| IVOD_ID |
167701 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167701 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-19T10:18:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-19T10:32:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ddc1636ead3b8e597b99be8b0c18536d31a176eedb5d66a35e5c86e8186f6ced903534be09e65b475ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:18:31 - 10:32:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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主席請林部長有請林部長謝謝委員好部長好剛聽到你說我在交通委員會我就是為了你來的啦我這個會期就來這裡幾個問題請教我們現在有十幾個友邦 |
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推薦一下我們如果國人要去友邦觀光建議哪些我去過是去過帛琉啦那梵蒂岡也去啦其他國家我不熟其他國家還有哪些國家是適合我們去觀光的 |
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謝謝委員因為您當過交通局長對於觀光很熟我也當過交通部長對觀光也了解我認為我們有12個邦交國當然也還有像友好的像索馬利蘭等等如果說邦交國我認為要區塊化的話一個當然是拉丁美洲有7個國家那其中瓜貝 |
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瓜地馬拉跟貝里斯是中美洲所以我們很常去LA或是去佛羅里達這些地方我認為是可以延長到瓜貝因為是很不一樣的兩個國家一個英語系一個西班牙系第二個我要講的是三聖 |
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聖露西亞、聖文森、聖克里斯托布尼維斯另外一個是南美洲可以單獨啦巴拉圭確實南美有另外的風貌再來就當然是太平洋三個國家你總介紹完我想說你會讀後哪幾個國家我建議這樣,外交部把這12個國家也幫他們做個觀光簡介 |
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讓我們的國人想要去友邦,也知道要去哪裡,去哪裡轉機,安排旅行社有沒有要辦這種團,不然我們就友邦那友邦的,不去觀光,都去投資,就是說觀光也是一種消費,投資 |
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我們去年台北國際旅遊展已經幫他們設那個攤位那另外一個就是確實包括像雄獅等等他們現在就是從LA準備要攔客到貝里斯我也建議他們掛地碼所以我們會跟旅行社也事實上有一些合作不過您剛講那個測試怎麼樣我們能夠透過我們的網頁 |
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還有各方式啊 其實我們很多的促銷活動 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 或是這個芭芭啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 或是這個芭芭啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 或是這個芭芭啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 或是這個芭芭啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 或是這個芭芭啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 或是這個芭芭啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 或是這個芭芭啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 瓜地馬拉的這個咖啡啦 |
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南韓最近遇到電子入境卡的事看外交部也有一些反應現在又傳出包括丹麥那這個 |
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不管你們要怎麼做,或者是說設計系統的人在用的時候,那個國民、國家的名字有一點要把我們矮化,那外交部也做了一些相對應的措施那這當然軟硬兼施嘛,也不能說直接要怎樣現在進度怎麼樣,跟國人講一下 |
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當然最近因為各國電子化政府因為有些不同的系統所以比如說可能簽證是一個然後另外就是戶政或其他的相關的部會那它現在電子化之後就產生了 |
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就是要一致啦 它內部這個時候我們都要去交涉也有一些國家發現因為這個樣子沒有辦法允許我們用原來的但是我們除了表示我們的立場以外繼續積極交涉因此而改變的國家也很多 |
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但是你剛剛提到的所謂南韓政府我們是有跟他交涉因為他去年二月開始就是用電子路徑卡所以我們就必須要在這個時候跟他很交涉就是反映我們的立場以外我想他們已經有聽到了那對等跟尊嚴我們要有一些作為比如你剛剛提到丹麥 |
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因為是兩年前突然間就是他們的這個外交部長就是一個這樣的一個改變造成了我們被矮化嘛那我們當然就交涉那也透過G7國家去溝通那我們也相對的對等 |
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我們就降低他在台灣的外交的特權南非也是這樣子處理我覺得外交就是秉持的這個國家的主權跟國民的尊嚴這樣子來做對外事務的交涉第三個今天看這個報告裡頭啊一期都沒寫到卓院長去日本說私人行程啊對私人行程所以你們都不要寫 |
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我是放在那個台日關係友好交流 但也包括這一項啊藍字來的對啊因為副總統 蕭副總統去的你們有特別寫這樣就叫你有關的 叫外交部有關的蕭副總統那一攤就跟外交部有關係都有關係啊都有關係 好 那因為喔既然私人行程蕭副總統去外交部來的 看起來也怪怪的 |
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所以很好 我很怕你把卓院長私人行程 私人行程可以寫在臉上 私人行程你也要寫進去他是有一些外交上的效果啦 這個是必須要很清楚的肯定 |
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對 運動外交也是我們很重要的一部分最後跟你談一下這個中東這一次戰爭的事情我們有一些旅行團在那裡的狀況當然網絡上面就會出現說有一些事情 |
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像剛才馬文清委員講的,要去找中國的,可以回來中國一直在載人,我們都沒在載人,這次大戰,中華民國在幹什麼,外交部在幹什麼旅行團去到中東,他可能是 |
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過境,可能是轉機,有可能是去那裡工作,有些人是要回台灣了,有些人是剛出發就類似上次去阿布達比有沒有,劉建國委員是不是,你們一團在分臨的阿布達比去轉機,還有一個人他的名怎麼叫,劉建國從頭到尾 |
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聽說都打電話給你,叫你外交部到什麼地方那時候的那些機制啊,我相信當時在阿布達比那裡的外交我們的同仁也都很積極在處理這些事情這一次,中東站的部門,外交部叫這個觀光署啊 |
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因為這有時候是旅行團,旅行團你現在要改班機叫他換地方坐,走陸路到別的國家離開那個地方跑,要去歐洲玩這牽扯到觀光署,牽扯到外交部,各式各樣的狀況都有你要不要跟大家講一下,接下來這個醫療要不要改進,我看你們有一個處長代表 |
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我跟委員報告,外交部就很像台灣的阿信 |
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我們在外館,111個外館,很多外館沒有外交特權但我們拚死拚活,就是要服務國人但是剛剛講,有一些旅行社的團,他要玩完才要回來所以我們有將近兩個禮拜都是後續後面轉機的團,不是原來在當地的啊因為他會給他出門而已 |
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要去杜拜轉機,我回到,他可能九十幾萬,要去澳洲,九十幾萬,你說啊嘛,你回去我九十幾萬要回去,誰要賠我,理行社說我沒辦法賠你,現在也沒辦法賠你,不然你大飯店又大兩天,越大就越緊張,可能你大飯店旁邊,附近一棟大樓都崩潰,所以 |
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有可能這個觀光署在這個過程當中 包括貧寶協會啊這要當成一個規定當中 叫外交部到底你們的合作關係什麼因為國人 包括他們的家人一齣都會有煩惱嘛 他們說要團結啊啊我們中華民國外交部納都沒在處理 啊他們團的人可能裡面一團二十個有夠多的說我們要回去 我們不要去玩了 |
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有五個會說我們還要繼續送,有十個會說我們還要再等一會這個時候腳色是什麼?這齁,就是說酒瓦新啦 |
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就是人家找外館員不會分你哪個部會啦可是行政院的機制很重要比如說你剛講的觀光署嘛 你是掌握旅行社像我有當過交通部長啊 你跟旅行社協調出一個好的方法旅行社和華益港灣喔 你很好做欸我們這邊是在地 有些都入籍了 |
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比如說我們在這個阿聯酋我們在杜拜結果他是阿布達比這邊轉機我們的代表齁 欸 光是冒著槍林彈雨啊還被車騎到救人上次講那個雲林就是這個例子啊所以我是覺得大家去了解之後我們這個在中東的處境是特別困難 |
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所以當然我是說政府是一體的我們就是總和外交吧所以這個有些值得我們可以再檢視怎麼去經濟像以色列就做得很好因為以色列面對戰爭不是今天我們那個大使他是陪著我們的國人要撤離的是躲飛彈 |
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然後還在高下橋下面,那個影片看起來你會不會覺得很心酸的呢?現在馬文經委說了一個很好說的,你要繼續推動,你還做過交通部長,就是說我們這旅行團出去的時候,到底我現在想說,現在全世界,到底現在多少台灣旅行團,一國五國,我們的觀光署現在也不知道,我可以這樣說嗎? |
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有幾團有幾個人啦現在此時此刻在外面的旅行團因為我們沒有登錄現在還有人要去杜拜 |
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這幾天旅行團有些還要出去啊因為我看你們外交部的旅遊局勢政府是盡力啦 但是也是有限的這個部分可能 因為我們現在討論中東局勢國人在問說我們現在到底有多少旅行團在那裡嘛外交部恐怕又要去問我想你可能要問旅行全聯會 阿不然連貧寶協會 |
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我覺得觀光署可能也不知道 |
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不分國家啦 種族啦 大家就一起來這個人道救援像我們講到所謂的徹橋或護橋 |
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國際也很關心比如台海的局勢這個就是我們共同的目標吧也就是說我們政府都要照顧人民所以這個不分彼此所以反而是我們外交很重要的一個可以說撤僑跟護僑的外交這個我們當然是會好好去精進不斷地去檢討所以現在大家要離開要有日本的危機在日本危機在台灣在台灣嘛要有中國就在中國嘛這外交部也要去董事 |
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因為他的選擇,對他最好,他才知道嘛一台中國飛機你不可以借,沒有啦,沒有這個東西嘛就是說,包機啊,飛機啊,反正可以離開那個區域基本上呢,國人安全是最優先嘛所以喔,因為這個,你那個什麼撤離多少人,那些人數每天在統計我跟那個時間點,裡面大概慢了一兩天 |
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就是人家在忙的時候 你們才開始慢慢出現 包括電話類似這樣的東西可能一開始國人第一天第二天就開始緊張的時候外交部以後要主動我們會檢討這次整個處理 現在戰爭還在發生中我為了主持視訊會議 我要求往前去檢討之後 趕快 |
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得出改進的措施啊團在那裡的人 我知道沒有那個資訊歐洲團 非洲團 中東團 台灣人出國的實力很強可能旅行團的家人是台灣嘛 你這訊息如果發出去可能這家人就會傳去外交部 你現在回到那裡有什麼困難 卡住一個電話 |
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這樣就會可能主動然後提早看到就做這個發布讓這個訊息更完整啦好 我們會進入這個整個資訊系統通報等等謝謝 |