的來支持未來不管是三讀通過以後能夠加速進行推其成然後學校心理輔導的人員趕緊加速盤點然後進場然後幫他們加薪讓吸收人才最後讓孩子能夠一一接觸這個還要特別拜託次長孩子就是未來這是你說的也是我認同的我們一起加油好 謝謝 |
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謝謝羅廷偉 |