| IVOD_ID |
167806 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167806 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-24T09:17:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-24T09:47:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e45a85cfecfeae920e1a794398122fe4909f2e94215b28140b257ea3ef7aa4c162239c163286f5825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
萬美玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:17:07 - 09:47:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第4次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「對本院內政委員會召集委員李柏毅115年3月16日主持會議時之行為提出最嚴厲之譴責，並將李柏毅委員移送紀律委員會。嚴正要求民進黨政府：停止踐踏中華民國的民主與法治，停止對陸配與新住民的歧視、打壓與追殺。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月20日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月20日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝副院長 我們有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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好主委長早我想民進黨過去那一直都是抱著非核家園的神主牌在這整個過程當中可以說為了反核也不惜撕裂台灣社會那麼再過去我們把很多支持核的人去抹黑成為是反科學 |
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不爱台湾这个院长一定也听过那同时在去年我们在野党在修核管法的时候也被污名化抹红说我们修核管法是为了要让中共攻台开方便之门那同时在这个修法的过程当中我们所有支持这个修核管法的委员也被 |
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新聞報告 |
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反核這個議題不是所謂的神主牌而是在過去從環境保護的年代一直到發生多起的核能事件之後整個全球興起這樣一個對核能檢討的觀念院長抱歉我想這個背景我們了解我只想要知道說這一次這個政策的轉彎賴先生總統這樣的說法事前有沒有跟你溝通或討論過 |
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萬元你應該可以記得我在今年這次本會議的施政報告當中已經提到了在核光法修法之後我們會啟動必要的程序所以有先跟你討論的意思嗎 對嗎賴總統這樣的說法是有先跟你討論過了嗎 |
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我們在一個政策要形成以及依照法律變更之後都跟部會有充分的討論所以您也知道那也有跟部會都討論過但我認為就是說今天有很地方很多民進黨朋友也在講說他們的感受上就是你們集體的決策其實拋下了過去一直跟著你們反核的這些支持者 |
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所以呢 这样突然的言论事实上也是让很多民进党的委员很多的同志你们是杀得他们措手不及那甚至于 甚至于院长您还说这个并没有丢掉反核的神主牌这大家可以做名词上解释可是你还要瞎扯说因为这个非核家园的目标在去年五月就已经达成了那本席今天要在这里跟您提 |
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如果說廚藝就叫做達成非核家園那麼你現在重啟必須提醒你你就是背棄了你們的反核支持者而且徹底讓大家看到這是一場為了選舉的一個騙局我想院長你可能要去想一想怎麼樣去跟你們這些反核支持者來道歉跟說明那麼再提到 |
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剛才說總統要感謝我們立法院通過核管法不知道院長有沒有提醒我們的總統當時我們所有民進黨委員是全數投下反對票這個您還記得嗎 |
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我曾經說過只要在立法院當中對一個議題的討論是經過民主的程序經過民主的表決沒有違憲違法那就是國家的法律所以你是尊重嘛總統也講說要依法行政所以你說尊重但是我們必須要講說你既然要謝謝謝謝我們通過當時的通過是哪些人當時通過是在野黨院長你今天要不要表達一下對我跟對我們所有當時通過的委員感謝一下 |
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我再強調如果是充分的討論民主的程序我們就講核管法啊你要感謝一下嗎通過代表國會已經經過充分討論民主程序通過一項不會違憲沒有違法的決議那就是國家的法律我想本席每一次的質詢我覺得都非常的理性而且就事論事但不希望你今天用這樣的方式去耗費我的時間那我認為啦 |
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既然总统的高度都在讲说他是要感谢当时我们通过通过是推通过民进党全数投下反对票所以你今天没有要表达一下当时对我们的这些污蔑的道歉甚至于罢免我们的道歉吗而且当时的这个民进党还讲到说那没有关系大罢免大成功之后我们再修法这也是民进党的委员讲的是不是所以我觉得你对我们的感谢或对我们的道歉其实应该表达一下的院长 |
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我覺得立法院通過很多的法律我們都依法執行總統也公布了沒關係 你不聽總統我們重點在於法律通過之後行政部門有沒有認認真真的依法執行另外我想要再提醒您就是說今天總統講到要依法行政所以就要再提醒您說我們回憶民意的要求在立法院這裡我們通過的不是只有核管法我想現在還有很多立法院通過三讀通過的法律案也在等著整個行政團隊 |
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電價沒有大漲 |
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10年電價不會大漲但事實是什麼事實是執政8年漲了4次漲幅35%35%你還覺得不是大漲35%還不是大漲對不起我現在還沒有叫你回答我現在還沒有叫你回答你尊重一下好不好 |
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所以院長我想有漲幅這是事實今天我在這裡要問一下我們這個禮拜五我們電價審議委員會就要開會了我們也知道現在整個國際的局勢非常不穩定油電都是問題那未來穩定物價我們在這個禮拜五的電價審議委員會的開會會不會針對電費的部分動漲 |
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我們都知道國際的情勢現在非常緊張而且變化非常快速每一天都有不同的討論那大概全社會我們都看到國營事業單位在這段時間來對穩定物價安定社會事實上做了很積極的努力動不動長因為這個是屬於電價審議委員會的職責 |
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那行政院到目前為止各部會也都不宜太多我們尊重專業但是我一直相信在國營事業做這麼多積極的穩定電價跟安定社會的狀況之後大家同樣在一個生活的空間一定會以這樣的一個思考那針對中油啊中油有指出嘛最近它已經都吸收了三十幾億嘛一共六十幾億了多少 |
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三個禮拜已經65億左右三個禮拜已經60幾億了嘛你看這個數字其實很大那麼我想請教的就是那在下週我們的油價會不會再大漲像昨天的今天的國際油價就有一點跌幅了因照國際情勢變化真的很多那我們隨時緊盯的國際油價依照我們的公式在計算如果在公式計算當中 |
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有超越大家的負擔的話那中油經濟部還會有點的穩定我希望院長在這方面真的要再多用心再來我們來看到賴總統這次又在講說重啟核電是要因應現況的務實考量 |
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其中提到的就是AI的發展那他說AI的發展所需要的電力超過原來的預估這點我想要請到院長我們台灣是今年才開始要發展AI嗎那之前從來沒有去想過這個供電會不足嗎為什麼還要堅持在去年還要非核家園報告委員從兩年前520賴總統上任之後我們就一直跟經濟部跟台電 |
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啟動所有的檢查機制也都一直的告訴大家在2030、32年之前我們的供電是無虞的那個時候就已經把AI的發展放在裡面 |
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那確實是沒有錯的不是啊但現在賴總統是說我們現在要重啟核電是因為AI發展所需的電力超顧員來預估嘛對不對喔那所以喔這個供電不足絕對不是現在才因為AI絕對不是這個理由啊沒有辦法接受我們在現在之前到每一天我們的供電還是相當的安全你用這個理由去講重啟核電這件事情其實不是 |
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很難被接受的啦你看嘛經濟部之前自己在這個113年的時候就已經提過全國電力供需的報告當時就在講說AI科技的用電需求會從2023年的24萬千瓦那會暴增到2028會變成224萬千瓦這個數字那個時候就有了所以不是今年才看到這個地方第二個賴總統去年的5月在民進黨中職會上我不知道院長有沒有參與當時他細數非核家園的一個政績成績 |
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他說依照台電的預估就算加上了 AI台灣到2030年也可以穩定供電所以那時候說可以穩定供電現在又說因為 AI 的電力超過原本預估所以不要插話好不好你要懂不懂這個備詢的一個禮貌 |
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你至少等人家把這個問題問完嘛真的要教教你們部長是提醒這個數字不應該這樣插話院長你今天在講話的時候其實有時候有些冗長但我也沒有去打斷你啊我覺得大家彼此互相尊重嘛好不好所以我想從這點上面看來這就是本席認為就是今年的賴總統打臉了過去的賴主席這點院長怎麼看 |
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並非因為真的國際的情勢變化非常的快又有關稅的談判內需的增加又有國際的戰爭的情勢而且戰爭之後可能要一段時間才會恢復整個國際上油氣供應的這個秩序所以我們是可以預作準備 |
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如果備而不用那最好萬一要用那就有備無患賴總統這次又說因為地緣政治的關係台電的電力建制台灣的電力建制應該要有能源韌性不過這句話我看起來的解讀就是說難道過去我們廢核家園的能源政策韌性是不是就是不足的 |
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所以今天談到我們要來加強這個韌性我們看到這次是因為戰爭的關係從來沒有想過這麼遙遠的戰爭會影響全世界甚至於這麼遠的台灣這麼嚴重所以我們也發現了如果我們只是一再的仰賴天然氣同時天然氣的儲備量也只有11天這樣的發電韌性本來就不夠所以以前就應該知道怎麼會現在才拿來講 |
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過去台灣一直很有安全的油氣的存量是法定的存量這都沒有問題但是也沒有像最近幾年中共的間接一直在侵擾台灣我們必須為台灣的安全預作更多的防範措施運長啊 |
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總是這樣子修核管法說為中共開方便之門談任何台灣的民生議題沒話講的時候總是扯到中共中共侵擾台灣本席也認為不對但是我們不應該把所有在台灣裡面的政策不應該把所有我們執政不力或者是民生議題做不好通通就拿一個中共就可以蓋瓜過去了這點我希望以後不要至少我在跟你這個質詢的時候不要拿這個來搪塞那接下來我想最後一個 |
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就既然現在要重啟核電了我們在行政院國家永續發展委員會裡面有一個非核家園的推動專案小組那麼這個小組是不是應該廢掉非核家園非核家園還是我們在法律當中應該有的只是他把那個年限拿掉而已所以我們非核家園如果將來我們的 |
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再生能源甚至新式的能源都能夠進來我們是另外一種態度來看它過去我們就完全反核了我們主張能源要多種選擇只是過去你們自己一直堅持反核那現在既然要重啟核電了我想你們回去研議一下這個非核家園推動專案小組你就算不想廢至少名稱跟任務性質內容應該要去做一個修改那最後我想 |
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是不是講一句話目前我們沒有這個廢不廢的問題但未來如果新式核能能夠被大家接受的話全世界商用那新式核能的用途台灣如果可以也討論也使用的話那就是另外一個境界了你可以去做你的詮釋我都尊重啦但是我必須要講我們過去的這個錯誤政策其實為全民帶來非常大的一個代價的付出啦那現在呢你要來檢討能源政策要開放核能樂觀其成啦但是呢要往對的方向去繼續好嗎 |
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接下来我想跟院长讨论的是关于毒品的问题院长去年12月2号本席在你的脸书上看到你写说新世代反毒策略实施到现在平均每年毒品使用人数减少1万1千人对吗你的脸书行政院随后发布新闻稿说使用毒品跟新生毒品的人口数呈现逐年下降这两个对吗 |
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所以院長這樣的企圖成效你在臉書上寫出來這個是一個算滿意是嗎 |
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這絕對不滿意但是這對執法人員是一大鼓勵我們希望他們能夠用認真用力的去打擊不法我同意但是呢這個您看一下您擔任院長之後法務部的統計施用毒品的人數事實上是從111年的43746人增加了2389人來到了46135人所以是不減反增何來的逐年減少這第一個第二個院長 |
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我相信你一定同意這當中還有黑數你一定同意所以如果說我們不檢反針中間還有黑數事實上我是覺得毒品問題太嚴重了我們應該一起努力喔讓這個問題趕快去解決啦所以不會滿意這樣的結果跟數字使用毒品的人數又以二級毒品包括安非他命、大麻等等人數最多那其中現在其實本席很關心的就是我們俗稱的喪屍煙彈這個依託民脂這個現在被歸納在二級毒品當中 |
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而且它是用電子菸來作為吸毒的載具那當電子菸成為毒品的一個載具的時候這連帶的一個問題就是我們吸毒的年齡會往下降那法務部自己也統計18歲到30歲這個年齡層的吸食的比例其實現在已經來到了兩成多了而且本席常常都講這個絕對還有黑素在裡面 |
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那你看喔這樣的問題其實對年輕人傷害是非常的大我們現在在校園裡面其實我們又限縮了教師的管教權我都不知道校園的這個毒品的這個防治到底要怎麼做才好然後呢再來我們就看到院長 |
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你也是有發現這個問題的重要性所以在去年6月12您在主持毒品防治會議當中也說要加速修正煙害防治法針對電子煙增訂沒入銷毀的規定衛福部的石部長也說那我們要開始開發電子煙的持有者請問院長 |
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這個很重要嘛 那現在的這個目前我們看到整個電子煙現行的法規是規定禁止製造 禁止販賣 禁止吸食但沒有禁止持有所以其實很難查緝 很難開罰所以您提的這個部分 我本心很認同但是修法進度現在到哪裡來請石部長說明跟委員說明 我們已經拟據了這個修法的條文目前在行政院審查當中 準備要送立法院 |
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要快啊 這去年的六月到現在都要一年了還在準備中 既然有好的構想加快速度嘛不要一天到晚想那些有的沒有的這最重要的法案趕快去進行好不好因為如果我們吸食毒品的人數增加也會衍生出毒價的問題那我們看到113年這個毒價2619件不過到了114年暴增到8659件那光今年1月院長知道今年1月就有多少件嗎 |
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今年1月就1,236件這是很可怕的數字獨駕的嚴重性已經不亞於9駕當然啦所以你看高雄那時候還發生了一個大家都矚目的就是因為稀釋了剛才本席所說的一通名指結果獨駕去撞死了一個三寶麻那連你們自己高雄市的陳吉邁市長都說這要對獨駕加重修法所以這個對獨駕加重修法這個院長支持不支持 |
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支持我們覺得強力的取締加重處罰應該是有效的那準備怎麼做呢請部長說明這個獨家的確有經過好幾次的一個修法有做一個加重那我想這個在修法這部分因為他獨家如果致人於死或致重傷這部分都有加重處罰的一個規定那我想這個獨家這部分的嚴重性我想我們現在我們非常的一個重心修法要快一點啦好不好 |
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這部分是有修法那個有致死的這部分是有修法所有今天本席提到的修法我覺得都要速度加快好嗎而且我們剛剛提到這個尤其是電子菸的部分因為年輕人去涉及的真的太多了我們要知道電子菸對年輕人的傷害輕則就是他吸菸的一個入門的門檻重則就是他吸毒的一個媒介所以這個部分加快速度接下來我想兩個部分都是要談論我們交通的議題 |
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謝謝兩位謝謝院長 鐵路地下化 桃園鐵路地下化每一次每一個會席我都要再提但是請您看一下我們桃園鐵路地下化的工程進度這個是鐵道局其實本席固定都會去看官網上面截圖下來為什麼官網突然改版了我突然看不到了預定的工程進度為什麼是因為落後太多不敢呈現嗎 |
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向委員報告因為我們現在正在修正當中我們在計畫修正當中我們在修正計畫當中那修正計畫裡面有包含你修正計畫跟你把過去都會一直顯示出來的預定進度把它遮掉為什麼嘛我跟你講你把它遮掉這個數字但你遮掉不掉的是一個延宕落後的一個事實嘛所以這個沒有必要如果您有需要這樣的資料我們隨時可以提供這個沒有問題 |
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鐵路地下化進度落後這件事情每一次我都在講原物料大漲原本規劃的1048億已經不夠了所以要再追加769億但是這個變更計畫從去年的8月20號簽成到行政院到現在7個月了院長您為什麼一直不核定 |
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交通部的這個報告當中我們考慮到很多的因素包括他有一個遺址的文物的遺址古蹟遺址的問題還有就是考慮到現在物價持續的上漲到底工程費如何去核算另外就是他還有一個延伸段是不是有一個延伸段的問題我記憶當中是如此還有延伸 南延段這個部分這加起來變成他現在還在審慎的考量當中 |
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不是吧 院長這個交通部已經把變更計畫已經送了嘛是啦我們剛剛在討論這個內容在院裡面還要討論這個內容交通部的審議如何您剛剛以上所說的三個問題都是舊問題了也在解決當中或是已經解決了的那現在是變更計畫你不核定我們沒有辦法往下走啊 |
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所以我們看過去的問題有沒有解決啊有沒有解決你問交通部嘛所以現在部裡面 院裡面怎麼在處理已經有的已經解決了已經有的已經有解決計畫了今天變更計畫還在送到您那裡嘛好 那院長您可以核定我們這個變更計畫嗎我們會照程序來走 現在如果在工程會嗎現在在行政院什麼時候可以核定呢因為這個增加的金額比較大所以還有一些問題還在詢問我們增加的金額比較大 這是問題嗎 |
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這是財務問題這是什麼樣的財務問題因為中央錢越來越少財化法被分掉很多錢財化法喔我們不要在這裡再吵財化法了啦這是事實啊沒有意義啦我跟你講喔財化法的精神是什麼我覺得在這裡不要去重複啦這個過去要解決城鄉發展不足然後地方資源分配等等財化法賴慶臣總統在當市長的時候也說要修嘛 |
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對不對鄭文燦也說要修地方的這些首長都說要修所以在這裡不要炒才化法那你現在不能夠因為我們把這個才化法應該分配給中央的給了他你用另外一隻手去把我們應該有的補助的重大建設經費要回來不應該這樣做啦那何況 |
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院長鐵路是中央應辦的事項而且是國家的重大交通建設這不是單一指桃園市那為什麼這次會有修正計畫送出來?為什麼?因為工程延宕嘛工程延宕經費增加所以我們才送了這個變更計畫部長沒有錯嘛對不對不是因為延宕而已還有就是對啦還有一些問題嘛你工程延宕才會有後續物料這些問題出現所以那個都增加了很多的經費 |
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部長 工程延宕是鄭文燦市長時代延宕還是張善政延宕還是中央延宕這個工程屬於誰的 |
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這個工程是中央在辦的是嘛,這個工程是中央在辦嘛所以因為各種原因,我不要苛責嘛因為各種原因但是延宕在中央,所以你要幫忙解決問題啊是不是所以現在中央的這個工程,你要讓地方去蒙受這個損失或者是這個傷害我想我們沒有辦法接受啦好,剛才講到說錢的問題 |
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呃 院長啊 你常常一直在喊朝野要團結 共同為了國家好但是今天我們要怎麼團結國家建設 我們碰到國家建設的時候在每一個縣市或許就有藍綠 不然就有派系我為什麼要這樣講 我有所本的今天我不是亂汙止你看 去年的10月14號 同一天同一天 本席在這裡是為桃園鐵路地下化的修正計畫來請命當時也跟你講了很多 |
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那麼蘇巧惠委員當時也為萬大樹林捷運線的修正計畫來請命本席等了七個月今天在這又再跟你提出來了但蘇巧惠委員的一個禮拜後你就合定了 |
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铁路是中央的捷运是地方的那没有关系我觉得我看到那边核定我也替他觉得很高兴也替新北感到很高兴但你不能去苛责对于我们的桃园我们提出来的你都不配合那你不让我联想蓝绿你要我怎么想 |
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沒有 這個新北也是沒有藍綠的問題那你為什麼要這樣區分呢 同一天我談豪雲鐵路地下化然後蘇曉慧委員談他這個萬大線結果呢 一個禮拜後他通過了我們到現在還在這裡 什麼原因你告訴我這一方面也要新北市政府多方的先期作業完成我們才有辦法去核不核准那你現在是說江山這作業不完整囉 |
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這個請交通部能夠跟桃園市政府充分的回答我們桃園市政府你的變身計畫現在送出去了之前有任何地方是桃園市政府不配合或不完整嗎過程當中溝通了一段時間但是現在問題又解決了院長可以不要讓我下一次喔9月的時候但我不知道9月還有沒有辦法質詢到你不要讓我下一次的時候又再問你鐵路地下化好嗎 |
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如果照時間慢慢走一定會走到地下化完成的時候我們不可能跟你慢慢走啦因為這個是非常急的交通建設所以我們再來看另外剛才談到萬大樹林線二期另外再講一個我們高雄小港梨園線 |
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為什麼我有再提這兩個案子追加經費的變更計畫不好意思 他們這兩個案子都在去年的10月21號同時合訂通過而且連中央負擔的比例也一起調高了我們桃園看了真的很羨慕 院長為什麼這樣分為什麼他們可以調高交通部送來的案子一定有他的考量跟規劃什麼考量 桃園市藍軍執政 |
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上次769億的時候本席都一直跟你講中央延宕對同仁不公平事實上中央應該負擔比例要調高你們不肯就現在看到是綠營講出來的話那別人的這些捷運線然後不是馬上核定就調高中央負擔比例欸 院長你要給我一個說明跟交代 |
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我們現在考慮到很多包括工程用的分擔以及用地的問題用地費都希望全國能夠很平有公平性我希望你會後可以跟部長把這個桃園鐵路地下化變更計畫到底還有什麼問題已經送出來表示沒有什麼問題盡速核定可以嗎 |
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已經送到院裡面 我要求我們院裡面的業務單位或是工程會能夠依照時間趕快來處理好 那部長您會後找一個時間跟我們辦公室約一下到我辦公室把他鎖入地下化跟院長討論過後再到我辦公室來好嗎好 謝謝接下來我想也要再請一下我們勞動部的洪部長 |
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老问题国道客运国道客运过去我就在讲我们司机荒这么严重TPass上路的时候恐怕有票也会没车搭果真如此当然交通部也是有了解这个状况所以你也推出了公共运输驾驶扩大的征才方案也补助了高达1亿的经费有在努力 |
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但是成效非常有限到目前为止离职率还是高达20几%到30%那新学人没有进来离职率一直出去我觉得对这个问题我真的觉得快要成为国安问题了那我们看来根据公路局的统计截至去年12月全台的市区客运驾驶缺了1367人国道客运的驾驶还缺了661人 |
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很嚴重那麼特別提到北北七桃我們一直都說它是一個共同生活圈交通當然就是最重要的以桃園的國道客運達成的人次112年1499萬人次然後114年來到了1710萬人次一直在成長當中可是因為司機荒這個院長部長您知道我們桃園的市民多可憐嗎我們的所有的這個國道客運公車每一站它是有限定人數的 |
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明明看到上面有空位可是這一站只能上五個那一站只能上三個這是什麼社會這什麼國家大眾運輸要這樣子來限制我們還要用配給的我覺得這我不能接受我們再看到現在桃園市自己的駕駛有815人 |
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在五年内估计会有116人退休所以现在第一个价值高龄化第二个年轻人不愿意进来这个问题很严重而且会更严重所以我们桃园市政府其实也有建议说是不是我们可以来修正法规 |
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試試看我們讓橋外的畢業生可以來擔任司機喔而且呢這個除了可以解決司機缺口的問題之外也不會去衝擊到本國的勞工因為我們現在大家本國勞工就沒有要做這一行嘛所以我覺得第一個我們可不可以考慮這開放橋外生喔那針對這個意見 |
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交通部還有我們的教育部移民署其實溝通之後本席有去詢問沒有問題大家都覺得可行不過在去年11月的時候這一些整合過的意見送到勞動部但是勞動部回覆是說社會溝通仍然未做足所以我想請教部長這個是要跟誰溝通要溝通什麼沒有做足的地方是什麼問我嗎 |
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我想問我想要跟委員說明其實關於這個是不是能夠讓橋外生來擔任這個客運的價值的議題其實近期我們也跟交通部一直在做討論那我想交通部這邊應該會針對這個安全的把關的問題那只要能夠把配套設計的好然後能夠把這個 |
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同業者的部分我想我們都是持開放的態度交通部的部分跟教育部份 移民局大家都沒有問題嘛現在的問題是卡在你這你說社會溝通還沒有做足嘛我跟文說明我說我們近期其實跟交通部其實針對這個議題已經有在討論了只要能夠把這個關於安全的把關做得好的話我想勞動部是持開放的態度的 |
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你們是不是可以找一個最近期這幾個部會大家一起開一個會立即來研商這件事情不要再拖了如果去年11月就送出來卡在勞動部這樣是不好的好嗎 |
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我們一直在處理這個問題就是要解決交通法規的問題交通習慣的問題 還有語言的問題我們這個開放喬外生事辦這個部分桃園市政委在講我們是不是可以試試看我們或許可以先開放個50個或100個或30個沒有關係來擔任 但是我們還是要考核的比如說剛剛我們提到不管用事故率 乘客滿例度 留任率或者財政的效益等等我們去做一個評估 |
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後面再來看是不是要來全國推動所以我想這個部長如果桃園市政府桃園市政府如果這個事辦計畫他送上來的話你會同意嗎交通部這邊嗎我們會跟勞動部確認整個政策方向可行之後我聽起來就是都還卡在勞動部所以黃部長麻煩重視一下最近有積極在溝通我想跟委員說一次我想我們其實對於這個議題對這個政策我們是指開放的態度 |
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好那最後我想針對我們的雙城巴士法規現在在市民跟市民二之間有一些不一樣的看法但是呢是不是也可以找一個機會跟我們相關單位中央跟地方還有業者呢我們也來談談看到底要怎麼開放雙城巴士 |