iVOD / 167865

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IVOD_ID 167865
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167865
日期 2026-03-25
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-19-4
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 4
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 19
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 經濟委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-03-25T10:51:42+08:00
結束時間 2026-03-25T11:00:32+08:00
影片長度 00:08:50
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員發言時間 10:51:42 - 11:00:32
會議時間 2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議(事由:邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。 邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 能源政策跨部會要立即檢討也認為核電是乾淨的能源在113年6月5號經濟部當時的書面報告裡面也提到核電是否研議涉及修法議題本部就進一步尊重大院的審議及大討論可確保核安處理核廢料及社會共識的一個重要前提
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 我們的那個我剛有跟委員報告就是我們核二廠核三廠的技術人員原則上因為那個我們設備維護還有一些燃料池裡面有燃料棒我們都維持原來的編制這個已經退休的
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 相關的這些需要去加強但是國外國外絕對有很多的可以借進的地方國外絕對有很多可以借進的地方當然跟台灣的地理環境各方面也有所不同但是怎麼樣去那個精進讓核廢料不要成為一個新的另外一個課題
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 所以這個都要請台電公司經濟部去加油了接下來就請董事長回座
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 部長這個馬太安溪驗射服潰敵潰壩之後相關的這些水利署的同仁都在積極的去針對無論是這個砂石包括這個土石包括這些堤防第一道堤防都差不多了現在是第二道堤防這個第二道堤防
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 這個時間也很急迫沒有錯請問一下署長你們整個工程相關的工程的經費
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 夠不夠報告委員這個經費我們目前在執行上面我們都是超前的所以稍微有點不足但是都有跟院裡面報告在做適當調度沒有問題我們全力在敢辦一定要以這個為最優先因為行政院第一個行政院有15億的一倍金300億裡面編了270億
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 特別預算其中還有15億在行政院的一倍金另外還有30億還沒有編的預算報告委員這個部分行政院都搭理支持水利署推動各項工作沒有問題都有適當的報告但是很重要的就是尤其是原住民我們很多的土地祖先留下來的土地一直在使用的土地
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 我們都沒有所有錢很多因素包括你的那個說不能取得所有錢那些你們的規定讓我們原住民使用祖先的土地切不能這涉及到未來的
transcript.whisperx[19].start 465.12
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 謝謝署長 謝謝部長因為上次我開過協調會
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 我開協調會的時候也是朝這個方向謝謝你們能夠掌握這個方向只要是行政機關從鄉鎮公所縣政府研問會審查結果是符合的雖然還沒有完成整個所有錢的這個移轉希望能夠把它列為可以徵收補償的一個對象這個要特別謝謝但是要繼續加油繼續努力最後這個就把這個
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 建市館河川及排水整體改善計畫現在目前核定的情形一個素面報告給我可以嗎一個禮拜可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝鄭天才維
transcript.gazette[0].speaker 鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員
transcript.gazette[0].start 2026-03-25T10:51:44.508000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[0].text 召委,請部長。
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transcript.gazette[1].start 2026-03-25T10:52:03.319000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[1].text 請龔部長。
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transcript.gazette[2].speaker 鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員
transcript.gazette[2].start 2026-03-25T10:52:05+08:00
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transcript.gazette[2].text 還有台電公司董事長。
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transcript.gazette[3].start 2026-03-25T10:52:06.341000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[3].text 請台電曾文生董事長。
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transcript.gazette[4].start 2026-03-25T10:52:07.942000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[4].text 部長好、董事長好。
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transcript.gazette[5].speaker 鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員
transcript.gazette[5].start 2026-03-25T10:52:15.065000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[5].text 我們回顧,這個是在113年520之後的報導,當時的經濟部部長在答詢時表示,核電部分由多數人同意做決定,並透露有接獲總統指示,能源政策跨部會要立即檢討,也認為核電是乾淨的能源。
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transcript.gazette[6].start 2026-03-25T10:52:46.205000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[6].end 2026-03-25T10:53:07.018000+08:00
transcript.gazette[6].text 在113年6月5號經濟部的書面報告裡面也提到,核電是否延役涉及修法議題,經濟部尊重大院的審議及討論,但可確保核安、處理核廢料及有社會共識仍是重要前提。
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transcript.gazette[7].start 2026-03-25T10:53:10.355000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[7].end 2026-03-25T10:54:05.265000+08:00
transcript.gazette[7].text 在立法院的教育及文化委員會審查核管法修法之前先召開了公聽會,特別請了童子賢來報告,他是總統府氣候變遷委員會的副召集人,當然不是到現場,他是用視訊,他當天特別提到,核電可以省N千億元,他也特別提到核二、核三的發電效率非常好,台電相關的成本會比購買風力、太陽能發電節省,每一度電的差距是5塊錢。
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transcript.gazette[8].start 2026-03-25T10:54:08.754000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[8].end 2026-03-25T10:54:35.246000+08:00
transcript.gazette[8].text 我們評估過去為什麼賴總統會請童子賢當這個副召集人,就一定有他的規劃,我發現過去郭智輝部長一開始是要往這個方向,但是後來不是那麼積極。
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transcript.gazette[9].start 2026-03-25T10:54:38.319000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[9].end 2026-03-25T10:55:24.371000+08:00
transcript.gazette[9].text 簡報上是核管法修法表決的結果,賴清德總統謝謝立法院能夠通過核管法的修法,當然這個是非常艱辛的,所以接下來就是經濟部、台電跟核安會的工作,當然最重要的是台電,因為最有經驗的就是台電,最了解的也是台電,所以這個部分相關的子法,包括相關的計畫,包括需要提出的,你們的報告都有提到了。
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transcript.gazette[10].speaker 鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員
transcript.gazette[10].start 2026-03-25T10:55:26.893000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[10].end 2026-03-25T10:55:52.271000+08:00
transcript.gazette[10].text 現在整個推動若能夠加速就加速,但是因為已經停了,尤其是核二,核三是剛停沒多久,董事長,這些工作人員、技術人員很重要。
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transcript.gazette[11].speaker 曾董事長文生
transcript.gazette[11].start 2026-03-25T10:55:56.189000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[11].end 2026-03-25T10:56:06.537000+08:00
transcript.gazette[11].text 是,我剛才有跟委員報告,我們核二廠、核三廠的技術人員,原則上因為我們的設備維護,還有一些燃料池裡面有燃料棒,所以我們都維持原來的編制。
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transcript.gazette[12].start 2026-03-25T10:56:09.799000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[12].end 2026-03-25T10:56:20.429000+08:00
transcript.gazette[12].text 已經退休的這些人員也很重要,可以請他們多指導現在的人員。
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transcript.gazette[13].speaker 曾董事長文生
transcript.gazette[13].start 2026-03-25T10:56:20.429000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[13].text 跟委員報告,您提到這一點,其實台電公司的人才退休以後如果有可能……第一個,因為很多民間公司找他們,那核能當然比較不可能,如果這裡面有一些人才可以協助,其實我們最近也在找相關的人才,尤其是運轉執照都需要經驗傳承,這個部分我們一定也會借重有經驗同仁的能力。
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transcript.gazette[14].start 2026-03-25T10:56:45.196000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[14].text 好,加油。
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transcript.gazette[15].start 2026-03-25T10:56:47.618000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[15].end 2026-03-25T10:57:29.044000+08:00
transcript.gazette[15].text 再來很重要的當然就是核廢料的處理,其實就臺灣來講,核廢料相關的處理需要去加強,但是國外絕對有很多可以借鏡的地方,當然會跟臺灣的地理環境、各方面有所不同,但是怎麼樣能夠去精進,不要讓核廢料成為另外一個新的課題,這個部分都要請台電公司、經濟部能夠去加油。好。
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transcript.gazette[16].start 2026-03-25T10:57:32.585000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[16].text 請董事長回座。
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transcript.gazette[17].start 2026-03-25T10:57:34.674000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[17].text 部長,馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰堤、潰壩之後,水利署的相關同仁都在積極處理,無論是針對沙石、土石,還有堤防的復建工程,現在第一道堤防已經差不多了,要辦理第二道堤防,第二道堤防工程的時間也很急迫,請問署長,你們整個工程相關的工程經費夠不夠?
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transcript.gazette[18].speaker 林署長元鵬
transcript.gazette[18].start 2026-03-25T10:58:18.294000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[18].text 報告委員,我們目前在執行上面都是超前,所以經費稍微有點不足,但是都有跟院裡報告,有做適當調度,沒有問題,我們全力在趕辦。
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transcript.gazette[19].start 2026-03-25T10:58:32.425000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[19].text 好,一定要以這個為最優先,因為第一個,行政院有15億的預備金,特別預算300億裡面編了270億,還有15億在行政院的預備金,另外還有30億還沒有編列。
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transcript.gazette[20].start 2026-03-25T10:58:52.870000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[20].text 報告委員,這個部分行政院都大力支持水利署推動各項工作,沒有問題,都有適當的報告。
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transcript.gazette[21].start 2026-03-25T10:59:00.855000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[21].text 但是很重要的是,尤其是原住民,我們很多土地,祖先留下來的土地、一直在使用的土地,我們都沒有所有權,這有很多因素,包括你們那些不能取得所有權的規定,讓我們原住民使用祖先的土地,卻不能取得所有權,這涉及到未來的補償。
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transcript.gazette[22].speaker 林署長元鵬
transcript.gazette[22].start 2026-03-25T10:59:26.499000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[22].text 報告委員,這個部分已經有律定了,為了讓原住民的權利最大化,只要在進行增劃編中的土地,我們視同私有土地來進行後續的補償作業。
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transcript.gazette[23].start 2026-03-25T10:59:27.120000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[23].text 好,謝謝署長,謝謝部長,因為上次我開過協調會,我也是朝這個方向,謝謝你們能夠掌握這個方向,只要是行政機關,從鄉鎮公所、縣政府、原民會,審查結果是符合的,雖然還沒有完成整個所有權的移轉,希望能夠把它列為可以徵收補償的對象,這個要特別謝謝,但是要繼續加油、繼續努力。
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transcript.gazette[24].start 2026-03-25T11:00:13.131000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[24].text 最後,把縣市管河川及排水整體改善計畫目前核定的情形,提個書面報告給我,一個禮拜,可以嗎?可以。
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transcript.gazette[25].start 2026-03-25T11:00:29.828000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[25].text 好,謝謝。
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transcript.gazette[26].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[26].start 2026-03-25T11:00:30.309000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[26].text 謝謝鄭天財委員。
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transcript.gazette[27].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[27].start 2026-03-25T11:00:30.809000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[27].end 2026-03-25T11:00:33.951857+08:00
transcript.gazette[27].text 希望經濟部也苦民所苦啦!
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transcript.gazette[28].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[28].start 2026-03-25T11:00:34.251857+08:00
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transcript.gazette[28].end 2026-03-25T11:00:37.109000+08:00
transcript.gazette[28].text 關於徵收經費補助這些。
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transcript.gazette[29].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[29].start 2026-03-25T11:00:37.409000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[29].text 下一位請林岱樺委員,謝謝。
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