| IVOD_ID |
167853 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167853 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T10:09:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T10:18:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baae911ec58e2fb96d5b2ba03baa58d693135dcddfbaa3ed0a43231dcb1897cc80d85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:09:26 - 10:18:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員主席 在黨委員先進 列席的政務機關事長 官員會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者 女士先生有請拱部長然後前半段我要請 |
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能源署的吳代理署長 還有台電的曾董事長 以及地調中心的徐主任後半段呢 我要請產發署的蘇署長 以及中汽署的李署長在後面準備好 部長早部長 你有沒有騎過機車有 有買過機車 |
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買過嗎沒有 家人的如果有二行程機車跟電動機車你現在買會不會買二行程的 |
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應該不會 因為買電動機車 現在假設一個家庭有汽車 有二行程的後來買了電動機車之後 二行程的就把它放在倉庫 但是我沒有把它丟掉因為我想說哪天要是我的汽車保養 可能我需要一輛車或者電動機車停電 我沒有電我要加油用二行程 你覺得合不合理 |
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留著二行程沒有把它丟掉合理但是他比較佔位子當然啦就是我家空間大嘛 農家嘛但是如果有人說你家還是上大學可以集機車你再買一輛二行程的給他或者這輛二行程的再先給他用你會這樣考慮嗎 |
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還是要用心的 因為他要浪費是的 沒有錯現在啊 核電啊 重啟啊我們總統說的三原則 對不對核安無虞 核廢有解 社會共識那核安無虞其實呢 核電在運作的期間我們最怕的是什麼天災啦 人流破壞啦造成一些輻射大量外洩啦 對不對那對於核廢 哇 核廢到現在有解嗎還沒有嘛 對不對目前哪個國家可以完全的處理 |
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永遠的最終處置場有沒有 |
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芬蘭有在 芬蘭嘛 美國有沒有辦法美國有沒有最終組織廠 還沒有還沒有 但是美國很大 它很多沙漠很多岩盤 大家放心就好了好 所以我們往下看所以核電目前還在重啟它是像那個已經淘汰放倉庫的二行程萬一有什麼需要拿來備用還是說啊 這個車子還沒有完全壞小孩上大學我就給他騎你認為我們的核電的一個 |
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備援還是積載 未來如果重啟的話現在說還太早啦 因為不然我們幹嘛要準備重啟因為我們那個自主安全檢查能夠說這個廠可以發多久對 如果核電通過這個了 那就可以有時候可以緊急上場待命嘛 對不對我留著這個可能性嘛但這個可能性是備援還是說 以後我們要持續來用 |
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是 還是上大學交給他騎 還是萬一哪一天我車子送保養了我可以來代步是哪一種這個要自主安全檢查看他的狀況如果過的話 過的話你認為主要用途是什麼 社會形態是什麼曾董事長你認為你們台電要負責的是給他備援 還做機載 |
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我跟委員報告就是說我們真的所有的狀況都要視當時的用電的狀況然後國際因為牽涉到還有一些事情比方說燃料供應等一兩關的問題那當我們這段時間大家一起很努力的推動一些相關的自主能源像再生能源這些事情那這些比例都要一起來考慮好 所以我要告訴你這個孩子會大會需要一輛新的車要及早準備 |
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但是現在這個淘汰沒有壞掉的我隨時可以待命救援兩種需求我都考量到是不是這樣那我就要告訴你備援的跟積載的要分開來思考往下看其實現在我們AI半導體產業的需求暴增假如都用核電來供應以前核電停機之前的供電量通通回來最高到多少 |
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佔比多少 有沒有佔到10%差不多10%好 那未來如果我們的供應需求超過10%你就通通拉回來也不夠嘛所以我們一定要想的是說未來這些新增的剛性需求不是臨時的需求一定要找到什麼其他的替代能源往下看董事長有沒有在開發D呢 |
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對 我們其他的 包括你這邊提到現在低熱的情況是不是一個可預期的一個低熱跟其他的再生源不一樣喔光跟風有間歇性 低熱有沒有間歇性它可以當作基載好 可以當作基載 本來問董事長 你說可以當作基載好 地料所主任現在台電有沒有請你們幫忙積極去做低熱的開發的研究有 |
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有沒有什麼把握在多久期間內在我們未來用電量需求大增之前有沒有開發有沒有定制起想我們應該持續跟台電重力作合作好 努力中 來台電部長有沒有要求台電要想辦法在低熱發電有更積極的目標跟作為 |
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部長有沒有 有沒有要求像中游也有 中游是中游因為他們看清楚啦那個曾董事長你們有沒有要求 被要求說要加強低熱的開發往下看有 這一個題目已經我想說討論了非常久那當然還有一些工作喔就是在開發時間遇到的一些困難包括土地啊 尤其是地下的一些狀況所以有沒有定住一個目標我們希望在幾年前我們要達到什麼目標 |
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還沒有明確的目標部長要定出明確的目標如果用電需求有明確的預估我們的用供電的成長就有明確的目標可不可以可以可以多久那可以給我們一個基礎的一個原則或方向可以好來接下來下半題那個台電請回第二則來 |
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部長過去可能在你接任經濟部之前我們在2018年那時候的行政院長是現在的賴總統他推動了一個小店家行動優惠營業稅優惠1.0你知道這個事嗎我知道好 蘇組長那個時候這個事情是不是經濟部在協助推動的小店家大部分都是你們在服務嘛有沒有推動這個事情有 這個有是不是你們負責宣導的 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
399.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
420.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
你們也有經費委託 包括像商研院或是其他的財產法人協助推廣 有沒有一般就是宣導說他有一些租稅優惠期間 是的好 後來有沒有青年創業他就用了這個優惠有沒有 你去輔導當然希望他用啊 那輔導半年有沒有成效 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
422.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
441.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
跟委員報告因為他這個只要是使用行動支付在符合條件的一定是說有成效有沒有你扶老半天沒有人改用就可惜了嘛部長你認為應不應該要有成效有很多年輕人大部分都是用行動支付啦是的那你知道他落日了嗎他到2025年就沒有了叫1.0好再往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
442.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
467.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那你也知道在疫情期間那時候你在國發會我有跟您提議過後來經濟部也採納了就是小店家的營業衝擊一戶一家4萬塊有沒有署長有沒有印象那時候我逼你逼得很急啊趕快要做是不是有做了多少很多嘛花了多少錢300多億嘛是不是金額可能要再確認一下大概360幾億塊370億部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
470.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
486.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
所以這個事情小店家雖然為數眾多不到六十萬他五十幾萬他們的稅務供應不高可是是在我們民生的民眾交易的對象對不對好那我們再往下看那現在小規模營業人的行動制度有個2.0你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
488.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
507.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
你知不知道來 署長知不知道對 就是前幾天財政部有對 不是前幾天他在去年底就公布了但是呢前幾天因為新聞鬧出來被誤會其實呢小店家就算他已經超過20萬開發票的門檻但是他如果用行動支付延續原來1.0或者用多媒體資訊服務機就什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
509.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
525.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
自助收銀點餐機就像你還去大型的食品連鎖店在門口你要戳一戳對不對是點餐跟收銀就一併處理了如果使用這樣的話還是維持一趴的優惠部長你覺得這對我們的小店家是不是個利多是要不要幫忙宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
526.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
551.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
可以啊可以承諾這個經濟部要加緊來宣傳最後我們來看一下沒有了那最後已經到了所以經濟部長的這番話那為什麼找這種中企署來呢中企署其實除了我們商業署之外其實未來這些可適用這些多媒體自用服務機自助收銀點餐機的店家希望部長責成兩位署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
552.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
559.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
積極的來輔導傳統商圈社區型的商圈還有青年創業的部分加起來輔導好不好好的好謝謝好謝謝宗教兵委員謝謝這個部長 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-25T10:09:41.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-25T10:09:45.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長、官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士、先生。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-25T10:09:46.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:05.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請龔部長，前半段我要請能源署的吳代理署長還有台電的曾董事長以及地調中心的徐主任，後半段我要請商發署的蘇署長以中企署的李署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:05.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:07.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
鍾委員早安。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:07.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:07.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長早。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:09.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:10.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長，你有沒有騎過機車？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:10.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:10.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
有買過機車？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:14.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:14.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
買過嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:14.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:14.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
還是沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:14.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:15.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
家人的。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:15.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:18.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
好，如果有二行程機車跟電動機車，你現在會不會買二行程的？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:22.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:22.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
應該不會，它比較污染。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:22.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:22.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
你會買電動機車？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:22.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:29.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
好，現在假設一個家庭有汽車、有輛二行程的，後來買了電動機車之後，就把二行程的放在倉庫，但是他沒有把它丟掉，因為他想哪天要是他的汽車保養，可能他需要一輛車，或者電動機車停電，他沒有電，他要加油用二行程，你覺得合不合理？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:47.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:48.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
留著二行程沒有丟掉？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:49.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:49.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
合理嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:50.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:51.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
但是它比較占位置。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:51.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-25T10:10:51.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
當然啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-25T10:10:52.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:02.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
就是他家空間大嘛，農家嘛，但是如果有人說他家小孩上大學，可以騎機車了，再買一輛二行程的給他，或者這輛二行程的先給他用，你會這樣考慮嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:04.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:07.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
還是要用新的，因為它比較浪費。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:07.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:08.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
是的，沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:08.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:13.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
現在核電重啟，我們總統說的三原則，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:13.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:20.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
核安無虞、核廢有解、社會共識，關於核安無虞，其實核電在運作期間，我們最怕的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:20.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:25.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
天災、人為破壞，造成一些輻射大量外洩，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:26.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:29.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
對於核廢，核廢到現在有解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:29.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:29.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
還沒有嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:30.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:30.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:30.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:34.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
目前哪個國家可以完全處理、永遠的最終處置場？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:34.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:35.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:37.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:38.439000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
芬蘭有在…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:38.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:40.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
芬蘭嘛，美國有沒有辦法？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:40.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:41.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
美國有沒有最終處置場？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:43.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:43.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
還沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:43.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-25T10:11:46.644000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
但是美國很大，他有很多沙漠、很多岩盤，他把它放進去就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-25T10:11:46.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:00.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，所以我們往下看，所以核電目前還在重啟，它就像已經淘汰放倉庫的二行程，萬一有什麼需要拿來備用，還是這個車子還沒有完全壞，小孩上大學，就給他騎？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:00.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:09.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
你認為我們的核電是備援還是基載，未來如果重啟的話？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:09.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:11.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
現在說還太早啦，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:11.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:13.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
不然我們幹嘛要準備重啟？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:13.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:19.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
因為那時候……我們的自主安全檢查能夠說這個廠可以發多久…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:20.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:26.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
對，如果核電通過這個，那就可以，有時候可以緊急上場待命嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:26.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:41.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我留著這個可能性嘛，但這個可能性是備援，還是以後我們要持續來用；是小孩上大學交給他騎，還是萬一哪天他車子送保養了，他可以拿來代步，是哪一種？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:41.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:43.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
這個要自主安全檢查，看它的狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:43.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:47.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
對啦，如果過的話啦，你認為主要用途是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:47.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:48.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
社會期待什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:48.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-25T10:12:52.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
曾董事長，你認為你們台電要負責的是讓它做備援還是基載？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-25T10:12:54.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-25T10:13:07.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
跟委員報告，所有的狀況都要視當時用電的狀況，它還有牽涉到一些比較重要的事情，比方說燃料供應等相關的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:07.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-25T10:13:08.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:07.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-25T10:13:16.688000+08:00 |
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當我們這段時間，大家一起很努力在推動一些相關的自主能源，像再生能源這些事情，這些比例都要一起來考慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:16.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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2026-03-25T10:13:30.552000+08:00 |
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好，所以我要告訴你，孩子會長大，會需要一輛新的車，要及早準備，但是現在這個淘汰沒有壞掉的，它隨時可以待命救援，兩種需求我都考量到，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:30.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-25T10:13:48.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
那我要告訴你，備援的跟基載的要分開來思考，往下看，其實現在我們AI半導體產業的需求暴增，假如都用核電來供應，核電停機之前的供電量通通回來，最高到多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:52.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-25T10:13:52.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
占比多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:52.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-25T10:13:54.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
有沒有占到10%？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:54.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-25T10:13:56.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
差不多。10%！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-25T10:13:56.006000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:08.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
好，那未來如果我們的供電需求超過10%，你通通拉回來也不夠嘛，所以我們一定要想的是未來這些新增的剛性需求，不是臨時的需求，一定要找到什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:08.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:09.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
要找到其他的替代能源。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:09.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:11.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
往下看，董事長，有沒有在開發地熱？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:13.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:16.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
對，我們其他的，包括你這邊提到的…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:16.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:22.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
現在地熱的情況是不是一個可預期的……地熱跟其他的再生能源不一樣喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:22.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:26.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
光跟風有間歇性，地熱有沒有間歇性？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:27.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:28.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
它可以當作基載。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:29.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:30.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
本來是問董事長，你說可以當作基載，好！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:31.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:37.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
地調所主任，現在台電有沒有請你們幫忙積極去做地熱開發的研究？有。有？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.839 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:39.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:43.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
有沒有什麼把握在多久期間內，在我們未來用電量需求大增之前做好？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:44.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:44.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
有沒有開發？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:44.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:45.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
有沒有訂出時程？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
徐主任銘宏 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:46.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:47.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我們正在持續跟台電、中油合作…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:47.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:48.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
努力中？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:48.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:53.691000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
來，請台電，部長，有沒有要求台電要想辦法在地熱發電方面有更積極的目標跟作為？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:55.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:55.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
部長，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:55.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:56.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
有沒有要求？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:57.264000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-25T10:14:58.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
有，像中油也有，中油算是最積極的。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-25T10:14:58.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:01.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
中油是因為它本來就有探勘處啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:01.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:04.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
曾董事長，你們有沒有被要求要加強地熱的開發？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:05.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:17.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
有，我想這一個題目已經討論了非常久，當然還有一些工作，就是在開發時所遇到的一些困難，包括土地，尤其是地下的一些狀況…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:17.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:18.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
所以有沒有訂出個目標？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:18.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:20.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
你們希望在幾年前要達到什麼樣的目標？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:20.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:22.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我們還在討論看怎麼樣再更進一步克服。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:22.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:24.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
還沒有明確的目標，部長，你要訂出明確的目標。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:24.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:25.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
有，有訂出目標。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:25.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:31.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
如果用電需求有明確的預估，我們供電的成長就要有明確的目標，可不可以？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:32.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:34.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
多久內可以給我們一個基礎的原則或方向？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:35.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:35.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
可以，好。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:36.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:37.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
接下來是下半題，台電請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:40.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:52.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
部長，過去可能在你接任經濟部之前，我們在2018年，那時候的行政院長是現在的賴總統，他推動小店家行動支付營業稅優惠1.0版，你知道這個事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:52.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:53.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:55.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-25T10:15:57.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
蘇署長，那時候這個事情是不是經濟部在協助推動的？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-25T10:15:57.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:03.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
小店家大部分都是你們在服務，有沒有推動這個事情？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:03.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:04.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
是不是你們負責宣導的？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
蘇署長文玲 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:04.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:05.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
有，經濟部一直有在做宣傳。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:05.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:11.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
你們也有經費委託商研院或其他的財團法人協助推廣，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
蘇署長文玲 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:12.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:16.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
一般就是宣導它有一些租稅優惠期間。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:16.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:19.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
是的，後來有沒有青年創業就用了這個優惠？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
蘇署長文玲 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:19.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:21.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
青年創業…… |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:21.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:22.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:23.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:24.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
你去輔導，當然希望他們用啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:25.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:26.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
輔導半天，有沒有成效？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
蘇署長文玲 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:28.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:33.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
跟委員報告，因為只要是使用行動支付，符合條件的一定會有成效。是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:33.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:34.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
所以有沒有成效？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:35.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:37.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
你們輔導半天，若沒有人用就可惜了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:37.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:39.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
部長，你認為應不應該要有成效？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:39.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:42.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
有，很多年輕人大部分都是用行動支付。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:42.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:44.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
是的，你知道它落日了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:44.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:46.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
1.0版到2025年就沒有了。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-25T10:16:48.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-25T10:16:59.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
你也知道在疫情期間，那時候你在國發會，我有跟您提議過，後來經濟部也採納了，就是因應小店家的營業衝擊，一戶、一家4萬塊，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:00.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:01.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
署長有沒有印象？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:01.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:04.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
那時候我逼你逼得很急，說要趕快做啊，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:04.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:05.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
有做了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:05.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:05.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
很多嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:06.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:08.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
花了多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:08.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:09.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
三百多億，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
蘇署長文玲 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:11.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:12.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
金額可能要再確認一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:13.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:13.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
我知道，大概三百六十幾億，快370億。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.385 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:13.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:28.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
部長，關於這個事情，小店家雖然為數眾多，不到60萬，大概五十幾萬，他們的稅負貢獻也不高，可是也是民眾、民生交易的對象，對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:29.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:32.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
現在小規模營業人的行動支付有個2.0版，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:34.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:34.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
你知不知道？2.0版…… |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:35.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:37.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
署長知不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
蘇署長文玲 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:37.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-03-25T10:17:39.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
就是前幾天財政部有…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-25T10:17:40.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:06.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
不是前幾天，它在去年底就公布了，但是前幾天因為新聞鬧出來才被誤會，其實小店家就算已經超過20萬開發票的門檻，但是它如果用行動支付可延續原來的1.0版，或者用多媒體資訊服務機，就是自助收銀點餐機，就像你去大型食品連鎖店，在門口你點一點，那麼點餐跟收銀就一併處理了，如果是使用這樣的話，還是維持1%的優惠。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:07.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:10.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
部長，你覺得這對小店家是不是利多？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:10.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:11.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
要不要幫忙宣傳？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:12.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:12.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
可以啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:13.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:16.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
好，承諾了，經濟部要加緊宣傳。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:16.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:21.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
好，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:21.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:24.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
經濟部長的這番話……為什麼找中企署來呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:25.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:44.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
因為除了商業署之外，對於這些未來可適用多媒體資訊服務機、自助收銀點餐機的店家，希望部長責成兩位署長積極輔導傳統商圈、社區型商圈，以及青年創業的部分，加強做輔導，好不好？好的。謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:45.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:45.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
謝謝鍾佳濱委員，謝謝部長及兩位署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-25T10:18:45.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-25T10:18:48.683857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
下一位請謝衣鳯委員質詢。 |
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