| IVOD_ID |
167836 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167836 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-25T09:37:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-25T09:49:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/755992caaad3baaed6afe2fd4e1f109c2ba03baa58d69313fd4d311afd6111d32ae69a5bbf2089335ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:43 - 09:49:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力公司董事長就「核二、核三廠自主安全檢查現況與再運轉計畫及政府『重啟核電三原則』之歷年進度與現況說明」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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下一位楊瓊英委員 謝謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言 邀請部長我們邀請龔部長 |
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我們來探討人民的納稅錢要怎麼樣讓人民的納稅錢可以不隨風消失而且是可以追回來的還我們人民納稅錢的一個公道所以本期要請教經濟部來推動離岸風電這個發電它分為三個部分第一個是示範專案第二個是在遴選潛力的這個風場 |
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第三個呢是淨價區塊的一個開發那這個案子呢允仁豐廠是第二階段零選豐廠他售電的對象都是給我們台電公司20年的囤購合約呢他的平均價格是5.8塊一度那台電呢實際上他也以前高後低也就是前10年以比較高的7.1177元 |
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後10年是以3.56685元來作為囤購的價格這樣子的方式雖然有幫助於開發商在取得融資但是也有利於原始股東能夠快速的拖 |
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這個股權進行套利這一點也是我們必須要注意的所以本席要再一來請教那既然有零選那就必須要經過經濟部嚴格的一個審查評審的他的項目是什麼呢是技術能力60%財務能力40%所以本席要請問如果財務能力發生了問題那誰該負責請教部長請教部長 |
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基本上我們在做審查的時候就會有比較好的這個財務就是他評估啦評估他有這樣的財務能力所以當他出現了財務問題的時候那誰必須要負責誰必須要負責他股權變更啊等等的一些情況我們也都要審查啦 |
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都是經濟部也是要負其責嘛因為你是經過經濟部嚴格的審查跟遴選嘛我們審查委員會是獨立的獨立的審查委員會來做審查當然我們是主管機關當然也要有監督的責任有監督的責任好所以繼續我們來討論2020年 |
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這個依照合約的完工他是跳票的2020年因為呢在原先的契約裡頭他必須行政契約他必須兩年那在2020年12月29號他要完工並聯他的進度慘不忍睹 |
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產不能賭 到了完工期限截止的時候 原先要80座的這個風機只完成了3座 那換句話說工期是嚴重的延誤那在2021年第一次的違法事故 經濟部華園的部分是華園來換特權 |
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違反了你自己持股的規定在五月中的時候呢大股東達德他以破產為理由要求從100%希望能夠降為25%這是違反了你經濟部規定啊開發商的持股不得低於50%的鐵率對不對啊 部長基本上都有根據相關的規定來罰款啊 |
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是不是我們有規定開發商事故不得低於50%的這個鐵律 有沒有請問有沒有 有這樣規定所以他從100%要希望降為25% 有沒有違法 |
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他違反規定但是罰款就是等於好 你的罰款你最後通牒是輕罰你當時只陌生了19億的履約保證金來做處分對不對詳細的狀況我可能要去查一下部長這麼重大不是個案問題因為你的會議決議禁令經濟部在5月21號的會議當中你明確的去決議喔引燃所有的機油的股東 |
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以及新增的股東在取得我們電業執照權你不得再移轉以及變更的部分否則要怎麼樣加重計法對不對這是在5月21號你們你們所做出的決議喔對不對 |
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因為這個是2021年的事情,我實在要去了解一下你今天是我們經濟部長,你繼續聽2023年第二次的違法優勢股在這樣的情況之下,竟然能夠在海外完成的交易將所有的剩餘的股權全部賣給GIP |
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美國的基金那總於是我們的官員集體的來縱容那面對第二次的公然違規經濟部你做什麼處分呢第二次又違規 當然你已經有說了我們有行政效率 我們有行政契約第二次又違規的時候你有沒有車照 你有沒有重罰 請問有沒有 |
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同仁跟我講這個按照這個合約啊來進行啊還是因為有簽合約嘛就按照這個合約來做處置啊怎麼處置就是怎麼處置你要再重罰請問到目前為止有沒有重罰有罰到最後100%變成之零金蟬脫殼那請問有沒有重罰19億的沒收接下來又違規有沒有重罰我們罰 |
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有沒有中罰還是有罰錢有罰錢怎麼罰我們有依規定罰錢怎麼罰那個時候是罰了3.5億部長 |
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依照我們的契約裡頭5月21號的一個規定說要與能不能再辦理變更如果再有違規要依行政契約以迴避成本2.13元每一度囤購5年作為罰金你們會要多少 |
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如果依照這樣計算是411億是人民的納稅錢咧你們發了多少請說明你們發了多少請說明我們再瞭解一下那個時候我同學跟我講是說那時候是發了3.5億人部長你聽到這個數字 |
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它已經開始運轉411億你更應當為人民依法行政契約要討回來對不對還人民公道啊你既然違法再違法那竟然經濟部我們今天問的通通都不知道那人民的納稅錢411億要怎麼辦要怎麼辦 |
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請教部長在違法的情況之下請教部長沒關係我們講原則依法行政對不對一定要依法行政違規再違規延期再延期在這樣的一個情況之下你們行政部門經濟部該當為人民怎麼樣討回411億你會不會去追 |
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我們還是要看這個當時的合約怎麼處置要依合約來辦理我相信同仁還是所有同仁都會依合約來做處置但是我還是要回去了解一下 |
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你說你還是要回去瞭解一下所以本席具體跟你建議第一個本席要求我們 趙偉我們可以擺一個專案報告這很重要因為綠能不能這樣亂搞讓我們的人民不知所措我們希望要有正規依照行政契約竟然違法再違法從100%已經金殘脫殼到0%的一個股權 |
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我們經濟部相關單位你是遴選主管機關單位你竟然你竟然還說我要再瞭解看看 |
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已經在刪轉應該要直接扣除以迴避成本的2點多塊還人民一個公道啦所以本期具體要求第一個專案報告要求經濟部針對於離岸風電違反行政契約與事故規定以及供其展延的黑箱在兩週內向經濟委員會提出專案報告 |
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第二個追回罰金我要求台電重新核算引人風場因繳納的違約罰金並從今年度的台電購電預算當中直接刪除撥款金額不得由納稅人來補貼這五年是當時曾文森次長所主持的會議他非常有guess第一個如果再違法要必須追繳這五年的一個罰金而且以迴避成本對不對 |
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所以你應該要依照你的會議記錄而去執行之現在他已經在供電這樣的一個情況追回人民的納稅錢追回人民的納稅錢不得由人民納稅錢來補貼411億部長 |
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599.685 |
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第三個要追究政治責任遴選制度首先出現這麼嚴重的財務問題以及股權的一個爭議要求當時到底是誰簽了同意股權轉讓的官員名單釐清是否有涉及公務人員的一個圖利問題因為這是一個非常重大的案件我們希望要正本清源讓所有的綠電可以走上軌道 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
624.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
628.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
可以走上軌道而不是圖利某特定的一個國外的廠商這個對我們台灣來講所有最後賣給台灣的廠商最後我們的經濟部以及人民必須要承起這些的承擔那這個對於人民來講太不公道所以我再一次的強調我再次的強調 部長你說你要查我也願意讓你查請你盡速把答案告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
654.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
658.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
411億依照5月21號的決議那麼什麼時候會追回這411億還給人民的納稅錢這是非常的重要的部長 剛剛本席的要求請做說明我會去了解那剛剛本席所說的這三點依照剛剛本席的要求盡快將資料給本席跟給我們的經濟委員會來做專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
681.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
694.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
那411億到底要怎麼樣追回,你也承諾要追回,那至於方式請你盡快告訴我們不要讓人民有所不知所措不知道我們的納稅錢到底是怎麼樣被刮走的好不好,謝謝好來,質詢時間有限,那個我想請,謝謝 |