| IVOD_ID |
16774 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16774 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-130-30-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第130屆經費稽核委員會第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
0 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
30 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經費稽核委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第130屆經費稽核委員會第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-20T11:40:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-20T12:34:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:53:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-06-20T12:10:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第130屆經費稽核委員會第1次會議（事由：一、選舉召集委員
二、決定每月例會日期
三、報告本院114年度預算執行情形（截至114年5月止）） |
| 委員名稱 |
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我等時分 |
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報告委員會初席委員已足法定人數請初席委員推舉臨時會議主席賴慧媛 |
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1814.716 |
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本130屆經費集合委員會伊利法院經費集合委員會組織規程第四條規定每會期應選召集委員三人並決定輪值辦法 |
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誒 |
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各位在現場的同事大家午安我們依照慣例我們委員來互推我們要推選一個主席就由我們出席的委員推請就是在每一個 |
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那個政黨裡頭就是有一個委員那民進黨那個我們民進黨是世襲那我首先先那個介紹一下就是在一先先後那個到達的順序我來介紹一下第一個是陳培宜委員郭怡情委員那還有林業勤委員 |
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1908.22 |
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1936.674 |
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那我們民眾黨那個陳其凱委員張其凱張其凱委員還有那個林倩琦委員那我們也介紹在現場徐以貞委員好我們的葛如君委員還有謝一鳳委員好謝謝大家那我們是不是在這個 |
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1938.932 |
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1964.256 |
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現在把我們各位介紹在現場的各位委員是請決定是不是我們互推一位我們自己委員會的招委招委要擔任一個輪值的順序等一下會請秘書來做一個報告我們大家就是每一個自己的政黨互推好不好 |
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1965.966 |
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好 民進黨這邊推薦賴慧如委員 謝謝是 那國民黨的部分啊那我們這邊推薦徐宇貞委員好 徐宇貞委員齁徐宇貞委員 那那個謝一鳳在喔謝一鳳在 謝一鳳你那個你是資深委員 |
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這依我們林華宴的慣例有時候在這個因為這個不是委員會推舉這封委員啊是是沒有啦這你怎麼跟你說啦我是給你提出的對啊是伊鳳那就由你來好那 |
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2013.22 |
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好 那民眾黨就麻煩張綺凱委員來擔任召委那國民黨我們就請謝一鳳委員來擔任好嗎好 OK可以喔 可以 好 |
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主席在這裡報告我們今天民進黨選出賴慧妍國民黨是謝一鳳民眾黨是張其凱委員是每一個政黨的召委這三位召委我們私下還要再依序來做今天就是我們的主席我們的排序等一下我們先下去協商一下 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好 那個本席在這裡宣布那就是我們那個每一個政黨選出的那個召委那第一次的開會我們是由謝一鳳第二次是張其凱 第三次是賴慧媛以上做這樣的一個宣布那接著我就把這個那個整個會議交給那個謝一鳳主席 |
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2164.182 |
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2185.049 |
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所有與會的同仁所有列席的官員大家好我們現在首先介紹列席官員本院的周萬來秘書長本院的張玉榮副秘書長本院的孔秉傑處長 |
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2193.878 |
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2202.723 |
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國際處 我們林承富處長議事處 高百祥處長公報處 蘇顯興處長總務處 廖總治處長資訊處 鄭輝斌處長法治處 郭明正局長 |
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2222.922 |
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2249.343 |
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預算中心 陳玉清 主任國會圖書館 林瑞文 館長中部中心 邱俊榮 主任地政博物館 徐仙青 館長人事處 黃瑞月 處長主計處 許進江 處長 |
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2254.087 |
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2275.595 |
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好以上介紹那現在宣布會期間每月第三週星期五中午為經費金和委員會例行會議日期請問委員有無異議沒有異議那我們就這樣子通過好 |
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2279.487 |
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2297.582 |
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我們的決議就是本屆經費集合委員會的立會日定於會期每月的第三個禮拜五中午那現在來報告本院114年度預算執行情形那請主計處許進江處長報告 |
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2307.642 |
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2327.143 |
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主席各位委員大家好以下緊究立法院114年度截至5月份指預算執行情形報告本月為國家最高立法機關為持續推展任務各項經費收支均因實際需要按相關規定核實辦理以有效支援委員議案審查工作 |
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2327.964 |
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2337.169 |
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有關114年度截至5月份指預算執行情形請詳附表1該框表附表2明細表緊究稅務類經費類項目重點內容說明如後1稅務類114年度稅務類預算共編列10449000元截至5月份指累計分配數895萬元 |
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2349.895 |
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2369.834 |
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累计实收数909万9千元包括罚款及赔偿收入5万7千元财产收入836万5千元及其他收入67万7千元二经费类114年度经费类及区分一般行政委员问证业务等9个业务计划共编列预算36亿9614万元 |
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2372.577 |
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2380.845 |
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截至5月份止累计分配数16亿1819万4千元累计实质数14亿9848万5千元执行率92.6%主要区分下列三大项目 |
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1.委員問政專項經費本項目包括委員稅費及公費、公費助理、國會交流事務、委員會館、問政相關業務及黨團補助等6個工作計畫項目公編列委員問政及選民服務等相關經費14億7393萬2千元 |
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截至5月份止累計分配數6億9013萬4千元累計實質數6億4960萬9千元資訊率94.13%主要包括委員稅供費及選民服務費供費助理酬金及加班費等人事費5億8777萬2千元委員救市住宿會館水電通訊費團體保險辦公室務費交通費及國會交流等業務費 |
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16197000元 黨團補助費564萬元二 議事行政支援經費本項目包括一般行政 議事業務 地方諮詢業務國會圖書業務 公報業務及第一背經等六個工作計畫項目公編列議事行政支援及職工人員維持等相關經費202101萬元 |
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截至5月份止累计分配数9亿2546万元累计实质数8亿4870万8千元执行率91.71%主要包括职工信奉保险及退休资金等人士费6亿7134万3千元院区水电通讯费 |
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資訊服務費 辦公房設及公務車輛養護 國會頻道委託轉播等業務費1億5622萬1千元 主書資料庫購置等設備費2010萬元退休職工三節慰問金及年節特別照護金等獎補助費104萬4千元三 一般建築及設備經費 |
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每項目包括營建工程、交通及運輸設備及其他設備等三個工作計畫項目共編列2億119萬8千元包括本院委員住宿會館整修、周邊環境空間安全優化委員公用車輛汰換、各項資訊應用系統開發及軟硬體設備構置汰換數位影音儲存、資料庫及數位印刷機等案截至5月份止 |
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累计分配数260万元累计实质数16万8千元执行率6.46%主要系本院一场三楼与请愿接待室会议麦克风或录音系统新增设备采购案等案依契约未达付款条件至影响预算执行进度 |
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3.皆予以上系本院114年度截至5月份止之预算执行情形均依业务实际需要及规定程序本准结原则核实检讨办理整体预算执行尚称正常仅就重点内容而要报告敬请指教谢谢好那请问各位委员对于本院的预算的执行情况有没有意见 |
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有沒有沒有囉 |
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謝謝主席因為我是第一次參加經費集合委員會那我想要反映一下那如果我等一下提出的問題不適合在這裡提出再請主席給予建議就是之前在坐公務車的時候有聽到一些他們的也不能算抱怨建議這樣就是尤其在都會區其實林庭的狀況很複雜 |
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然後常常委員可能不小心讓司機大哥大姐等太久然後就會被開罰單然後我後來問了好幾位有機會坐公務車沒有自己開車的時候發現他們幾乎都是自己繳 |
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我想问一下这个到底相关的法规范是什么因为他们绝对不会是刻意违规因为他们都知道自己要缴那当然他们不小心超速或者是有其他事情那是另当别论但如果是因为等委员而产生了这个罚单的这个费用通常过往是怎么处理的然后我们有没有什么机会去问一下这个事情我不确定是不是在这边适合提出也许也可以请主席或是秘书长说明一下 |
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那我也加問一下就是跟公務車相關的因為其實剛剛雖然已經但我想透過這個可能解釋會更清楚我之前就是因為在會中就是開會結束之後要搭公務車但是後來公務車就換了一台 |
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那我就詢問一下就是辦公室同仁說為什麼會換公務車這樣那是跟我回答是就是原來的原來的那個公務車司機他在返回立法院因為中間可能我們開會時間比較久可能一個多小時他先返回立法院那在返回的途中他就是擦撞 |
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那不知道是誰撞誰但是差狀的部分我想要問的就是公務車司機他們如果在途中可能遇到了一些事故那這個部分的責任的歸屬會是在公務車司機身上嗎還是說這個部分是也放在我們的整個所有的公務車的這些經費當中會去完整的一個處理好 以上 |
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我這邊大概主要因為每次如果在六日有打蠟進來的時候幾乎很常碰到就禮拜一我們來的時候電燈跟冷氣是完全沒關的那就會變成一個在管理上會不會因為如果禮拜六來打蠟那它會經過禮拜天就一整天從六到日然後禮拜一 |
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那我们来的时候 哇怎么整个那个因为我们自己办公室一直谨守这样子的一个规则一定离开可是就发现原来是礼拜六有打扫或礼拜天有打扫那冷气跟电灯都没有关我觉得可能要确定厂商在执行这些工作的时候是不是应该要遵守的一些原则要让厂商知道以上好 以上三位委员提问我们现在请总务处的廖总治处长来说明 |
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主席 各位委員 大家好很感謝委員的指教有關公務車的剛剛的詢問就是依照現行的規範如果駕駛同仁有違規的情況是需要自行繳納罰單 |
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那這個如果委員剛剛所提醒的就是說也麻煩就是說如果各位委員在這個派車的時候能給我們一個比較明確而且安全的地點讓我們方便接送上下車那這個部分也麻煩各位委員跟辦公室同仁能盡量給我們的這個配合 |
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第二個是說剛剛郭委員所提的也感謝關心我們的同仁同仁在出勤的狀況當中如果遇到差狀我們是有保險的同仁就不用擔心同時我們每天都有適當的備勤的車輛讓同仁可以去養護他的車輛 |
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那第三個就是林委員所提的就是說我們的清潔維護這個部分也感謝您的提醒那我們會要求廠商那務必要做到水手灌燈這樣的一個事情謝謝 謝謝委員指教好 那請問各位委員還有其他的提議嗎郭委員 |
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因為這份報告其實原則上看起來就是經費在5月底的這個經費的應該是說執行率也高達了90%以上那看起來好像是非常高效的一個執行但是我看到裡面其實有蠻多都大概六成的支出大概是屬於人事費用的部分很多都是人事費用的部分大概六成以上那比方說是職工的薪資保險退休儲金等等那這個部分會不會 |
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有點過度集中在人事支出反而會壓縮了整個所有的行政效能的空間的狀況我是表達以上的一些意見看法 謝謝我們現在請主計處還是人事處好 請主計處的許進江處長報告 |
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主席各位委員因為基本上本月的那個法定義務支出還有人事費確實是佔我們八九成以上那其他的相關經費的話就是按年度在預算執行中就是我們在有特別的預算那一年我們就會比較多平常的話大概就是基本上就一個橫頻的一個預算額度來支應謝謝郭委員這樣可以嗎 |
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好 陳委員我想要再回憶一下剛那個處長的回覆就是他有友善的希望我們去提醒每一個委員在用車的時候一是給安全的停車地點那二是盡量減少讓司機必須要繳付罰單的可能性那我們民進黨團當然會回去提醒我們的委員可是我還是想知道說在這個體制底下其實那個權力關係非常的不對等 |
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导致于司机们我们是没有正式要跟你们要资料做统计但如果真的统计下去我真的觉得我们实在是对不起这些司机大哥大姐我不知道他们什么可行的方法但我只是要针对处长的回应再次说明那我想看起来目前可能还是无解他们必须自己承担这些那我是觉得很不公平啦那我就先提出我的想法谢谢 |
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請秘書長做相關的補充報告各位委員在任何機關大概都是一樣我自己在考試院當考試委員也一樣那駕駛如果是它違規的話一定它自己要繳發單但是大概我看別的機關大概都相同所以盡量它的駕駛不要去違規所以變成這個都是這樣處理 |
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謝謝秘書長的回應我當然知道每一個在開車的人都不會主動想要違規那當然有一些惡意行為例外我只是想要在此為他們爭取一些可能的對話跟討論開啟的可能性那如果說其他公務機關都是這樣但我剛剛講了特別的情況 |
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並不包含那些他在路上自己的超速啦自己的超車自己被檢取的違規如果那個罰單是因為他為了等待委員而產生的罰單我要講的就是這麼清楚的狀態我只是希望當我們在 |
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接受这些服务跟协助的时候而我们听到第一线的声音是这样的时候我们真的很希望可以提出来有一些解决的可能性但我知道今天时间有限我们没有办法今天解决我们就先这样好不好谢谢 |
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10秒就好10秒就好因为我们听到的就是这些前线的司机那司机大哥有时候他其实不是故意违规而是有委员他可能在表达他在赶时间的时候快转之类的像类似像这样的状况可是如果确实比方说有一些路口他其实是有科技执法的 |
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他可能就被拍到了那被拍到之後這個罰單就變成是他的責任這個就像剛剛培語講的就有點資訊不對等啦那當然我們會自己去提醒我們自己本身的委員那其他的部分我們可能就是還要繼續幫他們發聲一下好 以上好 謝謝本會的同仁跟我們所有列席的官員本次的會議進行到此那我們現在散會 謝謝 |