| IVOD_ID |
167806 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167806 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-24T09:17:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-24T09:47:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e45a85cfecfeae920e1a794398122fe4909f2e94215b28140b257ea3ef7aa4c162239c163286f5825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
萬美玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:17:07 - 09:47:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「對本院內政委員會召集委員李柏毅115年3月16日主持會議時之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責，並將李柏毅委員移送紀律委員會。嚴正要求民進黨政府：停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治，停止對陸配與新住民的歧視、打壓與追殺。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月20日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝副院長 我們有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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好主委長早我想民進黨過去那一直都是抱著非核家園的神主牌在這整個過程當中可以說為了反核也不惜撕裂台灣社會那麼再過去我們把很多支持核的人去抹黑成為是反科學 |
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不爱台湾这个院长一定也听过那同时在去年我们在野党在修核管法的时候也被污名化抹红说我们修核管法是为了要让中共攻台开方便之门那同时在这个修法的过程当中我们所有支持这个修核管法的委员也被 |
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新聞報告 |
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反核這個議題不是所謂的神主牌而是在過去從環境保護的年代一直到發生多起的核能事件之後整個全球興起這樣一個對核能檢討的觀念院長抱歉我想這個背景我們了解我只想要知道說這一次這個政策的轉彎賴先生總統這樣的說法事前有沒有跟你溝通或討論過 |
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萬元你應該可以記得我在今年這次本會議的施政報告當中已經提到了在核光法修法之後我們會啟動必要的程序所以有先跟你討論的意思嗎 對嗎賴總統這樣的說法是有先跟你討論過了嗎 |
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我們在一個政策要形成以及依照法律變更之後都跟部會有充分的討論所以您也知道那也有跟部會都討論過但我認為就是說今天有很地方很多民進黨朋友也在講說他們的感受上就是你們集體的決策其實拋下了過去一直跟著你們反核的這些支持者 |
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所以呢 这样突然的言论事实上也是让很多民进党的委员很多的同志你们是杀得他们措手不及那甚至于 甚至于院长您还说这个并没有丢掉反核的神主牌这大家可以做名词上解释可是你还要瞎扯说因为这个非核家园的目标在去年五月就已经达成了那本席今天要在这里跟您提 |
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如果說廚藝就叫做達成非核家園那麼你現在重啟必須提醒你你就是背棄了你們的反核支持者而且徹底讓大家看到這是一場為了選舉的一個騙局我想院長你可能要去想一想怎麼樣去跟你們這些反核支持者來道歉跟說明那麼再提到 |
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剛才說總統要感謝我們立法院通過核管法不知道院長有沒有提醒我們的總統當時我們所有民進黨委員是全數投下反對票這個您還記得嗎 |
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我曾經說過只要在立法院當中對一個議題的討論是經過民主的程序經過民主的表決沒有違憲違法那就是國家的法律所以你是尊重嘛總統也講說要依法行政所以你說尊重但是我們必須要講說你既然要謝謝謝謝我們通過當時的通過是哪些人當時通過是在野黨院長你今天要不要表達一下對我跟對我們所有當時通過的委員感謝一下 |
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我再強調如果是充分的討論民主的程序我們就講核管法啊你要感謝一下嗎通過代表國會已經經過充分討論民主程序通過一項不會違憲沒有違法的決議那就是國家的法律我想本席每一次的質詢我覺得都非常的理性而且就事論事但不希望你今天用這樣的方式去耗費我的時間那我認為啦 |
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既然总统的高度都在讲说他是要感谢当时我们通过通过是推通过民进党全数投下反对票所以你今天没有要表达一下当时对我们的这些污蔑的道歉甚至于罢免我们的道歉吗而且当时的这个民进党还讲到说那没有关系大罢免大成功之后我们再修法这也是民进党的委员讲的是不是所以我觉得你对我们的感谢或对我们的道歉其实应该表达一下的院长 |
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我覺得立法院通過很多的法律我們都依法執行總統也公布了沒關係 你不聽總統我們重點在於法律通過之後行政部門有沒有認認真真的依法執行另外我想要再提醒您就是說今天總統講到要依法行政所以就要再提醒您說我們回憶民意的要求在立法院這裡我們通過的不是只有核管法我想現在還有很多立法院通過三讀通過的法律案也在等著整個行政團隊 |
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電價沒有大漲 |
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10年電價不會大漲但事實是什麼事實是執政8年漲了4次漲幅35%35%你還覺得不是大漲35%還不是大漲對不起我現在還沒有叫你回答我現在還沒有叫你回答你尊重一下好不好 |
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所以院長我想有漲幅這是事實今天我在這裡要問一下我們這個禮拜五我們電價審議委員會就要開會了我們也知道現在整個國際的局勢非常不穩定油電都是問題那未來穩定物價我們在這個禮拜五的電價審議委員會的開會會不會針對電費的部分動漲 |
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我們都知道國際的情勢現在非常緊張而且變化非常快速每一天都有不同的討論那大概全社會我們都看到國營事業單位在這段時間來對穩定物價安定社會事實上做了很積極的努力動不動長因為這個是屬於電價審議委員會的職責 |
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那行政院到目前為止各部會也都不宜太多我們尊重專業但是我一直相信在國營事業做這麼多積極的穩定電價跟安定社會的狀況之後大家同樣在一個生活的空間一定會以這樣的一個思考那針對中油啊中油有指出嘛最近它已經都吸收了三十幾億嘛一共六十幾億了多少 |
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三個禮拜已經65億左右三個禮拜已經60幾億了嘛你看這個數字其實很大那麼我想請教的就是那在下週我們的油價會不會再大漲像昨天的今天的國際油價就有一點跌幅了因照國際情勢變化真的很多那我們隨時緊盯的國際油價依照我們的公式在計算如果在公式計算當中 |
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有超越大家的負擔的話那中油經濟部還會有點的穩定我希望院長在這方面真的要再多用心再來我們來看到賴總統這次又在講說重啟核電是要因應現況的務實考量 |
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其中提到的就是AI的發展那他說AI的發展所需要的電力超過原來的預估這點我想要請到院長我們台灣是今年才開始要發展AI嗎那之前從來沒有去想過這個供電會不足嗎為什麼還要堅持在去年還要非核家園報告委員從兩年前520賴總統上任之後我們就一直跟經濟部跟台電 |
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啟動所有的檢查機制也都一直的告訴大家在2030、32年之前我們的供電是無虞的那個時候就已經把AI的發展放在裡面 |
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那確實是沒有錯的不是啊但現在賴總統是說我們現在要重啟核電是因為AI發展所需的電力超顧員來預估嘛對不對喔那所以喔這個供電不足絕對不是現在才因為AI絕對不是這個理由啊沒有辦法接受我們在現在之前到每一天我們的供電還是相當的安全你用這個理由去講重啟核電這件事情其實不是 |
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很難被接受的啦你看嘛經濟部之前自己在這個113年的時候就已經提過全國電力供需的報告當時就在講說AI科技的用電需求會從2023年的24萬千瓦那會暴增到2028會變成224萬千瓦這個數字那個時候就有了所以不是今年才看到這個地方第二個賴總統去年的5月在民進黨中職會上我不知道院長有沒有參與當時他細數非核家園的一個政績成績 |
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他說依照台電的預估就算加上了 AI台灣到2030年也可以穩定供電所以那時候說可以穩定供電現在又說因為 AI 的電力超過原本預估所以不要插話好不好你要懂不懂這個備詢的一個禮貌 |
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你至少等人家把這個問題問完嘛真的要教教你們部長是提醒這個數字不應該這樣插話院長你今天在講話的時候其實有時候有些冗長但我也沒有去打斷你啊我覺得大家彼此互相尊重嘛好不好所以我想從這點上面看來這就是本席認為就是今年的賴總統打臉了過去的賴主席這點院長怎麼看 |
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並非因為真的國際的情勢變化非常的快又有關稅的談判內需的增加又有國際的戰爭的情勢而且戰爭之後可能要一段時間才會恢復整個國際上油氣供應的這個秩序所以我們是可以預作準備 |
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如果備而不用那最好萬一要用那就有備無患賴總統這次又說因為地緣政治的關係台電的電力建制台灣的電力建制應該要有能源韌性不過這句話我看起來的解讀就是說難道過去我們廢核家園的能源政策韌性是不是就是不足的 |
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所以今天談到我們要來加強這個韌性我們看到這次是因為戰爭的關係從來沒有想過這麼遙遠的戰爭會影響全世界甚至於這麼遠的台灣這麼嚴重所以我們也發現了如果我們只是一再的仰賴天然氣同時天然氣的儲備量也只有11天這樣的發電韌性本來就不夠所以以前就應該知道怎麼會現在才拿來講 |
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過去台灣一直很有安全的油氣的存量是法定的存量這都沒有問題但是也沒有像最近幾年中共的間接一直在侵擾台灣我們必須為台灣的安全預作更多的防範措施運長啊 |
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總是這樣子修核管法說為中共開方便之門談任何台灣的民生議題沒話講的時候總是扯到中共中共侵擾台灣本席也認為不對但是我們不應該把所有在台灣裡面的政策不應該把所有我們執政不力或者是民生議題做不好通通就拿一個中共就可以蓋瓜過去了這點我希望以後不要至少我在跟你這個質詢的時候不要拿這個來搪塞那接下來我想最後一個 |
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就既然現在要重啟核電了我們在行政院國家永續發展委員會裡面有一個非核家園的推動專案小組那麼這個小組是不是應該廢掉非核家園非核家園還是我們在法律當中應該有的只是他把那個年限拿掉而已所以我們非核家園如果將來我們的 |
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再生能源甚至新式的能源都能夠進來我們是另外一種態度來看它過去我們就完全反核了我們主張能源要多種選擇只是過去你們自己一直堅持反核那現在既然要重啟核電了我想你們回去研議一下這個非核家園推動專案小組你就算不想廢至少名稱跟任務性質內容應該要去做一個修改那最後我想 |
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是不是講一句話目前我們沒有這個廢不廢的問題但未來如果新式核能能夠被大家接受的話全世界商用那新式核能的用途台灣如果可以也討論也使用的話那就是另外一個境界了你可以去做你的詮釋我都尊重啦但是我必須要講我們過去的這個錯誤政策其實為全民帶來非常大的一個代價的付出啦那現在呢你要來檢討能源政策要開放核能樂觀其成啦但是呢要往對的方向去繼續好嗎 |
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接下来我想跟院长讨论的是关于毒品的问题院长去年12月2号本席在你的脸书上看到你写说新世代反毒策略实施到现在平均每年毒品使用人数减少1万1千人对吗你的脸书行政院随后发布新闻稿说使用毒品跟新生毒品的人口数呈现逐年下降这两个对吗 |
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所以院長這樣的企圖成效你在臉書上寫出來這個是一個算滿意是嗎 |
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這絕對不滿意但是這對執法人員是一大鼓勵我們希望他們能夠用認真用力的去打擊不法我同意但是呢這個您看一下您擔任院長之後法務部的統計施用毒品的人數事實上是從111年的43746人增加了2389人來到了46135人所以是不減反增何來的逐年減少這第一個第二個院長 |
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我相信你一定同意這當中還有黑數你一定同意所以如果說我們不檢反針中間還有黑數事實上我是覺得毒品問題太嚴重了我們應該一起努力喔讓這個問題趕快去解決啦所以不會滿意這樣的結果跟數字使用毒品的人數又以二級毒品包括安非他命、大麻等等人數最多那其中現在其實本席很關心的就是我們俗稱的喪屍煙彈這個依託民脂這個現在被歸納在二級毒品當中 |
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而且它是用電子菸來作為吸毒的載具那當電子菸成為毒品的一個載具的時候這連帶的一個問題就是我們吸毒的年齡會往下降那法務部自己也統計18歲到30歲這個年齡層的吸食的比例其實現在已經來到了兩成多了而且本席常常都講這個絕對還有黑素在裡面 |
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那你看喔這樣的問題其實對年輕人傷害是非常的大我們現在在校園裡面其實我們又限縮了教師的管教權我都不知道校園的這個毒品的這個防治到底要怎麼做才好然後呢再來我們就看到院長 |
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你也是有發現這個問題的重要性所以在去年6月12您在主持毒品防治會議當中也說要加速修正煙害防治法針對電子煙增訂沒入銷毀的規定衛福部的石部長也說那我們要開始開發電子煙的持有者請問院長 |
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這個很重要嘛 那現在的這個目前我們看到整個電子煙現行的法規是規定禁止製造 禁止販賣 禁止吸食但沒有禁止持有所以其實很難查緝 很難開罰所以您提的這個部分 我本心很認同但是修法進度現在到哪裡來請石部長說明跟委員說明 我們已經拟據了這個修法的條文目前在行政院審查當中 準備要送立法院 |
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要快啊 這去年的六月到現在都要一年了還在準備中 既然有好的構想加快速度嘛不要一天到晚想那些有的沒有的這最重要的法案趕快去進行好不好因為如果我們吸食毒品的人數增加也會衍生出毒價的問題那我們看到113年這個毒價2619件不過到了114年暴增到8659件那光今年1月院長知道今年1月就有多少件嗎 |
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今年1月就1,236件這是很可怕的數字獨駕的嚴重性已經不亞於9駕當然啦所以你看高雄那時候還發生了一個大家都矚目的就是因為稀釋了剛才本席所說的一通名指結果獨駕去撞死了一個三寶麻那連你們自己高雄市的陳吉邁市長都說這要對獨駕加重修法所以這個對獨駕加重修法這個院長支持不支持 |
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支持我們覺得強力的取締加重處罰應該是有效的那準備怎麼做呢請部長說明這個獨家的確有經過好幾次的一個修法有做一個加重那我想這個在修法這部分因為他獨家如果致人於死或致重傷這部分都有加重處罰的一個規定那我想這個獨家這部分的嚴重性我想我們現在我們非常的一個重心修法要快一點啦好不好 |
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這部分是有修法那個有致死的這部分是有修法所有今天本席提到的修法我覺得都要速度加快好嗎而且我們剛剛提到這個尤其是電子菸的部分因為年輕人去涉及的真的太多了我們要知道電子菸對年輕人的傷害輕則就是他吸菸的一個入門的門檻重則就是他吸毒的一個媒介所以這個部分加快速度接下來我想兩個部分都是要談論我們交通的議題 |
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謝謝兩位謝謝院長 鐵路地下化 桃園鐵路地下化每一次每一個會席我都要再提但是請您看一下我們桃園鐵路地下化的工程進度這個是鐵道局其實本席固定都會去看官網上面截圖下來為什麼官網突然改版了我突然看不到了預定的工程進度為什麼是因為落後太多不敢呈現嗎 |
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向委員報告因為我們現在正在修正當中我們在計畫修正當中我們在修正計畫當中那修正計畫裡面有包含你修正計畫跟你把過去都會一直顯示出來的預定進度把它遮掉為什麼嘛我跟你講你把它遮掉這個數字但你遮掉不掉的是一個延宕落後的一個事實嘛所以這個沒有必要如果您有需要這樣的資料我們隨時可以提供這個沒有問題 |
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鐵路地下化進度落後這件事情每一次我都在講原物料大漲原本規劃的1048億已經不夠了所以要再追加769億但是這個變更計畫從去年的8月20號簽成到行政院到現在7個月了院長您為什麼一直不核定 |
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交通部的這個報告當中我們考慮到很多的因素包括他有一個遺址的文物的遺址古蹟遺址的問題還有就是考慮到現在物價持續的上漲到底工程費如何去核算另外就是他還有一個延伸段是不是有一個延伸段的問題我記憶當中是如此還有延伸 南延段這個部分這加起來變成他現在還在審慎的考量當中 |
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不是吧 院長這個交通部已經把變更計畫已經送了嘛是啦我們剛剛在討論這個內容在院裡面還要討論這個內容交通部的審議如何您剛剛以上所說的三個問題都是舊問題了也在解決當中或是已經解決了的那現在是變更計畫你不核定我們沒有辦法往下走啊 |
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所以我們看過去的問題有沒有解決啊有沒有解決你問交通部嘛所以現在部裡面 院裡面怎麼在處理已經有的已經解決了已經有的已經有解決計畫了今天變更計畫還在送到您那裡嘛好 那院長您可以核定我們這個變更計畫嗎我們會照程序來走 現在如果在工程會嗎現在在行政院什麼時候可以核定呢因為這個增加的金額比較大所以還有一些問題還在詢問我們增加的金額比較大 這是問題嗎 |
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這是財務問題這是什麼樣的財務問題因為中央錢越來越少財化法被分掉很多錢財化法喔我們不要在這裡再吵財化法了啦這是事實啊沒有意義啦我跟你講喔財化法的精神是什麼我覺得在這裡不要去重複啦這個過去要解決城鄉發展不足然後地方資源分配等等財化法賴慶臣總統在當市長的時候也說要修嘛 |
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對不對鄭文燦也說要修地方的這些首長都說要修所以在這裡不要炒才化法那你現在不能夠因為我們把這個才化法應該分配給中央的給了他你用另外一隻手去把我們應該有的補助的重大建設經費要回來不應該這樣做啦那何況 |
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院長鐵路是中央應辦的事項而且是國家的重大交通建設這不是單一指桃園市那為什麼這次會有修正計畫送出來?為什麼?因為工程延宕嘛工程延宕經費增加所以我們才送了這個變更計畫部長沒有錯嘛對不對不是因為延宕而已還有就是對啦還有一些問題嘛你工程延宕才會有後續物料這些問題出現所以那個都增加了很多的經費 |
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部長 工程延宕是鄭文燦市長時代延宕還是張善政延宕還是中央延宕這個工程屬於誰的 |
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這個工程是中央在辦的是嘛,這個工程是中央在辦嘛所以因為各種原因,我不要苛責嘛因為各種原因但是延宕在中央,所以你要幫忙解決問題啊是不是所以現在中央的這個工程,你要讓地方去蒙受這個損失或者是這個傷害我想我們沒有辦法接受啦好,剛才講到說錢的問題 |
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呃 院長啊 你常常一直在喊朝野要團結 共同為了國家好但是今天我們要怎麼團結國家建設 我們碰到國家建設的時候在每一個縣市或許就有藍綠 不然就有派系我為什麼要這樣講 我有所本的今天我不是亂汙止你看 去年的10月14號 同一天同一天 本席在這裡是為桃園鐵路地下化的修正計畫來請命當時也跟你講了很多 |
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那麼蘇巧惠委員當時也為萬大樹林捷運線的修正計畫來請命本席等了七個月今天在這又再跟你提出來了但蘇巧惠委員的一個禮拜後你就合定了 |
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铁路是中央的捷运是地方的那没有关系我觉得我看到那边核定我也替他觉得很高兴也替新北感到很高兴但你不能去苛责对于我们的桃园我们提出来的你都不配合那你不让我联想蓝绿你要我怎么想 |
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沒有 這個新北也是沒有藍綠的問題那你為什麼要這樣區分呢 同一天我談豪雲鐵路地下化然後蘇曉慧委員談他這個萬大線結果呢 一個禮拜後他通過了我們到現在還在這裡 什麼原因你告訴我這一方面也要新北市政府多方的先期作業完成我們才有辦法去核不核准那你現在是說江山這作業不完整囉 |
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這個請交通部能夠跟桃園市政府充分的回答我們桃園市政府你的變身計畫現在送出去了之前有任何地方是桃園市政府不配合或不完整嗎過程當中溝通了一段時間但是現在問題又解決了院長可以不要讓我下一次喔9月的時候但我不知道9月還有沒有辦法質詢到你不要讓我下一次的時候又再問你鐵路地下化好嗎 |
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如果照時間慢慢走一定會走到地下化完成的時候我們不可能跟你慢慢走啦因為這個是非常急的交通建設所以我們再來看另外剛才談到萬大樹林線二期另外再講一個我們高雄小港梨園線 |
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1459.7 |
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1484.868 |
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為什麼我有再提這兩個案子追加經費的變更計畫不好意思 他們這兩個案子都在去年的10月21號同時合訂通過而且連中央負擔的比例也一起調高了我們桃園看了真的很羨慕 院長為什麼這樣分為什麼他們可以調高交通部送來的案子一定有他的考量跟規劃什麼考量 桃園市藍軍執政 |
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上次769億的時候本席都一直跟你講中央延宕對同仁不公平事實上中央應該負擔比例要調高你們不肯就現在看到是綠營講出來的話那別人的這些捷運線然後不是馬上核定就調高中央負擔比例欸 院長你要給我一個說明跟交代 |
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我們現在考慮到很多包括工程用的分擔以及用地的問題用地費都希望全國能夠很平有公平性我希望你會後可以跟部長把這個桃園鐵路地下化變更計畫到底還有什麼問題已經送出來表示沒有什麼問題盡速核定可以嗎 |
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1551.72 |
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已經送到院裡面 我要求我們院裡面的業務單位或是工程會能夠依照時間趕快來處理好 那部長您會後找一個時間跟我們辦公室約一下到我辦公室把他鎖入地下化跟院長討論過後再到我辦公室來好嗎好 謝謝接下來我想也要再請一下我們勞動部的洪部長 |
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老问题国道客运国道客运过去我就在讲我们司机荒这么严重TPass上路的时候恐怕有票也会没车搭果真如此当然交通部也是有了解这个状况所以你也推出了公共运输驾驶扩大的征才方案也补助了高达1亿的经费有在努力 |
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但是成效非常有限到目前为止离职率还是高达20几%到30%那新学人没有进来离职率一直出去我觉得对这个问题我真的觉得快要成为国安问题了那我们看来根据公路局的统计截至去年12月全台的市区客运驾驶缺了1367人国道客运的驾驶还缺了661人 |
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很嚴重那麼特別提到北北七桃我們一直都說它是一個共同生活圈交通當然就是最重要的以桃園的國道客運達成的人次112年1499萬人次然後114年來到了1710萬人次一直在成長當中可是因為司機荒這個院長部長您知道我們桃園的市民多可憐嗎我們的所有的這個國道客運公車每一站它是有限定人數的 |
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1645.465 |
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明明看到上面有空位可是這一站只能上五個那一站只能上三個這是什麼社會這什麼國家大眾運輸要這樣子來限制我們還要用配給的我覺得這我不能接受我們再看到現在桃園市自己的駕駛有815人 |
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1647.227 |
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1663.003 |
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在五年内估计会有116人退休所以现在第一个价值高龄化第二个年轻人不愿意进来这个问题很严重而且会更严重所以我们桃园市政府其实也有建议说是不是我们可以来修正法规 |
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試試看我們讓橋外的畢業生可以來擔任司機喔而且呢這個除了可以解決司機缺口的問題之外也不會去衝擊到本國的勞工因為我們現在大家本國勞工就沒有要做這一行嘛所以我覺得第一個我們可不可以考慮這開放橋外生喔那針對這個意見 |
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交通部還有我們的教育部移民署其實溝通之後本席有去詢問沒有問題大家都覺得可行不過在去年11月的時候這一些整合過的意見送到勞動部但是勞動部回覆是說社會溝通仍然未做足所以我想請教部長這個是要跟誰溝通要溝通什麼沒有做足的地方是什麼問我嗎 |
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我想問我想要跟委員說明其實關於這個是不是能夠讓橋外生來擔任這個客運的價值的議題其實近期我們也跟交通部一直在做討論那我想交通部這邊應該會針對這個安全的把關的問題那只要能夠把配套設計的好然後能夠把這個 |
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同業者的部分我想我們都是持開放的態度交通部的部分跟教育部份 移民局大家都沒有問題嘛現在的問題是卡在你這你說社會溝通還沒有做足嘛我跟文說明我說我們近期其實跟交通部其實針對這個議題已經有在討論了只要能夠把這個關於安全的把關做得好的話我想勞動部是持開放的態度的 |
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你們是不是可以找一個最近期這幾個部會大家一起開一個會立即來研商這件事情不要再拖了如果去年11月就送出來卡在勞動部這樣是不好的好嗎 |
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我們一直在處理這個問題就是要解決交通法規的問題交通習慣的問題 還有語言的問題我們這個開放喬外生事辦這個部分桃園市政委在講我們是不是可以試試看我們或許可以先開放個50個或100個或30個沒有關係來擔任 但是我們還是要考核的比如說剛剛我們提到不管用事故率 乘客滿例度 留任率或者財政的效益等等我們去做一個評估 |
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後面再來看是不是要來全國推動所以我想這個部長如果桃園市政府桃園市政府如果這個事辦計畫他送上來的話你會同意嗎交通部這邊嗎我們會跟勞動部確認整個政策方向可行之後我聽起來就是都還卡在勞動部所以黃部長麻煩重視一下最近有積極在溝通我想跟委員說一次我想我們其實對於這個議題對這個政策我們是指開放的態度 |
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好那最後我想針對我們的雙城巴士法規現在在市民跟市民二之間有一些不一樣的看法但是呢是不是也可以找一個機會跟我們相關單位中央跟地方還有業者呢我們也來談談看到底要怎麼開放雙城巴士 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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謝謝副院長，有請卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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萬委員好。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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卓院長早。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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我想民進黨過去一直都是抱著非核家園的神主牌，在這整個過程當中，可以說為了反核也不惜撕裂臺灣社會，過去你們把很多支持核能的人抹黑成是反科學、不愛臺灣，這個院長一定也聽過。 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:17:59.783000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:18:14.748000+08:00 |
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而去年我們在野黨在修核管法的時候也被污名化、抹紅說我們修核管法是為了要讓中共攻臺開方便之門；同時在這個修法的過程當中，我們所有支持修核管法的委員也被大罷免，成為一個最主要的理由，以上這是我們看到過去修核管法的時候。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:18:14.748000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:18:15.748000+08:00 |
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但是現在看到賴總統突然間說他是感謝立法院通過核管法的，國家政府一定要依法行政。 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:18:15.748000+08:00 |
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當然我們非常樂見他這樣說，不過針對賴清德總統這種政策大轉彎、這樣的說法，本席想請教一下，他有沒有跟院長您事先討論過？ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:18:15.428000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:18:56.640000+08:00 |
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先跟委員報告，反核這個議題不是所謂的神主牌，而是在過去從環境保護的年代一直到發生多起核能事件之後，全球興起這樣一個對核能檢討的觀念，我們只是…… |
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0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:18:57.201000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:03.182000+08:00 |
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院長抱歉，我想這個背景我們了解，我只想要知道…… |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:03.182000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:04.182000+08:00 |
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對，我第一個說它不是神主牌。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:04.082000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:08.783000+08:00 |
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OK，我只想要知道，這一次這個政策的轉彎、賴清德總統這樣的說法，事前有沒有跟你溝通或討論過？ |
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| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:10.423000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:20.377000+08:00 |
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其實萬委員應該記得，我在今年、本會期的施政報告當中已經提到了，在核管法修法之後我們會啟動必要的程序，我已經提到過了。 |
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0.755 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:20.637000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:21.158000+08:00 |
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所以有先跟你討論的意思，對嗎？什麼？ |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:21.158000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:22.158000+08:00 |
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對不起。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:21.158000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:21.618000+08:00 |
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所以賴總統這樣的說法是有先跟你討論過了嗎？ |
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0.9 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:27.848000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:33.870000+08:00 |
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我們在一個政策要形成以及依照法律變更之後都跟部會有充分的討論。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:33.870000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:37.172000+08:00 |
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OK，所以您也知道、也有跟部會都討論過。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:38.792000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:56.362000+08:00 |
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今天有很多地方的民進黨朋友也在講說他們的感受就是，你們集體的決策其實拋下了過去一直跟著你們反核的這些支持者，這樣子突然的言論事實上也是讓很多民進黨的委員、很多的同志覺得你們是殺得他們措手不及！ |
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0.826 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:19:57.303000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:20:32.561000+08:00 |
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院長甚至還說並沒有丟掉反核的神主牌，當然大家可以做名詞上解釋，可是你還要瞎扯說因為非核家園的目標在去年5月就已經達成了，本席今天要在這裡跟您提，如果除役就叫做達成非核家園，那麼你現在重啟，本席必須提醒你，你就是背棄了你們的反核支持者，而且澈底的讓大家看到這是一場為了選舉的騙局，我想院長可能要去想一想，怎麼樣去跟這些反核支持者道歉跟說明。 |
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0.834 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:20:35.863000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:20:48.264000+08:00 |
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剛才說總統要感謝我們立法院通過核管法，不知道院長有沒有提醒我們的總統，當時所有民進黨委員是全數投下反對票，這個您還記得嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:20:49.662000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:00.468000+08:00 |
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我曾經說過，只要立法院當中對一個議題的討論是經過民主的程序、經過民主的表決，沒有違憲、違法，那就是國家的法律。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:00.468000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:01.468000+08:00 |
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沒有錯！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:01.129000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:11.314000+08:00 |
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所以你是尊重嘛，總統也講依法行政嘛，所以你說尊重，但是我們必須要說，你既然要謝謝我們通過，那當時通過的是哪些人？ |
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0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:11.915000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:16.798000+08:00 |
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當時通過的是在野黨，那院長今天要不要表達一下對我跟我們所有當時通過的委員感謝一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:17.808000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:21.049000+08:00 |
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我再強調，如果是充分的討論、民主的程序…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:21.349000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:24.490000+08:00 |
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我們就講核管法，你要感謝一下嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:24.490000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:32.073000+08:00 |
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通過代表國會已經經過充分討論、民主程序，通過一項不會違憲、沒有違法的決議，那就是國家的法律。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:32.453000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:39.515000+08:00 |
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院長，本席每一次的質詢，我覺得都非常的理性，而且就事論事，但不希望你今天用這樣子的方式去耗費我的時間。 |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-24T09:21:39.675000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:47.718000+08:00 |
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我認為既然總統的高度都說他要感謝當時我們通過，通過是誰通過？ |
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0.607 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-24T09:21:48.358000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:49.618000+08:00 |
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民進黨全數投下反對票耶！ |
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0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-24T09:21:50.259000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:21:55+08:00 |
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所以你今天沒有要表達一下當時對我們的這些誣衊道歉，甚至於要罷免我們道歉嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-24T09:21:55.640000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:03.282000+08:00 |
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而且當時民進黨還講沒有關係，大罷免大成功之後，我們再修法，這也是民進黨的委員講的，是不是？ |
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0.575 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-24T09:22:03.723000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:08.064000+08:00 |
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所以我覺得你應該表達一下對我們的感謝或對我們的道歉，院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.519 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:08.889000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:13.670000+08:00 |
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我覺得立法院通過很多的法律，我們都依法執行，總統也公布了，這個都沒有問題。 |
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0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:14.271000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:15.251000+08:00 |
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沒關係，你不聽總統…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-24T09:22:15.251000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:20.552000+08:00 |
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我們重點在於法律通過之後，行政部門有沒有認認真真的依法執行。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-24T09:22:20.672000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:36.217000+08:00 |
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另外，我想要再提醒您，今天總統講到要依法行政，所以就要再提醒您，我們在立法院這裡回應民意的要求，我們通過的不是只有核管法，現在還有很多立法院三讀通過的法律案，也在等著整個行政團隊來執行，我希望你回去再來檢討一下。 |
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0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-24T09:22:36.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-24T09:22:37.217000+08:00 |
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當然，民進黨執政之下的這個錯誤的能源政策，我們也看到全民都付出了很多的代價，這一路以來，包括電價大漲、電力不穩，還有全民買單的事情非常的多，我們看到電價大漲這個部分，蔡英文總統其實說過非核家園在他任內十年…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-24T09:22:37.117000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-24T09:22:37.257000+08:00 |
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電價沒有大漲。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:01.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:02.628000+08:00 |
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十年電價不會大漲…… |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:02.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:03.530000+08:00 |
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沒有大漲。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:03.530000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:04.851000+08:00 |
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但事實是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:04.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:10.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
事實是執政八年漲了四次，漲幅35%，35%你還覺得不是大漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:10.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:13.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
尤其現在的民生電價只有兩塊多…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:13.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:14.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
對不起，我現在還沒有叫你回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:14.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:15.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
民生電價…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:15.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:17.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我現在還沒有叫你回答，你尊重一下，好不好！謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:19.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:35.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
院長，有漲幅這是事實，我今天在這裡問一下，這個禮拜五電價審議委員會就要開會了，我們也知道現在整個國際的局勢非常不穩定，油、電都是問題，為了穩定物價，在這個禮拜五的電價審議委員會開會，會不會針對電費的部分凍漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:39.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:54.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我們都知道國際的情勢現在非常緊張，而且變化非常快速，每一天都有不同的討論，大概全社會都看到國營事業單位在這段時間來對穩定物價、安定社會事實上做了很積極的努力…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:54.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-24T09:23:55.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以會不會凍漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.143 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-24T09:23:54.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:12.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
因為凍不凍漲是屬於電價審議委員會的職責，行政院各部會到目前為止也都不宜介入太多，我們尊重專業，但是我一直相信在國營事業做這麼多積極的穩定電價跟安定社會的狀況之後，大家同樣在一個生活的空間，一定會以這樣的一個思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:13.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:17.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
好，針對中油，中油有指出最近已經吸收了三十幾億…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:18.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:19.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
一共六十幾億了。多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:20.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:21.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
三個禮拜已經65億左右。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:22.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:24.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
好，三個禮拜已經六十幾億了，你看，這個數字其實很大。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:25.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:30.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我想請教的是，下週我們的油價會不會再大漲？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:30.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:48.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
像今天的國際油價就有一點跌幅了，依照國際情勢，變化真的很多，我們隨時緊盯著國際油價，依照我們的公式在計算，如果在公式計算當中有超越大家的負擔的話，那中油、經濟部還會啟動新的…… |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:49.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:52.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
關於油電的穩定，我希望院長在這方面真的要再多用心。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:52.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-24T09:24:53.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
是，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-24T09:24:53.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:10.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
再來，我們看到賴總統這次又在講重啟核電是要因應現況的務實考量，其中提到的就是AI發展，他說AI發展所需要的電力超過原來的預估，這點我想要請教院長，臺灣是今年才開始要發展AI嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:11.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:14.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
之前從來沒有想過供電會不足嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:14.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:16.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
為什麼在去年還要堅持非核家園？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:16.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:34.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
報告委員，從兩年前520賴總統上任之後，我們就一直跟經濟部、台電啟動所有的檢查機制，也都一直告訴大家，在2032年之前我們的供電是無虞的，那個時候就已經把AI發展放在裡面，確實是沒有錯的。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:34.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:34.732000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
不是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:35.213000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:41.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
但現在賴總統是說，我們現在要重啟核電是因為AI發展所需要的電力超過原來預估，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:41.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:46.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
所以供電不足絕對不是現在才因為AI，絕對不是！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:47.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:48.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
這個理由沒有辦法接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:48.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-24T09:25:52.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
在現在之前的每一天，我們的供電還是相當的安全。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-24T09:25:52.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:17.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
我的意思是用這個理由去講重啟核電這件事情，其實是很難被接受的，你看經濟部之前在113年就已經提過全國電力供需報告，當時就在講AI科技的用電需求會從2023年的24萬瓩到2028年會暴增成224萬瓩，這個數字那時候就有了，所以不是今年才看到這個地方。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:17.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:33.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
第二個，賴總統去年5月在民進黨中執會上，我不知道院長有沒有參與，當時他細數非核家園的成績，他說，依照台電的預估，就算加上了AI，臺灣到2030年也可以穩定供電…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:33.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:34.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
是的，到目前為止還是這樣。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:33.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:38.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
那時候說可以穩定供電，現在又說因為AI的電力超過原本的預估，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:38.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:39.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
到2032年之前還是可以穩定供電。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:38.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:39.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
不要插話，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:40.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:41.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
懂不懂備詢的禮貌啊！提醒…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:43.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:45.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
你至少等人家把問題問完嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:46.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:46.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
真的要教教你們耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:46.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:49.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
龔部長是提醒這個數字，讓它更精確。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:50.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:51.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
不應該這樣插話、不應該這樣插話！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:51.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:52.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
好的、好的。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:51.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:55.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
院長，你今天在講話的時候，其實有時候有些冗長，但我也沒有打斷你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:55.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-24T09:26:57.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我覺得大家彼此互相尊重，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-24T09:26:58.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-24T09:27:05.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
所以從這點上面看來，本席認為今年的賴總統打臉了過去的賴主席，這點院長怎麼看？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-24T09:27:06.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-24T09:27:28.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
並非，因為真的國際情勢變化非常快，有關稅談判、內需增加，又有國際戰爭情勢，而且戰爭之後，可能要一段時間才會恢復整個國際上油氣供應的秩序，所以我們可以預做準備，如果備而不用是最好，萬一要用就有備無患。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:27:29.363000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:27:35.770000+08:00 |
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接著，賴總統這次又說，因為地緣政治的關係，臺灣的電力建置應該要有能源韌性。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:27:36.671000+08:00 |
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不過這句話我看起來的解讀是，難道過去我們非核家園的能源政策韌性是不足的，所以今天談到我們要加強韌性？ |
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| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:05.049000+08:00 |
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我們看到這次是因為戰爭的關係，從來沒有想過這麼遙遠的戰爭會影響全世界，甚至於嚴重影響這麼遠的臺灣，我們也發現，如果我們只是一再地仰賴天然氣，同時天然氣的儲備量也只有11天，這樣的發電韌性本來就不夠，所以以前就應該知道，怎麼會現在才拿來講？ |
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0.954 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:20.306000+08:00 |
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過去臺灣一直有很安全的油氣存量，是法定存量，這都沒有問題，但是也沒有像最近幾年中共艦機一直在侵擾臺灣，我們必須為臺灣的安全預做更多的防範措施。 |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:20.426000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:24.383000+08:00 |
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院長，總是這樣子啊！ |
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0.75 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:30.887000+08:00 |
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修核管法時說為中共開方便之門，談任何臺灣的民生議題，沒話講的時候總是扯到中共。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:30.887000+08:00 |
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1 |
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這是事實啊！ |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:31.448000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:33.729000+08:00 |
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中共侵擾臺灣，本席也認為不對…… |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:33.729000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:34.729000+08:00 |
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是，所以我們加強防衛啊！ |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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但是我們不應該把所有在臺灣裡面的政策、不應該把所有執政不力或是民生議題做不好，通通拿一個中共就可以概括過去了……沒有。 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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這點我希望以後不要，至少我在跟你質詢的時候，不要拿這個來搪塞。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:28:51.480000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:01.731000+08:00 |
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接下來，既然現在要重啟核電，在行政院國家永續發展委員會裡面有一個非核家園推動專案小組，這個小組是不是應該廢掉？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-03-24T09:29:04.795000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:19.256000+08:00 |
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非核家園還是我們在法律當中應該有的，只是把那個年限拿掉而已，如果將來我們的再生能源甚至新式能源都能夠進來，我們是另外一種態度來看它。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:19.497000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:38.009000+08:00 |
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院長，過去你們是完全反核，當然我們主張能源要有多種選擇，只是過去你們一直堅持反核，現在既然要重啟核電，我想你們回去研議一下，這個非核家園推動專案小組，你就算不想廢，至少名稱、任務、性質、內容應該要去做修改。 |
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0.923 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:39.049000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:39.410000+08:00 |
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最後，我想…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-24T09:29:40.010000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:41.050000+08:00 |
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是不是可以講一句話？ |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:41.050000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:52.614000+08:00 |
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目前我們沒有廢不廢的問題，但未來如果新式核能能夠被大家接受的話，全世界商用，而新式核能的用途，臺灣如果可以討論也使用的話，那就是另外一個境界了。 |
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0.985 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:29:53.795000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:01.477000+08:00 |
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你可以去做你的詮釋，我都尊重啦，但是我必須要講，我們過去的錯誤政策，其實為全民帶來非常大的一個代價付出啦！ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:01.477000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:02.558000+08:00 |
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並沒有錯誤。 |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:02.558000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:07.620000+08:00 |
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現在你要來檢討能源政策，要開放核能，我們樂觀其成，但是要往對的方向繼續，好嗎？ |
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0.941 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:09.406000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:22.774000+08:00 |
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接下來我想跟院長討論的是關於毒品的問題，院長，去年12月2號本席在你的臉書上看到，你寫新世代反毒策略實施到現在，平均每年毒品施用人數減少1萬1,000人，對嗎？ |
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0.667 |
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萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-24T09:30:22.774000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-24T09:30:25.216000+08:00 |
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你的臉書上這樣寫。 |
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0.25 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:25.216000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:31.840000+08:00 |
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行政院隨後發布新聞稿說，施用毒品跟新生毒品的人口數呈現逐年下降，這兩個對嗎？人數？ |
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0.595 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:31.840000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:32.840000+08:00 |
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對，這數字對嗎？ |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:32.840000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-24T09:30:33.840000+08:00 |
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所以這樣的緝毒成效…… |
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0.222 |
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鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-24T09:30:33.840000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:34.840000+08:00 |
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的確，施用毒品的與新生毒品的都下降。 |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:34.840000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:35.840000+08:00 |
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對不起喔！ |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:35.840000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:36.840000+08:00 |
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剛才我才在教，學一下好嗎？ |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:36.840000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:37.840000+08:00 |
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我們要互相尊重，我要請你發言的時候自然會請您，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:35.026000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:37.147000+08:00 |
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院長，這樣的緝毒成效，你在臉書上寫出來是算滿意嗎？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-24T09:30:51.978000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:30:58.061000+08:00 |
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這絕對不滿意，但是這對執法人員是一大鼓勵，我們希望他們能夠認真用力的去打擊不法。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-24T09:30:58.182000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:31:07.046000+08:00 |
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好，很好，同意，我同意，但是您看一下，您擔任院長之後，法務部的統計，施用毒品的人數事實上是從111年的4萬3,746人，增加了2,389人，來到了4萬6,135人，所以是不減反增，何來的逐年減少？ |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:31:07.086000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:31:07.346000+08:00 |
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這第一個。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-24T09:31:07.346000+08:00 |
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第二個，院長，我相信你一定同意這當中還有黑數，你一定同意，所以如果不減反增、中間還有黑數，事實上我是覺得毒品問題太嚴重了，我們應該一起努力讓這個問題趕快被解決。 |
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| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-24T09:31:31.361000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:31:33.082000+08:00 |
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是，所以不會滿意這樣的結果跟數字。 |
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| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:31:33.523000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:31:52.375000+08:00 |
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然後施用毒品的人數又以二級毒品，包括安非他命、大麻等等人數最多，其中其實本席很關心的就是我們俗稱的喪屍煙彈依托咪酯，這個現在被歸納在二級毒品當中，而且它是用電子煙來作為吸毒的載具。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-24T09:31:54.195000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:31:59.657000+08:00 |
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當電子煙成為毒品的一個載具的時候，連帶的一個問題就是我們吸毒的年齡會往下降。是。 |
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0.946 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:32:00.477000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:32:14.265000+08:00 |
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法務部自己也統計，18歲到30歲年齡層的吸食比例現在已經來到兩成多了，而且本席常常都講這個絕對還有黑數在裡面，這樣的問題其實對年輕人傷害非常大。 |
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0.984 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:32:14.746000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:32:21.917000+08:00 |
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另外，我們現在在校園裡面又限縮了教師的管教權，我都不知道校園毒品防制到底要怎麼做才好？ |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-24T09:32:23.520000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-24T09:32:45.236000+08:00 |
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再來，我們看到院長也是有發現這個問題的重要性，所以在去年6月12日您在主持毒品防制會議當中也說要加速修正菸害防制法，針對電子煙增訂沒入銷毀的規定；衛福部石部長也說要開始開罰電子煙的持有者。 |
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0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-24T09:32:47.257000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:07.871000+08:00 |
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這個很重要，我們看到針對電子煙的現行法規是規定禁止製造、禁止販賣、禁止吸食，但沒有禁止持有，所以其實很難查緝，很難開罰，所以您提的這個部分本席很認同，但是修法進度現在到哪裡了？ |
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0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:07.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:08.271000+08:00 |
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請石部長說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:08.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:15.076000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，我們已經擬具修法的條文，目前在行政院審查當中，準備要送立法院。 |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:15.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:19.661000+08:00 |
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要快啊，去年的6月到現在都要1年了還在準備中！ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:20.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:27.824000+08:00 |
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既然有好的構想，加快速度嘛，不要一天到晚想那些有的沒有的，最重要的法案要趕快進行，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:28.265000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:44.232000+08:00 |
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因為如果我們吸食毒品的人數增加，也會衍生出毒駕的問題，我們看到113年毒駕2,619件，到了114年暴增到8,659件，光今年1月，院長知道今年1月就多少件嗎？ |
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0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:45.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:48.213000+08:00 |
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今年1月就1,236件，這是很可怕的數字喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:49.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:52.474000+08:00 |
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是，毒駕的嚴重性已經不亞於酒駕了。 |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:52.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-03-24T09:33:53.474000+08:00 |
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毒駕很嚴重啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-24T09:33:52.474000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:34:13.339000+08:00 |
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當然，你看高雄那時候還發生了一個大家都矚目的案件，因為他吸食了剛才本席所說的依托咪酯，結果毒駕撞死了一個三寶媽，連你們自己高雄市陳其邁市長都說要對毒駕加重修法，所以對毒駕加重修法，院長支不支持？支持。 |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:13.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:14.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
那準備怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:13.939000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:17.320000+08:00 |
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我們覺得強力的取締、加重處罰應該是有效的。 |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:18.220000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:18.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
那準備怎麼做呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:19.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:19.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
請部長說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:20.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:23.101000+08:00 |
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毒駕的確有經過好幾次的修法，有做加重。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:23.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:35.885000+08:00 |
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我想在修法這部分，因為毒駕致人於死或致重傷都有加重處罰的規定，關於毒駕的嚴重性我們現在非常的重視…… |
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0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:36.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:37.445000+08:00 |
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修法要快一點啦，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:37.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:38.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
尤其是…… |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:38.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:41.826000+08:00 |
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這部分有修法，致死的這部分有修法。 |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:41.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-03-24T09:34:46.306000+08:00 |
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所有今天本席提到的修法，我覺得速度都要加快，好嗎？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-03-24T09:34:46.587000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:35:00.749000+08:00 |
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尤其我們剛剛提到電子煙的部分，因為年輕人涉及的真的太多了，我們要知道電子煙對年輕人的傷害，輕者是他吸煙的一個入門門檻，重者是他吸毒的一個媒介，所以這個部分請加快速度。 |
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0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:00.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:01.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
謝謝兩位。 |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:01.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:02.749000+08:00 |
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是，謝謝。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:01.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:05.490000+08:00 |
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接下來，有兩個部分都是要談論交通的議題。 |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:35:09.630000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:35:31.657000+08:00 |
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院長，桃園鐵路地下化，每一次、每一個會期我都要再提，但是請您看一下桃園鐵路地下化的工程進度，其實本席固定都會去看鐵道局官網的辦理情形並截圖下來，為什麼官網突然改版，我突然看不到預定工程進度，為什麼？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:31.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:32.858000+08:00 |
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是因為落後太多不敢呈現嗎？部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:36.198000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:39.680000+08:00 |
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向委員報告，因為我們現在正在修正當中…… |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:40.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:41.421000+08:00 |
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修正什麼？ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:42.022000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:43.422000+08:00 |
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我們在修正計畫當中。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:43.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:44.422000+08:00 |
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不是啦！部長…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:44.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:45.244000+08:00 |
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修正計畫裡面有包含整個完工的日期…… |
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0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:45.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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2026-03-24T09:35:50.947000+08:00 |
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部長，您修正計畫跟遮掉過去都會一直顯示出來的預定進度，為什麼？ |
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0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:51.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-03-24T09:35:58.452000+08:00 |
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我跟你講，你遮掉這個數字，但你遮蓋不掉的是一個延宕落後的事實，所以這個沒有必要。 |
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0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-03-24T09:35:58.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-03-24T09:36:01.534000+08:00 |
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是，如果委員有需要這樣的資料，我們隨時可以提供，沒有問題。 |
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0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-03-24T09:36:02.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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2026-03-24T09:36:22.832000+08:00 |
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鐵路地下化進度落後，這件事情每一次我都在講，原物料大漲，原本規劃1,048億已經不夠了，所以要再追加769億，但是這個變更計畫從去年8月20號簽陳到行政院，到現在7個月了，院長，您為什麼一直不核定？ |
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0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-03-24T09:36:24.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-03-24T09:36:49.939000+08:00 |
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交通部的這個報告當中，我們考慮到很多的因素，包括它有一個古蹟遺址的問題，還有考慮到現在物價持續上漲，到底工程費如何核算；另外，還有南延段的問題，我記憶當中是如此，這些加起來變成它現在還在審慎地考量當中。 |
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0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-03-24T09:36:50.564000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-03-24T09:36:50.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
不是吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-03-24T09:36:52.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-03-24T09:36:56.330000+08:00 |
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院長，交通部已經送了變更計畫。是。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-03-24T09:36:56.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-03-24T09:36:59.753000+08:00 |
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你剛剛以上所說的3個問題…… |
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0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-03-24T09:36:59.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:01.995000+08:00 |
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院裡面還要再討論交通部的審議內容。 |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:02.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:11.024000+08:00 |
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您剛剛以上所說的3個問題都是舊問題了，也在解決當中或已經解決了，現在是變更計畫，你不核定，我們沒有辦法往下走啊！院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:13.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:14.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
要看過去的問題有沒有解決啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:14.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:15.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
有沒有解決？ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:15.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:16.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
你要問交通部嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:16.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:19.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
所以現在院裡面正在處理…… |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:20.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:24.526000+08:00 |
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都送上去7個月了，有的已經解決了、有的已經有解決計畫了，今天變更計畫已經送到您那裡。 |
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0.757 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:24.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:28.750000+08:00 |
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好，院長，您可以核定我們這個變更計畫嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:28.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:32.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
我們會照程序來走，現在是在工程會嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:32.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:32.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
現在在行政院。 |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:32.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:33.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
什麼時候可以核定呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:33.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:36.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
因為增加的金額比較大，所以一些問題還在詢問…… |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:36.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:38.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
增加金額比較大，這是問題嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:39.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:41.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
這是財務問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:41.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:41.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
這是什麼樣的財務問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:41.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:46.417000+08:00 |
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因為中央錢越來越少，財劃法被分掉很多。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:46.757000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:46.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
財劃法！ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:47.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:49.917000+08:00 |
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我們不要在這裡再來吵財劃法。 |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:50.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:50.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
這是事實。 |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:51.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:55.379000+08:00 |
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沒有意義啦，我跟你講，財劃法的精神是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:55.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-03-24T09:37:56.659000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
我在這裡就不要去重複。 |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-03-24T09:37:57.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:05.542000+08:00 |
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過去要解決城鄉發展不均、地方資源分配等等，財劃法，賴清德總統在當市長的時候也說要修，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:05.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:09.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].text |
鄭文燦也說要修，地方這些首長都說要修，所以在這裡不要吵財劃法。 |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:10.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:19.802000+08:00 |
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你現在不能因為我們把財劃法原本應該分配給中央的給了地方，你再用另外一隻手，把應該有的補助重大建設經費要回來，不應該這樣做啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:20.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:31.791000+08:00 |
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院長，何況鐵路是中央應辦的事項，而且是國家的重大交通建設，這不單一只有桃園市，為什麼這次會有修正計畫送出來，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:31.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:38.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].text |
因為工程延宕、經費增加，所以我們才送了變更計畫，部長，沒有錯嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:38.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:40.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
不是因為延宕而已，還有原物料價格波動…… |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:40.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:46.539000+08:00 |
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對啦，還有一些問題，你工程延宕才會有後續物料的這些問題出現嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:46.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:47.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
還有剛剛院長提到的挖到古蹟，所以那個都增加了很多經費。 |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.48 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:48.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:51.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
部長，工程延宕是鄭文燦市長時代延宕？ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:51.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:53.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
還是張善政延宕？ |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:53.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:54.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
還是中央延宕？ |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:54.570000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:55.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
這個工程屬於誰的？ |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:56.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-03-24T09:38:57.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
這個工程是中央在辦的。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-03-24T09:38:57.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-03-24T09:39:07.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
是嘛，這個工程是中央在辦，所以因為各種原因，我不要苛責，因為各種原因，但是延宕在中央，所以你要幫忙解決問題啊，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-03-24T09:39:08.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-03-24T09:39:17.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
現在中央的這個工程，你要讓地方去蒙受這個損失或者是這個傷害，我想我們沒有辦法接受啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-03-24T09:39:17.608000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-03-24T09:39:25.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
剛才講到錢的問題，院長，你常常一直在喊朝野要團結，共同為了國家好。 |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-03-24T09:39:26.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-03-24T09:39:28.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
但是今天我們要怎麼團結？ |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-03-24T09:39:29.538000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-03-24T09:39:35.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].text |
我們碰到國家建設的時候，在每一個縣市或許就有藍綠，不然就有派系，我為什麼要這樣講？ |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-03-24T09:39:35.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-03-24T09:39:58.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
我有所本，今天我不是亂誣指，你看去年10月14號，同一天本席在這裡是為桃園鐵路地下化的修正計畫請命，當時也跟你講了很多，蘇巧慧委員當時也為捷運「萬大樹林線」的修正計畫來請命，本席等了七個月，今天在這裡又再跟你提出來了，蘇巧慧委員的，一個禮拜後你就核定了。 |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:00.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:07.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
鐵路是中央的，捷運是地方的，那沒有關係，我看到那邊核定，我也替他覺得很高興，也替新北感到很高興…… |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:07.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[205].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:11.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
不是啦，這沒有藍綠問題、沒有黨派問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:11.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:12.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
但對於我們桃園，你不能苛責啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
0.385 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:12.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:18.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
我們提出來的你都不配合，你不讓我聯想藍綠，你要我怎麼想？沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0.741 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:18.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:21.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
什麼原因嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:21.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:22.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].text |
新北也是…… |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:23.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[210].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:24.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
這沒有藍綠的問題，沒有黨派的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:24.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:25.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].text |
那你為什麼要這樣區分？ |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:25.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:25.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
同一天…… |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:25.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:26.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
沒有、沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:26.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:35.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].text |
我談桃園鐵路地下化，蘇巧慧委員談萬大線，結果一個禮拜後他通過了，我們到現在還在這裡，你告訴我是什麼原因？ |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:35.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:42.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].text |
這一方面也要新北市政府多方的先期作業完成，我們才有辦法去核不核准…… |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:42.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:43.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].text |
那你現在是說張善政作業不完整囉！ |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:44.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:44.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
這個請交通部…… |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:44.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:46.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].text |
並沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:46.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:47.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].text |
請交通部跟桃園市政府充分合作。 |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:48.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:53.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].text |
部長，你的變更計畫現在送出去了，之前有任何地方是桃園市政府不配合或不完整嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:53.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2026-03-24T09:40:56.821000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].text |
過程當中溝通了一段時間，但是現在問題有解決了。 |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2026-03-24T09:40:58.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:03.344000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].text |
院長，可以不要讓我下一次，9月的時候……但我不知道9月還有沒有辦法質詢到你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[222].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[223].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:04.605000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:06.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].text |
不要讓我下一次的時候又再問你鐵路地下化好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[223].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[224].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:07.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[224].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:11.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[224].text |
如果照時程慢慢走，一定會走到地下化完成的時候。 |
| transcript.gazette[224].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[225].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:11.864000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:13.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[225].text |
我們不可能跟你慢慢走啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[225].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[226].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:13.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[226].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:14.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[226].text |
照程序走。 |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[227].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:13.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[227].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:16.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[227].text |
因為這個是非常急的交通建設。 |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[228].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:20.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[228].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:27.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[228].text |
剛剛提到萬大樹林線第二期，另外再講一個高雄小港林園線，為什麼我會再提這兩個案子？ |
| transcript.gazette[228].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[229].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:28.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[229].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:31.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[229].text |
追加經費的變更計畫，不好意思喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[230].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:31.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[230].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:41.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[230].text |
這兩個案子都在去年10月21號同時核定通過，而且連中央負擔的比例也一起調高了，我們桃園看了真的很羨慕欸！ |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[231].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:41.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[231].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:43.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].text |
院長，為什麼這樣分？ |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:45.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:45.906000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].text |
為什麼他們可以調高？ |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:47.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[233].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:50.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
交通部送來的案子，一定有它的考量跟規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[233].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[234].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:50.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:50.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
什麼考量嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[234].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[235].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[235].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:51.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[235].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:51.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[235].text |
桃園是藍軍執政？ |
| transcript.gazette[235].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[236].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[236].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:51.848000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[236].end |
2026-03-24T09:41:56.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[236].text |
報告委員，其實沒有在分縣市啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[236].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[237].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[237].start |
2026-03-24T09:41:56.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[237].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:16.123000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[237].text |
上次769億的時候，本席就一直跟你講，中央延宕對桃園不公平，事實上，中央應該負擔比例要調高，你們不肯，結果現在看到的是綠營講出來的話，別人的捷運線不是馬上核定就是調高中央負擔比例，院長，你要給我一個說明跟交代，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[237].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[238].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[238].start |
2026-03-24T09:42:17.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[238].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:25.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[238].text |
我們現在考慮到很多，包括工程費用的分擔，以及用地的問題、用地費，都希望全國能夠衡平、有公平性。 |
| transcript.gazette[238].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[239].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[239].start |
2026-03-24T09:42:26.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[239].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:33.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[239].text |
院長，我希望你會後可以跟部長把桃園鐵路地下化變更計畫……到底還有什麼問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[239].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[240].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[240].start |
2026-03-24T09:42:33.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[240].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:36.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[240].text |
已經送出來表示沒有什麼問題，儘速核定，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[240].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[241].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[241].start |
2026-03-24T09:42:39.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[241].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:46.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[241].text |
這個已經送到院裡面，我會要求我們院裡面的業務單位或是工程會能夠依照時間趕快來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[241].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[242].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[242].start |
2026-03-24T09:42:47.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[242].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:55.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[242].text |
好，部長，您會後找一個時間跟我們辦公室約一下，把鐵路地下化跟院長討論過後，再到我辦公室來，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[242].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[243].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[243].start |
2026-03-24T09:42:55.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[243].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:56.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[243].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[243].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[244].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[244].start |
2026-03-24T09:42:56.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[244].end |
2026-03-24T09:42:58.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[244].text |
接下來，我想再請一下勞動部洪部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[244].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[245].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[245].start |
2026-03-24T09:43:02.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[245].end |
2026-03-24T09:43:12.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[245].text |
老問題，國道客運過去我就在講，司機荒這麼嚴重，TPASS上路的時候，恐怕有票也會沒車搭，果真如此。 |
| transcript.gazette[245].quality |
0.605 |
| transcript.gazette[246].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[246].start |
2026-03-24T09:43:12.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[246].end |
2026-03-24T09:43:34.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[246].text |
當然交通部也有了解這個狀況，所以你也推出了公共運輸駕駛擴大的徵才方案，也補助了高達1億1經費，有在努力，但是成效非常有限，到目前為止，離職率還是高達二十幾趴到三十趴，新血沒有進來但是離職者一直出去，我真的覺得快要成為國安問題了。 |
| transcript.gazette[246].quality |
0.592 |
| transcript.gazette[247].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[247].start |
2026-03-24T09:43:37.343000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[247].end |
2026-03-24T09:43:54.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[247].text |
根據公路局的統計，截至去年12月，全臺市區客運駕駛缺了1,367人，國道客運駕駛還缺了661人，很嚴重，特別提到北北基桃，我們一直都說它是一個共同生活圈，交通當然就是最重要的。 |
| transcript.gazette[247].quality |
0.803 |
| transcript.gazette[248].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[248].start |
2026-03-24T09:43:55.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[248].end |
2026-03-24T09:44:12.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[248].text |
桃園國道客運112年搭乘人次1,499萬，114年來到了1,710萬人次，一直在成長當中，可是因為司機荒，院長、部長，您知道我們桃園市民多可憐嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[248].quality |
0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[249].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[249].start |
2026-03-24T09:44:13.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[249].end |
2026-03-24T09:44:22.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[249].text |
所有國道客運公車，每一站是有限定人數的，明明看到上面有空位，可是這一站只能上5個，那一站只能上3個，這是什麼社會？ |
| transcript.gazette[249].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[250].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[250].start |
2026-03-24T09:44:22.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[250].end |
2026-03-24T09:44:23.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[250].text |
這什麼國家？ |
| transcript.gazette[250].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[251].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[251].start |
2026-03-24T09:44:24.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[251].end |
2026-03-24T09:44:28.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[251].text |
大眾運輸要這樣子來限制我們，還要用配給的，我覺得這我不能接受啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[251].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[252].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[252].start |
2026-03-24T09:44:30.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[252].guessed |
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我們再看到，現在桃園市自己的駕駛有815人，但五年內估計會有116人退休，所以現在第一個，駕駛高齡化，第二個，年輕人不願意進來，這個問題很嚴重，而且會更嚴重，桃園市政府其實也有建議，是不是可以修正法規，試試看，讓僑外畢業生可以來擔任司機？ |
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0.74 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:44:56.087000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:06.034000+08:00 |
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這個除了可以解決司機缺口的問題之外，也不會衝擊到本國勞工，因為現在本國勞工就沒有人要做這一行，所以，第一個，我們可不可以考慮開放僑外生？ |
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0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[254].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:06.914000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:27.161000+08:00 |
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針對這個意見，交通部、教育部、移民署溝通之後，本席有去詢問，沒有問題，大家都覺得可行，不過去年11月的時候，這一些整合過的意見送到勞動部，但是勞動部的回復是社會溝通仍然未做足，所以我想請教部長，要跟誰溝通？ |
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0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[255].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[255].start |
2026-03-24T09:45:27.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[255].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[255].end |
2026-03-24T09:45:28.761000+08:00 |
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要溝通什麼？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[256].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[256].start |
2026-03-24T09:45:28.761000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[256].end |
2026-03-24T09:45:29.781000+08:00 |
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沒有做足的地方是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[256].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[257].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[257].start |
2026-03-24T09:45:29.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[257].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[257].end |
2026-03-24T09:45:32.662000+08:00 |
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問我嗎？我想…… |
| transcript.gazette[257].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[258].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[258].start |
2026-03-24T09:45:32.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[258].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[258].end |
2026-03-24T09:45:36.426000+08:00 |
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你是勞動部長吧？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[258].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[259].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:36.426000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:56.684000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，關於是不是能夠讓僑外生擔任客運駕駛的議題，其實近期我們也跟交通部一直在討論，我想交通部應該會針對安全把關的問題，只要能夠把配套設計得好，能夠把…… |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[260].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:56.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[260].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:58.906000+08:00 |
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不是啦！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[261].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
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2026-03-24T09:45:58.906000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:46:01.949000+08:00 |
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從業者的部分，我們都是持開放的態度。 |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[262].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:46:02.029000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:46:08.194000+08:00 |
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部長，交通部、教育部、移民署都沒有問題，現在的問題是卡在你這，你說社會溝通還沒有做足嘛！ |
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0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[263].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[263].start |
2026-03-24T09:46:08.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[263].guessed |
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2026-03-24T09:46:19.925000+08:00 |
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跟委員說明，我說近期其實跟交通部針對這個議題已經有在討論了，只要能把安全把關做得好，勞動部是持開放的態度。 |
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0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[264].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[264].start |
2026-03-24T09:46:20.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[264].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[264].end |
2026-03-24T09:46:26.691000+08:00 |
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你們是不是可以近期找這幾個部會一起開會，立即研商這件事情，不要再拖了？ |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[265].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[265].start |
2026-03-24T09:46:27.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[265].guessed |
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2026-03-24T09:46:30.034000+08:00 |
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如果去年11月就送出來，卡在勞動部，這樣是不好的，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[265].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[266].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[266].start |
2026-03-24T09:46:31.056000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:46:38.739000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們一直在處理這個問題，就是要解決交通法規的問題、交通習慣的問題，還有語言的問題。 |
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0.902 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-24T09:46:39.739000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:46:41.440000+08:00 |
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院長，可不可以指示一下，開放僑外生試辦這部分？ |
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0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[268].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[268].start |
2026-03-24T09:46:42.020000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:00.627000+08:00 |
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桃園市政府也在講是不是可以試試看，或許可以先開放50個或100個或30個都沒關係，來擔任司機，但是我們還是要考核的，比如剛剛我們提到不管用事故率、乘客滿意度、留任率或者財政效益等等，我們去做一個評估，後面再來看看是不是要全國推動。 |
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0.929 |
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萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[269].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:01.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[269].guessed |
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2026-03-24T09:47:08.170000+08:00 |
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部長，如果桃園市政府把試辦計畫送上來，你會同意嗎？ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[270].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[270].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:08.170000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:09.190000+08:00 |
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交通部這邊嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[270].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[271].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[271].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:09.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[271].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:10.190000+08:00 |
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交通部。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[272].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[272].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:09.190000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:13.332000+08:00 |
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我們會跟勞動部確認整個政策方向可行之後，我們就會同意。 |
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0.8 |
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萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[273].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:13.632000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:14.572000+08:00 |
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我聽起來就是還卡在勞動部嘛！ |
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0.846 |
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萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[274].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:14.652000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:15.092000+08:00 |
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所以洪部長，麻煩重視這個議題，好嗎？ |
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0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[275].speaker |
陳部長世凱 |
| transcript.gazette[275].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:15.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[275].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[275].end |
2026-03-24T09:47:15.713000+08:00 |
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不會、不會，我們最近有積極在溝通。 |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[276].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[276].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:15.873000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:25.114000+08:00 |
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我想再跟委員說一次，其實對於這個議題、政策，我們是持開放的態度。好。 |
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0.931 |
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萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[277].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:25.634000+08:00 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:41.867000+08:00 |
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最後，針對雙層巴士，法規現在在4米跟4米2之間有些不一樣的看法，是不是也可以找個機會跟相關單位，包含中央、地方還有業者談談看到底要怎麼開放雙層巴士？ |
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0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[278].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[278].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:42.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[278].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[278].end |
2026-03-24T09:47:47.509857+08:00 |
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要怎麼補助雙層巴士的金額，法規要怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[278].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[279].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[279].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:47.809857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[279].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-24T09:47:57.809857+08:00 |
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會後我們來開個會，把這些事情整合、敲定一下，來解決司機荒的問題，好不好？好的。謝謝。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[280].start |
2026-03-24T09:47:58.109857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:48:00.967000+08:00 |
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謝謝萬委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-24T09:48:01.267000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-24T09:48:04.124143+08:00 |
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下一位請游顥委員質詢。 |
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0 |