| IVOD_ID |
167790 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167790 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T11:25:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T11:34:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fac85a1267872a8ad5885cd1ffb4d76e78568ba5efa48cb629cbc3a6108f1e635639f62fdc189b545ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:50 - 11:34:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查人民請願案9案。） |
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好 我們繼續開會 請徐信義委員發言謝謝主席 本席有請我們陸委會邱主委好麻煩邱主委徐委員好邱主委好今天本席要談的 |
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最主要是我們台灣人民的人身安全現在正在跨境受到威脅 您認同嗎是 已經有好多件跨境鎮壓的案例了我看到陸委會的報告 你們自己的報告寫有313件案件 |
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313是到中國大陸去因為刑方不明或是受到他法律限制我們人身自由不能回來還有失蹤的 114人失聯174人疑似被限制人身自由這是你們的報告 |
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那這中間一定也還有黑數吧你們有掌握嗎所以我們也注意到這些是有來跟我們報案的那沒有報案的更多所以這些黑數可能是更多所以我們也要關注更重要的是這個數字它仍然以每個月20件在增加所以主委你都發現每個月20件在增加所以我們就看出這個是不是形成一個制度性的風險 |
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所以我們要提醒國人,復入還是要有風險所以已經形成制度性的風險了你們難道沒有保護制度,你們只能提醒啊所以難怪大家一直說陸委會該裁撤你現在制度性風險你怎麼辦 |
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是跟委員報告我們由於跟中國大陸過去也有兩岸共同打擊犯罪司法互助合作的機制好像是在馬英九總統執政好像民進黨執政之後雙方仍然仍然透過既有的溝通聯繫機制我們要讓對方去了解維護兩岸民眾的權益這個很重要 |
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那我們還是按照這個機制去維護你按照這個機制那現在面對你自己都承認這是形成一個制度性風險你到底有沒有掌握嘛你掌握多少呢 |
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是 我們也不斷透過各種的宣傳管道要國人出入那你還是提醒 你還是宣傳而已沒有 那個制度啊沒有數據就沒有治理嘛所以我請問你 你有沒有了解哪些地區最危險你總是要給我們民眾你提醒之外 你要給他一些更明確的東西哪些地區最危險 |
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沒有 沒有掌握哪些身份最容易被鎖定我覺得他散佈在各個地方中國各主要的 當你程式為主各個地方都有對啊 所以你就是沒有掌握你才會這樣講那我再問你 哪些身份最容易被鎖定 |
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各種身份都有你比如說我們曾經擔任機敏工作的人或者是擔任公務人員、副路都很容易被對岸的相關人員接觸機敏工作跟擔任過公務員的 |
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對 比如說他過去可能擔任一些安全工作 很容易被接觸你那個313件 你能掌握的裡面 我問你失聯的跟疑似被限制人身自由裡面有多少比例是公務員 多少比例是你說的機敏身份 你跟我講這個比例我們事後可以給委員 |
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所以我是你們沒有掌握嘛沒有沒有沒有 我們都有掌握每一間的類型都有包括委員很關心的我們很多像一貫道的朋友在中國大陸被逮捕或是審判所以是不是一貫道的身份也是很容易被鎖定他風險比較高他如果有傳教的行為哪些活動風險高 這我第三個要問的哪些活動風險高 |
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我想他各種的類型當然有些在中國大陸從事犯罪當然被他們的相關法律限制人身自由當然這是相當大的比例不過我們最近發生一個比例我們越來越覺得就是這個刑方不明失蹤的案例這個報案的人數有增加 |
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那到底什麼類型嘛 到底什麼樣的身份 哪些地區或它是哪些活動的風險最高這三個問題你們一直講出來 我們事後可以再追納相關的細項我們是規劃了很多類型 我們都願意提供給委員來參考 |
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你身為陸委會主委你應該對你這就是台灣大陸地區連這樣的一個問題你都沒辦法掌握好最後我再講你們的登錄系統你知道只有幾%登錄嗎你知道嗎我們大概都維持在2點多對啊整個登錄系統就2%那我問你另外98%的人呢沒有進入到保護系統 |
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所以我不知道陸委會在做什麼是委員我們在 |
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這幾年中國大陸人數有大幅增加但是我們登錄的人數也增加蠻多至少這兩年我們登錄的人數跟比例都有增加再怎麼增加你就2%那98%呢?所以我們說絕對不是只有宣導你就是沒有機制沒有制度 |
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你只能一直宣導所以我想要問的是我們這個接著你國人如果被留置反正前面我的所有問題你們大概都沒辦法回答那我現在再問一個最關鍵的我們國人如果被留置的時候請問政府怎麼做 |
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你可以怎麼做?你有沒有單一窗口?你有沒有SOP標準作業程序?是,我們還是透過兩岸的司法還是只有一個有機會的只讀不回的傳真機?當然不是如此我們仍然在兩岸共打還有相關的機制 |
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我們把相關的人在中國大陸刑方不免或是犯什麼罪你有沒有單一窗口你先回答這個問題還是在詢問中國大陸到底我們國人下落何在或是犯了什麼刑法我們這回剛剛也說我們風險的提醒我們都一直在講來講去就只有提醒 |
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還有陸陸登陸的系統 民宿也在增加所以我在前面的會期就講 你就改成叫對大陸宣傳委員會因為你只會做宣傳好 最後我還要再問你剛剛講有有有 什麼都有請問你平均處理時間多少發生事情之後你成功的聯繫率又是多少你的KPI在哪裡你回答我 |
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我們至少都有跟每一位家屬都有到家戶的訪談要保護我們的國人這不是政府的責任嗎我們提供各種法律各方面的協助他的家屬而且台灣跟對岸不管經商旅遊甚至各種的活動這麼的頻繁今天本席的所有問題 |
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主委我很遺憾你都沒有辦法給明確的回答而且都感覺到我們的陸委會真的沒有這個我要跟委員講我們陸委會同仁 海基會同仁各部會同仁都盡心盡力今天唯一造成這個效果成效不好我想對岸婦有很大的責任他們刻意的政治杯葛我們這是兩岸風險之所在 |
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但是我們自我要求的包括現在國人登錄的人數也是明顯增加等於上一屆當立委的時候國民黨執政沒有這個問題啦所以你現在什麼責任推給別人也很容易嘛成功者找方法,失敗者找理由所以我們希望陸委會加油好不好謝謝,謝謝委員,我們會努力 |