| IVOD_ID |
167779 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167779 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T11:57:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T12:05:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fac85a1267872a8ae9ee0c013e562a0f3e8ac6646e11c8ec29cbc3a6108f1e631d297194e58c514e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:04 - 12:05:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：一、行政院函請審議「強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。三、本院國民黨黨團擬具「強化國防及對美軍事採購特別條例草案」案。(3月23日、3月25
日及26日三天一次會)） |
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知道上週美國對我國所有的軍售案還有多少軍售金額尚未交貨 |
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我們剛剛在回答幾位委員的時候,當然這張說明就是說F-16V然後Mk-48重型魚雷還有AGM-154C |
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這三項那麼相關的金額剛剛都有做過說明是不是如美國的那個聯邦眾議員巴爾他在上個禮拜3月17號他指出共高達210億美元其中包括80億美元的F16V的戰機20億美元的艾布蘭主力戰車、榴彈炮、標槍飛彈和飛彈精準打擊系統等 |
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跟委員報告那個艾布蘭主力戰車您講的是M1A2T那現在這個都準時交運而且今年會交運完畢所以這個這個標槍跟這個托士2B也都是這個交完了那麼如果還有海馬式的第一階段的部分我們也都如期的在進行交運當中 |
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所以沒有這個所謂您講的這個質疑F16的部分之前已經有做過說明應該來的都來了但是我想大家最關心的就是那個F16V的戰機其實部長跟美國購買這些新進武器來提升國防戰力絕對是不分黨派大家都會支持的 |
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但是我們看到總不能說預算編了但遲遲都不到貨影響我國的這個武器的需求嘛即使是一選我們政府對政府的機套機的採購程序中國歸根到底它是一種商業行為嘛但是對於美方遲延交貨國防部似乎也沒有辦法拿出一套具體的一個作為去督促只有做出呼籲而已 |
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所以我請問院長對於說行政院版的軍購特別條例對於這樣的商購採購的行為未來有沒有任何的風險的管控與履約擔保的規範 |
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委員問的是軍購還是商購的部分軍購跟商購都含在內軍購的部分的話之前有回答就是軍購是政府對政府所以我們在每個軍購都會成立專案辦公室然後會管控相關的進度 |
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軍購的部分當然如果你要問的是有沒有辦法有一個賠償那剛也說明沒有辦法做一個賠償的請求但是因為是政府對我們的承諾所以是美國政府對我們的承諾然後美國政府會要透過他的我們的相關的旅業管理的作為再去督促他的合約商來完成這樣子所以對政府之間我們就是一個承諾嘛 |
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對 但是歷來都會透過來協商來接近合約中也不會去寫明這些相關的這個如果食鹽到貨有沒有相關的賠償都不會 或者相關的責任食鹽到貨是確實在軍購的項目上面是沒有辦法做這樣的要求但是軍購按以剛剛講F16來講我們現在要求要加速所以他們也進行兩班制然後呢也整個將產線呢 |
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做個這個大幅的改進所以你講的現在包括在試飛在線上都已經有59架的這個飛機我想透過這樣的協商他們會加速來產製運交所以是沒有辦法去要求他們如果沒有辦法要求他們部長我請問 |
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對於我們國民黨版的第7條第7條的規定不曉得這個部長有沒有詳細閱讀啦就是主管機關因專案列管及考核本條例所列計劃之執行並將執行進度及績效每會期向立法院提出專案報告 |
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本條例所列預算的執行審計機關應依法辦理審計審計機關審核各機關依本條例辦理之軍事採購及相關建構計劃如發現因工人員違法或失職之計劃執行進度或交付成果顯著未達核定目標或其執行成效低於核定進度的50%者應將執行機關首長及相關主管移送監察院調查懲戒 |
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主管機關及其上級機關應依法執行並落實監督機制確保國防預算確實投入戰略建構部長你暫時這樣的一個草案條文嗎我們特別條例本來就是每會期都要向立法院提出專案報告就是說條例通過然後預算通過之後也是要這個之前 |
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那個海空戰力特別提升的條例還有F-16都是這樣子的所以第一項每年一次我想我們把它明文化了你贊成這樣的一個條文的一個草案嗎有關那個第一項的部分我只是說明就是說我們已經有向每年都會向這個立法院提出報告 |
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然後我想審計機關也會依法辦理審計這個應該都是無用無帶規定就我們依照這個相關的決議還有審計機關也都會依法來辦理這個應該是沒有需要要寫在這個條例裡面嗎至於有關那個沒有 |
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第三項呢?沒有達到50%這個部分我想剛剛已經說明了就是說這個政府對政府我們會來進行協商然後來進行改進我想這個部分因為這個延誤交運的這個延誤然後就要送這個監察院調查懲戒 |
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在我們看起來這個應該也沒有必要是部長我想在野黨就是具一個監督的一個一個角色對於相關軍購的延擋我們還是希望就是催促我們國防部相關的官員在這方面要跟美方積極的去做溝通因為就是看到說這個F16都可以延擋那麼久 |
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錢都給了那麼多結果延宕那麼久所以我們才會有這樣一個草案的一個版本所以部長認為如果認為說這個是本來就有做我想把它明文化這不是更好嗎所以你說沒有必要我也覺得很訝異 |
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至於說要不要去移送監察院來懲處說因為延宕造成整個計畫的執行我想這個也是督促我們相關官員要確實落實整個計畫執行的必要性嘛這都有它必要性嘛 |
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所以部長我覺得把它明文化是很好的一件事情啊所以你不贊成我不曉得為什麼你會說不贊成我想我們本來就是接受立法院的一個監督啦所以我的意思就是說接受立法院的監督這一件事情就一直持續在進行 |
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好啦,我想這個等到討論的時候,我們大家還會有一番爭執啦那我是建議說整個軍購還是要有落實我們的監督計畫執行的整個的成效我想這一點非常很重要,我們才會去做一個明文的規定好,以上,謝謝好,謝偉 |