| IVOD_ID |
167867 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167867 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T10:52:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T11:03:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:10 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae7826c4be5966996f9e5efe6b22224a4d4b8922a2b60b811dff2541df1b7df3cd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:52:01 - 11:03:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
【3月25日及26日兩天一次會】） |
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你竣竹來巡堂主席 在堂委員 先進列席的政府軍事長官員會長 工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生辛苦了 有請人事長 蘇人事長請人事長委員長人事長 你感覺一下你覺得我們台灣的職場對育兒的家庭有不友善 |
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有 越來越好但是還有改善的空間嘛當然 當然但是我看到最近的一個DECA他說 哎呀2月4日出生6千多人啊大家去看一看職場怎麼對待那些有新的出來有孩子要照顧的家庭政府在這個育嬰的友善我們的軍公教育嬰的這個待遇上有做了哪些事情職場友善育嬰 |
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是不是有家庭照顧假 改成用小食為單位臨時小孩發燒要看病 趕快可以回去處理 對不對育嬰留職聽心 我們最長三年 現在可以用天來放 對不對啊為什麼要用天有時剛好要帶孩子去 要送孩子 是啦 同等三年六歲以下一次最長三年 但是超過一年我就要請他直帶 是不是這樣 |
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所以我們看一看 照顧假孕留職停薪有沒有真的友善到育嬰我們往下給我舉個案例我最近接受了一個陳情陳情人是配偶這個媽媽帶著兩個小孩都未滿六歲她先生在軍公教的單位服務因為她帶兩個小孩沒有辦法就業老公一度 他必須兩次請育嬰留職停薪來照顧家庭合理嘛 對不對 |
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但是他最近呢 這個結束暈流池停薪 他本來在屏東服務回去上班的時候呢 告訴他說你的缺 因為你暈流池很長我們單位需要人力 所以把你的缺放在桃園因為單位缺人比較沒有關係 你覺得這樣合不合理因為我們這個單位 我們人不能站一站 所以你的客人我們把他送去桃園 |
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你覺得這樣合理嗎桃園區還是桃園市不管在桃園區桃園市啦沒有合理啦桃園啦 桃園啦不是高雄的桃園區啦沒有合理嘛沒有合理我照顧孩子我行政運流是停薪機關單位也給我停但是我要回去上班說你現在要去桃園上班拜託我在屏東要怎麼顧家庭你覺得有這種狀況人事總署你們會不會要求要跟要怎麼樣去改變要改正要怎麼要求 |
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人總會不會去要求機關不可以這樣子我們的留庭辦法是有規定啦有規定怎樣來我們看一下要規定要回去原來的所在你不可以到南部或到北部你這樣意思就是要交談 |
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他不是說他不用說糟蹋喔他說我們這個單位我們有邊線筆我還說邊線筆就等於什麼單位啦我們需要每個位置上有人那因為你運流是停薪 你的缺我把它移到後勤單位後勤單位缺人比較沒關係國安部你們管不管管還沒管到好 說不出來的事情誰來管 |
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軍公教人員是不是都有預薪留職提薪的保障有嘛齁 所以公教你管 國防部誰管國防部大家管還是我問國防部什麼人才可以管得到人質 人質次長室啊好 人質次長室齁 其實人質次長不是要跟你為難啦 |
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大家都說軍公教是政府僱用的人員啦 軍公教都黏著會啦公教你可以保證 公教發生這個事情不可思議但是部隊發生這個事情 你覺得會不會無奈但是你認為合理上是不是軍公教都要遺失 甚至民間企業都應該這樣子是不是這樣 你的看法呢我認同委員的看法好 來 再來 |
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所以剛才林委員說我們的育嬰留職提醒的辦法當中他其實辦法寫說除了因為精檢整病改制應該以回復原職務為限定在我們的公職人員還好沒有軍也沒有公是公職人員如果我們要把這個保障擴大到軍跟教甚至民間企業或許我們這個法律要進一步加強你同意嗎同意好 來 請問人事長下一個 |
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公務員崩潰中這個雜誌說外交部缺而破四層台北市成為缺工的首都不說不去 保證這有嚴重嗎 什麼原因造成的 |
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這個受理有一點不實啦比較誇大他沒有把駐外單位的這些外交部先不論了啦台北市公務人員要去吃功課台北市兩省外經濟市要一省台北市立聯合醫院醫護醫院也是醫院的部門績效導向所以剛好用一些有證照的有證照但不是戰缺的啦對啦OK好來我們看一下來最後一個問題了 |
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公務人員缺額擴大 職貸的需求日增我們出缺職務 如果是提列考試分發的或者說非出缺在見任以下非主管的職務執行長一代以上我們就會聘職貸嘛 職務代理人嘛 對吧請問職貸的資格跟條件有沒有限制一般都會限條件限條件 台北一雙 對吧但是約聘跟約顧有什麼差別約聘跟約顧有什麼差別 |
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那做的工作也沒工 待遇也沒工待遇沒工啦你們知不知道目前公家機關缺缺人 聘職代用約顧的多還是約聘的多 |
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都要月顧那麼多對嘛 月顧那麼瘦那麼爽那麼爽啦所以你要知道我們約聘戶都是自薪自低 權力保障弱我們的職務能力就有差別啊所以常常說有代理沒處理什麼意思我這個機關我現在有人兼任以下非主管我就聘個職代我用幼狗的來請對不對請我請一個幼狗的但是做的工具是不是來妻子等的 |
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鑑認到八值等到九值等如果出現那個是七八九的值等的這個時候他做的事情是約顧人員約顧人員你要看多少你可不可以知道三萬塊起跳嘛是不是要大學畢業嘛還是高中畢業他能夠處理嗎 |
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沒辦法嘛是不是這樣所以叫做有代理沒有處理再往下看那什麼叫做代理什麼叫做直代有沒有看過高年級實習生看到這個美女這是十幾年前的電影了啦 |
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林市長有沒有看過高年級實習生這部電影我有特別看你有特別看嗎我相信你不只是看美女還看這個男主角他是企業高階主管退休然後呢去當什麼實習生後來有一個偶然的機會扮演代理司機代班司機老闆發現他很好用啊很專業啊是不是這樣有沒有看過棒球比賽棒球比賽的投手有什麼有中繼投手中繼投手是菜鳥嗎 |
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很多都是資深的投手意思說當我們需要代班代理不是代班還要負起責任要有能力跟專業你同意嗎 |
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同意但是我們現在的常態上是用約顧用低薪聘一些來沖人手的人我們並沒有辦法去詳細的去考較說請來這個人是不是可以做官來這個節目職務代理不是代理薪水啊還要代為處理啊還要代扛責任對不對是什麼樣的 |
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委員你這個問題我們會好好研究啦所以說 我覺得你的職務代理人不是課不上講這個不是說找不到套路的不是課名義代表勤勤應請 客觀的去公開去做代理的因為月聘戶或職務代理要考試嗎 不見得要考試所以他的人力的素質 其實你們要怎樣要鼓勵什麼 重返職場的現在很多人有專業 但他不做專職啊 為什麼 |
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所以你看跟前面的育嬰留職挺薪有沒有很像育嬰留職挺薪為什麼會把他的缺丟到很遠的地方去因為他找不到能夠取代他職能相稱的職代啦所以說我們要建立可擔任職代的人的人才庫很多人他不一定要做全職不一定要做專職但是呢我可以當中繼投手你有欠人我給你投一局可不可以 |
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呃 認同委員的看法好 所以最後的責任齁所以解方建立職務代理人的分級人才庫薪資待遇權益要把它分出來職代的業務能力你要保證以後有這些的事情沒有讓專業的人來擔任職代來代理才能確保行政效率 服務品質可以考慮嗎 |
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我們回去會努力來設計一個比較可行的一個有一個比較快的方法 你先請同仁把過去這幾年 三年或五年 看你們的資料啦全國的職代用約聘的是多少 約僱的是多少平均的約僱薪水是領多少 約僱的是領多少然後他們的 |
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程度 教育程度他們的專業能力有沒有具有專業的證照做個調查可以嗎這樣就知道說我們公家機關缺工的時候或者遇到留職 留停的時候呢我們找來的 找到 找到 趁手的職代來接替這樣好不好好 謝謝最後確保育嬰留停有合理的回職範圍包括軍公教第二 建立支付代理人的分級跟人才庫什麼時候可以提供 |
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最近三年內我們所有你們主管的公家機關他們聘用的職務代理人是用約聘還是約僱 |
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各薪水的分布怎麼樣進來的人員他的教育程度具有的專業正道的情況又是如何還是說只要有高中畢業有親戚關係我就請你來當職代反正在那裡也不用實際的做什麼太多的事情那育嬰留庭的部分如果有好的職代其實機關就不用什麼部隊就不用把什麼把人啊把缺掉去錢的地方去讓育嬰留庭回來的人找不到地方上班好不好好 謝謝 |