| IVOD_ID |
167732 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167732 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-19T13:00:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-19T13:09:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ddc1636ead3b8e59340a22deccb9479531a176eedb5d66a3a11bc3fee5f78ef9bfec343d2020f60e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:00:12 - 13:09:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席好我們請林部長請部長 |
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現在外交部針對韓國電子路徑卡把我們變成China跨乎台灣提出反制嘛對不對現在是要在那個現在這個反制做法第一不是說要在僑民的那個居留證上面現在改成南韓嘛我想先確定一件事情因為南韓他現在是把我們標示為China跨乎台灣 |
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然後把對岸標示為 China 跨乎 PR然後香港或澳門他是把後面是跨乎是 PR China所以看得出來就是他其實把台灣跟中國大陸、香港、澳門已經有所區隔了嘛那現在外交部的立場是希望他把就是南韓我們現在也叫南韓把台灣變成 The Republic of China還是台灣 |
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還是The Republic of China台灣還是怎麼樣因為在我們台灣裡面這個包括我們政府也都對我們這國家也好幾種稱呼啊有時候中華民國有時候中華民國台灣有時候台灣那你是希望那個韓國是要標示哪一個是以哪個為主還是三個隨便一個都可以 |
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因為他現在是說你的下一個目的地跟你上一個這個地點這個把他寫成China他人家以為我們是要去中國啊沒有台灣啊你要說中華民國當然也很好啊所以如果是ROC是OK嘛ROC是OK的然後ROC台灣因為現在世界上認定的那個China尤其他這樣列法那當然就是我先確定一下嘛所以 |
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他可能就是少了RO啦如果他是ROC然後台灣你就OK啦但是他如果是他如果是China 跨乎台灣因為實際上 |
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應該也不會搞錯因為上面就是有寫台灣嘛因為我們的英文名稱也有China嘛The Republic不能這樣解釋那以後全世界都不知道我是要跟你確認啦我是要跟你確認說你是希望變成怎樣 |
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就是ROC可以然後ROC台灣也可以然後台灣也可以嘛所以你是用這種最簡單台灣就是台灣嘛所以你是用這種方式跟他交涉但是不能China就直接台灣這樣人家會誤會誤會說是別的地方嘛因為為什麼我要這樣問呢因為我是不知道說外交部到底就是我們政府有沒有一個跟全世界的國家一致性的說法就是說你們以後稱呼我們就要稱呼什麼 |
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那剛剛的部長的講去目的地是去台灣不是去中國的台灣剛剛部長的講法是說三個都可以啦三個都可以中華民國 中華民國台灣台灣都可以那其他國家到底知不知道這件事啊大部分國家都叫我們台灣啊因為你以為目的地去台灣喔丹麥就不是啦這個是其實是比較正常的啦所以你是用目的地來 |
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在抗議 而不是以國家名在抗議你是以目的地是因為他把目的地搞錯怕我們的這個人家會搞錯地方去錯地方 你是基於這個原因去抗議不是因為他把我們的國家搞錯 |
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因為你剛剛一直在扯目的地嘛所以部分是因為這個原因所以這是目的地的原因那你就是要跟大家講全世界講到底要稱呼我們什麼我覺得要講清楚那像比如說像丹麥的2020他是把國籍啦他是國籍不是目的地他是國籍他把台灣改成中國那你也有抗議嘛 |
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駕照或者是其他的證件都會受影響那個部長我如果講喔丹麥是不是葛雲南是不是丹麥的還是美國的部長我現在只是講說就是我沒有支持你去抗議但是你要讓人家知道說什麼是可以什麼是不行嘛對啊如果是目的地的話那要寫清楚不然會走錯地方如果國籍的話那到底你要寫什麼對不對在我們這邊你們 |
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政府就講三種說法其他國家更不會知道啊所以第一個你要講清楚嘛然後第二個我覺得我也不希望說我們跟南韓變成一種惡意螺旋那之前南韓的總統尹錫悅在宣布戒嚴的時候然後 |
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執政黨、民進黨黨團就PO了篇文章他說南韓總統尹行越為了守護自由憲法宣布戒嚴然後說什麼南韓國會被親北韓勢力操控就是發文附和附和之後自己可能也覺得好像太建業興喜把它刪掉 |
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但問題是南韓很多人就對這個很不滿奇怪了 我們國家被宣布戒嚴這是破壞民主的事情你們台灣的執政黨的國會居然在附和迎喜悅所以這個事情後來也不了了之我也沒看到好像民進黨有對這個事情做什麼處分但是當時南韓的輿論就對這件事情非常不滿 |
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就覺得執政黨怎麼這樣,我們被戒嚴欸,那麼違反民主的事,居然台灣執政黨附和,很不爽啊那這個事情,今天這個事情當然他如果做一些事情我們不OK,我們去抗議我覺得正常可是也不希望說一直敵意螺旋,所以我們對於南韓除了有一些比較負面的互動之外你們也積極的想要化解一些敵意有沒有 |
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報告委員我們是溝通溝通再溝通我們都是真的是希望大家能夠針對這個問題來解決所以他們本來是因為入境這個電子卡要整合紙本現在先暫停有這個時間我們才正視我們的問題所以我們不希望這樣的一個所謂的登記卡或者是這個去影響到 |
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我知道你的做法我沒有說我現在講的是另外一個層面我是說因為最近好像跟南韓有一些比較負面的新聞出來外交部這邊有沒有也很積極的去跟李佳銘政府或什麼做一些比較正面的互動有沒有有啊 我們那個邱高偉代表以前是我當總統他是第三局局長他層次很高都有跟他們交涉現在至少見得到人以前 |
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所以在跟南韓 他的外交部連科長都不見你啊而且很多公文的往來是真的是超乎我們一般外交的規範在處理的那如果變好了的話那為什麼電子不是單一事件但是我們在這個事情上要有說如果有往好的方向那理論上來講電子路徑卡這個事情就應該很好解決啊那為什麼會拖得那麼久 |
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拖了一兩年因為你們是從去年開始就在跟韓國交涉所以感覺上應該可能跟韓國關係也不是你講這麼好的也有很好的地方啦真的我們也是在各個產業上也是有合作觀光旅遊文化各方面都有然後剛剛前面委員有問我們現在能不能增加邦交國因為我一直在什麼自由時報看到紅蘆拉斯的新聞 |
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他很關心那個洪都拉斯白蝦賣得好不好嘛然後就一直講說洪都拉斯自從跟台灣但交之後那個白蝦賣不出去啊什麼的然後兩個禮拜前啊洪都拉斯的議長說要希望重新與台灣恢復外交關係那外交部這邊有沒有什麼回應啊 |
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對洪都拉斯人家都那麼正面了我們也做好準備但是他們國家政府的決定什麼樣的一個決定我們當然是也都會溝通所以外交部這邊的態度是 |
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反正我們就看看他怎麼說啦等到他白蝦賣不出去受不了來找我們不是白蝦啦是台灣模式其實阿斯普拉總統他很重視是醫療教育跟創造就業這三項他競選政見他他最重視而台灣的不然我的問題是說針對建交這件事啦就他們都已經有國內都那麼多這個呼籲那我們這有積極的去接觸還是說我們暫時按兵不動我們都有在持續溝通持續溝通中對所以你會有有什麼信心嗎就是 |
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阿有一樣 前面那兩位也在問阿 就是說水到渠成嘛水到渠成 或者是說因為也會有很多干擾的因素嗎是宏都拉斯嗎 還是其他國家因為 說實在齁 那個中國跟那個之前那個宏都拉斯的那個政府 卡斯楚那個他們到底簽了些什麼東西阿 也是要釐清阿這個都是他們需要一點時間啦 因為有對外講啦然後華為在那邊的影響力也是很大 |
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所以你的意思是說沒有像只有十八號他們想樂觀還是有一些因素來不需要克服我們應該說我們也是好 這樣就繼續努力好 繼續努力謝謝 |