| IVOD_ID |
167788 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167788 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T11:02:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T11:12:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:25 - 11:12:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查人民請願案9案。） |
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首先我們的昭偉辛苦了我覺得昭偉今天處理得非常非常好必須要做肯定我想接下來請一下我們蘇嘉全董事長 |
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那個王國遠抱歉,先暫停一下剛剛一開始有宣告,如果說我們有海基會的業務的話我們是因為業務都是祕書長在負責,那我們先由祕書長來答詢那如果說有祕書長沒辦法回答的問題的時候,我們再請蘇董事長上台答詢可是蘇董事長已經有出席,很有誠意 |
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您堅持的話,我當然是尊重委員,只是說我們一開始有這樣子的選擇我想先問一下蘇董事長的意願,對,尊重你的意願好,那就麻煩蘇董事長我想因為董事長都已經非常有誠意的出席,想要謝謝 |
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董事長首先歡迎您回娘家謝謝您擔任過我們立法院院長現在到海基會當董事長我想請問一下院長因為院長基本上您在當時就任的時候還是強調兩岸要交流要對話對不對 |
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那我想請問一下像這一陣子就是有關於李貞秀委員的這些爭議那您剛才自己也本身親臨現場看到其實大家這樣的一個光是為了他的質詢的從上個星期到現在您認為李貞秀委員的事件會不會影響到兩岸的交流跟對話 |
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我覺得相關的問題還是陸委會來回答比較好為什麼因為海基會是一個平台我們不管講會影響還是講不會影響我覺得都太主觀那行政部門應該就要來評估不是海基會 |
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所以對董事長來說,海基會作為一個兩岸的平台,您認為還是他必須要有這樣的一個交流和對話的功能是嗎?這個海基會跟海協會的交流一直都有 |
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一年我們服務的案件有將近31萬件如果平常沒有交流那根本就無法來服務31萬件只是比較高層次的對話現在是中斷的平常的交流還是在繼續 |
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所以您當任董事長您剛剛也講已經兩個月了嘛您的感受是希望在兩岸之間因為我剛剛講包含李貞秀委員這個事件其實某一個程度也會影響我認為是會影響的包含 |
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國內在國內的大陸籍配偶其實我們現在有時候我們到地方也會大家會有這個對於陸籍配偶也會質疑他的參政權是不是受到影響的問題所以您個人會不會認為說其實我們在對話跟交流的部分應該還要加把勁 |
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海基會在每一個時刻我們都非常努力在服務兩岸的人民跟台商所以不管在台灣因為政治的因素怎麼樣來做一些彼此之間的攻防都不影響海基會要服務兩岸人民跟台商這麼一個功能好 謝謝蘇嘉全董事長 |
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那雖然因為剛才其實我們召委有說明但是非常感謝你還是願意上來來做詢問謝謝謝謝董事長好 那個時間暫停那請我們陸委會主委 |
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主委剛才黃建委員問您一個問題事實上我覺得您有點糊弄過去他是請教你就你所了解到目前為止有沒有大陸人民來到台灣插曲的這個戶籍落籍之後他有成功放棄中華人民共和國的國籍有沒有人完成過 |
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放棄中華人民共和國國籍有沒有人完成過戶籍沒有問題 國籍如果他有取得其他國家國籍如果是陸配的話是有相當的困難所以你所了解應該是沒有取得他們官方的證明是有困難 |
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有這個因為媒體啊就是這個名嘴怎麼講啊因為他們根本不是陸委會也不是海基會所以如果按照您所了解至少到目前為止在台灣的大陸籍不管是配偶或大陸籍人士在台灣取得戶籍但他沒有成功放棄中華人民共和國國籍而現在而現在我們內政部 |
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一再要求就李貞秀委員一定要放棄國籍他才保有這個立法委員的身份這會不會強人所難跟委員報告我們的國籍法當然我們不是內政部我們不是他主管機關就我們了解國籍法它有分兩段第一段就是你在就職前你就必須放棄那放棄你要表達你主觀的態度意願要出來 |
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那到底中國大陸政府願不願意發出一個證明說你已經放棄可是他沒有辦法發出就說按照你們的經驗值他至少有一個按照我們經驗值中國大陸政府可能會阻擾不會配合他不會配合所以這個其實真的某一個程度是強人所難 |
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因為時間關係但是我要講的說我們現在政府是一個精神錯亂的政府為什麼呢按照你們今天的報告你的口頭報告第二頁就講說就說今天對國家負有高度忠誠義務的軍公教人員要查核他有沒有中共的身份證等等之類的然後避免軍公教人員施政因兩岸雙重身份導致外界質疑 |
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所以這包含這個立法委員也要求你不得有所謂的雙重國籍可是好笑了當這個義男他說我現在 |
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這個已經入籍了中國大陸已經入籍中國大陸那我可以不用服役了吧印南這不是軍公教嗎不是軍人嗎結果內政部說沒有關係你即便喪失台灣的身份啊你還是要服役啊 |
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這不是雙重標準嗎如果你今天覺得立法委員是有機敏性難道G隊裡面沒有機敏性嗎一來都告訴你我現在沒有台灣身份我現在是中國大陸籍的身份有他的戶籍然後但是我們的政府說不行你仍然需要進入G隊需要去當兵所以我要講的是這部分我們的邏輯是不是錯亂啊 |
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跟委員報告 我們邏輯來自於我們依法行政在兩岸條例第九條之一我們就是依法行政跟委員報告 您剛剛說的這些我們軍公教對國家要效忠的這個我們不能在兩岸有雙重的這些身份包括申領他們的身份證 戶籍那這部分我們從我們公務員做起越南不是軍人啊越南不是軍公教嗎 |
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是 那你剛剛提到那個所以我們說你在台灣擁有台灣身份但是你取得中國大陸身份你就會喪失台灣的身份以及因台灣的戶籍所有的權利但是你的義務並不因此而失去所以這個時候你們要引用兩岸人民關係條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
524.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
547.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
對不對 老師說啦當你們認為在兩岸人民之間不適用兩岸人民關係條例而要適用國籍法的時候其實我們最近就一直在直接的挑戰你們主委啊 其實你們應該揮刀自攻啦既然要配合這個兩岸是一邊一國要適用國籍法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
548.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
560.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
其實陸委會真的可以揮刀自攻直接把廢除掉兩岸人民關係條例直接廢除掉陸委會否則的話就會出現這樣的雙標以及整個的邏輯錯亂跟委員報告我們沒有雙標跟委員報告我們兩岸條例第21條就是我們會依法維護保障陸配的參政權不管是登記為公職候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
577.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
584.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
或者是應考市府公職當你拒絕回答李徵秀委員的質詢的時候當你現在還在講說我們會依法保障陸配的參政權的時候真的非常非常的諷刺 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
594.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
611.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
因為現在不是只有李貞秀委員而已現在連基層的陸委會的參政權你們陸委會都沒有保障而且你們並沒有依照兩岸人民關係條例的基礎去保障他們好 委員這不是事實 我們依法保障好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-03-23T11:02:33.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-03-23T11:02:35.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
首先，召委辛苦了！ |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-03-23T11:02:38.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-03-23T11:02:42.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
我覺得召委今天處理得非常非常好，必須要肯定。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-03-23T11:02:44.258000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-03-23T11:02:49.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
接下來請一下蘇嘉全董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-03-23T11:02:51.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-03-23T11:02:52.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
王鴻薇委員，抱歉！ |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-03-23T11:02:52.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-03-23T11:02:53.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
先暫停一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-23T11:02:54.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:09.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
剛剛一開始有宣告，如果有海基會業務的問題，因為業務都是秘書長在負責的，所以先由秘書長來答詢，如果有秘書長沒辦法回答的問題，我們再請蘇董事長上臺來答詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:09.393000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:12.394000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
可是蘇董事長已經有出席，很有誠意耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:14.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:17.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
您堅持的話，我當然是尊重委員，只是我們一開始有這樣的宣告。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:17.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:22.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
好，我想先問一下蘇董事長的意願。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:22.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:23.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
尊重你的意願。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:23.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:24.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
好，就麻煩蘇董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:24.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:25.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:24.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:29.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
我想因為董事長都已經非常有誠意的出席了，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:30.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:34.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
董事長，首先，歡迎您回娘家。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:34.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:40.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
您擔任過立法院院長，現在到海基會當董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:40.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-23T11:03:50.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
我想請問一下院長，院長，基本上，因為您當時就任的時候，還是強調兩岸要交流、要對話，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-23T11:03:52.186000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-23T11:04:18.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我想請問一下，像這一陣子有關於李貞秀委員的這些爭議，剛才您自己本身也親臨現場看到大家這樣，光是為了他的質詢，從上個星期到現在，您認為李貞秀委員的事件會不會影響到兩岸的交流和對話？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-23T11:04:21.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-23T11:04:29.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
我覺得相關的問題還是陸委會來回答比較好，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-23T11:04:29.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-23T11:04:44.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
因為海基會是一個平臺，我們不管講會影響還是不會影響，我覺得都太主觀，但行政部門應該要來評估，不是海基會。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-23T11:04:45.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-23T11:04:56.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
好，所以對董事長來說，海基會作為一個兩岸的平臺，您認為他還是必須要有這樣一個交流和對話的功能，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-23T11:04:56.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-23T11:05:01.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
海基會與海協會的交流一直都有，不然，我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-23T11:05:01.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-23T11:05:05.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
目前還有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-23T11:05:05.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-23T11:05:22.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
我們一年服務的案件有將近31萬件，如果平常沒有交流，根本就無法來服務31萬件，只是比較高層次的對話現在是沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-23T11:05:23.107000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-23T11:05:23.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
現在是中斷的。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-23T11:05:23.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-23T11:05:25.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
但平常的交流還是在繼續。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-23T11:05:27.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-23T11:06:00.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
您剛才也講您擔任董事長已經兩個月了，在兩岸之間，因為我剛才講，李貞秀委員這個事件某一個程度也會影響，我認為是會影響的，包含在國內的大陸籍配偶，現在有時候我們到地方，大家對於陸籍配偶也會質疑他的參政權是不是受到影響的問題，所以您個人會不會認為，其實我們在對話和交流的部分應該還要加把勁。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蘇董事長嘉全 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-23T11:06:01.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-23T11:06:27.857000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
海基會每一個時刻都非常努力在服務兩岸的人民和臺商，不管在臺灣因為政治因素怎麼樣來做彼此之間的攻防，都不影響海基會要服務兩岸人民和臺商這麼一個功能。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-23T11:06:28.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-03-23T11:06:28.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
好，謝謝蘇嘉全董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-23T11:06:31.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-23T11:06:36.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
雖然剛才召委有說明，但是非常感謝您還是願意上來做詢答。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-23T11:06:36.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-23T11:06:36.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
謝謝董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-23T11:06:36.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-23T11:06:37.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
時間暫停，請陸委會主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-23T11:06:37.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-23T11:06:49.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
王委員好。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-23T11:06:49.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:11.407000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
主委，剛才黃捷委員問您一個問題，事實上，我覺得您有點糊弄過去，他是請教你，就你所了解，到目前為止，有沒有大陸人民來到臺灣，取得戶籍、落籍之後，成功放棄中華人民共和國國籍，有沒有人完成過？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:12.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:17.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
放棄中華人民共和國國籍，有沒有人完成過？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:17.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:20.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
戶籍沒有問題，就我們了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:20.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:21.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
對，戶籍沒有問題，國籍。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:21.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:24.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
國籍的部分，如果他有取得其他國家的國籍…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:24.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:25.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:25.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:26.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:26.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:27.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
就有或沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:25.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:31.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
如果是陸配的話，是有相當的困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:31.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:33.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
困難，所以就你所了解，應該是沒有，因為有時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:34.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:37.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
就是取得他們官方的證明是有困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:39.261000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-23T11:07:45.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
對，即便有媒體、名嘴怎麼講，但他們根本不是陸委會，也不是海基會。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-23T11:07:45.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:13.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所以按照您所了解，至少到目前為止，在臺灣的大陸籍，不管是配偶或人士，取得在臺灣的戶籍，但沒有成功放棄中華人民共和國國籍，而現在我們內政部一再要求李貞秀委員一定要放棄國籍，他才保有立法委員的身分，這會不會強人所難？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:13.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:37.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
跟委員報告，依照我們的國籍法，當然我們不是內政部、我們不是它的主管機關，但就我們了解，國籍法有分兩段，第一段是你在就職前就必須放棄，你放棄要表達主觀的態度、意願要出來，至於中國大陸政府到底願不願意發出一個證明，說你已經放棄了，他至少有一年…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.843 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:37.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:39.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
可是他沒有辦法發出，按照你們的經驗值，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:42.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:45.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
對，按照我們的經驗值，中國大陸政府可能會阻撓、不會配合。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:46.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:46.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
他不會配合。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:46.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:49.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
所以這個真的某一個程度是強人所難！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:50.397000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:50.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
因為時間關係。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:50.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-03-23T11:08:56.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
但是我要講的是現在我們的政府是一個精神錯亂的政府，為什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-23T11:08:57.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:17.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
按照你們今天的口頭報告，第2頁就講，今天對國家負有高度忠誠義務的軍公教人員要查核他有沒有中共的身分證等等之類的，避免軍公教人員施政因兩岸雙重身分導致外界質疑。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:18.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:24.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
這也包含要求立法委員不得有所謂的雙重國籍。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:24.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:25.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
可是好笑了！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:25.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:37.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
當役男說，他現在已經入籍中國大陸，可以不用服役了吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:38.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:40.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
役男不是軍公教嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:40.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:41.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
不是軍人嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:41.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:47.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
結果內政部說，沒有關係，他即便喪失臺灣身分，還是要服役。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:48.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:51.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
這不是雙重標準嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:51.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-23T11:09:57.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
如果你今天覺得立法委員有機敏性，難道軍隊裡面沒有機敏性嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-23T11:09:58.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-23T11:10:10.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
役男都告訴你，我現在沒有臺灣身分，我現在是中國大陸籍的身分，有他的戶籍，但是我們的政府說不行，你仍然需要進入軍隊、需要去當兵。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-23T11:10:10.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-23T11:10:11.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
所以我要講的是，這部分我們的邏輯是不是錯亂？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-23T11:10:16.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-23T11:10:22.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
跟委員報告，我們的邏輯來自於我們依法行政，在兩岸條例第九條之一……雙標。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-23T11:10:23.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-23T11:10:41.713000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
不，我們就是依法行政，跟委員報告，您剛剛說的我們軍公教對國家要效忠，我們不能在兩岸有雙重的身分，包括申領他們的身分證、戶籍，這部分我們從公務員做起…… |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-23T11:10:42.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-23T11:10:44.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
役男不是軍人、役男不是軍公教嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-23T11:10:44.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-23T11:11:04.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
是，你剛剛提到的那個，是我們說你在臺灣擁有臺灣身分，但你取得中國大陸的身分，你就會喪失臺灣的身分以及因臺灣的戶籍取得的所有權利，但是你的義務並不因此而失去，包括服兵役…… |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-23T11:11:04.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-23T11:11:10.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
所以這個時候你們要引用兩岸人民關係條例，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-23T11:11:10.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-23T11:11:11.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
對，第九條之一第二項…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-23T11:11:10.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-23T11:11:41.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
老實說，當你們認為在兩岸人民之間不適用兩岸人民關係條例，而要適用國籍法的時候，其實我們最近就一直在直接的挑戰你們，主委，其實你們應該揮刀自宮，現在要配合兩岸是一邊一國，要適用國籍法的話，其實陸委會真的可以揮刀自宮，直接廢除掉兩岸人民關係條例、直接廢除掉陸委會，否則的話就會出現這樣的雙標以及整個的邏輯錯誤。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-23T11:11:41.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-23T11:12:03.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
跟委員報告，我們沒有雙標，跟委員報告，兩岸條例第二十一條就是我們會依法維護、保障陸配的參政權，不管是登記為公職候選人或者是應考試、服公職…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
王委員鴻薇 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-23T11:12:03.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-23T11:12:33.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
主委，當你拒絕回答李貞秀委員質詢的時候、當你現在還在講說我們會依法保障陸配參政權的時候，真的非常、非常的諷刺，因為現在不是只有李貞秀委員而已，現在連基層陸配的參政權，你們陸委會都沒有保障，而且你們並沒有依照兩岸人民關係條例的基礎去保障他們。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-23T11:12:34.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-23T11:12:36.829000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
委員，這不是事實，我們依法保障，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-23T11:12:37.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-23T11:12:40.186143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
接著請張宏陸委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0 |