| IVOD_ID |
167705 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167705 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-19T10:38:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-19T10:46:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ddc1636ead3b8e59c1f1bfdfceda86409f861acbcf5e15015e5c86e8186f6ced26c4e24d5983e9f25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:38:15 - 10:46:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日兩天一次會】） |
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有請考試院秘書長、劉建新、群衆部長、司部長 |
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我念一段天下雜誌最近的報導給兩位聽一下台灣公職報考數大減10萬公部門運作亮紅燈正讓國家走向惡性循環 |
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當公職的榮譽感消失 只剩血汗與過勞誰還想當公務員無人意識到嚴重性 全民將付出代價這是一場無聲的集體告別在座有很多的公務員的我們的夥伴那事實上 旅長也知道 我曾經說過我自己也是第一份工作是公務員當兵退伍以後 |
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通過高考在公家機關住過兩年所以我非常非常能夠體會這個時代的差別就是以前當公務員跟現在當公務員我覺得那個榮譽感我覺得是有很大的不一樣當時社會或是政府的國家的政策對公務員是非常在乎尊重跟禮遇的 |
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但這幾年我覺得有些東西是改變了好 那我現在要請教一下這個天下雜誌它特別強調缺工的現象缺工啦 公務員的工啦那學界跟媒體也都一直在指出這個問題的嚴重性那我想請問現在公務員離退跟缺額的狀況如何你認為嚴重嗎 |
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各位報告 |
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離退的問題我覺得它跟那個制度設計有關這個先不談但是缺工的部分我覺得它的確在某些部分某些特定的領域尤其是它會反映在特定的區域上面會變得的確非常的嚴重那就這一點所以我們也一直在跟行政院這邊討論因為從教考訓用到流採好幾個面向不是完全考試院決策的範圍那這裡面有大家都一起來努力就怎麼樣可以來提升其實我們有一些工作圈在推動相關的工作 |
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基本上我看到了很多數字我個人是覺得相當嚴重那以2024年公務員的辭職3094人退休9758人人數跟占比都創五年新高我不知道去年的數字狀況如何 有改善嗎 |
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跟委員報這應該是去年2024年的一個狀況2025年的數字應該還沒有出來因為現在才3月份那你覺得呢 以部長你現在有改善嗎退休的部分一定會增加因為我們有追60歲的我問到我知道 是退休我先放的我又問辭職 |
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辭職的部分我想差不多可能在那個數字但是數字真的還沒出來除了說今天辭職退休離退的人數佔比創新高報考人數當然我們已經談很久了 |
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一直在下跌 大幅的減少那其中根據統計 中央部會缺額率最高就是包括外交部 陸委會 訴發部 行政院 院本部都名列前馬為什麼這些部會會特別名列前馬我跟委員報告 我確實看了那個報告那我可以講說 他的那個算法 |
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跟實務上真的有落差 對就分子分母的算法跟實務上的落差那用我們比較精確技術上講他真的高估蠻多的高估蠻多的那我現在問嘛 中央部會如果說他說的這幾個部會不是缺額率最高的那哪些部會會比較高那實際上這部分總署負責並不是那個總署負責 對對對就實際上數字在總署 我再回頭跟你講 |
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其實我覺得報告裡面有點到一些問題也是我在了解確實在我們的公務體系當中很多公務員面臨到的問題包括業務膨脹但待遇不夠那缺二率攀高工作量變大這是惡性循環嘛然後接下來公務體系如果開始淪為血汗工廠大家更不敢去那另外剛剛我看前面秘書長也在備詢的時候也提到一件事就是說公務人員的考試跟一般民間是不一樣的 |
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317.534 |
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你光備考的那個所謂的成本就非常的高所以當你的所謂的民間的公司跟公務員現在能夠提供的保障大家覺得差別不大或是甚至相對來講限制更多的時候那為什麼要花那麼多時間去準備這公務員的考試呢所以這中間就是出現一個我覺得很大的一個落差那這落差我覺得政府實質上我覺得最大責任還是在我們的中央政府手上啦 |
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你的考試的政策你的所謂的全序的政策你的所謂人事的政策如果沒有辦法提供足夠的誘因的話就像剛剛部長講秘書長講的說想要減科來去減少他們進入的門檻可是我就要問一件事情 |
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那以前其實所謂的考試的門檻相對高的時候並沒有影響公務人員的報考的意願那為什麼現在要用到說檢科的方式降低他的所謂的時間成本來增加意願他會顯現現在時代上一個很嚴重的差別嗎Misra你覺得呢 |
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我覺得比較大的差別就是說民間的薪資水準跟民間求職的機會多不多當這個都比較高的時候公部門這邊就沒有那麼高的誘因我們看到某些時候就是說當民間大家年輕人覺得求職比較困難他可能會有來報考啦他也許就試一下但是那個而且在我們上一代的時候大家也覺得說公務員是真的比較有保障那是因為民間沒有那麼多誘因跟這個蓬勃發展的機會 |
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至少我自己在報考公務員的年代那時候也稱之為台灣經濟起飛年代所以民間其實還是工作非常熱門的但是公務員報考那個政府機關工作他有一部分還是基於榮譽感他覺得做這個工作覺得是為國效力是也受到國家的尊重但是我覺得這幾年我覺得文官的所謂尊嚴跟自信心是受到一些衝擊我現在引一些東西我覺得希望我們考試院我們考試院是文官最大的後盾 |
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那媒體的一些報導我覺得你們也是參考一下他說政治人為博聲量廣開議題戰場讓公務員忙得不可開交那社群時代加速輿論發酵速度又讓文官體制淪為回應的螺絲釘那裡面直接點名行政院秘書長張敦涵說一上任要求各部會照三餐回報於情 |
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結果公務體系被迫化身成社群小編然後整天清早然後24小時要開始去分類收集輿情然後變成小編在粉專發文那這個現象我說真的當然跟現在時代改變有關係啦可是你怎麼樣讓公務員今天能夠不是負擔那麼重的所謂的政府的內宣或外宣的工作 |
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能夠專注在自己本務上的一個所謂的經營創造一個好的環境我這需要考試院跟行政院去多去磋商去努力去保護我們公務員的工作跟尊嚴以上謝謝委員意見 |