| IVOD_ID |
16776 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16776 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-23T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-23T12:09:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:38:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbc8f16848c68b0942ad9f551ce5fa921f418e1797692e3a0d10185445af00ad1d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、交通部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就「因應高齡化社會，我國智慧公共運具發展及目標」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月23日及6月25日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:15 - 12:09:00 |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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響鐘 |
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字幕志愿者 |
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谢谢观看 |
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MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
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感谢观看 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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谢谢观看 欢迎订阅 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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感谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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請報告出席人數報告全體會 出席委員8人 1組法定人數 |
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1814.921 |
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1838.99 |
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現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第三會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議議事錄時間114年6月16日星期一9時至10時7分地點紅樓101會議室出席委員鄭天才等13人列席委員1人列席人員個人資料保護委員會籌備處主任李仕德李仕德等主席蔡昭景委員議員 |
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報告事項 宣讀上次會議議事錄 決定 確定討論事項一 繼續審查行政行情審議 個人資料保護法 部分條件修正草案等7案二 審查本院本院委員黃婕等16人 理據個人資料保護法 部分條件修正草案決議一 第一條是 |
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1.增訂第一條之二 第十二條 第十八條 增訂第二條之一及第二十一條條文均照行政院提案通過2. |
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1863.119 |
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1868.423 |
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增訂第三章之一章名及第一節節名 均照行政院提案通過3. |
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1868.423 |
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1871.505 |
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增訂第二十一條之一條文 照行政院提案通過4. |
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增訂第二十一條之二條文 除第一項守據 主管機關德修正為主管機關因外 須均照行政院提案通過5. |
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增訂第二十一條之三至第二十一條之五條文 均照行政院提案通過 |
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6.增訂第2節結名照行政提案通過 其第22條至第26條條文均照行政提案通過8. |
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1891.116 |
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1892.636 |
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刪除第27條條文照行政提案通過 9. |
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1894.517 |
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第47條至第49條條文均照行政提案通過 10. |
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增訂第51條之1條文保留送院未處理 |
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十一 第五十二條 第五十三條及增訂第五十三條之一條文均照行政提案通過十二 委員過疫情等人提案增訂第五十三條之二條文不予增訂十三 第五十五條條文照行政提案通過十四 並向審查官郡擬拒審查報告提報院會討論需交由黨法協商並推請蔡昭紀委員予以於院會討論時作補充說明主席宣告 通過這條文相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理 散會 宣讀完畢 |
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1934.38 |
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1956.27 |
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好繼續進行報告事項請宣讀邀請經濟部部長國家發展委員會主任委員交通部部長及國家科學及技術委員會首長就因應高靈化社會我國智慧公共運具發展及目標進行報告並被質詢宣讀完畢請經濟部郭智慧部長報告 |
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1971.584 |
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1995.738 |
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主席 各位委員 大家早首先感謝貴委員會邀請經濟部就因應高齡化社會我國智慧公共運具發展及目標進行專案報告敬請各位委員不吝嗇經濟部會配合交通部推動市區公車2030年全面電動化政策 |
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1997.076 |
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2014.697 |
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辅导车厂投入国产智慧电动巴士整车及关键零组件开发,且符合载运轮椅使用者规定满足高龄化社会的公共运输需求,针对电动巴士发展现况分数如下。 |
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2015.595 |
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2032.078 |
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一、自快電動巴士的開發經濟部起經已推動晨運汽車、華德動能、創意能源、紅華先進及總營汽車等五家業者開發出六款低地板電動大巴士 |
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令電動中型巴士部分成運汽車、創意能源及金融汽車等業者亦投入開發成運及創意的電動中型巴士預計於115年第一季量產金融電動中型巴士預計於115年第三季量產 |
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2077.907 |
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智慧电动巴士产业布局国内电动巴士业者针对整车底盘、动力系统、电池芯等关键技术研发及生产投资情形说明如下一、洪华先进,投资约新台币100亿元并于高雄桥德科学园区兴建AI智慧电动巴士工厂一起预计114年底年产能500辆 |
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2085.02 |
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二期預估117年可達年產能1000輛的規模二 承運汽車與彰化惡靈園區投資約25億元建置整車與三電系統產線預估114年第四期量產整車年產能預估可達2000輛三個電模組年產能達1萬套三 華德電農 |
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于台中无期投入约25亿元设立整车及底盘整合生产线111年第三季已正式投入生产目前整车年产能达1700辆三电模组年产能达7000套四创意能源预计投入50亿元于新竹设立新厂 |
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规划导入智慧整车与模组化生产线综上所述随着我国智慧电动巴士产业发展自99年起继至114年5月底电动巴士挂牌达2083辆产值已达212.4亿元 |
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在智慧电动巴士产值持续提升的同时,为进一步优化其营运效率,提升行车安全并实现高效能能源管理,国内相关业者积极投入智慧化系统之研发与应用,分数如下。 |
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1.電動巴士是營運效率提升,仰賴先進車隊管理系統之導入應用。鑑於此,經濟部輔導國內業者整合全球定位系統、地理資訊系統與人工智慧大數據分析技術,開發具備車輛及時追蹤、智能派遣及油耗優化等功能車隊管理系統,並以獲得多家車廠採用。 |
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二为强化电动巴士行车安全经济部积极引导国内产学研介投入先进驾驶辅助系统ADAS之研发与导入其中资车会所开发之AI内轮叉自动刹停系统以及工业院及国内车厂创意能源合作研发之车道维持辅助系统LKAS均已成功导入应用透过整车 |
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2252.216 |
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透过整合车联网与AI感知技术以降低行车的风险为优化电动巴士能源管理经济部协助国内业者积极发展智慧充电排成系统鼎翰与心动智能等公司以建置示范场域以节省电力并延长电池的寿命以获多家国内客运系统的采用 |
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2265.926 |
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整體而言 國內主要電動巴士廠之車型與研發能量已逐漸成型未來將持續加強開發符合高齡化社會所需之大眾 |
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2268.416 |
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2289.908 |
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運輸車型及智慧化輔助系統以完善公共智慧運具普及與應用進而提升高齡者移動便利性與安全性實現友善高齡制社會目標以上報告及說明 敬請指教 謝謝好 謝謝現在請交通部林國賢次長報告 |
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2321.87 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生今天要列席各位委員會就因應高齡化社會我國智慧公共運輸發展及目標進行報告請說明如後 請各位委員指教有關高齡化公共運輸辦理的情況鑑於國內高齡化社會的來臨交通部為建構高齡者 |
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2322.31 |
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2330.934 |
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互助身心障礙者皆可以使用之友善通用化的無障礙環境目前各運輸機關系依據建築技術規則建築設計施工篇建築無障礙設施設施規範大眾運輸 |
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2338.138 |
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2362.05 |
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工具無障礙設施設置辦法等規定並定期對所屬的人員辦理服務的課程設施操作訓練跟辦理觀摩能夠提供更友善的服務其中針對公路公共運輸部分交通部是透過公路公共運輸計畫來辦理各項公共運輸的措施主要針對高齡者外出時它的特性是較沒有尖峰的集中性質 |
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2387.48 |
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那也比较不耐于长距离的步行因此除了增加公车路线外亦希望能调整相关的服务形态以利更符合高龄者的运输需求相关办理的情形分数如下一推动幸福巴士提高在偏乡的涵盖率那考虑偏乡部落的分散居民长期面临交通不便挑战为完善偏远地区的基本民行 |
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2414.193 |
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本部公路局在105年开始就推动需求反应式公车公共运输系统DRTS现在改称幸福巴士由公路局协助地方政府规划路线并导入多元弹性之运剧局预约平台服务另外提供学生就学长者就医采买跟原住民区的文件站的接送等多元服务 |
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2415.117 |
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2440.18 |
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那另外截至114年5月底子公路局已经在192个乡镇共493条路线其中包含62个偏乡239条路线推动幸福巴士其中幸福巴士通车共97个乡镇区326条路线幸福小黄通车95个乡镇区共167条路线全国偏乡的公共运输涵盖率可以达到94.4% |
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第三,公路局会持续来协助地方政府,就检讨固定营运的模式,希望能够配合当地的形态转型成弹性预约的服务,提高弹性预约的服务路线、班次跟服务区域来进行幸福巴士的服务。 |
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第二大项是导入预约式的通用计程车服务因应高龄化社会跟行动不便者的运输需求交通部透过公路公共运输计划补助购置无障碍的计程车到2014年5月底止全国通用计程车的数量是1331辆 |
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那另外交通部運輸研究所從108年開始就辦理愛接送預約式的通用計程車服務的事辦計畫並開辦了這個通用計程車預約整合系統那希望能夠提供民眾統一預約入口 |
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跟主管机关自动化的集合作业那这些研发的成果呢已开放给中央机关跟地方政府向运输研究所申请无偿的授权使用目前已经有卫福部六个直辖市屏东县政府跟嘉义县政府完成授权契约的签订那第三交通部在114年3月6号透过修正通用计程车的补助作业要点 |
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未來地方政府提出通用計程車的補助計畫的時候應該要規劃建置預約整合系統交通部會持續補助通用計程車的車輛數也導入通用計程車的特約制度來提高高齡者對於交通運輸的服務跟便利性第三大項是透過電動公車的計畫來實現公車全面無障礙化 |
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首先为了改善跟提升我国公共运输发展的环境跟服务我们是透过公路公共运输计划相关计划的执行来协助地方政府跟客运业者购置地地板公车经查我国市区公车的无障碍比例从民国98年的7.2%已经大幅提升到114年3月的73.4% |
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其次为了实现永续低碳运输的愿景交通部又向行政院争取并且已经符合定2030年客运车辆电动化推动计划13年到19年的计划那希望能够达到2030年也就是民国119年市区公车全面电动化的目标 |
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交通部藉由補助購車除了要求地方政府跟客運業者需要購置無障礙的地地板公車以外也希望能夠達到市區全面無障礙的環境同步要求車輛業者也要加裝先進駕駛輔助系統數位監控系統電池管理系統等設備這個資料也要上傳給我們公路局的監控平台以提供更安全的公共運輸服務 |
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其次,截至2014年5月底止,電動大客車已領排的營業數量為2,028輛,金河定在打造中的1,260輛,合計共有3,288輛電動公車已準備上路。目前,經濟部輔導的有華德、承運、創意、弘華、總營等5家業者、6種車型可供地方政府及客運業者選用。 |
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交通部将持续辅导车辆业者来开发更多的公车公路客运的车型供业者来选用加速达成这个目标第四大项是定定自驾公车实验运行的安全指引因应无人载具科技的兴起立法院107年已制定无人载具科技创新实验条例由经济部受理相关无人载具实验计划的审查 |
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交通部优先聚焦在自驾公共运输的发展跟推动已经在113年底完成了我们自驾公车实验运行安全的指引这个指引可以提供经济部纳入餐采应用希望能够在推动自驾公车应用安全的前提下也能符合国内道路环境跟交通服务的实际需求第五大项工作是研艺高龄者T-PASS的方案 |
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从112年7月开始行政院推动TPAS政策以来全国已经有20个县市政府推动28种定期票的方案经统计到14年4月止已经有1453万人左右来加值购买有11.08亿人次使用定期票证来搭乘公共运输 |
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另外为利公共运输使用次数较少或跨生活圈使用的族群可多选择使用公共运输从今年的1月开始再推出TPAS 2.0的计划TPAS 2.0是公共运输常客的优惠2014年2月到4月已经有14.1万张的票卡达成回馈条件回馈条件是使用超过11次到30次回馈使用金额的15%使用超过30次回馈30%最高40% |
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累計回饋金額目前已經達到147萬左右那其次為利高齡者多搭乘公共運輸減少失言欲拒的使用我們鼓勵高齡者自願繳回駕照交通部課證研擬透過補助TPAS的方案提供自願繳回駕照年長者搭乘公共運輸的優惠目前方案還在研擬中希望能夠進一步來降低高齡者交通服務的負擔 |
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那捷宇交通部将持续依据高龄者的需求检讨各项公共运输的措施发展导入多元弹性的服务方式并结合在地资源以利高龄者来方便使用上请各位委员不吝指教谢谢 |
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好 謝謝其他單位書面報告請委員自行參閱並列入公報記錄現在進行詢答委員質詢前原例作以下宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記首先請陳廷飛委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我們是請江東浦次長林次長 |
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市長早市長我想我們交通部有推出很多智慧運輸系統整個發展的一個串聯但是我想我們有沒有盤點過到底我們在各地長者跟身心障礙者的需求跟我們現在所規劃的 |
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包括幸福巴士幸福小黃或是智慧運輸系統真正或是我們TPAS所有你有沒有把你的專案計畫統整過對於我們年長者因為依照我們現在所有的資料顯示我們的長者是越來越多需要的人也越來越多雖然我們現在有長照可是我們更希望我們的長者是能夠利用 |
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機會走出來的我覺得長照我們要做在前面是讓他們可以走出來去看很多的地方走遍很多的地方包括他的就醫包括他的所有交通的網絡他是沒有問題的所以如果網絡沒有問題他當然就不用自己開車了 |
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如果網路可以OK的話那我相信我們就可以排除所謂在後端我們擔心是不是長者開車會不安全的問題所以這個部分其實都是一關一關連結在一起的 |
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那次長我們交通部有沒有盤整過謝謝委員您提的非常重要那要盤整高齡者的運輸需求大概就像您提的要把他的區塊稍微區隔出來以類似屬於身心健康其實現在高齡者有很多 |
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活动能力跟身体健康程度非常棒的非常好所以像这一类的我们鼓励他出游所以目前很明显的高速铁路台铁我们的国道科研一般公路科研甚至公车我们都有半价的高龄者的使用优惠所以这个部分是没有问题其实不是半价的问题65岁以上基本上 |
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他的搭乘都本來就有優惠了現在是說這個網絡你今天從偏鄉要出來我都看到說哇你們對於偏鄉有一些推動幸福巴士幸福小航那請問你們的偏鄉你們著重點在哪裡請問如果台南市台南市是都喔是直轄市喔可是他在山區他算不算偏鄉 |
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包委員您提的是重點偏鄉裡面就是地方政府認為它那個地方是屬於比較偏遠的譬如說我們台南地區像山上南西玉井以上有些主要路線沒有服務到的地方我們都可以來認定但是基本上目前的做法是如果那個地方有公共運輸固定路線我們基本上是不屬於偏鄉地段 |
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那如果完全都没有公共运输路线可以服务甚至招商的过程没有人愿意那我们就纳入这个计划来处理所以您提的很重要里面我们有一个幸福巴士是属于小巴中巴之类的服务那比较弹性那如果他无法还有幸福小王啊因为幸福小王才是关键啊对对对幸福小王就是用计程车来担任公共运输路线的服务是啊他的付出票就要跟公共运输一样 |
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所以其實我們一直在談的就是說你所謂的偏鄉沒錯如果說今天他有公車路線可以經過可是公車路線經過的班次沒那麼多那這個部分又怎麼認定 |
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因為公車它還是會有所謂的這個所謂消費的問題跟狀況嘛它也不可以給你開一條線說我都了解的雖然我們現在要補貼可是這個還是補貼不足啊所以它還是會有運量的問題如果運量不足它還是不會開那條線可是就算開了可能就是一般可能在上下學的時候開了一般 |
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那委員您提出重點我們固定路線的公共運輸因為固定班次嘛那會根據需求來那如果他的需求比較偏重就學或一般的上班可能他的時間跟高齡者的使用時間不一樣完全不同啊那我們也可以鼓我們也鼓勵縣市政府把這一類的提報幸福小黃或是幸福巴士的補充路線 |
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所以這個並不違背他提報原則可以就對了只是說到時候再審查因為你剛剛有說啊他第一個優先要件就是說要公車路線沒有抵達的地方嘛對啊但是如果說公車路線他可能限定的是上學下學的下學那個這個下課的時間所以他有可能在這個部分 |
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他就卡住了沒錯那你說喔這個次長有說了他如果在時間上沒有辦法符合長者或身心障礙者的需求我們就導入也可以導入我們的幸福巴士或幸福小房所以你看我剛剛的報告裡面有把固定路線可以調整成彈性路線這個都有縣市政府或鄉鎮公所來提出來所以我們是有這樣的一個彈性不是硬梆梆的 |
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因為我們很擔心我們直轄市現在實在是有點好像切身為民好像直轄市的資源很多其實不是我們有時候在所謂的偏鄉明明我們山區就是偏鄉 |
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可是在很多的條件當中又會被排除掉其實這是很不公平的好 市長跟委員報告一下委員剛剛講的確實是一個很重要的課題所以如果說像台南市有一些這個比較偏遠地區原來固定路線一天只開一班兩班 |
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那中間沒有辦事的話 那這個部分我們都跟台南市政府來合作將原來的固定路線轉成那個幸福巴士的這個路線可以用中8或9人座或者是計程車來這個加密這個頻率那目前這個台南市也在像很多比較偏向的地方山上也推了很多小房的一個這個路線這個部分我們會跟台南市政府繼續來做這個合作 |
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好 那另外一個部分就是說在我們智慧運輸系統發展建設計畫裡面我們現在台南有推出三個一個是我們東區域農路運輸走廊暨多叉路口的交通改善計畫另外一個部分是AI道安分析暨路口改善專家資源系統建置計畫另外一個部分是 |
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114年台南市視障與弱勢行車行人與對車警告的系統計畫那這個部分我們東區運農路這個部分114年是1573萬然後AI道安分析入口的專家資源系統是503萬114年台南市視障與弱勢行人這個警告系統的計畫是252萬 |
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好這個目前我們都提出了那這個市政府也16月12號審查意見在修正當中那這個部分要麻煩我們交通部要優先來配合 |
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協助處理因為這個都是屬於我們入口危險的部分而且我們都希望說可以透過整個AI的分析來改善我們所有相關的一個智慧化因為 |
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AI的狀況還有另外一點就是整個連線的部分怎麼所有做總檢討我覺得這個都要利用我們的整個計畫去協助雖然我們現在一直不斷的在每個月都有到案匯報可是到案匯報之後匯整起來包括我們發現現在其實很多點都沒有連線其實沒有連線是很危險的 |
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所以在整個所謂高齡化或這個身心障礙者的智慧運具或是整個AI先進技術還有智慧化如何滿足所有通勤者的需求除了我們前面三項的計畫拜託我們交通部要趕快核准之外我們希望我們能夠對於我們市府很多高齡化還有身心障礙者的運具 |
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剛剛我談的那個部分要怎麼協助要整個串聯串聯真的很重要啦其實市長其實交通運輸沒有串聯什麼都白搭啦他的使用度就不高啦如果你要讓他再轉車 |
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你要教高齡化人口怎麼轉車長者怎麼轉車身心障礙者怎麼轉車那是不可能的嘛他就是要一次到位所以當沒有串聯的話沒有利用我們智慧運具基本上那是沒有辦法的所以我們怎麼協助市政府去做更多的這些規劃利用我們AI的技術智慧化的技術去滿足他們的需求還有通勤者的需求 |
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點線面的串聯其實是比什麼更重要是謝謝委員您提的蠻重要的縣市政府或地方政府要非常清楚他們的不同地區高齡者的需求是什麼那您剛剛提到的一個是進入點就是接觸資訊的這個來源第二個是中間通行的路徑第三個是當地的場站能不能符合他的需求再來當然是上車以後的路線這個那三個計畫我們已經審查 |
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完了再修正重所以应该会全力来支持谢谢委员我们大概再跟县政府一起合作再麻烦市长再跟我们市政府交通局这个部分因为我觉得我们不能是一个大计划在上面其实我们应该要深入没错深入的部分是市政府要做县市政府要做可是我们交通部怎么协助他们整个做串联 |
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那個關鍵很重要串聯你那個審核的機制你一定要把這個前提擺在上面讓他們可以串聯點線面串聯讓他們在整個交通的一個轉運是沒有問題的那麼他的承搭率才會高運量才會高公共運輸服務裡面有個叫無縫化的過程所以這一塊我們也會透過無障礙小組我們每個機關都有一個無障礙小組 |
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那我們跟王明德局長也常在互動所以這一塊應該沒有問題再麻煩一下我覺得這個對於我們所聽到的長者的需求或是我們身心障礙者的需求他的原則最重要的是無縫接軌無縫接軌這個部分才是重要的 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝我們現在 |
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我們先確定會議事錄好不好好請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有無錯誤沒有好那議事錄確定現在請楊瓊英委員做詢答謝謝主席楊瓊英發言邀請部長郭部長 |
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委員長部長好部長我們看到媒體報導伊朗準備要封鎖荷姆茲海峽大家都知道荷姆茲海峽是國際在運輸運原油非常重要的航道那如果封鎖了之後對我們的影響有多大呢請教部長 |
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我們現在還在評估啦我們有各種不同的這個所以我們有掌控這個訊息我們當然是從上個禮拜開始我們就掌控這個訊息上個禮拜開始那您認為評估了之後如果陳真那應該會陳真的情況之下我們影響會多大 |
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我們影響會根據這個國際油價的走勢是做不同的這個推論譬如說現在這個油價來到80塊這個區間我們有這個80塊的這個做法當這個油價來到國際油價來到100塊我們100塊有什麼樣的對策 |
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包括我們要從哪個地方取得比較現貨的報價包括120、140我們都有做不斷的各種的方案去應對之那我們有多少的天然氣跟原油會從荷姆茲海峽通過呢我們大概目前來講這一個部分的話詳細的 |
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我們大概目前為止大概會有多少我們現在目前所盤出來了目前來看應該是低於20%低於20%那低於20%呢這是目前我們所掌控的訊息所以換句話說封鎖了之後對我們是影響還是很大對我們影響就是說我們要繞過這個荷姆斯海峽然後這個影響對我們來講可能就是時間啦 |
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所以你的成本一定會增加嗎時間啊時間會更長嗎時間當然會更長嘛那個運費的部分啦運費的部分能夠攤底下來其實不多啦攤底不多現在是這個市場的行情在漲的時候會影響到我們的油價那這個是我們都有推論啦 |
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所以預估如果封鎖了荷姆茲海峽那麼原油有可能會漲我們都有一套這個計算的模式當然會漲所以這個會針對我們會有影響我們一定要審慎對峙我們當然是非常的審慎的來評估所以我們有各種不同的 |
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各種不同的階段的影響評估我們在上個禮拜都已經做過好 上個禮拜開始應對接下來本席要跟你討論的我們請交通部次長也一併上來今天的主題是高齡化我國智慧公共運具發展的目標我認為除了長遠的智慧運作發展 |
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是非常重要那公共運輸的部分呢我相信也必須要兼具的現狀落地有效如我們台中小王公車台中的服務員山海豚到梨山都是我們的所以在這樣的情況之下有很多的偏鄉所以早期大客車比較不容易進來的那所以呢我們民眾有時候等一班公車要等好久好久在這樣的情況之下 |
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有時候根本沒有車可以搭在這個偏鄉那所以呢我們台中市府就推出了小黃公車用計程車來取代大客車依照固定的路線固定的班次不僅它成本來節省也讓長輩讓學童讓身心障礙者以及讓通行者都能夠更加的受惠那盧市長上任之後呢我們更擴大 |
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小黃公車的這個政策我也參與其中我也參與其中 甚至我們涵蓋了原市區以及我們縣區的三海屯總共21個22個行政區162里超過的班次有有這個26萬班次使用的服務的人次有達到178907人所以小黃公車在整個補上運量 |
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不大 但是呢它實際上是非常非常的有效能因為它可以將需求的這個關鍵搭配呢可以降低成本所以在這邊要請教我們台中的小王公車是不是地方創新是一個成功的典範 市長 |
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所以本席要請教中央你是不是應該既然他是成功的 |
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而且是協助那在這樣的情況之下是不是應該要主動盤點全國還有哪一些的區塊他是否可以導入建立一個跨部位的協調平台從交通從經濟甚至在數位發展的一起來推動智慧型的 |
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小型運輸是謝謝委員這應該的這應該的對已經盤點到這個程度有些工作必須要重新思考哪些需求沒有被滿足所以你認同這個方向所以接下來我要請教經濟部長麻煩縣市政府多幫忙 |
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縣市政府多幫忙 但是你中央要負責我們的經濟部長我知道這個對中央來講交通部他是主責但是我們經濟部我認為佔了很重要的角色也就是我們是不是可以透過中小企業相關的資源來協助車行的升級 |
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車輛要升級啊 車輛不升級 它拍出來沒有辦法這麼樣的迅速有效第一個 車輛升級 比如說我們導入了電動車 數位派遣AI的排班系統 讓小王公車它不只是交通工具 它更是智慧交通的一個轉型 |
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市長請你注意聽到 加上市長是是謝謝委員的這個垂行這個部分我們馬上回來這個嚴明一下子好 非常感謝市長你聽到了部長願意要協助透過我們整合中小企業相關的這個資源所以我們希望小車也能夠有大力量那地方敢做能做的我們也希望經濟部他不是只有盤關就像部長我非常的這個這個讚許你願意 |
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一起跟交通部 我們從地方的資源 相關的中小企業資源 跟交通部一起來做那在這樣的情況之下呢 我們覺得整個永續的在地的這個交通新模式 它是需要去落實的所以目前我們補助重大 這個大增運輸的部分 都涵蓋在大型的營業者 |
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那對於剛剛交通部經濟部都認可的我們的這個小黃這一類的小型微型的經營者也應該要建立更友善的營運獎勵這個營運的這個獎勵措施讓地方真正成如剛剛交通部次長所說的他是地方創新地方業者也能夠投入帶動整個這個經濟鏈的一個成長那是否可以擴及到我們這種小型微型的一個經營者 |
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是謝謝委員吹薰這一部分凡是對我們國家這個中小微企業有幫助的這一些所有的這個推動活動我們中小企業署我們一定是不遺餘力全力以赴 |
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非常的感謝因為剛剛我特別先請交通次長來回答喔那這個呢在交通部跟經濟部大家都是非常認可我們在地方探求民眾的需求那麼多久時間可以嚴厲一套這個方案獎勵措施告訴我們讓我們地方的微型企業都能夠能夠得到政府的支持肯定跟落實 |
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是我們來跟這個中小企業署我想我們三個月內然後訪問這個所有的業者的心聲那麼看實際的這個可以產生什麼樣的效益我們三個月內可以提出來這一份的報告好那在討論的當中我也請交通部在這邊你要加入其中經濟部願意協助我們要謝謝我們希望在三個月內能夠得到一個答案交通部請回接下來本席要請問 |
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部長再生能源我們再來討論一下目標你一再跳票是2026年是不是會達標我們希望能夠達標但是部長我們討論的能源政策呢我看到2025年再生能源的配比是20%但是到今年的上半年我們初估大概是16.3%後來又說要到2026年11月份才能夠達成我請問2026年的目標會再跳票嗎 |
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報告委員2026年到目前為止我們很肯定的跟委員報告我們絕對不會讓他跳票2026年達到再生能源的20%不會被跳票因為本期今天看到這個在報紙上面你們說擴大無限量的發電量是否如此 |
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是否如此 是要因應這個2026年不會跳票嗎 是嗎是 我們現在在尋求各種的跨部門的協商我們希望以2026年不跳票作為我們最重要的一個方式以2026年 |
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不跳票的方式去尋找各種方式去落實接下來我們來討論原本強調的你的風光電太陽光的這個部分裝置容量2025年是達到20GWh的目標但是去年也宣布是跳票了 |
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那你跳票也是延長到2026年但是我們看到光電的部分離20GW的目標我們還缺了5.49GW的一個缺口那學者業者都認為那一年如果增加兩個GW就了不得了那在這樣的情況之下都不看好2026年的這個打標會不會再延後 |
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光電的部分我們確實有碰到盧委員所垂行的這樣的一個困難但是我們在其他的方法其他的部分譬如說我們從這個風電還有這個地熱或者是水利我們希望能夠再加快 |
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所以剛剛部長你的回答也就是太陽光太陽光確定2026年還是達不到還會再延後我們2026年的11月達標還是我們第一個任務我們一定要想辦法達標我們只是說怕萬一 |
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怕萬一因為我們還仍然需要有一些地方政府的支持請問的是結果論喔2026年你達到20幾個月會達標嗎以目前我們的規劃會以目前的規劃 但是落實的腳程呢 |
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也是會 會達標落實的腳程也會達標是 但是我們需要所有國人大家共同的配合你有這個但是就是表示目前是有疑慮的沒有 這個是我們對於法彼此的認知啦那我肯定的告訴你會達標好 |
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2026年你認為太陽光電的部分呢是2026年會達到20%或是會達標那接下來本席跟你討論風電的部分風電2025年呢那麼你要達到5.6GW但是現在大概是3GW那進度會延後嗎也會達標嗎風電我們會提早風電會提早在2025年你會達到5.6GW嗎 |
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2026年 我們還是2026年所以你的2025年要達到5.6計高的話是已經跳票所以宣布到2026年 請說明清楚那個是在過去的啊這個延一年也是在過去所承諾的事情好 所以你現在要封建死這所承諾的事情一定要來落實嘛因為你2025已經跳票 人民會怕啊那你現在2026 本席請教 |
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會不會跳票那個報告委員2025年延到2026年是因為COVID的關係所以當時上一任上一屆的這個政府有承諾讓他們延一年但我來接這個部長的時候就是完成2020年所以換句話說2026年你的這個風電的部分5.6GW你是要達到的 |
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是的好最後結論每年全國的電量上升不斷的在上升對不對部長需求量是上升的需求量我們都有估在我們的計畫裡面當然是上升當然是上升那麼實際上我們發電量與20%的對應是有差距的因為政府的規劃在2030年再生能源的部分佔比是30%燃氣49%燃煤是多少呢 |
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20%2030年本期告訴你但是我們也聽到也看到考量便利的需求的成長率是2.1%對不對每一年的成長率大概2%2.1%是 報告委員您的資料是2.1那我們估的是2.4 |
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2.4 還有需求量 就是說我們每一年一直在增加好 這個有個故事 也就是每一年的需求電量是增加的所以屆時再生能源的發電量 預計要將比2024年的330 |
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333億度會增加到2013年我們預估的2013年的976億度那換句話說是2024年的3倍所以本市要請教再生能源實際上的發電達到多少2024年及2025年到底數字是多少這個詳情的數目是請容許我回去再確認以後再跟您報告 |
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你頭腦現在沒有這個東西這個讓我們會害怕因為我們這個是最重要的能源政策而且2030年是確定要怎麼樣會有多少發電量這個應該我們的幕僚都有清楚吧怎麼會現在回答不出來呢 |
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您槌尋的完全正確啦是 謝謝只是我必須要準備啦所以我想下一次是不是請你提早告訴我我來這邊接受您執行部長部長 我已經非常非常 |
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理性的跟你討論所以我要的是2024年以及你預估2025年的數字因為已經告訴我們每一年的這個電量成長率是2甚至2.1 2.2現在你們估到2.4所以換句話說你們應該會知道 |
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到底我們2030年我們的發電量到底是多少才能夠讓我們很有信心的實際上你的發電量是足夠的嘛那如果連這個足夠的我們都不知道數字那我們怎麼相信是呢報告委員我是說我現在腦袋裡面沒有這個數字我必須要從我同仁那邊來接受這樣的一個訊息 |
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也謝謝部長你的誠實你的誠實我也希望得到正確的這個數字請會合數字給本席我希望的再生能源它不是口號因為大家針對於能源政策跟現實的落差大家都是非常關鍵在關心也鼓勵政府要好好的做民眾也希望能夠得到一個正確的答案嘛對不對我們完全的這個看法是一致的 |
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因為任何能源是非常非常非常重要因為我們不希望又再挑撇又再失言企業的看盤查投資佈局企業的投資佈局他們關係的我們能源到底足不足他們要怎麼樣的來來佈局所以這一點是非常重要我要請部長我也感謝你誠實的回答你頭腦沒有這個數字但是這個誠實也希望能夠真正的去落實我們的數字 |
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問到以後就會給你問到以後給我這個應該是你頭腦裡面就已經有這麼重大的決策一起加油希望讓民眾能夠安心好不好不要再跳票謝謝好 謝謝我們現在請張祺凱委員做詢答 |
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以色列跟伊朗這個軍事衝突一直在升高啦特別是美國發動攻擊之後現在看起來對經濟的衝擊可能會很大今天可以啦 我們的股市 |
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暴跌了400多點那這個看起來是原油應該會是往上上升的包括牛經經濟研究院都評估說啊再這樣下去啊原油一桶可能會飆升到美元130塊錢那這個可能就帶動物價嘛接下來可能是通膨他甚至認為說連美國這個通膨啊到年底可能都會到6%那我們國內這個對經濟會有衝擊經濟會有做什麼準備嗎 |
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我們確實如委員所垂詢的我們都有做準備我們從這個國際原油價格80塊現在的這個狀況一直推你到您剛剛所說的130塊我們分成幾個不同的階段的這個油價都做了這一些情境的分析那麼根據所有的情境分析我們研擬出我們中油應該要有的對策 |
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那麼這裡面當然有考慮到委員所垂詢的這個對CPI影響會有多少我想整體的這個部分呢不是只有經濟部或者是中油公司在處理這個事情我們行政院經濟部的上級長官對這個命題也非常非常的重要所以我們都整體有在對這個赫姆茲海峽的封鎖所造成的影響做出各種的推論對 |
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這個非常重要啦所以冰淚白其實賴總統有召開國安會議嘛那現在看起來上禮拜開完之後現在這個衝突是在升高的因為美國出手了美國發動攻擊然後今天最新的消息是伊朗的國會已經通過了開始要封鎖荷摩茲這個海峽所以這個問題是在加劇當中部長你要不要利用這個機會跟前面講經濟部要怎麼樣去安定人心對經濟衝擊最小 |
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經濟部我們對這種各種的狀況都有研擬我們都有研擬所以我想這個全國國人應該可以放心我們對80塊的時候應該怎麼做對90塊怎麼做100塊會怎麼做都有各種不同的情境分析那麼對各種的變數影響都有做出具體的因應的模式這個不是只有經濟部 |
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一個部門在做的事情也不是中油公司一家公司在應應的事情這是整體行政院我們跨部會都有做這些的準備民眾非常關心你看股市那麼敏感一下就跌了400點了然後世上代總統跟總理長一定會再問你因為看起來是這個戰警在升溫當中好不好那接下來要問一個人命關天的這個事情 |
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這個在媒體啊跟這個網路上啊罵聲連連這非常嚴重的一件事情就是高雄的大樹村51公頃的山山被鏟平了樹被砍掉了人命的關天而且前幾天這個地方 |
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一場暴雨啊 滾滾的那個黃石衝下來當地的民眾來陳情 也抗議了 媒體說 媒體一個形容說什麼有可能會變成是以前小林村 媚村一個很大的一個悲劇所以現在要趕快要處理這個問題不然你們看這個圖 你們看這是一座山 51公頃喔結果山被鏟平了 右上角全部鋪了光電板 |
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下面不遠的地方就是一個社區前陣子一場暴雨那個土石已經沖下來了這是非常嚴重的一個問題那今天特別要問你的是我在11日11號提出了這個質詢問農業部部長之後我看你們的那個高雄市政府馬上去處理你們在6月13號能源署開罰了150萬 |
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對不對 可是高雄市政府現在更進一步囉他現在不是說只開拓一百五啊他說要求你們能源署要做進一步這個處理包括愁色喜可都要都要廢掉我們先來看喔 你看現場不然我給你看一下剛剛那個是空照圖這個是陳情的民眾當地民眾拍下來的你看 這個黨土牆一山被鏟平了黨土牆竟然只有做一半 |
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多危險啊 下一個 你看 這邊一個黨主權只有說這樣這個合法合規嗎 多危險的事情 再來看不是一個地方欸 很多地方都有很大的問題現在國融企業會明確要求 他說這個責任包括廢除除色席殼是經濟部的責任經濟部要廢除他們的除色席殼嗎 |
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報告委員 基本上我們一定會廢除他的酬赦許可但是必須要在高雄市政府把他的文件發出以後我們會即刻來廢止他的酬赦許可這個高雄市政府是在一個禮拜前就開了會了 6月18號來看這個說水土保守法第 來看上一張 水土保守法 |
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第三十三條 他們已經發了一百零八萬然後高雄省政府還把這個案子 已經移送到地檢署去申辦了然後他們除了要求要停工之外要求能源署 你看 白天 你看明明確確他一天白天就要求能源署要撤銷他的許可要終止這個開發 |
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文件還沒到你那邊是不是文件他還沒有發高雄市政府還沒有發出來能源署沒有辦法依照這個所發出來的文件來執行我們應該做的這個作為嘛所以跟委員報告只要高雄市政府發出這個文件我們能源署立馬就發出停止他這個施工的這個許可就是一收到 |
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馬上立即停止他 撤銷他的酬赦席可對不對依法有據嘛 依法有據我們必須要根據這個來 這個都送到地檢署了柏弟 這個是並關天的事情我們完全同意您的說法嘛 這個也是依法所有的這個能源署我想我們都是依法依規在執行我們的任務所以您剛才所垂詢的這個部分 我們一開始 |
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就是完全跟您的這個說法是完全一樣我們馬上做出這個決定只是我們現在在等高雄市政府的這個文件已經一個禮拜了不要變成兩邊在踢皮球喔回去以後可能要查要追一下到底文來的沒有好不好如果文來的部長已經受了宣示了嘛趕快要停止我們每天都在查這件事情啦這個大家這個社會這麼關注的這個命題我們不可能在那個地方什麼事情都不做 |
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那個高雄市政府真的是牛不化了陳其邁每天在衝衝衝是個軟爛對不對這個委員你大概沒有待過市政府啦所以我想你不能這樣批評高雄市市長人命關天啊 |
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第一個前陣子已經有一場大雨土石已經下來了第二個現在風太低對不對我們大家所關心的第一個人命關天第二個時間在賽跑這不能拖欸對我們大家所關心的都是一樣但是即使大家所關心的方向是一樣做法大家都非常的努力但是報告委員我們必須要依照法令上面所進行的程序去把它做完備 |
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不可能說跳脫法律允許的範圍我們這個超前去做這個部分在政府是不允許的你看不只居民 我想全國民眾等一下就會跟你反映了一個人命關天的事情一個公文旅行了 拖延了一個禮拜你要幫他講話而且現在是颱風的這個季節欸要快一點啦 要快一點啦現在是跟時間在賽跑 在搶救人命啦好 那 我跟你講不是只有這個案子 同樣在高雄啊 |
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還有一個在岐山區啊這個碼頭山的這個也是光電的開發你看這個碧安這麼多他這次是 這個山是多少啊55公頃一段說下去還這麼嚴重然後他還是一個兩條活動斷層跟泥岩地這個惡地之間這個如果一開發啊 |
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5189.549 |
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第一個 你看穿山甲 水鹿 豬鯉這些稀有動物的棲息可能都受到問題然後對那個地質衝擊也會非常大時間有限 我趕快 趕快 我們做四個結論第一個 |
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因為現在不要變成是踢皮球啦高雄市政府說很多責任都在中央的內政部經濟部跟農業部所以我請經濟部因為是你們核准的嘛第一個做一件事情把你當初核定的範圍土地的數量跟總面積還有你們中央的責任跟地方責任把它清清楚楚的一定好不好這個聞了到你那邊嘛對不對然後第二個 |
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山坡地的開發要更嚴格因為目前這個規範山坡地以前都沒有做環評山坡地是不是另外要受到限制要整體趕快來檢討 好不好另外這個案子一年光是營收可以賺大概4.2億結果目前為止高雄聖聖湖的財閥才財閥還罰了180萬能源署去罰了150萬要幫他頂五個 |
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這根本就沒有影響啊,對他來講4.2億欸,一年算4.2億欸你這個財閥太低了,所以我明確的要求 |
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因為他有可能被你們撤銷對不對然後他還規定喔你如果初期借滿之後這個土地還要復原欸那山已經被你產平了怎麼去復原這個東西要好好去追究好最後做一個要求因為現在看起來山坡地不是只有剛剛講這兩個案子嘛不然你能答應我嗎一個月內關於你的光電推動裡面如果有次山坡地能不能一個月提出一個整體的報告跟解決方案 |
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好 可以好 我定這位搶救人命啦真的要跟時間賽跑這不是等刀雄獅來 聞這麼慢來啦靠一下電話傳給鳳姐 好不好老實講如果最近發生颱風 |
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鬧出人秉外共 這個不是行政責任喔這個有刑事責任喔 好不好我們跟市長 加油我們跟高雄市政府啊 我們在上個禮拜就已經針對這個命題進入深度的這個研究了我們並沒有像你才講說 莫不關心啦這一點我必須要在這個地方說明一下 |
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有一些就是要法定規定啊人家高雄市政府都已經說我們將來可以來這個地方受一些修法請這個委員來幫忙啦謝謝委員現在趕快跟時間賽跑一個禮拜算太久了趕快 趕快我們既然有聯絡趕快加快速度 好不好民眾都在等跟時間賽跑搶救人命好 謝謝好 謝謝我們現在請鄭正前委員做詢答 |
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| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
謝謝主席 我想請一下經濟部郭智慧部長還有我們交通部林國賢長賜郭部長林市長郭部長好另外一個美國供給了伊朗的核設施 確實大家都非常的關心那我在想說確實也有很多委員都提到了就是對於這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
伊朗它封鎖了赫姆茲海峽之後會對整個台灣產生的影響那我在想說赫姆茲海峽大概全球大概四分之一到五分之一的石油跟天然氣都經過這邊那台灣進口的石油跟天然氣有多少是經過赫姆茲海峽 |
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| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
報告委員根據我們的統計大概20%的油會有一些影響25%的氣會有一些影響所以台灣進口25%的氣會產生影響那因為目前整個台灣的發電結構當中的時候超過五成都是天然氣發電那我們有沒有推演這個部分的時候大概會對台灣的電價壓力產生多大的一個壓力 |
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現在還沒有到五成是起OK 還沒有出來好 那因為你剛剛有特別提到說就中油這邊其實整個經濟部還有整個行政院體系對於整個原油價格從80塊到130塊都有去做一些模型的一個推演對不對那我想就針對這個部分的時候我們推演出來的數字當中的時候當原油價格在80塊的時候對我們的CPI大概會影響多少因為通膨確實是民眾每個都有感的 |
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到130塊的時候對我們的CPI大概會影響到多少他Range大概在什麼樣的部分可不可以請部長回應一下是喔 報告委員我想我們這一部分就是說為什麼行政院要針對這個面題可以高度的關注也就是說因為我們怕影響到整個物價指數所以我們這一部分裡面就會研擬出一些影響的變數當然我們在影響變數無法控制它價格一直往上走的時候 |
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變成中油要開始吸收這裡面的這個差額所以為什麼就像我們再回應一下過去為什麼我們有很多需要國營事業來穩定物價也就是說當我們碰到這項衝擊的事項的時候那麼政府都會考慮到整個的這個物價影響然後會要求我們中油或者要求我們台電要能夠吸收這一些因為漲價 |
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因為戰爭或者是大的這個變故所影響的這個價格所以這一部分其實是我們在討論在討論的時候就不是只有經濟部或者是中油公司或者台電公司他們自己提出來他只是把這個提出來的現象但是我想行政院他會綜合考量 |
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然後透過這個可能是福利相關的這個措施或者是其他的補助援助的這個方法來做整合的部長謝謝因為我讓你很長時間把這個部分把它說明完成所以我這邊本席認為說如果說對於整個原油價格暴漲的時候我們政府對於整個CPI的部分有沒有說政策性要把它控制在幾%以下 |
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報告委員我們這邊的這個數字是這樣子就是說對這個油價如果上漲10%那麼對CPR的影響是0.3那如果是電價來講的話那麼我們平均電價上漲1%那麼對CPR影響大概0.027% |
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我們這樣就比較容易去推論從80塊到130塊大概會影響多大謝部長很具體給這個一個答案出來接下來我想問一下交通部的林長賜針對我們今天的主題就是因應高齡化社會我國智慧公共運具發展跟目標這個部分我想特別請教一下交通部因為我們看到目前整個 |
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國道駕駛 國道運輸的駕駛的時候據說到十萬塊都還找不到人那為什麼會這樣子 江部這邊有沒有什麼因應的方式 |
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包委員確實目前大客車公車駕駛缺的很多了您這個資料有沒有錯我們目前像這個到10萬塊都還找不到所以可能公務局這邊就是加碼來補助各業者來徵才第二個當然也透過學校透過各種機構去看有沒有願意來接受駕訓的來源 |
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那又部長因為你這樣的回答基本上對於整個具體現場當中碰到的問題感覺好像沒有真正打到這個痛點因為我們目前整個職業駕照分成小型客車大貨車大客車還有連結車大概有四種的一個職業駕照那麼大客車這個部分的時候他們同時可以去開大貨車跟小型客貨車所以大客車為什麼找不到人是因為很多的大客車駕駛他們都去 |
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開了小型客貨車去開計程車所以目前出現的一個情況很特別就是國報 |
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的司機他們跑到市區因為市區的公車他們壓力比較小然後整個工作的一個環境也比較好對於國道的那個駕駛的情況的時候可是呢我們就碰到了另外一個問題就是像比方說計程車司機他們就很多人要去開他們希望說70歲還可以再把他往延後 |
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可是國道交通這邊就完全找不到司機這樣的一個情況但市區公車其實也找不到也找不到人那為什麼會有這樣的情況就是我不知道中部這邊有沒有做一個研究怎麼樣的一個情況導致這樣的事情發生那我們要怎麼樣去去因應 |
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包委員確實您的觀察也很明確目前的趨勢大概就是從國道客運往市區公車走那大客車往職業駕駛或者是小客車走主要原因就您剛提的主要的是工作時間的彈性跟壓力那各位看到最近的報導裡面尤其是市區公車或公路客運有時候駕駛會面臨交通阻塞乘客抱怨甚至有一些比較不理性乘客會直接 |
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那所以說針對這個部分就是本席也稍微去了解了一下其實就是說以目前來說為什麼國道駕駛就是這麼缺人的情況大概簡單三個一個跟吃飯有關一個跟上廁所有關一個跟整個職業傷害有關那這三點的部分的時候我不知道我們交通部有沒有跨部會去跟其他的部會來溝通要怎麼樣來解決這個問題 |
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報委員我是不是請供應司 林市長跟您報一下 |
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各位報告剛剛委員所提到這幾個課題大概確實是屬於這一個大客車駕駛一切相關日常環境所碰到的部分那這個部分的話交通部跟地方政府大概分幾個層面來做處理第一個部分就是這個路當然這個缺點就要這個加強帳目這個人員來做這個投入那第二個部分的話是希望做路線的這個優化那第三個一個部分的話大概就是場站還有相關這個駕駛工時排班的這個合理性 |
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謝謝 因為你這個回應當中大家都還算是一個整個政策確實也是要這樣去做可是因為我們今天是針對整個高齡化社會的那個公共運具的問題的時候所以我想請教一下我們經濟部部長 |
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因為剛剛提到這三個問題一個是就是吃飯的問題一個是提到了上廁所的一個問題第三個問題提到了一個他們職業傷害的問題那我們現在看到經濟部提出來的一個報告當中的時候大概都是提到我們要怎麼樣提高移運的效率那麼要強化行車安全跟優化電動巴士的能源管理等等的一些相關的問題可是沒有具體提到了這三個痛點 |
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所以我想請教一下部長針對這三個痛點我們在做這樣子新的一個高齡化的一個相關運具的時候有沒有怎麼樣的方式可以去做一個配合跟調整我們將回去以後呢來考慮這些使用者他們的情境然後再加以提出一個比較完整的這個措施 |
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OK部長你知道簡單回應可是沒有很具體我大概很簡單講到一個部分如果說是針對那個吃飯的問題的時候因為我們現在有些輔助駕駛的問題那如果在輔助駕駛因為通常會卡到吃飯都是因為塞車那我們如果有些輔助駕駛是不是同時可以配合一些相關的一個修法的時候在什麼樣的情況之下讓他們在塞車很長時間的時候也許可以同時吃飯 |
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這個是一個點輔助駕駛加上法規的一個鬆綁這個部分這個部分針對洗手間的部分的時候我們現在設計新的巴士的時候是不是有可能就是在新的巴士當中讓駕駛他們有一個自己的駕駛室那也許可以有一個簡便的一個便盆可以去因應或者是有一個比方說小型的一個洗手間讓所有 |
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這個高齡化的人他們也很需要洗手間這可以在設計的時候同時把規劃進來那麼第三個部分的時候就職業傷害的部分因為勞動部這邊他們就是也直接表示就是那個台北醫院他們也表示一個狀態他們有哪些的問題那麼我們也希望如果在同時在設計這樣的新型的一個載具當中的時候也同時能夠讓他們有比較好的一個環境比如說包括方向盤的一個重採油門的重 |
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還有座位的高等等的問題讓他們在整個職業傷害能夠降低也許能夠解決這個部分好不好謝謝委員吹詢這個部分我想我們把這個您所吹詢的這個部分納入我們一些考慮的部分 |
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最後一部分因為上禮拜的時候又發生了一個電動巴士失火的問題針對電動巴士失火這個問題的時候不知道經濟部這邊有沒有怎麼樣解決然後對於整個鋰電池的失火相關的問題的時候我們是不是會有更完整的SOP或者是有新的研發的一些滅火的一個素材能夠來因應這樣鋰電池失火的問題 |
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是謝謝委員指導我想這個部分因為現在起火的原因還在等這個國家運安會的調查那我想我們真正的了解這些鋰電池產生的這個花火那這個就可以針對只要是鋰電池產生的這個火源啊如何來對它有效的這個滅火這個部分我們都會考慮 |
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OK 那我們希望說因為鋰電池也是新興科技的狀態我們怎麼滅火能夠有一個新興的科技來去做一個因應我覺得也非常重要那麼也希望我們經濟部能夠就全球去了解這個部分然後能夠讓整個鋰電池失火的問題不要造成就是國人就是生命財產很重要的一個損失好不好是的 我想這個是很好的一個科技防治的一個方式啦這個在我們經濟部我們有一個DiPath計畫我想我們把它納入這樣的一個考慮OK 謝謝部長 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們現在請鄭天才委員做詢答 |
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好 主席我們請那個國發會副主委還有交通部次長詹副主委 林次長好 兩位好委員好今天的議題這個非常重要因高齡化社會這個是我們確實是一個非常高齡然後又是一個少子女化非常非常嚴重 |
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今天國發會的報告裡面特別提到整合公司資源提升偏鄉運輸生活體驗這個中間階段裡面 |
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例如交通部公務及以台東縣政府啟動TTGO花東溫馨接送EA媒體服務透過煤核機制整合在地巴士、計程車、租賃車及企業公益車輛等多元 |
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運具的支援補貼民眾車資提供點到點的接駁到載的服務這個政策很好重點是這個漏水的問題第一個這個部分已經那時候是為了因應地震之後然後提出的這樣的一個很好的一個方案但是現在已經已經調整了 |
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你自己的報告裡面解決目前台東地區的運輸需求缺口只有談到台東了本來是花東對不對花東溫馨接受所以這個部分 |
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這個現在只有台東偏鄉交通最後一里路了所以這個部分是一個資訊互相交通部跟國發會的資訊要互相的交通部的報告裡面提到這個 |
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公路總級以192個鄉鎮共493條路線包含62個偏鄉239條路線推動其中幸福巴士以通車共97個鄉鎮區 |
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共326條路線含53個偏鄉196條路線幸福小房已通車95個鄉鎮區共167條路線含9個偏鄉共43條路線全國偏鄉地區公路公共運輸涵蓋率達94.4%這個交通部啊 社長啊這個這樣的寫法啊 |
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這個好像這個績效非常非常的棒這樣子含概率達到94.4%真的是這樣嗎所以尤其是就偏鄉來講我們是偏鄉我們偏鄉的一看這個不是這樣嘛對不對如果我們光看你的那個幸福小黃含九個偏鄉就九個而已嘛 |
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对不对然后呢那个你的那个幸福巴士含53个偏乡我们偏乡还不止这些嘛然后偏乡这个也有很多不同的那个如果是以我们村与村之间部落与部落之间那根本就没有啊所以这个部分含概率达到94.4% |
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這個用詞還是要去注意了需要回應嗎 |
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基本上偏鄉的定義是根據內政部的定義我知道這個我知道我是老公務員知道沒關係您的意思就是說可能偏鄉一個區一條線靠過去也算一個所以我想我們還是以他的普及力來看就我們來說是一個非常不可思議的沒有啊哪裡有對不對 |
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會產生這樣的一個好我們就講這個幸福巴士27條路線當然這個是你們的努力包括縣政府我們共同的一起去推動都是要肯定的該肯定的我們要肯定好我們看這個幸福小黃幸福小黃的政策是應該積極加強的推動為什麼呢 |
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這個幸福巴士因為它畢竟它不是每個小時對不對所以反而是幸福小黃會更貼切人民的需要尤其是長者的需要尤其是這個非常弱勢的需要我們看這個花蓮縣幸福小黃你看最下面的查無資料 |
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對不對系統上查五十號我們確實是沒有啊好我們看這個台東縣幸福小房有啊部分呢成功延頻 |
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還差很遠最需要的偏鄉還是有差的一個很大很大的落差就舉這兩個例子所以這個部分我們要努力的地方還很多還是需要非常非常的要去加油當然經費就是一個問題經費所以國發會要支持 |
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對不對 你要整體的一個政策 經費的提供都是需要國發會來去預祝所以這個部分要繼續努力 好不好好 我們看這個時間的關係今天台鐵票價 今天開始漲價 |
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這個是對我們偏鄉整個花蓮縣台東縣而言這個偏鄉又是一個非常非常嚴重的一個問題所以今天開始漲價我們看這個 |
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交通部交通部所提出來的花東會員過票點數是透過會員我們今天的主題是什麼高齡者對不對高齡者就沒有會員啊沒有加入會員啊對不對高齡者我們今天的主題高齡會員都沒有啊 |
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對不對 如何去想得到這樣的一個會員的點數 沒有嘛所以這個部分就是一個要去處理的部分本事業曾經建議我們現在就UV很多都會去就學就業的 |
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你現在只有現在花蓮台東的戶籍在那邊的但是在花東就學就業的他要回去就沒有啊對不對然後呢他的戶籍不在花蓮台東但是在花蓮東華大學就學到台東大學就學的也沒有啊所以這個在花蓮台東工作的好不容易他希望到台東工作把人留下來結果也沒有 |
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所以涉及到还是经费国家会副主委还是涉及到还是经费请问一下次长你知道这个你现在的政策花工会员购票点数这个优惠 |
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經費從哪裡來包委員台鐵的部分我們這一部分有一部分是從TPAS這邊來另外有一些是花東對票收去回饋花東基金的部分好 這個是我上次不是只有UV都可以因為只要涉及在花東的都可以所以不是只有UV出生在花東你弄錯我的意思了 |
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現在你們的規定,現在的規定是第二個花蓮縣台東縣附集在那邊的,只有附集在那邊,現在你看你現在的是只有,也不是第二點的,就是你現在的只有附集在花蓮縣跟台東縣的才可以 |
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然後我的公文是要建議擴大要擴大的意思了是這個意思所以這個公文我的意思因為你的目前的做法就是只有針對戶籍跟戶籍在花蓮縣跟台東縣的我的意思是要擴大的意思而經費之前我也執行過國發會希望用花東基金因為 |
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你要交通部臨時找這些錢也很難啦然後也不應該有台鐵來吸收啦也不應該有它所以我才說用花東基金既然是要用花東基金 |
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那個交通部就不要擠限收負擠在花蓮跟台東的因為你以前的政策是什麼呢你的那個乘車的政策就是UV都算進氣啊所以這個部分是要請重點還是錢嘛還是經費謝謝這個 |
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這個國發會副主委一直點頭點頭就是同意對不對不要搖頭不要搖頭 |
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各位謝謝委員的指導您提到花東基金的部分因為這個可能還要跟花蓮跟台東縣政府他們都贊成據我們了解好像他們有一些意見所以這部分是不是花東基金的部分可能還要再跟他們討論這也先跟委員報告我非常清楚花東基金從我當立委那年開始的 |
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102年開始的所以有部分是屬於中央去調配的那個部分啊有沒有 有嘛中央調配的那個部分有地方政府負責的也有中央負責的那個部分 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝林益齡委員詢答結束後休息五分鐘 |
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我們接下來請謝依鳳委員質詢謝謝主席 我想要先請交通部林次長請交通部林次長次長 |
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早我想要知道目前交通部你演繹限制高齡長者上路但是然後希望他們可以轉成大眾運輸系統我也看到今天也看到交通部對於大眾運輸系統達成的補貼 |
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那但是我想要了解的是這對於雙北六都公共運輸系統非常便捷的地方我們有可能藉由交通搭乘交通運輸系統的補貼來轉移他們駕駛的需求但是六都以外呢像我們中南部 |
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我們對我們的公共運輸不發達的情況下你即便有大眾運輸系統的補貼也沒有辦法移轉啊你提到了我看到你相關的規劃你有幸福巴士幸福小黃等等但是有沒有辦法整個轉移他們的這樣子大眾運輸的需求有沒有辦法 |
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包委員我先跟您報告交通部推動的高齡駕照的管理並不是要限制高齡者的使用目前的作法當然是75歲以上他要再做認知跟體格的檢查確認他安全有認知能力沒有其他的問題避免造成他自己跟周邊行人的危害 |
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所以這一塊是要確認而已並不是限制他使用我知道我們沒有歧視的問題因為我們每一個人都會變老在座的每一位都有這個問題早晚而已我們也是在解決我們本身的問題沒有錯 而且每個人狀況不一樣所以要確認一下 |
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我是要了解的是當我們在解決這個問題的時候你們目前提出的方法有沒有辦法確實的解決我們這樣問題嘛那我看到了你們所謂的你們現在著重的就是補助大眾運輸的補貼但是你真正的政府要怎麼樣解決這個政策其實 |
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我們我其實為什麼會在經濟委員會召開這個問題就是你們現在政府要發展AI嘛你的AI要整體發展你一定要有辦法應用嘛是不是你能夠應用到智慧交通我那天問國發會主委啊我說智慧交通是不是你負責他說不是啊是那個國科會所以我今天才請國科會來啊國科會的書副主委你要不要 |
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來說明一下請國科院書部主委 |
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是 跟趙偉還有主席報告一下相關新AI十大建設的部分有關智慧生活圈裡面是有這一項但是我們現在在相關計畫裡面以大南方新矽谷為例主要是希望推動把建立建起來把相關的應用帶進來所以不管是在智慧交通 智慧餐飲甚至是智慧運輸以及整個的智慧照護的部分都可以來發展這個部分 |
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所以還是在試辦計畫嘛 是不是 還是在試辦計畫嘛那怎麼樣子可以大規模的推廣還有未來我們國家要推廣的方向是怎麼樣子的其實我剛才在聽所有委員的詢答的時候我就想到了啊 政府的政策有沒有定啊 |
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我們在解決我們長者用車需求的時候第一個我們有公共運輸系統 |
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我們有什麼未來現在在很多國家大家在推動的是不是要用自駕車的方式或者我們現在目前的交通部的法規有沒有辦法來讓我們的自駕車能夠馬上上路以及 |
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我那天去了找我們的車車中心我們看到了車車中心目前在發展的半自駕的公共運輸系統他就是讓 |
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運具上面有駕駛但是我們未來交通部有沒有辦法延長像這樣子智慧運具半自動駕駛的公共運輸系統我們駕駛的駕駛年限因為在配合智慧的這樣的輔助系統之後他們可不可以延長 |
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我們公共運輸系統駕駛的駕駛年限因為其實我們看到在駕駛的這個什麼在一些歐美國家的相關的就是自動駕駛的脫離率來講其實都已經達到了就是很高啊我看到是好像是多少公里我們那個我們次長你有沒有研究 |
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市長你有沒有研究?我有研究,你有沒有研究?報告委員不好意思,這一塊我沒有了解 |
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我看到了vamo vamo就是googlegoogle的那個他發展的那個那個計程車他的脫離率是兩萬七千八百七十公里代表了你駕駛了兩萬七千八百七十公里以後你才需要人的輔助那當你這樣的時候我們政府單位你有沒有去研究 |
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当我们导入相关的这样子的一个半自动的驾驶的时候能不能够延长公共运输系统驾驶的年限包委员您提的其实是重点提供智慧运输或自驾车本身好几个面向可以第一个就是刚刚我们其他委员有提到的 |
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這個人力不足然後它的操作過勞甚至有很多問題它沒有辦法依照它的駕駛過程譬如說PR駕駛這一類都可以透過自駕車透過智慧運輸的協助讓駕駛用更低的精力更少的注意力去完成它的任務所以它就可以撐更久的時間所以目前像很多國家有的駕駛已經延長到68我們計程車也可以延長所以這一類的議題 |
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都是可以降低驾驶者的需求跟他的劳动力的压力那第二个呢也可以提高他的政治能力降低对路面行人的危害以及对危险驾驶的避让所以这一块我们认为一定ADAS或者是自驾车的导入能够更快导入公共运输一定可以提供更好的这个服务能量 |
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所以你也認為說那你們到底政府的政策有沒有我們現在的任務就是全力用計畫來協助這個沙盒實驗沙盒實驗裡面讓這些業者在裡面排除既有法規的限制把他的能力發揮出來然後我們根據沙盒實驗的結果回饋到我們的修法過程所以現在我們已經委託車安中心BSCC就沙盒實驗的過程有哪些議題 |
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納入我們法規的調和跟修正所以這是同步在作業所以一旦車子能夠做得越快越好我們就可以馬上修正法規來調整好那其實上次我們在淘機也已經試過讓公園園的9人8完全用50公里的時速自動駕駛然後自動做merging就是匯流跟分流 |
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所以目前九人巴士已經有這樣的能力已經實驗完成那只是說它要落地的過程它的車子要能夠量產商業化符合既有法規所以這些過程我們還要再處理那這個部分你們進行了如何我剛跟您報告大概兩年多前已經有工研院的這個自駕九人巴已經上路了那目前大客車的部分還在研發試驗中尤其是我們有個計畫在淡水淡海新市鎮 |
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那這一類的成熟度越高我們就能夠導入那如果像我們我們彰化呢我們彰化市呢我們彰化市也是一個就是小型的一個繁華的一個城市嘛那對於公共運輸的這個那能不能做因為你們都是在空曠的地區嘛我們一定要考驗其實我那天去車車中心郭部長是不是請你 |
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也順便說一下你們到底目前國家發展的方向是什麼嗎你們一定要給業者給民眾有一個確切的發展方向嗎到底是不是是公共運輸系統還是無人就是自駕車的系統這要給所有的業者以及民眾有一個遵循的方向也可以解決我們所有人的需求問題啊 |
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所以因为这样子所以才会利用沙盒的计划来推动我想这个是牵扯到很多的部门我想基于安全基于整个社会的安全我想我们是第一个考虑所以需要一点时间请委员能够了解 |
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法規法令啊是不是交通部的法規法令要怎麼共同的合作啊對這個就是需要去等到這個計畫實驗成功以後啊那麼再來這個討論這個法規法令 |
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我們現在是要解決這整體的需要這是不管是我們現在或者是未來這是非常重要的需求因為畢竟我們社會就是邁向這樣子的一個社會的趨勢那因為這個整個計畫還沒有完成之前就修法可能會比較危險一點那什麼時候計畫可以完成什麼時候計畫可以完成 |
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什麼時候可以計劃完成?董委員說明一下齁那目前我們有大概有18個自駕案在薩爾試驗那目前比較成功最成功的就是在台積電廠區他在14廠跟18廠之間去做這個人員的運輸啦齁他累計了大概5萬多公里啦齁那所以這個是一個所以 |
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那我們跟交通部配合是在這樣的數據的收集過程中那交通部也應用在這個時間內也在法規上也訂定的這個指引那所以因為這個是針對安全的部分那我們會慢慢的推進郭部長你回答交通部是不是太落後 |
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也沒有啦 交通部是不是太落後我們那個林市長你回答我們這個交通部長坐我旁邊的啦會不會太落後 有沒有跟上科技的腳步我們說要發展AI 你如果AI的應用都沒有發展的情況下怎麼樣子提高AI的需求 |
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我想我們還是基於安全安全第一啦我當然就要安全第一然後這個成功以後才可以來修法在沒有成功之前我想我們還是要盡量把這個這個安全的這個因素考慮進來以後然後快速的讓它能夠成功這樣 |
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對我當然認為安全一定是唯一的就是最重要的事情也因為我們現在可以用AI以後就會速度比較快一點對但是我們要提高AI的需求的時候我們就要相對的要發展AI的應用那我們在發展AI的應用的時候是不是應該對於我們現在目前切身需要解決的問題你們加速進行是不是我們會加速進行好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 我們現在請呂玉玲做詢答謝謝主席 請國發會的詹副主委 |
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主委我們現在台灣已經正式邁入了高齡的社會因為是少子跟高齡化所以我們人口的結構變成越來越老化所以導致於我們的勞動力的不足所以現在我們在上個禮拜的話我們是排國外人才所以我們放寬了他的居住吸引他來流到台灣來工作這個禮拜我們特別排了 |
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這個部分的話就是要關心著我們國內人才的流失尤其是我們看到我們2023年台灣到海外工作的大概有62萬人在疫情之前的話大概2019年的話有73萬到74萬人都在跑到國外去工作在這種情形之下的話我們看到我們瑞士 |
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洛杉磯管理學院有做一個統計在2024年這個IDM的世界人才排名裡面在全球裡面有67個國家台灣的話排名18日本的話排名43所以說這台灣還是有一定的那個競爭力可以把他攬柴那又再根據勞動部跟日本這個總務省的統計截止到今年2025年的5月份的話在 |
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台灣人到日本工作了大概有五萬人日本人到台灣工作了有八千五百人所以副主委你看到這種情形台灣在世界排名這麼高高於日本但是我們的台灣人卻到日本工作的人數這麼多你有什麼因應的這些做法呢 |
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謝謝委員我想這個一方面可能也是因為我們企業在全球佈局的關係不過當然我們是很希望我們人才的部分當然還是希望為台灣所用無論是自己的本國人或是外國人所以塑造一個良好的這個環境是我們現在最重要的一個目的這種現象你們如何因應呢 |
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所以我想我們剛剛提到我們上禮拜排這個外國人才修法的這個報告其實就是要把我們吸引外國專業人才來台灣的環境收拾得更好所以這是國內的人才的部分其實我們也從幾個面向來處理譬如說有關AI這些人才的需求那我們透過擴展國內的教育STEM人才的培育 |
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重點的領域學校 領域人才在國內 你在講國外沒有沒有 我現在提到的是國內的AI人才的部分那我們也會加強的培育讓他們在國內有良好的這個可以發揮的這樣子的一個環境所以你要積極把人才 國內人才要留住啦不要一直在吸引外國人才 忽略了我們國內的人才好不好那還有根據我們看到 現在都是高齡化要重返職場嘛 |
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因為我們那個勞動力的缺乏所以你們有舉辦一個這個中高齡及高齡者及高齡就業的促進法所以讓我們高齡者可以 |
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回到職場上工作但是你看到在我們的該法規的34條裡面他大概都提到說是臨時性的短期性的跟季節性或者分部分的工時這樣子的情形上會衍生的就讓很多人印象中認為高齡者大概都是兼職的很臨時性的甚至在我們職場上看到你們有點霸凌的就對年齡的歧視的問題這點你要怎麼樣去解決呢 |
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謝謝委員我想我們在推動中高齡對於我們的未來的勞動力其實非常非常重要所以我想應該不會只僅限於上面提到的臨時性可是目前大概都是兼職的臨時性 季節性的所以你要趕快的橫向溝通像勞動部的話你如果去跟他協調溝通 |
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這種產生出來的矛盾性其實我了解勞動部他有針對企業來加強有關於中高齡如果回企業就業的時候甚至二度就業的時候在很多工作上或者是環境上要怎麼提供他們一個比較好的方式讓他們可以發揮所長那這點勞動部他已經在跟很多企業在推動這方面的做法 |
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是 所以因為你們鼓勵他們能夠重返職場去就業但是職場上給他們就有產生的這種兼職啦或年齡的這個歧視這個等等問題這個你要去解決好不好那才可以鼓勵他們的才能才能繼續在我們的職場上貢獻好不好好那接下來就是要請教謝謝你我們先來請交通部的林次長林次長 |
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謝謝 |
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市長 今天大家都有談到這高齡駕車的這個風險性那尤其是交通部也規定了在這個執照上已經下降 從75歲下降到70歲那未來都對 除了體格的檢驗以外檢查以外 還會針對以危險的感知跟交通安全的這個教育在這方面的話 我們看到現在目前來講的話我們要讓高齡者 |
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你的鼓勵高齡者要繳回這個駕照所以你每邊的預算要來補助像通勤的月票但是不是每個地方都像都會地區大車非常方便那偏遠地區的話他們就不方便所以這個不是全面性要這樣做雖然是鼓勵啦但是我們還可以一個方面就是說看如果去避開這個降低這個高年齡的這個 |
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開車的造勢這個風險譬如說我們看到日本日本有一個方案就是說加裝防霧彩油門的這個系統我們是不是可以比照日本來做這個因應的措施包園這個案子我們部內跟工作局大概在這幾個月內會去討論討論多久我們可以借盡日本的方式最有安全的做法也不 |
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跟委員報告一下 確實就是委員所提到在日本就是有這種防物材油門的部分 它是做外加的部分所以目前我們也在針對目前我們在針對日本這樣子的一個系統來做這個 |
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所以好好的去研究我們三個月會完成分析這個方案如果可行的話趕快推行好不好是 我們三個月完成分析還有接下來就是說我們看到我們交通部的統計的資料最近這十年的交通事故的占比來講的話18歲到24歲是比較年輕的人但是最主要的還是成年人在25到64歲是比較多所以我們看到一個考到駕照是18歲來講的話 |
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他到換照75歲這中間有57年的時間這57年時間我們要如何去讓他重新受訓讓他的技術更加的純熟在這個部分的話我們不能等到發生交通事故你再來亡羊補牢叫他來的時候上個道安課程所以我們可以未以籌募了什麼方式來處理呢 |
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高委員我麻煩供應司跟委員報告目前大概就是18歲考慮你駕駛執照之後以目前的一個規定的話到這個75歲要做換照那剛剛委員也有關切到57年時間你們都沒有做一些防範措施然後在中間的過程當中在中間的過程當中就透過這個祭典還有違規的這些相關的那個就是像大安課程對對對這個大安獎 |
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這個這樣講法的話我本席是不能接受的啦我們看到國際上很多的其他的國家都有回訊的方式 |
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所以現在有了駕照之後的話聽了很久沒有開車然後隔了五年十年開車之後他的技術可不可以忘記了或者重新檢驗了他的訓練這個可以考量的所以這個部分的話你看日本也有啊 韓國也有啊部長提出那個駕照管理三策略那其中第二項就是要建立這個那個迴訊的制度來這個提高所以你沒有準備要做迴訊紀錄你連迴訊一次 |
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這個部分的話我們針對高風險會來建立這個火線的一個這個制度本席提醒你不要完全針對高風險特別有提醒你到25到65歲最是交通事故是最高的所以你真的從不把它針對高風險是不對的我現在有舉例告訴你有些人好多家都沒有開車停了很久在這個部分的話我們就是也要來考慮說有回訊的資質不能完全針對高風險高年齡的人 |
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根據委員報告不是針對高年齡的部分其實這個回訊制度我們回訊制度的部分其實就是針對剛剛委員所關切的24到64歲之間這些相關就是說我們講的不偏屬於高齡駕駛者所以你問回訊嘛對 我們現在在研議這個這個三個月我們會完成這個研議好 這些都是我們防範未來的一些措施 |
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讓我們交通事故降低這才是我們大家最關心的好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝韋恩好 謝謝那我們現在休息七分鐘 |
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谢谢观看 |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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好 開始開會我們現在請邱志偉委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席我是不是請經濟部國部長國部長然後還有國科會國科會書副主委部長辛苦了昨天我大家看了一下這個CNN跟BBC對這個美國針對這個伊朗核設施他的這個空襲當然這個 |
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我經常特別注意伊朗的這個議會已經通過可能要對赫姆斯海峽進行封鎖那可能要經過安全會議假如一旦封鎖那我們的這個天然氣來源國應該是以澳洲第一澳洲差不多剎夏娃 |
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再來應該是卡達 再來美國 再來巴布尼亞 紐西雷亞差不多是這樣 如果我們一說數字所以卡達差不多要降三下 兩下 七左右那河北市海峽如果一封鎖 |
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對我們天然氣的接收、供應會造成影響嗎?當然是會有影響啦現在我們就是有在前一星期就開始針對這些情形來做一些形容那這些情境的分析我們可能就是可能會在現貨市場裡面去取得一些協助啦 |
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那雖然現在是已經方法有很多啦那可能抱歉在這個地方我不便跟這個對 因為它是這個最近的供應國啦比如說你澳洲 巴布亞 紐西蘭 再來美國美國未來它的佔比現在是10%左右美國未來會不會提升天然氣採購的佔比 |
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當然未來美國應該是會我們調高天然氣購買來源的一個非常重要的一個關鍵 |
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所以在目前的這個狀況之下我們估計會目前是百分之十左右未來對美國天然氣的比例比重大概會到什麼樣的一個規模我們大概我們希望說能夠到達這個穩定的狀況這個很抽象穩定的狀況對就是穩定因為這個其實跟委員報告這種東西都是動態的 |
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這個市場裡面一定是狀態他新聞來看 新聞來看應該是中東比較雙是不是這樣他新聞來看 美俄洲比巴布尼亞比美國這新聞來看應該是中東比較雙所以我們這樣卡他才會這樣我們三峽左右所以我要提這個經濟部如果說一旦荷姆斯被封鎖讓三峽位卡他出來這個天然氣供應你們可能要做有一些因應的方案 |
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我們都有這個因應的方案所以不會造成天然氣供應因為這個赫姆斯海峽封鎖而造成影響會有一些影響啦但是我們 我想 我知道這個委員的關注的部分我們有交代 交期不能夠影響 |
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所以我們可以調整,譬如說他要去給別人的生活欄,這都可以調整他要給別人的生活欄也是他要為他的卡拉出來 |
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我們當然可以尋求對澳洲或對美國增加經濟衛生來支援 |
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我是說確定要供應不會造成說我們天然氣供應的不足或者造成因為這可能會是一個長期的效應不知道說它的豐收多久可是它自己豐收一年我們半月三十天把它卡出來沒辦法出來這影響很大喔我們這也是有半個半年啦 |
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只要經濟部我相信經濟部有相關的因應方案那現在永安天然氣LNG廠現在當然天然氣進來你要擴大天然氣儲存量要建儲槽我希望這個部分可能終於要去跟這個地方多做溝通我想這個地方上在永安是反對聲音還蠻大的我覺得要多做溝通 |
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至於說前幾天在永安的說明會我覺得地方上是一致性的強烈反對 |
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我們都可以了解這個國人的這些擔心但是我們會在就像委員講的這個我們希望能夠多溝通讓國人都知道這個天然氣它的排碳是現在的這個要接一個除潮就是安全性的一定要地方有共識要當地的這個市民支持 |
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否則我作為當地的民意代表作為立法委員我覺得我電視台好讓地方聲音那他們來跟我申請他們說明說目前出朝還是有安全之餘但是你要多做溝通所以多做溝通如果你們取得當地我們市民的同意我當然是無條件支持所以謝謝委員支持 |
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因為過去啊 這個除潮是在地下啦這過程我都知道啦 地下跟地上差異在哪裡 安全係數有沒有多少變化可能要多做幾次溝通啦那另外就是說 為什麼要請蘇政剛 蘇副主委白布產業園區是過去我跟經濟部爭取作為傳統產業園區嘛 |
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現在市政府當然很積極希望說把北高雄這個橋頭跟岡山變成一個宜居然後高科技然後健康的一個城市所以北高雄外山坑外橋頭外到岡山是未來我有一個夢想要把它打造成高雄市的這個岡橋副都心 |
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副都市你要完善的入網你要完善的這個醫療設施你要有這個環境也很好然後這個宜居然後交通又方便然後另外就有產業產業就是高科技嘛產業進駐就會有機會所以白布產業園區我們希望說能夠爭取到這個TSMC啊能夠在考慮在這地方設廠這個有硫化物的問題嗎 |
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我想個別廠商的設廠他有針對製程的條件不一他會關心很多種不同的相關的周邊的條件那剛剛邱委員所提示的其實非常正確也就是說相關的產業運輸在開發的時候我們在串聯整個南台灣的產業狼帶的時候會考量到九大配套措施包含生活機能、交通這個都會一起來放一起來納入考量 |
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TSMC社長有他的專業考量有他們公司的這個相關的專業判斷但是地方政府的支持地方政府的這個這個協助也很重要但是中央也要協助地方政府啦齁所以地方政府常常要合作來跟台積電說明這是一個好的地方啦我是說我每天在那齁 |
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這對我國家好事好事應該是很好的一個所在我是拜託國客會跟經濟部可以再去TSMC跟Eco去考量去說明這是一個他們選項之一我認為一定要放在那選項之一啦如果有國客會跟這個經濟部推薦他們會覺得會有更多的意願所以今天我們要拜託國務部長跟書副主委 |
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另外交通部的部分今天林市長高齡者開車駕車安全性是所有高齡者必須去重視的問題但你不要忽略一個問題的重點在哪裡問題本是說都會區跟非都會區年長者 |
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使用運具的這個習慣是不一樣因為供給會產生他們的這個使用習慣好 都會區它有很多選項班次密集 有捷運 有公車入網 對不對它不需要騎摩托車 它不需要自己開車它可以很便利 很方便 很安全到哪一場去的地方但是非都會區 比方說高雄市北邊它雖然有捷運 但是只有一條 |
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很多區域都需要自己開車或騎摩托車所以你要考慮到這個區域的差別對這些年長者他們使用硬具的需求跟標準以及協助你要有不同的思維你不要疑似同仁是委員講的是重點確實如此你要針對非度位區這些長者他沒有其他的選擇他一定要開車他一定要騎摩托車 |
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沒有開設 現在他們子女可能在出外上班沒有辦法在家裡他必須靠自己 |
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就這種情況之下 他沒有公共交通運輸可以選擇的時候 怎麼辦呢是 委員您講的是重點如果沒有公共運輸 他勢必要自行開車或家人接送那自行開車的過程 我們這個制度並不是不讓他開車我們是要他在75歲或是沒幾年去問一下他是不是我理解這種需求會對非都會區的長者會更為需求 需求強度會更強確實 |
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所以你跟他們有更多的這個政策上的協助配套的措施讓他們可以安心的開車這部分我想這個應該是行政部門跟交通部要去做一個完整的規劃我想把這個問題點出來讓這個交通部門能夠理解最後這個幾個計劃都是交通平權交通平權就是縣市的平權然後都會區跟非都會區也要平權 |
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這個建設都是北高雄為公共運輸能夠強化 讓這些長者不用自己開車騎車所以現在五省 省省差不多5.09億 現在還在報告交通部在誰我希望交通部能夠全力支持 |
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這個清單我都把你列出來的有 委員我想這個我們我們部門跟公路局會你們再跟高雄市政府交通局再做溝通好不好了解這些都是針對非都會區怎麼樣去改善這個交通平權怎麼樣讓這個非都會區的長者能夠安全的這個駕駛是 每個地方有特定的議題啦好 謝謝各位好 謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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9301.252 |
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我们现在请陈超明委员做询答首先有请经济部长部长部长好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
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剛剛聽到邱志偉委員講,永安的油草非常重要,要加強的維護這點我承認,邱志偉委員確實高瞻人世但是我保證說一件事,你永安的油草在施送的時候,直到我苗栗的通宵經過地下電纜,再施送到北部 |
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所以這個地方也要好好的溝通協調一樣你不要以為永安的重要苗栗的不重要從那邊一炸的話就完蛋了你也要好好的協調溝通我先跟你提醒一下是謝謝委員只有謝謝喔你回答他那麼多回答我那麼少謝謝兩句話 |
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是代表關西南西要真的注意這個問題是是,我12萬分的感謝我還沒12萬分的感謝,官話就是這麼講我還是要叫你了解確實的地方在反應我給你曉得說,大概我們天南區它的陰濕路線中途站苗栗的通宵非常重要在這邊請你特別關心一下是,謝謝委員 |
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9370.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
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那今天我們教會特別安排這個因應高齡化社會我國之會公共印記的發展其目標問題正在我們想推動的非常困難老人騎摩托車還是自己開車你說公共的設施、運輸、巴士現在做的人很少這個推展起來我看起來會比較困難 |
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| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9417.354 |
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那我們召委非常關心高齡化社會老人開車的問題而且最近的新聞非常的熱門我也40年次了我也被記者問到說陳委員陳委員那你開車會不會有問題我說就沒有問題問我開車的問題每一個狀況不一樣但是這裡面已經產生了一個社會安全的問題 |
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這裡面也變成歧視高齡化駕駛車的問題那我們召委非常的關心非常注重這個議題在上上個禮拜特別安排去車輛車市中心我想奇怪這個中心很少過去我從苗栗開車到彰化去參加我在那邊也學習了很多的知識也增長了很多原來車子是這樣發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9455.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9481.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
那今天講到高齡化的社會台灣65歲以上人口比例已經超過20那我們要保障像我們這樣包括你也一樣不曉得你的年齡我的年齡誰比較大看起來你是比我年輕多了你看起來像我弟弟一樣是 我是你弟弟不是不是 我說是比例講到年輕你就笑起來了真的很年輕但是我們都會遇到高齡化開車的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
那我到車輛測試中心的時候我們把這個問題拿出來他也指點了我們幾個方向所以這邊我要請我們產業技術師的郭師長還有產業發展史我們的邱師長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9510.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
還有我們國家發展委員會的戰務組委還有交通部的林常務處長還有運輸研究所的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9536.559 |
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那個王副所長,還有各位的書副之長,給你們這整個大頭出來,我要給你們講一個概念。在那裡面他們提到了,日本老人開車暴衝,或是說物彩煞車的機率降得非常低。我說日本人覺得是這麼厲害。 |
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9559.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
他們說有開始日本的世界上老人開車駕駛造勢的比例最好我想說日本我們台灣科技AI又要向我們台積電學習怎麼比我們台灣還厲害我就調查了一個資料這個資料我唸給部長你們在各位這是對老人一種保障跟開 |
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9560.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9566.027 |
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他說跟日本警察廳的司機,2023年75歲以上駕駛人,涉及60%油門物產致死的車禍裡面,日本發展一個新科技,防止這種操作的 |
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9582.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
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十五,要有兩項,這堆公家單位跟民間的企業真的要配合配合起來,你是一本通,部長你去一本要去調查,說他們安裝什麼,我告訴你這有哪是幾項,大行令,真的是大聲,車輛那麼多他說關鍵的行動是在公司部門合力推廣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9634.581 |
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輔助車也就是要配配先進的安全功能包括自動駕駛的車輛以這個分成兩種一種配配就是碰撞緩解煞車的一種系統車輛這一部分我不知道要怎麼說你要這個資料我給你我相信你一本通應該很了解而且你還有企業的經驗你如果有電子方面的經驗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9661.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
他說這種姿勢是由日本封建的要用台灣,不然說封建Toyota你就說要用日本來我們要自己創造,自己創新自主的一種科技出來我先這樣說使用毫米多雷達偵測前方的車輛和行人如果看來即將發生碰撞系統會發出警告來提醒駕駛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9690.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
如果車輛太高進系統會自動煞車來防止減輕碰撞的影響日本規定2021年11月所有他們日本國產車輛一定要必備的一個配備第二種就是油門物彩加速抑制的系統它叫做ACPE英文那麼長我就不好意思練了 |
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9692.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9712.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
由汽車製造商叫電手私事會社與豐田合作開發這個系統就是用感測監控車輛四周的環境如果駕駛人在霧體附近霧彩油門的時候一搭位一看就說那頭前有人他自動會踢了 |
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9714.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9724.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
這兩套系統我今天為什麼要特別提出來也感謝我們召委謝宇峰委員去的時候我們都在討論這個問題因為當初有發生我們最近部長說我今天怎麼把你們這裡大方叫來 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
9729.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9757.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
第一個國安會如果這個有專案的預算國安會不要亂踩部長你要指導我這樣說你知道嗎這台隊你有兩個單位啊就是產業技術師他那天你們的新任的郭市長能力很優秀那天我們去參觀了所以我點出來你那邊有在場看你有夠啦沒夠啦看要獨立創新台灣電子的系統整合之後跟產業發展師 |
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9759.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9788.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
所以啊你以前在技師是兩個現在這樣呼調我希望你們真的研究一套比日本更傑出更好的一個系統過來國科會你要參加我為什麼把這幾個單位掉了你不可以去做那些說那些五四三的因為我們部長說AI邊緣運算這個裡面以後都會採取這樣的東西在做所以我們要組織團隊做出一種規格世界每一個 |
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9790.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9805.12 |
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車輛公司都要來使用我一直啊交通部為什麼全然研究所那個醫師研究所為什麼你們都要參加回來不要單獨來因為各種狀況的模擬不一樣所以我一天出來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
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我去參觀了以後我覺得長了知識原來有這套的設計力我們如果你經濟部領導之下好好組織一個團隊來這種老人輔助的工具讓車子老人再開更安全我就想說這一點沒有說要坐車到滿天市老人不能開車年輕人的肇事率那麼多你就給他開車只是我們要用科技的方法 |
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由於台灣在AI裡面會算一個領先者我今天拜託全能過來組織一個團隊專門研究這樣世界上藝人的汽車有多少那個才是真正能幫助老人解決開車的問題又能稱讚我們產業的價值保證你看賣嘛你會不會這樣來做?完全照委員的意思 |
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我趕快組成這樣的一個專案這樣的小組馬上來執行因為這個跟安全有生命關係的部分都是我們努力的部分我感覺這個一定要做而且這個市場非常的大值得我們來推動值得你們推廣做出一個超越世界讓人家說台灣不但電視厲害現在還能發展到無人駕駛裡面這才重要 |
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謝謝委員的提示這個對我們來講非常大的鼓勵啦我們會努力來做因為我覺得這個產業很大阿對於高齡的老人確實要照顧安全很多阿我們常常去公共阿預算不要亂載這條我會特別聽你們副委員通過做是最好的因為我的年齡以後開車子也要靠這個來幫忙啦我們要想到未來不要想到目前而已阿 |
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我們現在請蘇清泉委員做詢答蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在我們現在請賴瑞榮委員做詢答我先請一下郭部長然後再請林次長 |
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我先請教一個問題其實大立埔遷村這個也謝謝部長也很積極在做推動那但是當地的鄉親們也很關心因為從2018年到現在其實也拖了這個相當長的時間了七年了那我只想問一下現在目前的初步規劃是2027年實質啟動遷村是這樣的方向嗎 |
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因為我上個禮拜也有去跟陳市長來討論這個問題上個禮拜我有去那我們是盡量能夠越快越好所以啟動千春到底是怎麼樣因為我們先讓有意願的 |
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所以當時有講到年底今年我們就先讓他有意願的先來登記今年年底前會啟動登記嘛對不對今年年底啟動登記然後那如果照這樣的目標因為全部都在走了那如果照這樣的目標2027年來啟動實質遷村我們要越快越好希望再更提前 |
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但是我還是希望這個時間那今年年底來登記這樣完成然後另外2027 但更早更好了因為我相信等很久了包括他們也一直在到底房屋要不要修繕這也要跟市政府在旁邊這兩邊來合作這樣我是有拜託市長完全支持對 |
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因為部長是主辦單位啦你主要是你經濟部是主辦的單位啦但市府是受你委託的單位所以可能主辦單位的這個再多催 多加把勁啦好不好讓整件事情快一點因為鄉親真的等很久了而且坦白講這也是當時從蔡總統到賴總統到陳市長 |
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到歷任的部長我們的共同承諾啦那鄉親們也相信我們的承諾那也希望盡快啦給他們能夠搬遷到更適合的地點好不好好那就照這樣的目標好謝謝部長謝謝那我問一下林次長好不好交通部林次長林次長好部長請回座啦謝謝 |
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市長先請教今天其實很多的關心到這個問題我先請教一下電動公車這前一陣子才剛發生的台北市的電動公車起火那運安會認為這是一個重大事故令到調查目前調查的結果是怎樣 |
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報告委員還在調查中還沒有具體的那在還沒有調查中的時候會不會影響到其他的電動公車的整體的運作報告部長報告委員我們當天應該市政府已經把該路線20條同行車都停止運作然後做全面檢查那另外市府裡面有800多輛也全面一併檢查目前好像有一輛有狀況的樣子 |
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所以其他還是繼續全國的都要檢查那其他的還是繼續在行駛當中其他不是這一型車的繼續運作但是因為有這樣的事件所以應該各家公司都會注意到它的這個電池系統有沒有異常 |
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所以這一家業者的狀況因為我看了一下這一家製造商五年內有發生三次自燃的事件那顯然所以這一家的廠商的會特別去比較高度的去因為畢竟如果又再次發生的話這個坦白講這也蠻危險的有這樣的狀況就要釐清它到底是因為製造的問題還是維護保養的問題預定什麼時候這個調查報告會出來 |
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包委員他還沒公佈時間 運安會還沒有公佈運安會沒有公佈 那預定多久 次長你認為像這樣的要多久要查出他的事實狀況 |
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可能因為差異蠻大的因為您像航空它通常要一年那海運軌道就不一定那公路的話它目前還沒有沒有一個很不過這個也要加快啦因為如果你沒有辦法這個查明它的真相為什麼自然的真相的話大家都會擔憂嘛我們基本上就是同步啦一方面調查原因因為每個個案有它的形成原因 |
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那第二個其他同行車跟電動車要注意的是電池的管理跟維護保養充電的過程我知道但是如果連調查這樣的事故要很長的時間的話這個市長這個交通部算是整個您也算是第三把交椅了那這個是一個很重要的 |
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這應該給一個時間出來吧好 我們跟運安會來詢問一下市長 多久能夠出來抱歉 我沒有辦法替運安會回應盡快啦 好不好我覺得這些事情不能拖因為這會影響到人民的安全跟信心如果只是單一的廠商的單一的某個零件上出了問題那我們找到 我們當然可以盡快做出如果不是之間而已的話那恐怕會造成大家更大的擔憂這個我覺得要盡快 |
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那現在搭這些電動公車的人的話如果我們還沒辦法查明的話那其實是是有風險的是有風險的所以我覺得還是要盡快來查明現有的幾個江山部有補助的大概五家有六款車型包括幾個國內的一些業者那當然剛才提到我希望 |
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儘快去查明 如果是單一業者本身的設備有些問題那當然這一個業者部分要求要去改善那同時以人命安全為最優先要去暫時先去停止暫時要改善完畢才能夠使用那如果其他的也都有類似的問題的話那恐怕要整體做一些處理沒錯 確實如此我相信這幾家廠商看到這案例應該也會回頭看他們的系統有沒有相類似的問題 |
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第二個在營運過程中發生的事件跟電池管理的問題可能都要回饋到設計跟製造商去調整 |
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對 交通政策這個人命是最關鍵的如果你連公車上如果沒辦法給大家確保安全的話那這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦更何況公車裡面很多可能都是相對都是一些比較老人小孩甚至弱勢者去使用的機率更高那更風險更是高所以我這一塊是請次長要加速要求今天我沒有逼你一定時間出來但是一定要快啦 好不好 |
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人命的安全優先 如果再發生這樣的狀況 甚至造成人命的傷亡的話這恐怕是大家都承擔不起的那我接下來想要問的是 那到底我們現在所要挑戰的這些的電動巴士的 我們做好的準備現在目前預定在2030年要完成全面的電動化 這個看起來是沒辦法順利完成了嗎 |
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鮑委員我們希望它後面越來越快啦那去年2024我們有達標今年需要再努力那照這樣的目標還是沒有改變嗎就是2030年完成目標還是一樣我們希望一萬一千台左右要全面電動我個人其實是支持這樣政策的因為就電動的話一方面我們當然希望對於這個運具能夠透過運具的減少 |
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減少空污的影響 同時間也能夠 這個我是支持 特別是在空污嚴重地域 像我的選區高雄 我就非常支持 應該要加速推動我都希望當我們的這個製造業必須要因為生產而可能要產生一些 |
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碳排甚至產生一些污染的同時的時候那至少在我們的大眾運輸在我們的運具上多盡量減少用碳排的如果能夠公車也用電動公車機車也用電動機車汽車也用我認為都是歡迎因為它只要稍微降一點點這個量的話都有機會讓我們的空污改善也許那個安全值就在那個接近了謝偉這也是為什麼我們報院也同意了為了大概用640億左右 |
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所以後續上還是希望還是希望次長跟部裡面加速推動啦特別是在這些的本身製造業工業城市空污嚴重地區要加速來推動因為往往它每降一些移動污染源降一些其實對於整個空氣的整體的品質就也許就是那關鍵點 |
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紅害變成這個橘景就好很多橘景變成黃色就好很多我認為那個都好很多但是如果在本身空污相對良好的空氣相對良好的地方的話這個當然是很好的指標但是那個效益性就更不一樣了好不好這個還是希望我們會跟高雄市政府積極來合作 |
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所以照這樣來看的話這會全面來推動整個順利在還是要趕2030年完成這樣的目標這個目標不變那因為實際到了我最後也提一個其實像韓國的首尾已經把他的無人巴士也已經納入到營運了除了智慧化電動化以外另外無人的部分我也希望包括我們的經濟部包括我們的這個交通部包括國巴會無人載具大概都是現在未來的一個趨勢包括智慧化的這些的那 |
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我還是希望像過去以來曾經旗津交通部下也有觀光署旗津過去我們講過很多的無人載具無碳島的想法我也希望未來旗津很簡單就是一個長條狀的所以它在海岸邊很有機會順利的能夠推動比如說我們用一個無人車的一個試辦的一個計畫 |
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那很漂亮 你坐了渡輪到那邊之後 你可以坐上那個無人車也許從旗津走到中州再回到這邊那也會看到一面過去就是非常漂亮的海景就有點像賴富連海這樣子 或者像其他的所有的一些港灣港口城市一樣它非常漂亮的一些港景 同時間又能夠滴炭 |
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同時又能夠用智慧化而且它又不會跟人行或者跟車輛尤其有交錯我希望這個包括交通部包括國發會這個整體思考一下來齊心來推動這樣的計畫好不好請部長可不可以評估看看是 謝謝委員那個基本上我們電動車的計畫有很大的一個目標也是希望帶動智慧化跟自駕車的 |
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的發展所以這個部分我們希望在未來六七年能夠逐漸的智慧化跟自動化來前進第二個您提到其實這個地方我們跟市政府再來研究看看因為事辦計劃一般要由地方或是主辦方來提 |
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那個部長一個1月先給我一份說明好不好你們跟市府溝通的結果我希望來試辦因為這個地點它其實你看到這個非常漂亮長條狀的而且它不會跟車輛跟其他交錯到那如果我們辦法把這個無人車跟整個 |
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電動車的整個結合那在這邊做一些示範計畫的話效果也會非常的好啦那同時間也可以減少人力我們現在找司機越來越困難了嘛那如果幫他來示範而且迄今每年光光人口就有六七百萬這幾年各地啦包括韓國也很喜歡來到這個地方其他國家喜歡來這邊那我們機會展現出這樣的話會達到很好的效果 |
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我們現在請李昆城委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 請郭部長 |
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這個本席請教一下部長您在5月26號還有6月21號都有針對這個關稅的問題對等關稅問題有接受媒體的訪問然後在5月26號的時候你有提到說這個關稅在談判進行當中不便對外透露細節但已經清楚了掌握美國到底要什麼國人可以放心台灣有把握拿到較好的關稅條件這是5月26號 |
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但是在6月21號您的說法好像有一點改變你說目前重要的變數在於美國能否在實現之前跟日本、韓國、越南、歐盟等完成談判若有結果其他國就會比較好談那想請問一下部長這兩個時間點上面有什麼樣的變化嗎 |
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報告委員我確實這樣子啦就是說美國他在談判這個關稅的時候他有分三個ROM就是綠色的黃色跟紅色的ROM他這次大概主要在談的都還是靠近在綠色的ROM比如說對美國比較友好的這些所以我們是在綠區就對了我們當然是18個國家都在綠區啦但是這個綠區的部分因為他在談判的過程每一個國家不會一樣 |
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所以我們當然就是說會觀察嘛我後來在講的這個就是說韓國日本跟這個歐盟 |
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我們在看這都是大的國家都是大的國家那他一定要美國一定要跟這些能夠談好嘛那這些談好這個基準他談好以後才會跟我們這些這個來談那我們當剛開始的時候我們在談我們跟他談完了以後我們發現說我們應該跟美國之間的差異並沒有那麼 |
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就是美國要我們的然後我們這些沒有參與所以我在5月26號的時候曾經這麼講我們掌握了非常多美國的這個希望跟我們我們可能大部分都是在這種一些非關稅貿易障礙的部分比較多啦就關稅的部分我們其實沒有那麼大的這個差異所以那時候你談完你覺得是有信心的 |
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可以拿到比較好的條件我們談判的小組回來跟我們大家分享大概狀況是這樣經濟部是負責搜尋這一些市場資訊我們發現事實上這個到六月的時候這個美國在談的時候它自己的進度 |
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一直在delay而且我們發現說跟我們這個當初的這個simulation裡面有一點點小的這個差異這個小的差異是在於美國他們現在談判的過程裡面那個不確定性增加了不確定性增加譬如說這個 |
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美國對英國的這個車的關稅雖然調降回來10%但是它有限量它是限量它一定要在10萬輛規模以下才享有這些優惠的稅率那這個 |
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這個關稅又只限美國跟英國兩個國家所以這個對我們在談判後面要談判的就有很多的空間可以來進行我們在發現說它可能不是一體適用不是全世界對美國來談判是多方的談判 沒有它可以談到彼此對等至於對等的定義是什麼我們當然要觀察 |
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他對日本對韓國因為這兩個國家對台灣來講是非常非常的重要因為我們有很多的這個在這個工業上面特別是輕工業資訊工業上面我們高度重疊半導體所以我們不能夠說我們今天談下來的關稅遇到比較這個不利的這個狀況 |
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那因為我們在過去碰到這個關稅的問題的時候總統也好行政院院長也好我們都一起去到各個這個產業去座談我們也充分的了解業者的這個期許啦業者希望我們在談判的那一組人能夠談下一個不歧視的關稅也就是說那部長那現在你的意思是說像日本韓國歐盟他們先談好之後我們才有辦法談嗎 |
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不是在他們談的條件的這個限制之下我們再來談嗎我們當然這個談不是我們主動美國說我們跟美國說我當時要說就可以了可是因為60天的那個緩衝起因快結束了對快結束了我們應該是會在因為我們是比較穩定對美國來講說台灣是比較穩定比較穩定的一個國家 |
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所以對於要跟台灣談他認為說應該是比較容易談的一個部分那他美國對日本跟韓國因為日本因為他有很大的利益在汽車上面韓國也很大的這個利益在汽車跟造船上面 |
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這兩個issue跟台灣都沒有關係所以他會先談完那其實我們台灣的優勢是在於我們AI的晶片跟我們AI的server那另外一個就是我們的傳統產業所以我們關心的是傳統產業的部分那傳統產業大概是競爭的啦所以我再請教一下部長就是說那你6月21號你的專訪我是覺得說奇怪那是不是沒有像你在5月底的時候談得這麼有信心呢 |
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我們當然是到目前為止談下來我跟委員報告因為這還沒有談完嘛所以我們應該是有信心不至於談出一個對日本或者韓國更差的這個關稅這個我們應該是具有高度信心好 OK那我先為大家有時間到我再做一個問題我請這個交通部的次長好不好林次長 |
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這個你們是2030年客運車輛電動化預計要達到這個市區公車全面電動化的目標是不是那我剛有聽到委員講說這個目標可能會跳票 |
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沒有目前還是照這方向來走因為去年2024我們是有達標那你說如果到2030年接下來的五年都要達標的話每年大概市區的這個電動公車大概要貸還多少 |
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現在一萬一千台市區公共車嘛那我剛剛報告裡面也有我們現在已經有33,3288,3200多輛設計跟已經使用中的所以還有7000輛7年,一兩千輛每年所以市長是認為說還是在2030年之前市區的公車這個是我們的目標那我再問一下因為後面會越來越快那可是我們的這一個呢國道的這一個電動大客車勒 |
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現在我們在國道上面有電動大客車嗎同步在開發但是它的規格跟使用性能會不一樣我們現在在國道上面有電動大客車在跑嗎目前沒有 只有公路客運有一些我認真說沒有啊我問的資料應該是沒有啊所以現在在國道上面都還沒有電動大客車在跑就對了那你們預計是哪時候電動大客車會在國道上面跑 |
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這個我請市長回應好跟我們報告一下確實就是說國道客運使用的續航力跟這個相關的性能要求比較高那目前相關的業者在做開發當中那目前大概有些這個車型出來那目前還在做性能上面的這個調校我們也很期待希望說在今年年底或明年初能夠有符合國道客運的這個車子能夠出來 |
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今年底或明年初因為有業者在抱怨就是說他已經跟這一個電動車公司已經簽好約那個有這個路線可以跑那結果因為呢這個電動大哥車他做不出來結果他的路線也被取消掉了就有這種情況 |
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這個部分據我所了解的一個部分的話這個當然聽得到他這個業者當時拿到這個案這個路線那對審議會我想也是公務局承諾的這個條件那後面他跟相關的這個電動大客車業者去訂定相關這個採購車輛基本上也有一個這個合約啦那我想說有一些這個業者 |
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兩方相關交車這個正義的這個部分的話我們是比較建議可能要循他們的合約來做處理司契約是歸司契約那大家就是按照這個法律途徑在講那我我是認為說既然這個電動客車大客車是這個部裡面的這一個計畫不論是市區公車或是說這一個我們國道上面的這個電動大客車我們都有補助嘛對不對都有補助那我是希望說相關的配套措施尤其在國道 |
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客運的這個相關措施你要做好 而不然你車子第一個你現在還沒辦法上路 第二個就是說它的這些充電樁之類的配套措施好像也都還沒有完成啊 |
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除了車輛本身的一個相關性能的一個要求之外那另外有關於在廠站端這些相關充電設施的部分我們對於這個國道客運或是未來一般公路客運的協助會跟現在市區客運一樣相關的廠站端這些相關的充電窗還包括這個充電這個智慧管理平台的這個部分我們公路局都會來做協助 |
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因為這個是部裡面的這個計畫啦我是希望說就好好監督齁能夠讓他順利的能夠上路啦好謝謝市長好謝謝委員好謝謝我們現在請蔡易瑜委員做詢答 |
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好 謝謝主席 那我們是不是先請交通部次長 林次長林次長和公路局副局長副局長蔡委員長好 次長 |
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那因為今天我們召委在關心的關於說這個老齡化他去使用的這個客運的問題那事實上我們也知道像是很多偏鄉也不用說到完全偏鄉像現在我們嘉義縣嘉義縣大概晚上之後幾乎就沒有客運了 |
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完全過去的客運功能完全已經沒了就是說不管是到台北啦高雄啦大家都覺得說哇這個投報率來越低可能承載的人數也少那就變得說沒有就沒有這樣的一個客運服務了那我想要請教次長那因為這種有一點是因為市場導向的然後造成了這個客運的終止那這樣的情況站在交通部的立場你們是樂見嗎還是你們覺得 |
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就让它市场下去报言当然不乐见我们不乐见公共运输退场的这么快但是现在的状况是可能委员也知道我们在疫情期间很多私人硬具是有注册或购买 |
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那有一部分的使用者在那段時間是轉到私人運區去那第二個呢是我們也曾經注意到客運車的駕駛相對壓力比較大因為他會面臨乘客的抱怨或是路線比較長疲勞駕駛的問題甚至剛剛游委員也提到他可能會有用餐上廁所的一些壓力所以這些課題如果不能夠逐步來處理大概公路駕駛會不太容易找得到 |
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對因為你剛講到有所謂的私人的一個運具但是他畢竟他是不是很大客群他是懂得去使用這個私人運具的人他才有辦法尤其是在這種跑長城的比方我就是說如果從嘉義要到台北我晚上在趕不上最後一班的高鐵10點半的高鐵我趕不上了那我有其他選擇嗎好像沒有除了自用車以外就是轎車了 |
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但是客运这一块就没了所以市长你说你不乐见那交通部要提出怎样的替代方式去延长这些客运的寿命也好还是他们能够继续提供服务 |
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跟委員報告這個全世界可能都面臨一樣的問題一個缺工第二個是這個駕駛人在超過65歲以上的時候其實有些駕駛他還有一定的能力像計程車的步我們就放得比較快那所以有關是否把駕駛年齡延長第二個是否能找到更多的駕駛來源 |
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包含我們前陣子討論的這個外籍駕駛通通是我們努力的方向不過目前並沒有很好的一個結果啦所以市長我想這個事實上這也有很多矛盾你說要駕駛年齡延長啊不然你現在延長了我也沒辦法預見說駕駛年齡延長 |
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那後面這一段到底要延長多久延長到66歲67歲這個延長的部分還需要精細的討論因為畢竟不是說直接依照工序來處理有些部分還是要看年齡的部分 |
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那第二個是駕駛人的部分我們今天的主題就是智慧運輸跟自動駕駛能否幫助駕駛降低他的壓力以及行車安全所以我們也希望透過智慧運輸智慧公車的提供 |
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讓駕駛的壓力降低以後能夠用這個方式來吸引新的駕駛人員來進行當然啦我們期待未來可以有無人載具智慧運輸來取代這樣的一個客運的服務但是我覺得次長還是要去關注到啦在偏鄉本身的公共運輸的能量就很不足那 |
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又因為偏鄉然後你再說這個駕駛人數的一個限制的話這個在偏鄉更嚴重所以我們交通部還是要去顧及到很多不同的城鄉落差整個地方我要找個公共運輸就沒有辦法找不到 |
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而且本身地方的年輕人也不足,他要說叫家人待在,也沒有年輕人,年輕人都出外所以為什麼會開始把幸福巴士導入幸福小房的作用大概是這個就是說用計程車來協助非特定路線的公共運輸那第二個我們同仁也在研議 |
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有些如果连幸福小房都没有那更偏远的郊区或是山区可不可以开放社会型的服务比如说这个团体协会来参与我们的公共运输服务这个在别的地区是有那目前就是还没有正规化来导入 |
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對 既然有方法我覺得就要去嘗試看看了這個大概就是對 記得市長你都講到說可能用一些工協會由他來扮演的適度的運輸的角色市長你要工協會扮演對不對但是你很多配套還是要先給他第一個就是說 |
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這個你叫協會去當駕駛他們的車他還是要符合規格他要符合規格但是我跟你說他們很多是會害怕的我之前有遇過一些類似消防的就是要帶老人去長照中間一小段對不對你知道 |
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他們駕駛是不敢把老人從車上把他扶到車下他會怕他會怕什麼他怕後續的一些責任問題他沒有受過正當的教育課是啊是啊他就會有這些責任問題所以所以我要說很多時候你們好 |
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大方法抓出來那剩下一些配套一些要解套然後一些讓這些駕駛人他們適度的一些責任應該要讓他們有豁免的機會不然他要塞車然後要救整車的老人他也是怕的應該是兩個方面一個就是提升他的職能讓他認識了解他要做的工作那第二個豁免的部分可能要思考怎麼來補強他 |
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這部分我想可以再想辦法啦偏鄉地方對於公共運輸的需求我覺得這個交通部你們在思考台灣的發展交通的時候一定要注意到城鄉的差距越偏鄉的地方開始進戶本門應該更好的好不好謝謝委員好來市長先回然後是不是再請經濟部郭部長郭部長 |
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我們來討論一下時事現在以伊戰爭看起來伊朗國會已經批准要封鎖赫默茲海峽 |
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那封鎖了赫默茲海峽大概整個石油從中東的石油大概會斷裂那如果以台灣對台灣的影響來說台灣有超過六成的石油或者也還有兩成以上的天然氣是來自包括沙烏地阿拉伯啦包括科威特包括 |
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卡達啦 這樣的一些中東國家所以會產生這樣石油供應的斷鏈跟天然氣那未來勢必可以想像 可能油價會上漲那油價會上漲這件事情兩個直接衝擊 中油跟台塑那部長 我們未來對中油我們因應油價上漲 我們要怎樣的對策嗎 |
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報告委員我想油價的部分因為我們還有一個亞林最低價這樣一個部分存在所以我想這個行政院他應該會去考量這部分不是經濟部的業務啦我們是盡量配合這個行政院的這個指示來因應但是我們有做了一些推估大概會漲多少做了一些推估不過經濟部現在關切的是這個20%的油到25%的氣 |
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這裏那旁邊 |
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這個供給上面不順利的時候我要怎麼來彌補這個市場的這個需求啦所以我們經濟部現在大部分都在著力於對量的穩定量的穩定啦介紹的部分因為我們有供應量的穩定很重要就是要有一些替代的一些能源的一些來源啦但是部長我現在我想要問這一題我比較想要呼籲的就是說 |
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我們中油 畢竟中油是國營事業啦那如果亞林最低價那當然中油就要去吸收要去吸收這一些油價的 |
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但是另外一間台塑,台塑面對整個中國的石化業產能過剩所以台塑已經面對很大的衝擊這次的油價如果上漲,對台塑是可以說雪上加霜,更嚴重 |
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台塑這間公司這樣經營下去壓力這麼大,勢必會面對台灣很多的就業市場,不然我想你已經知道,很多台灣的員工在台塑上班,你看賣料那裡,現在賣料那裡已經變成一個很大的鄉鎮,你看我們自己的台北比較新鋼, |
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那也幾乎都是在台塑或是台塑的關係企業那如果未來台塑跟中油一樣面對油價上漲然後有面對這個油價要吸收成本的這樣的危機的時候雖然它是一些私人企業但是它已經大到我們政府應該要去關心它保證這塊是不是你可以 |
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報告委員我們現在大概就是對油價的目前大概在75塊到85塊這個地方我們還在評估當然更高的時候我想我們會從這個影響CPI這個物價指數上面來看那根據我們的模型來推論如果油價上漲10%影響CPI大概只有0.3% |
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對於這私人企業因為他大到影響我們會來跟他接觸來尋求跟他做充分的溝通看需要怎樣來倒三缸我的意思是這樣我覺得跟台秀應該和你對話因為台秀這間企業已經這麼大這麼多員工在那裡上班所以我們也不想看到台秀有裁員的狀況一個裁員就是很多家庭他少了這樣的一個依靠 |
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所以台塑要怎麼讓它可以至少要撐過你說中國的產能過剩再加上這一次以異戰爭可能會面對的一個能源危機這個部分中有需要台塑這也是可能我們國家的台東應該也是要來關係化當然我們就是現在台塑是大企業 |
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那大企業有大企業的運作模式現在我們經濟部主要還是對中小微企業我們著力比較深啦當然委員現在關注到這個命題我們會回去以後馬上召集我們部裡面的這些同仁來想跟這個你們應該思考一下啦所以我也沒辦法有大案啦因為畢竟它是私人企業我可以想像因為在我的選區我好多人都都是台所上班他們都會歡樂 |
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這員工在替老闆在擔心是 這個部分台塑應該是我們會去考量基本上還是要反映成本我們還是盡量讓他反映成本這個部分我想我們會跟台塑然後我們整體所有的相關的同仁我們會來努力好 謝謝部長謝謝委員好 謝謝我們現在請翁曉琳委員做詢答 |
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主席好 這邊有請國發會的詹副主委 |
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我也好是詹副主委好我想在今年的3月27號其實當時本院的未還委員會曾經也邀請國發會來就少子女化的議題來進行備詢那當時國發會的參與的可能是某位處長就說少子 |
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少子女化的问题已经提高到行政院层级了那么是由这个当时的是由政务委员陈时中来负责统筹相关的作为这个统筹相关的权责部会也就是交由行政院的社会福利推动委员会来主办 |
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那麼現在本席想了解就是說因為你依照國發會組織法第二條第六款的規定其實國發會它是主管人力資源發展政策那麼就之前的這個處長的詢答說已經不包括少子女化政策了那麼現在我們今天討論的這個高齡化或是超高齡化的相關的政策推動是不是仍然是屬於國發會的主則 |
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跟委員報告因為我們的業務當然會有跟人力高齡化少子化這些業務相關這個沒錯但是因為有些議題它的重要性蠻高的所以像我們上次應該是人力處處長回復委員的意思就是說像少子化這個問題 |
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其實還有高齡化這個問題 其實他們的層次都是在行政院的層次因為這個是我們未來長期發展非常重要的課題所以這些跨部會的議題現在是由相關的政務委員在督導各部會來推動那您本身不是又是政務委員嗎 國發會的主委 政務委員來兼國發會的主委 |
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那所以就是這個國發會主委現在就完全不負責相關的政策因為在這裡譬如說你們在今天報告裡面有寫到高齡社會白皮書高齡社會白皮書當時的主筆單位是主筆機關是哪一個機關是國發會嗎應該不是啦應該不是好那本席要講就是說因為依照你們自己國發會組織法裡面的規定其實人力資源發展政策它應該是一個全面性的 |
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一个政策的规划那现在呢看起来像总统府跟行政院的内部就是组织叠床架屋又成立了很多的各式各样不同的委员会或是顾问会推动小组等等那反而是架空了你们国发会的原来的这个执掌所以现在国发会到底扮演什么样的功能 |
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其實並不會這樣子啦,跟委員報告,譬如說本會劉組委他是政務委員但是行政院政務委員有好幾位,他們都各自有分工那以本會為例,劉組委在擔任政務委員他主要的分工是像經濟、像財政金融等等那剛剛提到的少子化、高齡化的分工上,目前可能是以陳時中、陳政委為主導 |
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所以這些那很多要落實到各部會執行的時候那這個時候就有各部會他要做的事情那有些統籌協調的工作譬如說或者像公共建設計畫審議等等那這個本會當然責無旁貸好的了解了那現在我要講的就是說因為國發會你不要忘記其實過去在這個 |
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在国民党执政时代国发会都是非常重要的一个机关它会针对整个国家的发展不管是在经济、社会、卫福还有人力产业发展等等都会提出非常精辟的联系报告然后提出很好的政策但是曾经核实国发会看起来功能已经越来越弱而且都会被一些非法定组织 |
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來取代變成這些所謂的總統底下的委員會或行政院這些顧問小組等等看起來他們的權力可能都還比國發會大但我認為說這個是不對的其實蠻多政策國發會還是在推動跟規劃接下來我想講的就是說這個國發會想請教詹副主委你知不知道有一個中華民國人口政策綱領 |
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過去是有但我不知道現在在這個當裡應該還是你們貴會主管的吧 |
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對 我的意思是說我們現在在推動幾個主要跟人口有關的包含國家競爭力方案 包含人口推顧等等我想要講的就是 因為時間的關係這個綱領到目前為止都還是放在國科會的人就是國發會的人口政策區那麼事實上這已經是103年當時所提出的人口政策綱領到現在已經114年了 經過了10年 |
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這些政策人口政策難道不需要經過檢討嗎是當然需要所以國發會你說你們有做那你們到底這些年來做了什麼你們有沒有提出最新的或是每五年就要有一個新的人口政策綱領 |
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对否则的话我们现在看到就是一盘散沙一回少子化一回高龄化那对于整个的台湾的未来的整个的人口政策的它的图像以及我们要怎么样走没有就看不出来那这部分 |
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我希望就是詹副主委這邊可以這個回去好要帶領你們的同仁要重新再去擬定新的人口政策綱領那至於就是說高齡的相關議題不好意思麻煩稍微再給我一分鐘就是現在國發會官網上面也只有看到有關於老年經濟的安全但是我們知道其實高齡的高齡化社會政策其實不只是老年經濟安全 |
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它還包含其他的面向例如我們今天講的智慧公共運具等等所以你們在老年經濟安全這裡其實應該要把它所討論的範圍擴大而且也不是只面向在經濟安全對 在居住安全 社會安全甚至在法治上的安全我覺得都應該要全面性的考量我希望就是國發會還是能夠扮演在整個台灣國家發展 |
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這個方面的領頭羊機關的角色而不是說現在變成是看起來像是行政院或總統府的小弟或是他們的幕僚機關他們做什麼然後你們再幫忙去擬稿我覺得這樣的方式是不對的希望能夠提供相關的這個相關的政策研擬 |
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我們現在請葉元芝委員做詢答首先我們請經濟部長 郭部長 |
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委員好部長好左邊賴清德總統開啟他的國安史獎第一獎特別提到台灣的經濟產業很棒裡面有一個是有提到我們的扣件產業像螺絲、螺帽、外銷比例到九成工具機是全世界第三大但現在因為川普政策關稅政策的關係所以這些產業其實都受到一些衝擊 |
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勞動部在6月16號的時候發布一個最新的資料說我們現在五星價已經有160家企業共2895人受到影響那其中製造業的影響很大 |
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那特別是直接針對直接是因為對等關稅影響的裡面呢也是以製造業居多然後金屬機械是重災區那所以我們現在必須要趕快來把這個川普的關稅政策把它處理好那我看到部長你那個前兩天有時候接受媒體訪問啦 |
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比如說現在有兩個很大的變數那這兩個變數感覺上好像都沒有一個答案所以郭文貴看就很緊張就第一個你有提到說美國要等到跟日本、韓國、歐盟、越南等大國談完之後才會有一個比較明確答案這個是你受訪的時候講的沒錯吧 |
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報告委員 我想變數不會說只有一個有兩個啦 我是說其實對我現在只是討論一個甚至更多啦那我們是在講說有這兩個變數會影響我們在關稅的談判那第一個我覺得像第一項聽起來就會蠻緊張的因為我記得當時川普關稅政策剛出來的時候政府一直告訴國人說大家放心因為我們是在第一批談判名單裡面 |
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仍然是第一批盤旦然後都一直釋出訊息告訴我們說沒問題啦 我們可以很快談完那時候還講說什麼選對人 走對路 選錯人關稅125啊講了很多口號但現在眼看7月8號關稅暫緩期就要到了 |
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但現在政府又告訴大家說我們要等到其他國家談完我們才可能會有個比較明確答案那像日本日本現在態度很硬啊跟美國在談的時候立場也談得很硬啊感覺時間就要拖到很久啊所以這樣的一個進度我覺得大家會真的非常憂心特別是我剛剛有提到有一些無心價都已經出來了嘛然後第二個部長你有提到還有一個變數是我們要想要知道美國真正想要什麼他到底希望透過關稅政策解決什麼樣的問題對不對 |
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那不知道就你的了解他到底想要什麼美國大概這一次的關稅大概有三個面向第一個解決他的貿易的問題第二個解決他金融失衡的問題第三個解決他製造空洞化的問題所以我們要了解在這三個面向裡面到底其中的比率大概是怎麼樣子 |
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那我們能夠提供給美國的他所需要的這個部分我們可以給他多少的成分那我相信這個是有助於我們在談判的時候可以比其他的國家跟美國在談判的時候我們可以取得優勢我要跟委員報告的是我們 |
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在這一次的這個關稅談判的過程裡面總統跟院長我們都在實際的下鄉去了解所有的產業他們到底他們的痛點在哪裡那麼所以我們才會盤出六大傳統產業他們可能會面臨到這個衝擊所以我們這一次的這一個特別預算也是根據這個衝擊來編列的謝謝 |
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其實您現在講的東西跟那個時候川普關稅政策剛提出來的東西都差不多啦等於說這兩個月過去我們沒有發現有什麼新的進展那當然政府可能會覺得我們不能夠向外界透露訊息可是你看國際的例子比如說日本日本他們很多訊息在國內都有討論因為國內的輿情就是我們談判代表對外的籌碼 |
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所以我會覺得國人擔心的地方就在這邊說是不是我們其實沒有什麼進展所以不能講到時候7月8號開盲盒啊就說啊我們就這樣談啦然後很多談判的立場並沒有站在台灣的角度都是我看到我們官員講話都是一副就是什麼美國的繁榮不能沒有台灣啊什麼台灣要什麼台美共榮好像都站在美國的角度 |
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我覺得這個是大家比較擔心的部分然後再來其中還有我覺得關稅政策到目前為止都沒有定案對於汽車產業也會受影響買車的也會受影響因為現在很多買車都在觀望不曉得說到底汽車的價錢會怎麼樣會不會降下來所以觀望的態度非常的重那我看到經濟部講說在跟美國談判的話要先確定關稅再談貨物稅是這樣嗎 |
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報告委員汽車關稅減讓的部分我想影響還是可以控制的那我們在做一些推論的時候在關稅因為我們對小客車整車並沒有外銷美國 |
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所以美國的車照台灣來的比重也不高所以我們要怎麼談到底是談出來這個關稅只適合台美之間的這樣的適用的關稅還是因為我們是WTO的國家我們是不是這個關稅談下來以後要因為其他國家會不會比照嘛所以這個部分我們都會關心部長這樣子因為你們產發署的書長講說 |
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美英有一個談判架構協議啦 他們談的就是適用美國跟英國他說我們可不可以比照 但那個是他想的啦我們能比照也不是我們自己說的算嘛所以其他國是我們可以參考在談判上面適用問題是實際上到WTO能不能又是另外一回事嘛所以其實談關稅的變數很大第二個 關稅其實不是只有稅率的問題 還有配額的問題嘛 |
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我們現在美國進口車進來一年是75輛是限額到時候美國又跟你講說要談關稅是不是除了稅率之外限額也要提高所以這個事情並不是部長你講的對台灣企業產業的衝擊就只有說您剛講那個這麼簡單我覺得那個是很複雜的問題我反而是建議說你可以先討論貨物稅因為貨物稅是進口車本土的車都降 |
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都這樣情況之下對於汽車產業影響比較小而且國人買車比較便宜所以對於經濟部這樣的談判順序我認為不應該是要等到關稅談完之後再談貨物稅經濟部應該要跟產業部說其實我們可以先從降貨物稅開始做起 |
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謝謝委員這一部分我想我們都會參考來作為將來這個施政的一個方式這個不是參考將來啦因為現在正在進行是其實我們是蠻強烈建議經營部趕快跟財政部說貨物稅現在就可以降了那你可以用降貨物稅這個角度去跟美國人講嘛到時候美國車進來之後也會比較便宜啊否則你關稅談會很複雜要等比較久 |
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然後還有最後我再問一個人員問題因為最近高雄有一個光電的案子引起國人很大的關注就是高雄大樹區不知道你們有沒有看到那個畫面它一片山頭上面全部被蓋光電板 |
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後來高雄市政府講說那個是什麼廠商過度開發但實際上很多人講在那個山頭可以把樹這樣砍掉然後光電板放上去那麼一大片就是一個很奇怪的事情因為按照規定如果你的坡度超過30%的話就應該要限制開發所以光電板可以鋪這麼多可以核准也很怪啦那我當然知道說你沒有壓力啦因為可能你在2026年你要達到綠電20%嘛 |
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所以這個部分要積極在推可是如果推綠電造成環境破壞這樣也不好啦所以這個部分進一步有沒有去有一些新的做法出來嗎有 我們就是配合這個整個的這個法規法規的規定那它已經超過它被允許的這個範圍我們當然去制止禁止它再開發下去這是第一個那我們 |
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經濟部基本上還是合法合規一定再把法放在前面那這個整個的進行的過程裡面我想謝謝委員的關注我們也非常的重視這個雖然我們對綠電的需求非常的強大但是我們絕不允許業者可以違法違規所以這個違法違規的部分就是我們在處理的重點我們快速在處理這件事情所以不可能它再開發下去 |
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我們不希望說類似的案例一直不斷發生啦因為這個案子其實已經進行好幾年了是最近因為被爆發出來而且那個空拍圖看起來非常的嚇人所以社會開始討論政府才開始有作為啦我們希望說其他案子也不要發生一樣的狀況啦是 謝謝委員好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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本日议程处理完毕现在休息 |
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謝謝大家 |