| IVOD_ID |
167810 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167810 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-24T11:16:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-24T11:33:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e45a85cfecfeae92c30e74f18ff838a1909f2e94215b2814860ac5966554ee23334a1e86bb4a3c825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:16:57 - 11:33:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「對本院內政委員會召集委員李柏毅115年3月16日主持會議時之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責，並將李柏毅委員移送紀律委員會。嚴正要求民進黨政府：停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治，停止對陸配與新住民的歧視、打壓與追殺。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月20日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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下一位請吳思瑤委員質詢謝謝主席那有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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稍後會有軍購的議題會有總預算的議題那相關的部門在自動向前委員好 |
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院長大家辛苦了今天時間有限那我依舊很快的我們就切入重點了國家只有一個國安跟民生是不分顏色的所以我認為這個會期立法院的三大要務就是軍購就是總預算以及對美的關稅談判希望能夠獲得國會的批准 |
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所以這三件藥物是缺一不可的下一頁我們來看看幾個重要的時間點軍購條例已經到今天延宕了117天我們行政院在去年的11月就提出民眾黨版遲了兩個月國民黨版遲了四個月天下文章一大抄偏偏還抄錯 |
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偏偏還來搞破壞所以很高興昨天民進黨國防委員會的召委陳冠廷委員已經排審終於在延宕117天我們看到了曙光 |
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但是下一頁真理是越變越明的詭辯總是無所遁形顧部長也辛苦了昨天看到您在國防委員會很清楚的說明我們軍購案要支持就支持我們的正牌貨而不是冒牌貨我們要支持的絕對是優質品而不是劣質品法案就是如此 |
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國民黨提的3800億是打三折民眾黨的4000億的版本是打三二折 |
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那麼更刪除了台灣之盾跟非紅供應鏈也就是讓我們的軍工產業五大信賴產業當中的國防自主也一併的被砍掉了我認為這是假支持真破壞如果就在野黨的版本通過我們的軍購就是綁手綁腳我們的國防就被斷手斷腳 |
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那麼昨天徐曉新委員垂詢顧部長的我不曉得他是在預告什麼 |
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一個軍購案第一天審好不容易開始審他已經在預告了後面的政治操作嗎他詢問顧部長如果通過的是在野黨的版本是不是未來行政院就決定不附屬了我沒有看過這種人自己要做壞事然後先向社會打預防針先做壞事然後先來套招我沒看過這個立法委員 |
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所以今天我就教於院長這樣子當然我認為這種預測的心態現在立法院就好好審啊沒有什麼去預期未來附屬不附屬你只要提出合法合憲的我們當然附屬嘛那我在這裡就教於院長您正式的回答我們用什麼樣的心態面對好不容易開始審查的軍購特別條例 |
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非常謝謝國防部經過長時間跟美方也做過整密的一些詳談跟規劃才制定出這個特別條例跟未來特別預算內容都是非常詳實第一個依照國家的財政能力再來依照國家的國防需求也依照美方跟我們達成可以提供給我們各種新式武器所以這個是整套的無論是台灣之盾 擊殺鏈或者是國防自主產業缺一不可 缺一不可 |
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只有這樣才能讓台灣真正有防衛自己的能力這個能力來自於國外對我們的武器的供採購也來自於我們國內自主的這個研發產制所以我們支持國防部全力向大院委員去做說明只要通過國防部提出的院版的那我們全力來施行 |
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所以在立法院只有審好審滿的問題嗎是沒有跳躍到附屬不附屬的這種政治臆測嗎我們看下一頁我整理出來就是賴清德總統上任之後立法院通過的法律案與決算案跟條約案只要是合法合憲的我們一定依憲法依法規來進行附屬跟公告累計有220個案子 |
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220案是賴清德總統上任之後行政院依法依憲該附屬就附屬而五個案子不附屬的就是因為國會的惡意通過違法違憲的議案不能夠逼迫行政部門來違法行政違憲行政所以我整理出來我也是給你們一個很大的強心針只要立法院 |
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通過的是合法合憲符合國家需要的我們一定依法來行政而國會要做的就是審好審滿 |
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謝謝委員幫我們整理出這樣一個數字那我覺得就是依法合憲那過去這幾個不附屬的案子最大的共通點就是破壞憲政的權力分立原則以及我們的財政的紀律這個是無法讓我們在執行上必須去符合的所以我必須被動的採取不附屬這是保障中華民國憲法最後一個手段 |
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所以在這裡也給顧部長給您勉勵辛苦了我想您的答詢都非常清楚我再說一次真理是越辯越明只有詭辯才會無所遁形不好意思我沒有時間讓您答詢您要講幾句再一次喊話嗎顧部長 |
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我想還是誠摯的希望在野黨跟大家一起跟政黨一起坐下來我們明天就要進入主條審議我們完整的去說明了我們強化紅衛作戰整體的一個效能 |
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那這個是累積性的我們累積過去然後我們再破壞我們現在未來所應該要繼續建構的這些戰力那我們也說明了用公務預算不足之處以及它的限制那這些都是我們跟美方這麼久的時間來動紅破壞的這些項目美方也一再的肯定我們一兆2500億他一再的強調一兆2500億而不是在 |
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三千八百億或者是四千億所以我是真的期待國防不分顏色希望國會理性監督國防不分顏色您辛苦了也給我們辛苦的國防部門大家一起加油好 您可以請回 |
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下一頁第二個關鍵數字207天總預算已經延宕了207天今天都已經三月底了前所未見的國家政府總預算並沒有被審查連預算書的第一頁都沒有翻開下一頁但是呢藍白為了下台階用拆解總預算的方式國會來掏雜簿 |
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468.2 |
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483.345 |
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我想預算不能挑三減四不能差別式的待遇不能夠選擇性的放行要審就審3兆350億一整個完整的議案而不是只放行718億只放行2%換言之97.63%的總預算被擺爛 |
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492.188 |
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508.82 |
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就新興跟急迫性的預算呢2992億也只放行718億也就是等於76%的新興急迫性預算被丟包所以立法院這麼的投機取巧 |
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510.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
533.453 |
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過去黨預算不審預算的大惡人現在居然把自己塑造成大善人是在給恩惠是在做功德但是立法院藍白主導他們不敢面對的事就是98%的總預算被丟包下葉院長您看喔我整理出來非常重要幾項 |
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535.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
561.114 |
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國家發展無分大小海預算放行也不能大小眼啊挑三減四之下只會掛一漏萬嘛我整理出來我非常關心的除了我們1.25兆的國防特別預算需要藍白一起來為了國家安全來支持之外總預算沒省780億的國防預算就沒丁沒當 |
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562.495 |
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578.573 |
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我們救災 一倍金 二倍金 災準金就高達170億每丁每噸我們大家口口聲聲說要AI國家 AI大國藍白都支持但是硬生生的總預算不捨高達100億的AI新十大建設都沒有辦法動之 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
584.059 |
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603.934 |
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更不要說富坤崎總召國民黨團的領導人對於東部鐵路我們因應花東的地震之後編列的78億鐵路要優化增強我們交通韌性有78億就因為總預算沒審全部都沒有辦法使用 |
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院長再喊話一下吧夏業我看到在野黨的委員選舉到了才在良心發現說選舉到了軍購案跟走預算案地方都在罵現在好像才要跟國民黨團來喊話 |
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640.323 |
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軍購一天都不可等民生一天都不可缺安全跟民生不是選舉那一天才重要我剛剛說的這些預算被擺爛被丟包我們怎麼辦院長是包括委員所提出的這些重點之外剛剛有委員推詢過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
643.097 |
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666.669 |
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桃園鐵路地下化花東鐵路雙軌電氣化嘉義市區的鐵路高架化還有嘉義縣市的鐵路高架化以及國旅的加碼這個在交通部248億也是無法動彈的另外現在三月底了五月汛期快到了而且我們水情現在有發生75年來西部降雨量最少的這個水情的困難 |
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667.449 |
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675.862 |
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但是第一第二預備金跟摘損金都還沒有辦法動工行政院的責任如何能夠對人民負責 |
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如果這個因素是來自立法院未審預算那我們共同能承擔出這樣的責任嗎行政院還是誠懇的拜託立法院將包括780億之外的所有新生計畫新興計畫跟新生預算包括一二預備金跟篩選金以及包括整包的3,351億的 |
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699.421 |
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713.912 |
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整包的3兆零351的國家政府總預算一視同仁該審就審不可以拆解預算不可以挑三檢四但是在野黨非常的惡意操作他們就要逃掉就要躲過了為什麼 |
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715.593 |
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740.764 |
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這幾天突然冒出了這個核能政策是不是要轉完這不是我今天的主題但是我要點非核家園從我們去年5月17號核三二號機正式除役台灣已經進入非核家園已經是第311天了民進黨的非核家園政策是現在進行式我們沒有改變 |
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741.764 |
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767.507 |
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至於未來下一頁再下一頁再下一頁我們看到能源就是國力省著國際情勢來與時俱進國家要做的是二次能源的轉型要建置儲能的設施要優化電網的韌性要提升綠能的發電更要佈局能源的多元化如果執政團隊行政院這些事情沒有做 |
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768.007 |
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787.172 |
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我支持在野黨來批判我也會批判我也會監督但是面對國際能源的挑戰加劇政策在進行的請在野黨都要支持不要像上一次我們提出台電電網任性的預算全部被砍光了我要說的是下一頁 |
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788.382 |
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805.789 |
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重啟核電這個還要安全自主審查還要再運轉計畫還要通過核安無虞核廢有解社會共識三大關真的是要過恩關斬恩將言之過早八字沒一撇重啟核電是以年為單位 |
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但是現在台灣要面對的是以天為單位每一天都在跟時間賽跑一天都不能拖一天都不能等的軍購案跟總預算案大家不要被政治操作不要被轉移焦點我們趕快回防我們的軍購跟總預算那我來扣一個非常重要的題目啊下一頁 |
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831.738 |
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846.47 |
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最近呢我又擔心了過去違法違憲乾坤亂政親中的法案是讓全民受苦現在還在受害當中這個會期依舊變本加厲耶我快速的提醒您下一頁 |
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847.45 |
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865.694 |
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錢坑法案又來了老農津貼我們加碼照顧但是要量力而為行政院提出加碼到一萬元但是立法院已經有好多的版本三倍四倍總共要花四百三十七億錢從哪裡來下一頁 |
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國民年金一樣我們量入而出我們努力做到提升到五千塊但是也有很多的立院版本高達四倍五倍最高要六百五十億的預算錢從哪裡來還有下一個藍白合推的未來賬戶在畫大餅預約未來至少要支出國庫四千零三十億 |
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915.456 |
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一點都沒有考量到國家的財政紀律跟憲法的權利分立的原則乾坤法案又來了違憲法案又來了下一頁下一頁而更關切的是國安的晶片國安法我們一定要慎防 |
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如果綁架了台積電破壞了台灣的戲盾弱化了產業的競爭力藍白可以負責嗎下一頁時間有限我要說一句關鍵過去國民黨總說沒有國民黨就沒有台積電我們要大聲的說只有民進黨才能保護台積電才能夠壯大台積電我們要慎防 |
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好謝謝吳委員也謝謝卓院長 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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有請卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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稍後會有軍購的議題、會有總預算的議題，相關的部門再自動向前。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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吳委員好。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:17:33.881000+08:00 |
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院長，大家辛苦了。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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今天時間有限，我依舊很快的，我們就切入重點。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:17:40.323000+08:00 |
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國家只有一個，國安跟民生是不分顏色的，所以我認為這個會期立法院的三大要務就是軍購、就是總預算以及對美的關稅談判，希望能夠獲得國會的批准，所以這三件要務是缺一不可的。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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我們來看看幾個重要的時間點，軍購條例到今天已經延宕了117天，我們行政院在去年11月就提出，民眾黨版遲了兩個月，國民黨版遲了4個月，天下文章一大抄，偏偏還抄錯，偏偏還來搞破壞。 |
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所以很高興昨天民進黨國防委員會的召委陳冠廷委員已經排審，終於在延宕117天我們看到了曙光。 |
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但是真理是越辯越明的，詭辯總是無所遁形。 |
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2026-03-24T11:18:59.951000+08:00 |
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顧部長也辛苦了，昨天看到您在國防委員會很清楚地說明，軍購案要支持就支持我們的正牌貨，而不是冒牌貨，我們要支持的絕對是優質品，而不是劣質品，法案就是如此啊！ |
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0.971 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:19:01.131000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:19:28.690000+08:00 |
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國民黨提的3,800億是打3折，民眾黨的4,000億版本是打32折，更刪除了臺灣之盾和非紅供應鏈，也就是讓我們的軍工產業、五大信賴產業當中的國防自主也一併被砍掉了，我認為這是假支持、真破壞，如果就在野黨的版本通過，我們的軍購就是綁手綁腳，我們的國防就被斷手斷腳。 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:19:35.381000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:19:50.363000+08:00 |
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昨天徐巧芯委員垂詢顧部長，我不曉得他是在預告什麼，一個軍購案第一天審，好不容易開始審，他已經在預告了後面的政治操作嗎？ |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:19:50.363000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:19:59.629000+08:00 |
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他詢問顧部長，如果通過的是在野黨的版本，是不是未來行政院就決定不副署了？ |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:00.569000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:09.455000+08:00 |
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我沒有看過這種人，自己要做壞事，就先向社會打預防針；要做壞事，然後先來套招，我沒看過這種立法委員。 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:11.056000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:24.285000+08:00 |
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所以今天我就教於院長，當然我認為現在立法院就好好審，沒有什麼去預期未來副署不副署，你只要提出合法、合憲的，我們當然副署嘛！ |
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| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:24.925000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:32.030000+08:00 |
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我在這裡就教於院長，請您正式回答我們用什麼樣的心態面對好不容易開始審查的軍購特別條例？ |
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0.976 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:33.584000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:45.273000+08:00 |
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非常謝謝國防部經過長時間的努力，跟美方也做過縝密的詳談及規劃，才制定出這個特別條例以及未來的特別預算，內容都是非常詳實…… |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-24T11:20:45.273000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:46.273000+08:00 |
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而且我們提出的是最好的版本。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:20:46.094000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:00.585000+08:00 |
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依照國家的財政能力，依照國家的國防需求，也依照美方跟我們達成可以提供給我們各種新式武器的協議，所以這個是整套的，無論是臺灣之盾、擊殺鏈或者是國防自主產業都是缺一不可。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:00.585000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:01.585000+08:00 |
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不可以被斷手斷腳。 |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:01.245000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:23.463000+08:00 |
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缺一不可，只有這樣，才能讓臺灣真正有防衛自己的能力，這個能力來自於國外對我們提供的武器採購，也來自於國內自主的研發產製，所以我們支持國防部全力向大院委員說明，只要通過國防部所提出的院版，那我們就全力來執行。 |
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0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:24.113000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:32.397000+08:00 |
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所以在立法院只有審好審滿的問題，沒有跳躍到副署或不副署的這種政治臆測嘛！ |
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0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:21:33.958000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:10.439000+08:00 |
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我整理出賴清德總統上任之後立法院通過的法律案、預決算案及條約案，只要是合法合憲的，我們一定依憲法、依法規來進行副署及公告，累計有220個案子，這220案是賴清德總統上任之後，行政院依法依憲該副署就副署，而有5個案子不副署的，就是因為國會惡意通過違法違憲的議案。 |
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0.885 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:10.779000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:30.423000+08:00 |
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不能夠逼迫行政部門來違法行政、違憲行政，所以我把它整理出來也是給你們一個很大的強心針，只要立法院通過的是合法合憲、符合國家需要的，我們一定依法來行政，而國會要做的就是審好審滿。 |
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0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:32.752000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:44.555000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員幫我們整理出這樣一個數字，我覺得就是依法合憲，過去這幾個不副署的案子最大的共通點就是破壞憲政的權力分立原則…… |
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0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:44.555000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:47.396000+08:00 |
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以及我們財政的紀律。 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:47.756000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:56.278000+08:00 |
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對，這是無法讓我們在執行上必須去符合的，所以我必須被動的採取不副署，這是保障中華民國憲法最後一個手段。 |
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0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:56.912000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:22:59.795000+08:00 |
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所以在這裡也要給顧部長勉勵，您辛苦了！ |
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0.882 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:23:00.596000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:23:08.284000+08:00 |
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我想您的答詢都非常清楚，我再說一次，真理越辯越明，只有詭辯才會無所遁形。 |
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| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:23:08.764000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:23:11.968000+08:00 |
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不好意思，我沒有時間讓您答詢，您有要講幾句，再一次喊話嗎？ |
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0.96 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:23:11.968000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:23:11.988000+08:00 |
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顧部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-24T11:23:14.157000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:06.283000+08:00 |
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我想還是誠摯的希望在野黨跟執政黨大家一起坐下來，我們明天就要進入逐條審議，我們完整的說明了強化防衛作戰整體的效能，這是累積性的，我們累積過去，然後我們在擘劃未來所應該要繼續建構的戰力，我們也說明了用公務預算不足之處以及它的限制，這些都是我們跟美方這麼久的時間以來所共同擘劃的項目，美方也一再肯定我們所提的1兆2,500億，他一再強調1兆2,500億，而不是3,800億或者4,000億，我是真的期待國防不分顏色…… |
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0.886 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:06.383000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:10.086000+08:00 |
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希望國會理性監督，國防不分顏色。 |
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1 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:10.086000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:11.086000+08:00 |
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不分朝野，我們明天能夠理性的逐條審議。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:10.406000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:16.591000+08:00 |
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您辛苦了，也希望我們辛苦的國防部門大家一起加油。 |
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0.909 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:17.051000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:17.772000+08:00 |
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好，您可以請回。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-24T11:24:19.154000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:42.719000+08:00 |
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第二個關鍵數字是207天，總預算已經延宕了207天，今天都已經3月底了，前所未見的國家政府總預算並沒有被審查，連預算書的第一頁都沒有翻開，但是藍白為了下臺階，用拆解總預算的方式到國會來偷吃步。 |
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0.939 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:24:45.200000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:25:22.138000+08:00 |
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我想預算不能挑三揀四，不能差別式的待遇，不能夠選擇性的放行，要審就審3兆350億一整個完整的議案，而不是只放行718億、只放行2%，換言之，97.63%的總預算被擺爛；就新興跟急迫性的預算2,992億，也只放行718億，也就是等於76%的新興急迫性預算被丟包。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:25:23.178000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:25:46.431000+08:00 |
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所以立法院這麼地投機取巧，過去擋預算、不審預算的大惡人，現在居然把自己塑造成大善人，是在給恩惠，是在做功德，但是立法院藍白主導，他們不敢面對的事就是98%的總預算被丟包。 |
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0.973 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:25:47.752000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:26:02.523000+08:00 |
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院長您看，我整理出來非常重要的幾項，國家發展不分大小漢，預算放行也不能大小眼，挑三揀四之下，只會掛一漏萬。 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:26:03.524000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:00.914000+08:00 |
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我整理出來我非常關心的，除了1.25兆國防特別預算需要藍白一起為了國家安全來支持之外，總預算沒審，780億的國防預算就不能動；要救災，一備金、二備金、災準金就高達170億，也不能動；我們大家口口聲聲說要成為AI國家、AI大國，藍白都支持，但是硬生生地不審總預算，高達100億的AI新十大建設都沒有辦法動支；更不要說傅崐萁總召、國民黨黨團的領導人關心的，對於東部鐵路，我們因應花東地震之後編列了78億，鐵路要優化、增強交通韌性要78億，就因為總預算沒審，全部都沒有辦法使用。 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:01.875000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:03.316000+08:00 |
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院長，再喊話一下吧！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-24T11:27:04.537000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:16.286000+08:00 |
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我看到在野黨的委員直到選舉到了，才在良心發現，說選舉到了，軍購案跟總預算案地方都在罵，現在好像才要跟國民黨黨團來喊話。 |
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0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-24T11:27:19.809000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:28.356000+08:00 |
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軍購一天都不可等，民生一天都不可缺，安全跟民生不是選舉那一天才重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:28.896000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:34.520000+08:00 |
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我剛剛說的這些預算被擺爛、被丟包，我們怎麼辦啊？院長。 |
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0.957 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:35.041000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:53.624000+08:00 |
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除了委員所提出的這些重點之外，剛剛有委員垂詢過的桃園鐵路地下化、花東鐵路雙軌電氣化、嘉義市區的鐵路高架化、嘉義縣市的鐵路高架化，以及國旅的加碼，這個在交通部有248億，也是無法動彈的。 |
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0.951 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:27:54.104000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:12.862000+08:00 |
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另外，現在3月底了，5月汛期快到了，而且我們現在發生了75年來西部降雨量最少的水情困難，但是第一、第二預備金跟災準金都還沒有辦法動用，行政院基於責任，如何能夠對人民負責？ |
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0.918 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:13.670000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:20.693000+08:00 |
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如果這個因素是來自立法院未審預算，我們共同能承擔這樣的責任嗎？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:20.693000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:37.382000+08:00 |
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行政院還是誠懇地拜託立法院，將718億之外的所有新增計畫、新興計畫跟新增預算，包括一、二預備金跟災準金，以及整包的3兆350億…… |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:37.382000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:38.382000+08:00 |
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要一視同仁啊！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:38.243000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:39.123000+08:00 |
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整包的3兆350億的國家政府總預算，要一併審理。 |
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0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:39.423000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:41.945000+08:00 |
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一視同仁，該審就審。對。 |
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0.889 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:41.945000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:44.747000+08:00 |
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不可以拆解預算，不可以挑三揀四。對。 |
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0.867 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:45.328000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:50.912000+08:00 |
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但是在野黨非常地惡意操作，他們就要逃掉、就要躲過了，為什麼？ |
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0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:28:52.593000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:29:17.764000+08:00 |
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這幾天突然冒出了核能政策是不是要轉彎，這不是我今天的主題，但是我要點出，從去年5月17日核三2號機正式除役，臺灣已經進入非核家園，至今已經第311天了，民進黨的非核家園政策是現在進行式，我們沒有改變。是。 |
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0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:29:18.764000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:29:40.703000+08:00 |
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至於未來，我們看到能源就是國力，要審酌國際情勢來與時俱進，國家要做的是二次能源的轉型，要建置儲能的設施，要優化電網的韌性，要提升綠能的發電，更要布局能源的多元化。 |
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0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:29:41.264000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:30:02.231000+08:00 |
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如果執政團隊、行政院這些事情沒有做，我支持在野黨來批判，我也會批判，我也會監督，但是面對國際能源的挑戰加劇，對於在進行的政策，請在野黨都要支持，不要像上一次我們提出台電電網韌性的預算全部被砍光了。 |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:30:03.132000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:30:43.184000+08:00 |
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我要說的是，重啟核電還要有安全自主審查，還要有再運轉計畫，還要通過核安無虞、核廢有解、社會共識三大關，真的是要過N關斬N將，言之過早，八字沒一撇，重啟核電是以年為單位，但是現在臺灣要面對的是以天為單位，每一天都在跟時間賽跑，一天都不能拖、一天都不能等的軍購案跟總預算案，大家不要被政治操作，不要被轉移焦點，趕快回防我們的軍購跟總預算。 |
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0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:30:44.505000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:31:22.534000+08:00 |
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接著我來扣一個非常重要的題目，最近我又擔心了，過去違法違憲、錢坑亂政、親中的法案讓全民受苦，甚至現在還在受害當中，這個會期依舊變本加厲，我快速的提醒您，錢坑法案又來了，老農津貼，我們要加碼照顧，但是要量力而為，行政院提出加碼到1萬元，但是立法院已經有好多版本是高達3倍、4倍，總共要花437億，錢從哪裡來？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:31:25.494000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:31:42.358000+08:00 |
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國民年金也是一樣，我們量入而出，努力做到將其提升到5,000塊，但是也有很多立院版本是高達4倍、5倍，最高要650億的預算，錢從哪裡來？ |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:31:42.358000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:04.149000+08:00 |
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還有下一個，藍白合推的未來帳戶，在畫大餅，預約未來，至少要支出國庫4,030億，一點都沒有考量到國家的財政紀律跟憲法的權力分立原則，錢坑法案又來了，違憲法案又來了。 |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:05.951000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:21.034000+08:00 |
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讓人更關切的是攸關國安的晶片國安法，我們一定要慎防，如果綁架了台積電，破壞了臺灣的矽盾，弱化了產業的競爭力，藍白可以負責嗎？ |
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0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:22.555000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:36.045000+08:00 |
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時間有限，我要說一句關鍵話，過去國民黨總說沒有國民黨就沒有台積電，我們要大聲的說，只有民進黨才能保護台積電，才能夠壯大台積電，我們要慎防晶片國安法這種惡法讓我們的護國神山毀於一旦，所以我要提醒，軍購很重要，總預算很重要，關稅談判國會的批准很重要，但是錢坑法案跟晶片國安法這種親中、違憲、害臺的法案，我們都要及早啟動因應，時間到了，很抱歉沒有辦法讓您回答。 |
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0.362 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:36.045000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:50.329500+08:00 |
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國安的問題，行政院責無旁貸，不會讓惡法成為亦法。 |
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0 |
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吳委員思瑤 |
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2026-03-24T11:32:50.329500+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:04.614000+08:00 |
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好，請加油！ |
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0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:04.614000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:07.496000+08:00 |
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謝謝吳委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:07.996000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:11.424571+08:00 |
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報告院會，上午質詢到此為止。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:11.724571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:16.867429+08:00 |
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另外，依黨團共識，本次會議不處理臨時提案。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:17.167429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:21.738857+08:00 |
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下午2點30分繼續開會，進行質詢，現在休息。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:22.038857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T11:33:23.181714+08:00 |
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休息（11時33分） |
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0 |