| IVOD_ID |
167646 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167646 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T12:06:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T12:18:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053c288e60d64cc18a0d268b4a161496bd9997b7b3c5b8577b3b066f83588e7a26e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:06:19 - 12:18:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、 邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、 邀請核能安全委員會、經濟部、台灣電力股份有限公司就「我國核電廠再運轉之規劃及推動現況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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陳副總謝謝陳如瑋是這樣因為去年我們核管法做了修正三讀之後那關於核電要不要重啟賴總統也召開記者會做出回應所以他特別提到大家不斷提到的三大原則 |
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就是和安無虞 合肺有解 社會有共識那另外呢 也提到政府不排除先進核能也就是剛才大家也有提到的那種比較小面積的這個SMR那也會持續推動能源轉型那我在這邊就是要請教一下 |
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就是關於這個伊朗的戰爭爆發之後很多人都呼籲說台灣必須要加速建立自主能源希望能夠有一些可掌握的比例那就是想先請教我們經濟部次長目前就是這個自主能源哪個最好自主能源的部分 太陽能 光電 |
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所以目前認為太陽能光電最好太陽能光電它的病患的數量還有包括水利發電都是我們最主要的那請教市長因為現在大家對於太陽能光電就是有比較多的爭議發生 |
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那像其他的呢假设离岸风电我们也发展的不错我们大概今年一估可以有5.3GW的这个病患那是什么能源离岸风电那还有没有其他的也不错的增益比较少的是我们现在也是致力的在做这个包括海洋能小水利包括地热这些的发展 |
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因為現在就是大家一直在講核電重啟所以呢有一點點失焦好像覺得這個自主能源的部分好像比較不重要那請教一下次長是這樣嗎不是的反而自主能源更重要嗎 |
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多元綠能是一個我們二次能源轉型重要目標那剛剛委員講說大家認為說核能重要在這個節骨眼中都有戰事那我舉一個數據來看的話無論是韓國或是法國 |
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我以韓國為例的話其實它的這個核能的這個佔比是相當的高的啦那這個佔比那麼高可是它的因為這個戰事的影響那進口的油或是天然氣也造成它的這個價格的這個上漲甚至韓國政府啊還做一個所謂的油價上限的一個機制啊所以 |
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這個事情並不能這樣子來進行連結所以我們現在不僅僅是能源轉型我覺得更要談的就是能源安全的戰略所以我再請教一下陳主委就是我們看到核二核三台電的廚藝計畫已經核定了那請教一下廚藝許可有了嗎 |
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還沒有廚藝許可還沒有好那現在台電和珊再運轉計畫廚藝計畫有說要三月底前送件嗎他有這麼說對所以我想請教一下這個廚藝許可是撤回呢還是是否就不發了還是怎麼樣這方面我想我們高處長跟委員說明那如果台電公司依法提出運轉執照換照申請那和安會就依法來進行審查 |
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我們也會參考國際的做法就是美國核電廠重啟的一些管制核安衛會以再運轉管制為主我想這個部分我們也必須提醒要弄清楚為了再運轉其實我們也有一個運轉執照申請審核辦法我看到裡頭也新增提到整體性老化評估實現老化分析中期安全分析輻射 耐震安全評估等等但是 |
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大家現在很關心的就是軍事衝突所造成的一個系統性風險那我不曉得這個部分目前是怎麼個做法我要問台電 |
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軍事的做法其實在核安會在去年其實在俄烏戰爭的時候它實際上有列一個管制案那我們相關的一些整備包括保安包括恐怖攻擊這一塊實際上我們有提相關的計畫核安會也開過會議那我們有做相關所以有一個管制案所以核安會也會把這個納入去做審查跟委員說明就是有關於 |
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軍事危機下的一些緊急應變那這部分在如果台電公司提出換照申請的時候那裡面的審查導致已經有規範那也要按照既有的法規來辦理我想這個部分大家也都很關心那另外就是關於地震危害的評估其實我覺得這個部分很多包括像我們屏東 |
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他其實很多人都很在意這個問題那現在很重要的就是社會溝通嘛 評估安全也要去做一個適宜的部分那我想這個部分不曉得說台電就這個部分會去做怎麼樣的一個報告 |
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有關於地質的那一塊嗎對 地震危害的評估目前我們正在依照2021年出來的所謂的機率式的地震的風險的部分在進行所謂的危害度評估然後會有把相關的風險值去對標國際上的一些要求的一個標準然後完整的報告也會送給安委審查 |
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好所以這個部分也都有準備吧是是好那我再請教一下因為有一個處置專案的辦公室在推動低放高放的選址那我想請教一下有沒有什麼實質的進展讓我們知道一下 |
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目前我們廣泛的蒐集包括民間的意見包括國外的具體的做法然後甚至在去年召開跟社會的一個對談有四次的會議那我們今年也會持續進行這個工作那是跟誰對談跟民間團體關心這個事情的民間團體 |
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那台電這個地方可以具體的說明嗎在低放這一塊我想委員應該很熟在達人我們去年針對達人鄉的總共他有六個部落可是他的部落會議實際上是有七個七個部落會議從 |
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從南田然後一直到安朔一直到山上的幾個就是它有北山村跟南山村總共六個村有七個部落我們去年呢在每個部落都召開有所謂的低放的最終處置的說明會甚至呢我們也到南田的部落會議裡面呢去把台電未來在南田這個低放處置的部分在相關的規劃也向村民向我們的我們族人做一個說明 |
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那委員也很清楚就是目前來講呢因為依照低放的選址條例的部分呢必須要進行以台東縣政府進行公投那這一塊未來其實必須要配合高放選址條例的部分呢來進行低放選址條例的這個修法才有辦法有一個旋轉門萬一在台東不行在金門烏丘不行的修法所以還是要進行修法對不對對那為什麼我這樣關心 |
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因為要考慮到人口密度的問題所以呢我覺得選址怎麼樣可能都會找到我們的原住民族的傳統領域或地區所以我想這個部分我們很多的族人也都在關注那我想這個部分包括蘭嶼你們有提到說要有一個專用的碼頭的結構補強 |
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這個進度我想因為時間的關係我希望結束之後能夠給我一個說明或是說明資料接下來我就是也想問因為賴總統他回應公投的結果說不排除先進核能那現在核安會下面有一個國研院國研院今天也有來 |
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因為河安會我們看到的是有從114年有投入SMR跟第四代SMR的法規跟選址但是目前國際上也沒有看到正式商轉發電的案例所以我們很想了解就是未來政府或是國內企業要做這件事情的時候它的法制面的準備進度如何 |
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跟委員說明確實SMA目前歐美國家還沒有上轉那核安會會持續去關注 |
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SAMR的發展技術以及法規然後再來回過頭來檢視河岸會的相關的法規然後再來如果有需要強化的地方我們會進行強化所以看起來現在也沒有什麼太大的進度目前我們還是在關注國際的發展趨勢 |
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好 謝謝那最後一個問題就是想要請教一下因為我們有一個行政院國家永續發展委員會下的非核家園推動專案那我們也看到去年的3月有針對這個運作要點做了一個修訂那我在這邊就是想要請教一下經濟部台電那未來這個 |
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我們會往哪一個方向去這樣的一個小組的運作第一個具體就這個非核家園推動的專案小組的部分去年5月17號我們最後一步核電機組提議了之後我們已經之後我們現在沒有核能發電吃吃食客也沒有所以階段性已經我們現在就是非核家園 |
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第二個部分的話針對委員所說的這個核廢料的處理儲存跟處置經濟部定場的在我們的核後端的委員會都有邀請學者專家來討論這個議題那除此之外的話針對於不管是 |
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包括社會溝通包括教育宣導包括敦親募引的事項都在那次的會議裡面會進行討論那我們也希望我們的同仁多去邀請其他關心這個議題的人跟他對話那相關的會議都是我我都親自主持啦所以有任何這部分的指教我們也非常歡迎然後我可以來跟委員做說明 |
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所以這個小組是會繼續運作只是任務會有些許的改變這個部分會在我剛剛講的我們核化端的委員會裡面我們在討論這個事項所以這個小組呢 |
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當然永續會的這個部分我們剛剛講的我們之前所設定的一些的目標我們都已經有階段性的一個成果好那以上我所提的這些問題我也希望說再給我一些書面資料好謝謝好我們謝謝吳立華委員 |