| IVOD_ID |
167756 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167756 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-23T09:47:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-23T09:56:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fac85a1267872a8af3494f3367c6edb73e8ac6646e11c8eceedb258d1c0d1ac071244ce773f284e95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:14 - 09:56:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防、財政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：一、行政院函請審議「強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。二、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案」案。三、本院國民黨黨團擬具「強化國防及對美軍事採購特別條例草案」案。(3月23日、3月25
日及26日三天一次會)） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國防部的顧部長我們請顧部長是 賴委員不能找那個F16V是不是今年開始交捐預計我們今年可以交交多台 要多少台 |
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我們現在還沒有辦法做一個精確的估算可是不是什麼安檢都已經測試了啊說到現在可以交了大概什麼時候交第三劑是不是 |
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預估第三季第三季可以交運返台所以我們大概九月份可以看到第一架是不是這個意思現在預估預估可以所以這也沒有確定所以這個來講那MQ-9V什麼時候交第三季也是第三季所以這個就看到這兩天的新聞物件一直來就是為了今天 |
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大家都知道某種程度這也是一個認知作戰我請教你這句話對不對說我們已經交了錢六千億的武器沒有交是不是對不對就對了不對怎麼講你講我想這個部分是不是請站規師已經回答很多次了 |
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我們所有的案子,不論是軍購或商購,我們都是依據執行進度去付款,也就是我們每年會編列預算,很多個年度的預算一次一次付所以不是像媒體上面寫的,那些案子的總額六千億,我們就一次付了六千億,所以從來沒有這種事 |
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但是這是玩文字遊戲就是換一句話說我要強調的雖然你們在這裡講過我也問過你們講說事實上是三千億可是看帳怎麼算你們要等於把到貨期往後延所以那個就沒有交所以不是說我這樣講好了不是說我交錢交了六千億我交了三千億沒有交券對吧但是還有三千億你還沒給錢對吧 我這樣講對吧 |
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我這樣講對不對嘛你又回答我嘛我這樣對不對就是我已經交了錢有3000億沒有來但是我另外我要買的項目還有3000億我錢還沒有交他當然沒有來我這樣講對不對 |
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我想這個過去已經講過很多次就是說我們現在買的二十幾項的武器裝備有提前交易有準時交易那還沒有的主要就是三個一個F-16那您剛質疑的第二個就是Mk-48的重巡儀類那第三個就是AGM-154這個大概三個部分有遲延那加起來多少錢F-16的部分 |
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這三個加起來多少錢?APP16的部分均購款是2400億元左右然後已經付了1490億元左右然後呢?然後AGM1547買56枚大概是60億左右的按款但是目前因為預約還沒有全部完成所以只付了1億多的先期準備款 |
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然後重型魚雷的部分兩個案子加起來是1.77億美金左右一樣我們前面只有大概付了3億多台幣的初期準備款 |
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你沒有回答我的問題我剛剛講的就對不對你可以講我講錯沒關係嘛你就在這裡我剛剛講的是說我們現在說是錢已經交了沒有交券的三千億另外有三千億我錢還沒有交 |
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錢還沒有給錢還沒有給嘛 對嗎 交易一樣的意思我沒有給 那是三千億嘛 對不對我這樣講對不對 這一句話對不對報告員也不對好 那你給我糾正一下是多少我們先回到那個卡通你給我講 因為我時間有限 你就告訴我好 已經交錢的有多少錢沒有來還沒有交的有多少錢 就這樣子再把三個交起來 |
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包委員為了數字精確的關係我們這邊建議我們匯整一份資料給您 |
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因為剛剛他已經大致上講了就是說大概MAC48的魚雷然後加AGM154再加這個F16B那這個當然還是有美金計價的然後再折算成台幣這是一點那第二點大概相關三個數字他剛剛大概都已經說明了你剛才講美金計價一個六十億六十億台幣就是超兩千億啊對不對沒有沒有沒有沒有六十億你剛講不是六十億嗎那你再重複一遍 |
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AGM1547是60億左右的台幣台幣喔 你剛剛講美金和台幣60億台幣 還有一點多億一點多億是美金 然後一點77億是魚壘重點是美金吧對 是美金 對嘛 還有另外一個一點多億是美金 對所以就有差不多3億美金左右嘛就差不多100億左右嘛100億加60億 160億嘛 你又這樣精準講就這個意思吧 巴偉我們還是先給你一個統計資料 |
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好不好 這個儘快給我們來 現在看到這個中東打仗了美國有沒有可能跟我們借愛國者飛彈我們目前沒有接獲任何相關這樣的一個訊息所以他不需要 |
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我們沒有被揭霍有任何需要你難道不會擔心我們現在編的預算又有賣愛國者飛彈愛國者飛彈美國在中東打得差不多了他還有愛國者飛彈賣我們嗎難道你不會擔心這個嗎 |
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我們現在也沒有接貨任何因為我們現在還有續購的那個愛國者的飛彈現有我們當時用捷運款買的一百零二枚的飛彈那這個部分他也沒有說要表示要遲延交付所以準時交卷我們現在只能說沒有接貨任何有關遲延交付的訊息好 最後一點部長我在這裡很慎重提出來其實大家都了解這次其實就是 |
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我覺得名稱應該用用這個B黨的啦加強國防及對美採購全部都對美採購啊畢業正名夫就是對美採購我們的版本是3800億加N這個N現在出現什麼時候出現什麼時候加上去因為媒體報導啦不是嗎只不過美國政府還沒有最後確認 |
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他要再賣140億美金有人講150億那就差不多4500億台幣加上去就8000多 |
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這個加收去8000多啊那你的一點澳照其實加了很多都是國內採購這一部分我覺得應該要放在一般的預算裡面跟委員報告像強攻的這個反戰術彈道飛彈的這個系統就是我們委託中科研製作的我想這個部分也是我們整體防攻那個放在年度預算可以啊放在年度預算可以啊 |
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我想委員應該有知道我們之前就有強化這個海空戰力特別提升的一個特別計畫那個也是我們這個特別條例裡面我們希望能夠有一個穩定的預算來源來強化海空戰力那麼強攻這個戰術彈道飛彈這個也是重要的一點澳照我們不可能給一點澳照啦 |
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那現在這個3800加NN已經出現差不多隱約出現所以就有8000多億了將近9000億了這個數字我個人支持另外就是無論國人載具的部分希望各位委員能夠支持因為我們希望能夠資源集中預算穩定的銀行之下能夠建立我們的國防自主產能 |
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522.838 |
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這個放年度預算都可以我們今年度要省的預算是增加三千億的國防預算我們希望有一個規模性的需求來強化我們的國防資格這個東西啊能夠把它匡列啊你這個三千八加NN已經出現出現的時候就八千多億了這個我個人是支持的我就講我是支持的你要珍惜我的支持喔 |
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540.191 |
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544.934 |
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欸 這個東西否則就是只有三千八喔 我想這個N出現了只要美國要賣 華家是不是來 我們需要的這兩個條件都滿足 我支持 就這樣子部長 你要珍惜喔 珍惜這樣的講法 其他的你要發展無人機沒有人反對 那個都可以放在年度預算啦 |
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563.303 |
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566.066 |
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否則你就特別一算你要去給我們不是說不扶持國內的國防工業啦馬桶的裝修都來沒有道理啦工程會要跟著去修法更沒有道理好 謝謝賴世寶委員 |