iVOD / 167768

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IVOD_ID 167768
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167768
日期 2026-03-23
會議資料.會議代碼 聯席會議-11-5-35,20-1
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 1
會議資料.種類 聯席會議
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 35
會議資料.委員會代碼[1] 20
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 外交及國防委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] 財政委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-03-23T10:52:44+08:00
結束時間 2026-03-23T11:02:08+08:00
影片長度 00:09:24
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委員名稱 陳永康
委員發言時間 10:52:44 - 11:02:08
會議時間 2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議(事由:併案審查:一、行政院函請審議「強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。三、本院國民黨黨團擬具「強化國防及對美軍事採購特別條例草案」案。(3月23日、3月25 日及26日三天一次會))
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 那部長您先喝口水休息一下好主席有請顧部長請顧部長
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 今天的國防部的這份報告資料一共14頁內容確實非常多但是是文字敘述沒有圖沒有表可能就國防部的專業人士來看他腦筋的邏輯是非常清晰的但是在在場不同領域的問政的立法委員背景不同他的解讀可能會有一些落差所以我用很簡短的時間把今天這個
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 整個的狀況啊先把它國防部編列特別預算本質現況目標方法限制因素手段預期把它排列出來那有待釐清的東西像辦案的內容第九頁第十一頁第十二頁這些東西我不足條列這個希望會後啊各部會的負責的這個司長次長我們再做溝通
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 那么过去啊徐司检副部长也讲过了说都没有来赴委没有机会前面有很多时间可以沟通啊不能到二月过完年以后才来所以这些东西我们都在做沟通无人机的东西啊我们是绝对支持但是有一个很严肃的问题大家都没有去touch乌克兰呢
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 俄乌跟这个美国跟伊朗完全状况不能套到台湾乌克兰的面积是台湾的16.7倍全部是地面作战如果没有starlink美方不提供新链的话乌克兰的无人机一架都不能用那以色列跟伊朗的状况伊朗的面积是台湾的45倍因为中共提供北斗
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 我们这两个都没有也就是说我们无人机里面的除了军售大无人机以及中科院自制的无人机以外其他属于消耗型的小型无人机到暂时没有指挥频道这个希望我们国防部的同仁跟厂商要加强把这个叙述清楚消耗型没有关系自毁也可以
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 那另外就是不斷電了這是還有一個很重要的我們是希望在國軍的指揮中心下面的緊急發電機能夠雖然都是根據我們政府的消防安全法規但是你地下室的儲油槽是可以修改的
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 你的发电机要冷却的所以我们未来也甚至建议这个内政部的消防安全允许在重要的超高大楼医院下面增加它的储油储水量以应暂时的需要因为断电以后不只是政府的机构它的供电能力失电没有了24小时以后它就停电了
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 绝对是支持国防但是绝对不是一个包括式的支持或不支持本席过去在国军服务啊也到立法院来回答绝对不是像我们有的委员讲yes or no不是是跟不是的这张图啊我希望我们战规师了解这是美军过去做的整个的军售作业流程全部在这里面你用文字叙述哪一个不是在政府官员服务的人能够了解
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 所以你的整个的尤其是右下角这个图哪个地方要多少时间如果重新回来流露要多少全在这里面用图像的解释远比用文字叙述要容易因为这个是专业你们清楚可是听的人不见得了解这个提供参考这个就是去年的所有41个国家所有的军售全部列出来了
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 那这里面你就可以去比较啊有没有相同重复的会不会影响到我们以后的这个是2月26号美国国务院公布的所有的我们的项目全在上面
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 这个是2026目前已经军售跟美国签了发价书的我们还没签但是可以但并不表示我们就摆不进去了有什么冲击2025年的军售有41个国家那现在这里面列了14项所以我们需要的东西跟其他国家会不会有时效的冲击或者是排序的问题那个后面可以再谈
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 這個是我們整個軍售作業作業流程我希望大家在這個上面去做檢討精進可能這個圖還不夠理想沒有大家講得清楚但是看了你會知道我哪一段誤解了所以之前我們都是講看發價書其實我們有一個一個詢價的LOR for P&A或者是這個怎麼講呢這是發價書的要求LOR for LOA對
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 这个上面有写出来那这个是一个流露我提供这张图给部里参考你觉得哪里不理想不对你更正但是有个framework有个框架这样子对民间的老百姓对在立法院的同仁有了解军购是一个集合名词就美方的立场来讲包括军售商售军售如知以及总统特别法案那再加上我们国内的合作
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 談到未來的挑戰我特別要提供建議韌性不止於消耗的彈藥這是消耗不起的所以遠程打擊目標精準C5ISR要加T要加targeting要趕快精進我們現在就已經C4ISR那個5是cyber
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 那不要被干擾能够抓到对面的要能够掌握对面的情势所以并不是谁去挡台湾之盾台湾之盾是一个很好的崇高理想但是这次铁穹也破了因为消耗不起
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 所以把对面模拟这个东西我想每年的汉光我们都在做但是实际上现在AI导入以后你做交换正反向模拟你可以拦截多少还要承受多少另外一个就是像大家说明的如果台海冲突是全世界最大的灾难
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 所以川普講任內不會習大大說我有這個想法但是沒有agenda所以我們的想定裡面尤其是兩溪的灘頭絕對不是現在想像中的灘頭紅色海灘只剩下銀籍的這種機率是不大的你真正的要是保持著電網不斷外面的人員來進來這個
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 整個對這個頻道啊通訊啊這個是最重要的我只講到這邊做這做一個給各位做一個參考部長您指教我是不是請鐘哥先簡單回應一下就
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 我以中科院的身份跟您報告一下就我們剛剛有講到無人載具發展的問題其實無人載具它真正重要的是軟體去定義硬體也只有用軟體定義硬體我們才能夠做到快速的迭代更新我們才能夠在GPS在電子干擾的狀況下能夠靠著自主化的軟體持續去執行任務為什麼我們需要
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 編列特別預算就是當我們在跟國外的廠家去談軟體授權或者是共同發展的時候一次性編組一筆預算我才能夠在這個軟體的裡面智慧財產佔比佔最高也就智慧財產能夠百分之百屬於我們的我們才能夠透過軟體定義去持續讓我的無人載具去迭代更新這個就是中科院要完全擔任主合約商
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 如果是國內的合約商跟你是平起平坐的對談第一個他要跟美國的廠商談美國廠商要先通過ITAT審查所以有些技術東西不見得能轉移第二個我們國內的廠商要接受美國的叫做什麼核實調查DD我們國內廠商都沒有所以要中科院代表出面以上提出建議好 謝謝委員