| IVOD_ID |
167853 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167853 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T10:09:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T10:18:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae911ec58e2fb96d5b2ba03baa58d693135dcddfbaa3ed0a43231dcb1897cc80d85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:09:26 - 10:18:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員主席 在黨委員先進 列席的政務機關事長 官員會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者 女士先生有請拱部長然後前半段我要請 |
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能源署的吳代理署長 還有台電的曾董事長 以及地調中心的徐主任後半段呢 我要請產發署的蘇署長 以及中汽署的李署長在後面準備好 部長早部長 你有沒有騎過機車有 有買過機車 |
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買過嗎沒有 家人的如果有二行程機車跟電動機車你現在買會不會買二行程的 |
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應該不會 因為買電動機車 現在假設一個家庭有汽車 有二行程的後來買了電動機車之後 二行程的就把它放在倉庫 但是我沒有把它丟掉因為我想說哪天要是我的汽車保養 可能我需要一輛車或者電動機車停電 我沒有電我要加油用二行程 你覺得合不合理 |
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留著二行程沒有把它丟掉合理但是他比較佔位子當然啦就是我家空間大嘛 農家嘛但是如果有人說你家還是上大學可以集機車你再買一輛二行程的給他或者這輛二行程的再先給他用你會這樣考慮嗎 |
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還是要用心的 因為他要浪費是的 沒有錯現在啊 核電啊 重啟啊我們總統說的三原則 對不對核安無虞 核廢有解 社會共識那核安無虞其實呢 核電在運作的期間我們最怕的是什麼天災啦 人流破壞啦造成一些輻射大量外洩啦 對不對那對於核廢 哇 核廢到現在有解嗎還沒有嘛 對不對目前哪個國家可以完全的處理 |
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永遠的最終處置場有沒有 |
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芬蘭有在 芬蘭嘛 美國有沒有辦法美國有沒有最終組織廠 還沒有還沒有 但是美國很大 它很多沙漠很多岩盤 大家放心就好了好 所以我們往下看所以核電目前還在重啟它是像那個已經淘汰放倉庫的二行程萬一有什麼需要拿來備用還是說啊 這個車子還沒有完全壞小孩上大學我就給他騎你認為我們的核電的一個 |
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備援還是積載 未來如果重啟的話現在說還太早啦 因為不然我們幹嘛要準備重啟因為我們那個自主安全檢查能夠說這個廠可以發多久對 如果核電通過這個了 那就可以有時候可以緊急上場待命嘛 對不對我留著這個可能性嘛但這個可能性是備援還是說 以後我們要持續來用 |
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是 還是上大學交給他騎 還是萬一哪一天我車子送保養了我可以來代步是哪一種這個要自主安全檢查看他的狀況如果過的話 過的話你認為主要用途是什麼 社會形態是什麼曾董事長你認為你們台電要負責的是給他備援 還做機載 |
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我跟委員報告就是說我們真的所有的狀況都要視當時的用電的狀況然後國際因為牽涉到還有一些事情比方說燃料供應等一兩關的問題那當我們這段時間大家一起很努力的推動一些相關的自主能源像再生能源這些事情那這些比例都要一起來考慮好 所以我要告訴你這個孩子會大會需要一輛新的車要及早準備 |
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但是現在這個淘汰沒有壞掉的我隨時可以待命救援兩種需求我都考量到是不是這樣那我就要告訴你備援的跟積載的要分開來思考往下看其實現在我們AI半導體產業的需求暴增假如都用核電來供應以前核電停機之前的供電量通通回來最高到多少 |
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佔比多少 有沒有佔到10%差不多10%好 那未來如果我們的供應需求超過10%你就通通拉回來也不夠嘛所以我們一定要想的是說未來這些新增的剛性需求不是臨時的需求一定要找到什麼其他的替代能源往下看董事長有沒有在開發D呢 |
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對 我們其他的 包括你這邊提到現在低熱的情況是不是一個可預期的一個低熱跟其他的再生源不一樣喔光跟風有間歇性 低熱有沒有間歇性它可以當作基載好 可以當作基載 本來問董事長 你說可以當作基載好 地料所主任現在台電有沒有請你們幫忙積極去做低熱的開發的研究有 |
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有沒有什麼把握在多久期間內在我們未來用電量需求大增之前有沒有開發有沒有定制起想我們應該持續跟台電重力作合作好 努力中 來台電部長有沒有要求台電要想辦法在低熱發電有更積極的目標跟作為 |
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部長有沒有 有沒有要求像中游也有 中游是中游因為他們看清楚啦那個曾董事長你們有沒有要求 被要求說要加強低熱的開發往下看有 這一個題目已經我想說討論了非常久那當然還有一些工作喔就是在開發時間遇到的一些困難包括土地啊 尤其是地下的一些狀況所以有沒有定住一個目標我們希望在幾年前我們要達到什麼目標 |
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還沒有明確的目標部長要定出明確的目標如果用電需求有明確的預估我們的用供電的成長就有明確的目標可不可以可以可以多久那可以給我們一個基礎的一個原則或方向可以好來接下來下半題那個台電請回第二則來 |
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部長過去可能在你接任經濟部之前我們在2018年那時候的行政院長是現在的賴總統他推動了一個小店家行動優惠營業稅優惠1.0你知道這個事嗎我知道好 蘇組長那個時候這個事情是不是經濟部在協助推動的小店家大部分都是你們在服務嘛有沒有推動這個事情有 這個有是不是你們負責宣導的 |
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你們也有經費委託 包括像商研院或是其他的財產法人協助推廣 有沒有一般就是宣導說他有一些租稅優惠期間 是的好 後來有沒有青年創業他就用了這個優惠有沒有 你去輔導當然希望他用啊 那輔導半年有沒有成效 |
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跟委員報告因為他這個只要是使用行動支付在符合條件的一定是說有成效有沒有你扶老半天沒有人改用就可惜了嘛部長你認為應不應該要有成效有很多年輕人大部分都是用行動支付啦是的那你知道他落日了嗎他到2025年就沒有了叫1.0好再往下看 |
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那你也知道在疫情期間那時候你在國發會我有跟您提議過後來經濟部也採納了就是小店家的營業衝擊一戶一家4萬塊有沒有署長有沒有印象那時候我逼你逼得很急啊趕快要做是不是有做了多少很多嘛花了多少錢300多億嘛是不是金額可能要再確認一下大概360幾億塊370億部長 |
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所以這個事情小店家雖然為數眾多不到六十萬他五十幾萬他們的稅務供應不高可是是在我們民生的民眾交易的對象對不對好那我們再往下看那現在小規模營業人的行動制度有個2.0你知道嗎 |
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你知不知道來 署長知不知道對 就是前幾天財政部有對 不是前幾天他在去年底就公布了但是呢前幾天因為新聞鬧出來被誤會其實呢小店家就算他已經超過20萬開發票的門檻但是他如果用行動支付延續原來1.0或者用多媒體資訊服務機就什麼 |
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自助收銀點餐機就像你還去大型的食品連鎖店在門口你要戳一戳對不對是點餐跟收銀就一併處理了如果使用這樣的話還是維持一趴的優惠部長你覺得這對我們的小店家是不是個利多是要不要幫忙宣傳 |
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可以啊可以承諾這個經濟部要加緊來宣傳最後我們來看一下沒有了那最後已經到了所以經濟部長的這番話那為什麼找這種中企署來呢中企署其實除了我們商業署之外其實未來這些可適用這些多媒體自用服務機自助收銀點餐機的店家希望部長責成兩位署長 |
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積極的來輔導傳統商圈社區型的商圈還有青年創業的部分加起來輔導好不好好的好謝謝好謝謝宗教兵委員謝謝這個部長 |