| IVOD_ID |
167786 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167786 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T10:43:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T10:53:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fac85a1267872a8a490c992164a597ad78568ba5efa48cb629cbc3a6108f1e635f9ce4f0ed6650c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃捷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:01 - 10:53:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查人民請願案9案。） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請邱主委好 請邱主委 |
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好 謝謝在請教主委之前我還是要強調今天的程序其實是合法掩護非法因為我看不懂為什麼就是國民黨跟民眾黨的委員要聯合搞一個這樣子首開先例的委員會聯合質詢那破例讓一位為了要護航一位雙重國籍的中國籍民眾那在這邊開了委員會史上的先例 |
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不好意思喔時間可以暫停嗎因為我們召委不在那我們是不是等召委回來還是你先喊休息好不好是代理召委請尊重代理召委不好意思喔我們先時間先暫停我們先要代理召委先向召委回答各位上我們再進行會議 |
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我們再繼續進行會議主席要是立法委員的身份 |
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謝謝 我是代理召委我們請亮心想召委回到座位上我們再繼續質詢質詢時間暫停 請時間暫停時間暫停代理召委宣布時間繼續代理召委宣布時間繼續不要沒收我質詢的權利時間暫停 請時間暫停時間暫停 |
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時間暫停代理召委時間暫停請廖先生召委繼續召開會議我們的會議再繼續進行沒錯沒錯李博義召委也在現場應該優先請李博義召委 |
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我要強調的就是今天的程序完全亂了套 |
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這個聯合質詢如果搞下去未來是不是我也可以登記完之後讓後面所有我想要一起邀請的委員把所有的時間都暫住那這樣子我們一位一位這麼準時八點來登記的這幾位委員對大家情何以堪呢 |
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所以我必須說委員會的程序就是這樣大家就是先來後到照著八點到時間誰先登記誰就先質詢如果這個聯合質詢可以這樣搞好啊那大家以後都不用八點來一個人代表就好其他人就跟他一起聯合質詢不就好了嗎那這樣子我們那麼準時早起來到這邊簽到的這些委員對大家來說是把大家裝校委嗎 |
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所以必須要講說不需要為了護航一個這個雙重國籍的中國籍民眾那為了要創造一個讓行政官員答詢這樣的假象那今天硬搞這一出這完全就是合法掩護非法那非常非常的難看好 那首先也想要請教我們陸委會邱主委請問我們有成功放棄中國籍的民眾來到台灣落地生根嗎 |
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因為我必須要講上禮拜其實鍾小平議員還有包括宋亦夫這樣子的評論員在節目上都有提到他們有很多的朋友其實都有成功放棄的經驗 |
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是,跟黃國仁報告,放棄中國大陸的戶籍來到台灣來轉換身份來到台灣轉換成我們台灣身份的人非常非常多包括現在絕大部分的陸配都是經過轉換身份來到台灣安居樂業 |
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至於您剛剛提到轉換國籍目前是中國大陸的政策不讓他們依照合法的程序來放棄可能會遭到一些困難不過 |
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因為他的國籍法也有相關的一些程序規定當事人也要依照我們的國籍法在任職前,任公職前應該要表達放棄的意思那中國大陸到底會不會給你申請回這個國籍證明至少有一年時間可以來證明不過我要強調我們中華民國的國籍法 |
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基本上都在落實對中華民國忠誠義務這個單一忠誠義務是針對所有國人一視同仁我們在國際上也許有很多國家他們也很多不能放棄的像阿根廷、墨西哥、像沙烏地阿拉伯、摩洛哥像巴拉圭 |
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玻利維亞這些國家他們都沒有辦法放棄所以他們的國民來到我們台灣就算是來到我們台灣成為國民他也一樣沒辦法擔任我們的公職因為沒辦法放棄國籍所以我們是針對所有的人都一視同仁不是針對中國大陸的配偶 |
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刁難我想不讓中國大陸的配偶放棄國籍是中國大陸的政府造成的並不是台灣政府造成的困擾那我們也強調剛剛也說如果任何人沒有放棄對岸的國籍你根據中共的國家安全法國家情報法及反間諜法 |
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你就必須配合中共收集情報因此會造成他不是違反中共的法律拒絕收集台灣的情報就是違反台灣的法律 洩漏國家機密即無法落實單一效忠同時也讓當事人陷入兩難這是我們的一些目前的一些法律所以我們跟委員報告我們就是依法行政 |
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好 謝謝丑卓也說明 在這邊也補充一下其實中國純國人大在3月12號有通過這個民族團結進步促進法那它的內容是什麼呢 除了說要求要增進台人對中華民族的認同還強調說會依法追究破壞民族團結的行為那其實這樣的內容跟您剛剛提到的這個反間諜法 國家情報法 國家安全法 |
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其實都是相似的而且非常的嚴重也就是說我們在無法確認一位這樣子的公職對台灣有單一效忠的前提之前你對有中國籍你就是要必須遵守這些中國的法律你可能要被迫要收集相關的情報你可能如果你沒有表達觸同的話你可能還要被懲罰所以單一效忠非常非常的重要是嗎 |
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是 各位委員報告您剛剛提到在這次的中共兩會它有通過民族團結進步促進法那這部法我們很關注我們關注的除了對於中國大陸內部的少數民族會帶來很大的這個鎮壓的效果單一化的效果因為這個法律呢它可以說把民族團結國家統一 |
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都把它結合起來而且要接受中國共產黨的全面領導而且你有國家統一的義務包括剛剛委員所說的你就是說在中華的民共和國境外的個人跟組織也被包含在內他在裡面條文也特別針對台灣民眾要增進對中華民族的 |
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這個認同感歸屬感榮譽感所以他是有涵蓋但是我要特別強調的他這個在法律上的可能會涉及到未來 |
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你就算是迫害統一你也要負責法律的這個責任所以迫害統一像我們懲讀22條原本他應該只是針對有這個台獨作為人來立案調查來懲治但是現在李恩 |
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破壞統一的人也就是說你就算是維持現狀你不表態你甚至是支持中華民國你只要沒有支持中共的統一政策你可能就是成為他法律制裁的對象是啦我在這邊幫主委白話問一下就是說如果你的人民就算保持沉默可能都會被認為是在促進統一 |
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也就是你沒有堅決表態兩岸要促統你可能就被他認為是沒有在符合我們的法律這樣的理解是非常非常誇張你以為我們很多藝人在中國大陸有一些表演他在過特定的節日都要求他表態 俗成 |
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我們這些藝人啊連不表態的自由都沒有所以未來他立法的就是說你只要破壞統一破壞民族團結就會利用這個法對所以我在這邊是希望主委我們陸委會一定要站穩立場是這個相關的法律剛剛主委也說得非常清楚了所以單一效忠單一國籍非常非常的重要放棄國籍放棄戶籍再來談台灣的參政權謝謝謝謝美恩 |