| IVOD_ID |
167775 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167775 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T11:29:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T11:37:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fac85a1267872a8a111a358060ef04443e8ac6646e11c8ecd7f21695b503ffeb4cd5d9dcafc62b725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:20 - 11:37:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：一、行政院函請審議「強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。三、本院國民黨黨團擬具「強化國防及對美軍事採購特別條例草案」案。(3月23日、3月25
日及26日三天一次會)） |
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請問一下我們這次三個案子的條例名稱部長有什麼想法?三個提案您說那個條例的名稱?對第一條條例的名稱 |
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您說三個版本的第一條還是整個條例的名稱?整個條例的名稱因為有一個版本直接是對美軍事採購 |
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對,那這一點的話,我們國防部是不只限於軍購的部分,我們考量到整個我們國防自主防衛任性,我們認為還要包括偽製案,還有我們急需獲得的戰利的商購案那對任性這兩個是堅持嗎? |
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我們強調韌性就是因為強調國防自主國防產業的自主強調我們這個韌性的重要性所以我們在這個名稱上面會強化防衛韌性那所以剛剛也提到包括我們要強化我們的這個軍備的生產線等等第二個這一次的三個版本裡頭啊有一個3800億的這個版本 |
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那這個案子可不可以請部長跟大家說明一下如果最後通過是3800億的版本美方會有什麼反應這個3800億就我看到的這個國民黨很提出來的應該是指這個已經對美 |
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已經美方有智慧國會的案項,那我想這個並不足以涵蓋所有的我們現在所想要提出來的預算的內容部長覺得預判一下1.25兆的案子最後變成3800億,不管美方的誰,美方大概會有什麼反應? |
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我想這個我們跟美方經過這個長時間的一個溝通美方應該不會接受這個3800億應該不會接受他們會錯什麼反應會使得美方會質疑我們的這個防衛決心跟我們的這個防衛能力的強化所形成的一個破口 |
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也就是接下來我們國防部繼續跟美國談後面的事情的時候美方會有點質疑你們是來談真的還談假的我可以跟委員報告就是說美方高度高度的重視我們這個依照2500億的預算的審查一通過那麼他認為就是集體嚇阻 |
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防衛要承擔我們最大最大的問題會面對的就是我們不願意承擔這個防衛的那在對他的來講他的印太的整個戰略會受到嚴重的一個打擊那我想這個是美方所沒辦法接受好那在這個條例的 |
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行政院版的第四條國民黨的第五條 民眾黨的第四條都在講這七大項 幾大項那這一些內容行政院版本就寫的是一個比較系統性的名稱國民黨版就部分它寫的是比較項目的名稱就出現了民眾黨版把裡面的金額都具體換算成台幣 |
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部長在立法上這三種寫法國防部的寫法到底這樣寫對你們來說有什麼好處或者是彈性跟國人說明一下 |
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我想先說明兩點,第一點是國民黨它在第五條裡面,它所列的這個項目我之前已經講過了有一些我們,它雖然智慧國會,可是並不是擺在我們的特別預算裡面沒錯,跟你們原來的第四條的部分是有些不一樣的嘛對對對,那麼它現在主要是講說它 |
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將智慧國會的項目列進去但是還沒有智慧國會的部分就沒有列了解那我想這個部分會剛剛已經講了美方應該是沒辦法接受了解這是第一個第二個民眾黨團提的他將所有的那些這個項目跟那個金額都寫上去這個是跟條例還有將預算整個是 |
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是混在一起了條例應該是能立預算案的部分呢我們還要等到後續我們預算案提出來那預算案還有可能跟美方在預約的過程當中最後會產生變動那麼變動的話我們就要修這個預算相關的這些書表如果把它列到條例裡面的話 |
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隨便一個字一個項目一個金額的變動那我們要送到大院來再來審議然後再來修改然後才能夠去變更這個預算書表我想這個是沒辦法執行的啦最後一個請教一下這個執行的這個條例的期限期間行政院版現在訂的是八年那 |
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拉到八年對這個案子來說部長可不可以再跟大家講一下為什麼要拉這樣的一個時間我們相關的這樣子的一個能力的建構不管是軍購案商購案或者是委制案我們都會有一定的一個期程那這些期程呢 |
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我們也要考慮到這一個相關的財政紀律跟相關的公共債務法相關的給我們的一些限制那當然我們會跳脫說有關這個年度預算給我們的一些束縛但是我們還是會遵照財政紀律法跟這一個公共債務法有一些總量的一個管制那最重要就是說不管是軍購案、商購案或者是這個委戰它都有交易的趨勢所以軍購案會有一個 |
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交運的期程那如果沒辦法在這個期間內完成這個交運將這個條例限縮在很短的時間內那幾乎這個預算這個案項就沒有辦法來執行交運這個 |
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比如說海馬仕的82套那同樣無人機的部分我們也希望能夠符合迭代創新所以我們會有一個迭代創新的一個長年期的規劃然後來達到一個預算規模然後來增加國內的產線的能量讓這個整個國防制度能夠提升那這個都是有一個完整的一個配套所以這個8年這個數字也是跟美方討論過的數字 |
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我們就美方討論的部分是軍購案的這個部分那麼其他的部分我們當然也會隨時跟美方保持溝通你總是要問他多久做得出來嘛多久怎麼當時做得出來你們去顧問這一個8年交易的期程都有從剛剛講的開始LR和平衡跟LR這個 |
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LOA等等這個相關的這個階段就推估出來了我們都有跟他們做綿密的溝通OK 好 謝謝 |