| IVOD_ID |
16764 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16764 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-19,26,22-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-18T08:30:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-18T15:22:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:51:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db7536b190c0b7f68c5e5a7d9476abbdb38b19dddded0b194f917efe8ea7ca998b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟、社會福利及衛生環境、教育及文化三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案。
二、本院委員何欣純等19人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第十二條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第四條、第六條及第十四條條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案。
五、本院委員羅美玲等16人擬具「外國專業人才延攬及僱用法修正草案」案。(詢答)
（第一案如未接獲議事處來函則不予審查。）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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好我們現在開會請組密報告出席人數報告聯席會出席委員30人已足法定人數現在開會進行討論事項請宣讀 |
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討論事項 審查一 行政案行情審議 外國專業人才延攬及雇用法修正草案二 本用人何欣淳等19人擬據外國專業人才延攬及雇用法第12條及第14條調研修正草案三 本用人陳金飛等16人擬據外國專業人才延攬及雇用法第4條第6條及第14條調研修正草案 |
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4.本院委員蔡依儀等17人拟據《外國專業人才延攬及雇用法修正查案》5. |
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本院委員羅美玲等16人拟據《外國專業人才延攬及雇用法修正查案》宣布完畢 |
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本日議程所列討論事項外國專業人才廉覽及僱用法修正草案行政院及委員提案版本共計有五個版本那我們首先介紹在場的委員跟列席的機關首長那首先有我們邱毅寅邱委員好 謝謝還有我們羅美玲羅委員 |
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好那我們今天的與會的機關首長由我們國家發展委員會主任委員劉靜清劉竹偉行政院國家發展基金管理會代理執行秘書葉淑芳葉秘書執行秘書葉子密好我們經濟部政務次長江文洛江次長 |
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好內政部合作及人民團體司副司長陳嘉隆陳副司長好外交部領事事務局副組長蕭福股蕭副組長謝謝財政部稅副署副署長倪立新倪副署長好謝謝 |
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教育部國際教育師代理副司長藍仙茜法務部法制司檢察官楊時宇謝謝勞動部勞動福祉退休師專門委員楊梅盈好 |
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衛生福利部長期照顧師師長祝劍芳祖師長文化部綜合規劃師專門委員王瑞文數位發展部數位產業署檢任計政邱季賢謝謝國家科學及技術委員會中部科學園區管理局主任秘書江曾三江曾斌 不好意思 |
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大陸委員會文教處副處長陳威豪金融監督管理委員會專門委員葛應濤橋屋委員會橋深處檢任視察李美芝 |
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好那我們以上的各機關列席人員請參閱名單那我們現在進行提案委員的說明提案要旨那首先先請我們羅美玲委員說明提案要旨 |
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謝謝主席大家早安為了因應科技跟產業快速的發展以及台灣日益嚴峻的人口結構的轉變還有人力的缺口所以本期提案修正外國專業人才延攬及僱用法期望透過更有台性的制度吸引更多優質的國際人才來到台灣 |
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提升本国的这个产业的整体竞争力那首先呢我们建议修正第四条删除现行条文中对特定专业领域的具体列举那过去这些固定的列举方式呢会造成制度呢无法及时回应新兴产业或跨领域人才的需求甚至造成引财受阻因此呢我们期盼未来呢改以主管机关依实际需求弹性认定 |
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以建立一套更有效率符合需求的制度那第二呢為了因應國際高等教育的多元發展也避免我們錯失優秀青年才俊來台工作的契機所以本席呢您修正這個條文的第六條學歷的這個限制未來凡取得世界大學一定排名之大學 |
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及有特殊專業優勢之學院的學士以上學位者皆可申請來臺從事專業工作那第三呢針對實務上部分申請申請人的選取的就業金卡可是那是因為其他的原因呢被限制入境導致這個申請失效那我們為了避免這個資源的浪費 |
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所以我們在第九條有明定主管機關應於核發前主動查核限制入境的情形那這樣呢就可以強化審查程序的一致性也兼顧申請人的權益跟台灣國安的需求那第四呢我們進一步放寬外國特定專業人才本人及其一親親屬申請永居的條件包括了擴大 |
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居留期间的折抵范围明定在我国就读副学士以上学位者就学期间可列入申请永居所需的居留年限以其鼓励外国人才来台长期的投入那最后呢本席也提出凡在台居住满十年并取得永居的外国专业人才特定专业人才高阶专业人才及其亲属 |
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得適用部分身心障礙照顧與長照等社會福利的資源那這些外專人才不只是專業技術的提供者更是在台灣落地生根組織家庭撫養子女參與社區的新住民那他們的背景為台灣社會帶來了更多元的風貌 |
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也讓我們的社會更加的開放跟有韌性因此我們不應該只看他們的勞動的貢獻更應該提供合理的社會支持跟權益的保障讓他們真正感受到台灣不只是工作的場所更是可以安身立命的家所以在這裡可能請各位委員支持讓我們攜手打造一個不僅具備國際競爭力更具包容心跟人情味的台灣好 以上謝謝 |
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2806.78 |
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好 謝謝羅美玲委員那接下來我們請國家發展委員會劉靜卿主任委員就提案進行報告請主委 |
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2833.045 |
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主席各位委員先進大家早首先感謝各位委員先進對我國延攬流財專用法的議題重視與關心那今天我們就針對本院這個行政院提出的外國專業人才 |
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2853.545 |
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延攬及僱傭法修正案提出說明同時也針對大院何新成委員等19人陳委員亭飛等16人蔡委員易宇等17人羅委員美玲等16人分別凝聚之修正案我們進行以下的說明 |
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行政院在我們國家這幾年面臨的就是人口的短缺加上國際的競爭激烈全球都在進行人才的競爭我們也基於這樣的一個競爭越來越激烈的狀態下加上我們鄰近的日本已經修法兩次韓國也修法所以我們也特別修法希望能增加我國原來人才的競爭力 |
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這個修法的內容我們本次修法的幾個重點第一個重點是第一開放自由工作對象提升企業聘僱意願及來台誘因我們過去要來台灣的話必須要有兩年工作經驗才能申請來台灣我們這次是參考了英國的做法我們放寬全球前1000大大學畢業生來台工作免兩年工作經驗 |
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2930.677 |
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那其實台灣目前來講全世界有三個針對這個大學排名的這個一千大排名的這個ranking的資料那我們是透過教育部針對這三個中整出來一個教育部認定的一千大那這個是參考了有一個公正的標準可做參考那目前呢 |
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我們也會開放前200大的大學來申請個人工作許可那這些是比較更加優秀因為我國目前在200大裡面只有一所或兩所的學校那所以這些都是國際比較基優的人才我們希望吸引他們過來工作 |
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那另外我們也針對這些人才我們也放寬起配偶可以在這個過程中一清那這個一清過程中也可以工作那增加我國的就業人口數原因是我們推估在2030年我們人口的缺口我們工作人口的缺口數是48萬那本國畢業生只能提供到12萬 |
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那我們整理缺口是30萬那白領的部分缺口是12萬所以我們必須盡快來解決這樣的一個數字那再來我們是延長數位牧民的簽證停留期間我們希望積極延攬數位牧民來到台灣那全球目前有3000多萬的數位牧民那普遍屬於高所得有能力在家的數位工作者那目前台灣目前按照數位牧民網站來講目前有將近3000人在台灣 |
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那這些人都是用短期簽證就是我國現在的自由簽證最多可以六個月那再來第二個事情是他申請簽證一次三個月所以目前是用這樣的方式進來那這樣的方式並不具備競爭力相較我們整個東南亞國家 |
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整個比較下來我們建議延長至兩年增加誘因讓他們可以來久一點同時我們也希望他們可以長期的留下來再來是我們放寬永久居留規定提高留台居留的意願我們這是參考日本跟新加坡等地的做法我們希望提高更高的誘因 |
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讓這些專業特定專業人士呢可以盡快取得永久居留那我們的標準也是參考了日本我們目前訂定是以600萬的所得為基準那另外我們建議我們也希望能夠放寬這個學歷低減那尤其是對於副學士我們考量到專業技術人才也是非常重要的一個一環所以我們也特別建議把這個地方納入進來 |
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再來是我們提高勞動及社會權益保障優化我國攬財環境那我們考慮我們整個整體的這個這個國家吸引力裡面我們的社會保險跟我們的這個健保是一個很好的 |
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機會我們也希望利用這些方式讓他們留下來那尤其是過去這些來工作的這些專業人士他的他的勞退只能使用救治就是由雇主負擔但是呢當這個人換了工作他無法帶走他所累積的 |
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這個自己存的錢那我們希望他變到勞退心智的話就可以帶走他的退出帳戶那可以增加他們久留台灣的誘因那另外我們希望提供滿10年的人能夠得到一定的照顧因為他對台灣有一定的貢獻那對於委員的提案我做簡易的報告與說明 |
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在何委員心存等19人提出的部分第一條修正條文第12條跟行政院的版本相同我們建議建請支持行政院的提案那對於這個學歷折抵的部分考量到副學士也是我國培育人才跟我們需要的人才那他過去是橋接到這個 |
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高職到大學中間很重要的橋樑我們建議能夠支持行政院的版本也給予一年的折抵那對於陳庭園委員等16人的這個延攬的專案裡面修正條文第4條第4條的部分是希望增加彈性那這個彈性在我們原來 |
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我們自己我們的法案裡面也有一個其他喔所以呢我們建議可以支持那個行政院的版本喔那對於這個修正條文第6條對於世界頂尖大學修正委的排名1000大跟本院跟行政院的版本一樣我們建議也請支持我們的版本那修正條文第14條對學歷的折抵喔那目前也是 |
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跟本院一樣我們就建議支持行政院的版本那對於蔡委員易宇等17人提出外國專業人才的修正案裡面那全案修正裡面有第22條的租稅優惠那我們尊重委員的提案原因是其實我們目前是年輕300萬的門檻 |
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委員建議到200萬我們的看法是這些人沒有進來我們一毛錢也收不到那進來的反而我們有機會收到他的稅那第二個部分是考慮到跟新加坡香港的所得稅率比的話可以增加我國的競爭力但是呢這個決策單位還是在財政部所以我們還是我們建議會同財政部去研議是否有更好的方案那 |
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也謝謝委員那再來是羅委員美林16人等提出的這個修正案那我們這個部分基本上第一條其中第一項是在希望是在我國領域特殊專長那也是提供我們未來決策的彈性那因為這個彈性在我們原條文就有其他領域那其他領域本身就具彈性所以我們也是建議支持行政院的版本那對於這個一千大的部分 |
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那針對這個獨立學院的部分因為獨立學院並沒有一個全球公正的一個排行那可能會有很多的認定爭議跟不確定性他不像全球大學有三個三個排行可以拿來做參考跟認定所以我們是建議從長計議這件事情那再來就業金卡出現不符資格者的部分我們的查核原來其實 |
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我們在電腦系統就有這個拒絕入境的部分那針對以樂樂法例這個案子來講當時在移民署的承辦人員在看到這個註記先知入境的時候他自己沒有自己疏忽了然後就造成了這個核發這個金卡額沒有 |
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這個對這個已經限制入境的人核發金卡那現在電腦系統已經改成防呆的部分就是當已被注記他就沒有辦法去核發金卡也就是說系統上已經自動 |
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擋掉了就不會再有人為的疏失所以我們可以建議是否就以行政院的版本作為提案那對於修正條文第14條第第20條的部分那這個保險理賠的部分呢 |
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這個部分呢因為過去我自己也外派在國外過其實我們都會考慮到醫療我們大部分都從台灣去保險那有病我們就回到台灣來那尤其就我了解到中國對岸去的特別喜歡在台灣保險然後回來那這個就是因為大家都有語言跟信任的問題 |
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那我們是建議就是說如果他在該國已經有保險的我們還是尊重他的保險但是沒有保險的部分我們就會依照委員的建議要求他們在台灣保險這是我們的看法那以上報告謝謝各位委員的聆聽謝謝好謝謝劉主委 |
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那其他單位的書面報告請委員自行參閱並列入公報記錄我們現在進行詢答委員詢答前原理做以下宣告每位委員發言時間聯席委員會委員5分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘非聯席會委員4分鐘上午11點截止發言登記我們現在首先請邱益穎委員發言 |
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謝主席我請一下這個劉主委國發會好請國發會劉主委 |
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主委很早主委早主委我想我們今天在討論這個國外專業人才纜財的這個延攬跟僱用的修正草案那這個草案其實我們經過很多各種不同的版本各種不同的討論所以你們有沒有稍微去做過一下盤整包括做過一些整理到底從這個法案 |
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第一次三讀通過一直到現在它的成效到底如何它的KPI是怎樣那我們現在要提出來的這一些修法我想每一個人都希望能夠多延攬一些外國人才我們都希望能夠放寬那到底你們有沒有去做過整理現行的規定對於國外人才到台灣來的誘因甚至方便度到底足不足我們如果這樣子修了之後 |
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你覺得會增加他們來台灣的機會會增加多少謝謝委員我們有做過統計我們到2025年的4月底外國專業人才得到有效許可的有55,677人那外國特定專業人才也累積了18,430人那留在台灣有多少 |
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留在台灣的能夠真的留下來的他可能申請來了一段時間就走還是說他來了之後他可以一直留在這裡跟公司在做互動比如說有可能從A公司到B公司這也是有可能啊留下來的會有多少 |
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你可能現在沒有數字啦這個主委您可以再回去稍微整理一下我其實比較想要知道就是說我們讓法令通過擴大我們放寬那真正能夠延攬到他們真的能夠把他們留在台灣的機率的這個數字是會有多少 |
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這些我不曉得你們有沒有算過包括就業金卡我們也一直在講就業金卡的申請過去就業金卡的申請也是手續繁複那我們現在也一再的在放寬這些限制那就業金卡申請到了之後這些申請就業金卡的人他有沒有辦法真的很安心的留在台灣工作就業 |
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這些數字你們到底有沒有那有沒有跟這些人做過比如說座談會啦或者是了解他們的需求或者是了解他們的困難度那作為我們未來在提案修正上面的一個很重要的參考指標所以我相信我這樣問您看起來 |
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好像並不是很清楚有有有 我跟您報告一下就業金卡的部分其實我們有做過統計我目前是13000多張的就業金卡那其中有48%目前是留在台灣那另外其中有將近3000多張是6個月沒有進出 剩下的都還會有 |
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進出的部分那我們特別檢討幾件事情所以你說留下來48%那還是不到那就沒有五成那是常駐留台那有一部分是travel base那六個月沒有往來就是六個月沒有再進出台灣的那大概有3600多位 |
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他是六個月沒有進出那這個有沒有辦法去了解到底為什麼我們其實有他是覺得台灣其實不太適合他的不太適合他的生存不太這整個工作環境他並不適應啦還是法條太多太繁雜其實我真的覺得我們很多的規定實在是太多太繁雜那搞到這一些這些申請就業金卡的人很多都是在美國長大或者是在其他歐美地區長大的 |
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他會覺得我都不知道要去找哪一條法條才能真正幫助到他我覺得這是我們在法令制定上面的一個困境我們總是希望能夠嚴格管理結果那個管理那個法條已經多如牛毛多到可能搞不好連你們自己都不知道要去依照哪一個法條去做申請 |
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所以我其實是比較建議我們在做放寬我當然支持所謂的專業人才的這個放寬但是在很多法條放寬的部分其實你們應該要去修正一些不要把那個法令的東西搞得太複雜 |
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這個是我期待國發會能夠去做一些統整真的能夠把好的人才帶進來台灣而且讓他願意留在台灣發展第二個主委要跟您談到人工智慧島 |
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的這個大政策 這個是未來國家的願景那這個過去國發會也講過說我們未來要在設定在2040年要達到15兆的產值人工智慧島跟剛剛我們提到的纜財其實它有一點異曲同步就是說它需要很多的人才庫 |
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對不對那人才的養成不是我今天推出這一個政策明天就會產出一頭拉股的AI人才出來那要人才的養成要從什麼時候開始培養要從什麼時候開始做要跟哪一些單位合作那我看到蕭副總統在今年的一月份 |
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他去參加這個AI人才高峰會他也特別提到這所謂的這些國發會提出了AI治理框架是不是我們應該要有一些跨部會的協同我覺得教育部是一個很重要的部會是的在我們的AI十大建設裡面有其中有人才是我們的數位基盤之一 |
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那這個部分會結合到國家人才競爭力跟教育部整合還有跟速發部經濟部在社會教育上的整合對好那所以在這一個部分到底國發會是主導的單位呢還是是教育部是主導的單位由誰來統整主導我昨天看到這一個新聞這個揮打 |
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要進駐北市科但是呢大家現在統整起來根據人力銀行的調查統整起來我們的AI人才是供不應求那所謂的AI人才供不應求那這個很可能你要從外面攬才進來那就牽涉到我們今天的修法夠不夠誘因讓這些人進來第二個就剛剛我跟您提到的AI人工智慧島我們自己去育成我們需要的人才 |
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把这些人才从台湾从高中国中国小大家开始培养起来那这一些整体的整个大的政策范围整个教育范围整个涵盖面是国发会会主导吗还是谁会来主导目前这整体的AI十大建设是由国发会提出所以由国发会来主导是已经确定了那这个人才的部分也会我们会来整合各部会的做法 |
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你們大概會從什麼時候開始做跟教育部的溝通協調比如說要如何往下扎根把這些整個AI的教育往下扎根那是什麼時候會開始 著手進行我們從去年其實就開始我們成立了一個12個部會的國家論財競爭力的這個會議那教育部長都會到那另外其實還有一塊剛剛委員特別提到的就是我們也發現一件事外國人進來以後我們沒有足夠的友善生活環境 |
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是所以我們也融合在雙語政策的部分我們跟外教育部我們兩邊合作我們是偏社會舉個例子我們會將來會讓55688有英文的讓外國人叫車比較方便那我們也會補助各個夜市我們跟地方政府合作去補助那我們會有各項活動包括醫院我們現在都已經有雙語那我們希望2030年有70%的地方 |
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像區公所之類的可以有英文服務所以我們都有一個計畫在把這個友善環境給打開那另外外國人有一個抱怨就是說他來到台灣他找不到一個community能夠去問東問西的所以我們也會建這個community在我們的Talent Taiwan的辦公室裡面所以我們希望把這個都做整體性的把它整理出來 |
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所以這個主委這個非常好啊這就我剛剛跟您提到就是說這些人來了之後到底政府有沒有去關心過他們我所謂的關心就是說你有沒有實際跟他們對談過了解他的生活需求是什麼他的困難點是什麼他覺得有哪一些東西是他可以在台灣貢獻或者是有哪一些東西他認為台灣其實在配套制度面上是可以在更精進可以做得更好 |
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然後讓這些人來到了台灣之後他是願意留在台灣願意生活在這裡的我們要把他當成是一家人所以您剛剛講的這個就是大概比較生活面的部分讓雙語讓英文進入到他的生活還有他們子女的就學也是比較繁殖的所以如果這些東西我大概比較期待就是說你們能夠 |
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儘早儘速把整體的AI人工智慧島的這一些整體的計畫包括向下扎根的教育的部分這個可能要教育部提出來但是我不知道教育部什麼時候會把這個部分完成但是我們期待這個部分應該是要開始趕快著手去進行這個已經其實我們在兩週前已經找教育部在談怎麼樣去去扎根我們的學校的AI跟文化教育 |
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我們就希望把這個部分做強化OK 好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝邱映霖邱委員那我們下一位請萬美玲委員質詢好 謝謝主席 我們有請劉主委好 有請主委 |
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好 劉卓長 主委您知不知道我們現在全球生育率最低的全球生育率最低在哪裡嗎就我了解是韓國再來是我們韓國再來是我們 好但是我們根據美國中央情報局世界開曠2024年全球生育率統計每位台灣女性平均只生1.1個小孩有時候生育率1.1再度纏連了全球最低 |
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那麼我想我們政府其實在107年的7月我們有推出一個少死化對策的一個計畫那麼從107年到113年這個總預算經費高達了5026億喔要來改善少死化的問題那麼去年8月呢我們有再度修正計畫這個延後一年到114年並增加了1254億喔所以來到6280億喔那 |
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我們投入這麼多的這個這個經費預算進來計劃在走那為什麼我們的生育率還是全球倒數第一 |
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這個我們這個國會會有做過統計那三十歲以下沒有結婚對象的比例是非常高的那我們也透過教育部我想主委應該是這樣講啦這原因一定很多啦但是我們要去掌握嘛不管這個原因所佔的比例是多少但每一個原因我想應該要掌握我想會後這個主委去了解一下 |
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那但是我想投入這麼多的預算經費再下來了那今年2025年主委認為我們的生育率會不會再繼續纏連倒數第一目前就我了解少子化是我們陳時中委員現在正在訂114年到117年的四年計畫主委我只是問你說你覺得會還是不會繼續纏連這個倒數第一 |
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好我來告訴你好了我想要脫離這個倒數第一看起來其實並不樂觀啦因為我們來看到用數據說話我們內政部最新的統計今年的新生兒這個數量1月份的時候來到9495人 |
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2月1400人好 我們再看到到了5月呢來到了8433人這個是歷年單月新低歷年單月的新低而且這個整個出生人數曾下降的一個趨勢是非常明顯的那麼在過去這段時間當中我們甚至有兩個月低於9000人跟去年平均每個月都破萬人比較它是很顯著的其實就是很大的落差一直在往下所以我們看到 |
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如果现在来谈提高生育率短时间应该是没有办法解决我相信组委应该也认同所以现实的状况是我们在疫情过后这几年缺工非常非常的严重所以世界各国都已经开始进行人才争夺战了那么去年5月22号一样是在经济的联席的会议在这里那么我们寻答讨论过 |
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外國這個專業人才延攬及僱用法的修正草案在當時我們朝野一致認為政府應該是要更積極的向海外來延攬專業人才並增加人才留台的誘因嘛這點諸位認同沒有錯嘛對不對好那為什麼啊政院版的草案要延宕一年之久 |
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這個內部因為有很多的溝通跟協調因為牽扯的部會比較多啦那所以具體的原因您了解嗎那上一次過的時候是委員會過了但是在院裡面並沒有被討論所以我們這次在捐土好 主委總之啊這麼急迫的問題我們延宕了這樣一年的時間其實真的不應該啦好 |
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我们再来看到那媒体都有报道说在这一波人才竞逐当中其实我们是远远的在世界各国看起来我们都是落后的那主委有没有看过在瑞士洛桑管理学院发布2024年人才竞争力的排名你看过这份资料吗 |
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我沒有看過沒有 好我想台灣現在排名是第18名第18名略有進步一點點但是呢其實跟很多的國家比起來尤其跟我們自己亞洲看新加坡 香港其實我們都輸他所以我想我們現在 |
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其实在这些问题上面恐怕有很多的这些原因那当然包括我们在这些为什么会比较弱呢我们公共教育支出占GDP的比例其实也低劳动力成长率也低对外籍技术人才的吸引力也低生活成本等等很多的因素在所以我们今天来修外国人才延揽及雇佣办法我们现在是针对外籍技术人才的吸引力这个指标来看整体我想 |
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這個是只能提升人才的競爭力但是在攬財流財這個部分我們如果真的想要去提升人才競爭力的話恐怕還要整個政府跨部會來做所以我們也希望主委要再繼續加油更加的積極那麼同時我想等一下是不是能夠再請一下我們經濟部次長江次長主席 |
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來請江市長那麼去年我想我們吸引這個我們一直以來都有這個計畫我們還是請主委我們先稍等一下這個市長我想我們吸引外籍人士來台跟留才之外我們還有一個 |
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重要的重點是我們要防止台灣人才外流但是我們根據去年12月主計處發布的統計國人在2023年赴海外工作的人數高達62.1萬其中大專以上將近50萬人佔八成之多然後我們看到在疫情前 |
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其實陸續我們的人數大概都有70萬人其實在這個國外 海外的發展那我們要來防止我們人才外流其實我覺得國防會要再繼續努力好 我們來討論一件事情我們看到台積電現在宣布要到美國投資1650億美元那新建三座新晶園場然後兩座先進封裝設施還有一間是主要的研發中心 |
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我们来看了在2022年的时候我想我们这个次长一起台积电当时到这个美国凤凰城去设厂那当时我们的经济部长王美华说我们那个时候要外派将近500名的工程师三年的合约 |
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我來請教一下那個主委或者是次長都可以回答我們台積電現在要到美國看起來陸續要設置六個廠如果按照這樣很粗略的去算它那是不是代表我們要派可能陸續三千名的工程師到美國去會不會有這樣的狀況 |
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誰可以回答我從產業的角度來回答就這件事情來看會不會其實他也是他不會喔所以我們不會像之前這個台積電去鳳凰的設廠一項我們派了三百名公司五百名公司去第一個場的時候美國人是沒有經驗的他必須把有經驗的人派過去教導那坦白講我去過他裡面現場的我遇到的工程師大概都是有美國籍的有印度籍的有 |
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印尼幾個我今天提的是我們我今天提的倒不是世界各國去到那裡有多少人我提的是我們這邊的人才過去有沒有可能啊像上次我們一座廠我們就五百個人嘛那這一次有沒有可能因為六座廠陸續我們可不可能就是按照這個比例派了三千名公司去不會按照這個比例會不會這樣還是請次長回答一下任何公司一去一定是先把台灣懂的人去教教會了就會回來好那我接下來既然教會就回來我來請教一下那次長 |
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我們現在派去這500名工程師合約三年嘛那現在三年也要到了今年就要到了我們現在外派這些工程師都會回來嗎公司會做相關的調派但是其實在台灣台積電自己就有7萬名員工所以這個主要的人才還都是在台灣那這500名會回來嗎那你有沒有掌握說有多少名會回來這個必須要繼續跟問公司經濟部有掌握嗎 |
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國防會有掌握嗎這個我們不會掌握 |
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我們不會掌握嘛好 我想喔這個台積電到底有多少人我們這樣派出去會不會回來其實是很重要的我希望不管我們經濟部像之前問國科會也不知道國發會我覺得我們是要掌握的我們既不能保證我們到台會不會陸續外派我們又不能保證外派以後他們會不會回來那這無形當中就是我們重要人才的一個流失所以我們今天在討論國內人才這個問題我們要持續吸引國際人才來台 |
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怎麼留下來怎麼去培育他那我們的人出去以後怎麼樣會不會回來我覺得這是一個整體性的問題所以今天呢我們把這個問題點出來我們也希望各部會在我們人才流台以及會不會回來等等我們能夠做跨部會更精緻更詳細跨部會的來聯繫來討論好不好是好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝萬美玲萬委員那下一位請葛如君委員詢答好 謝謝主席 有請國發會劉靜卿主委 |
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主委早我想您最近是當紅榨子雞不只有主權基金還有新時大建設又有我們現在這個人才的重任我想台灣未來50年的發展可能都在您的手上當然還是要透過合作但是我想先請教一下主委 |
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主權基金的設置跟管理條例目前研議的進度怎麼樣因為我們現在有研會嘛所以我們距離休會還有兩個多月也許我們就可以多加把勁我們有很多的充裕的時間可以來審法案有沒有可能這個會期來送進立法院審查 |
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我們組員基金我們目前還在收集拜訪各單位收集第一手的消息那所以呢我們還在廣納意見包括各種民間的意見中所以就是這個會期不會送進來 |
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對 因為我們必須先拜訪到幾個我們認為比較可以參考的基金了解他們當時設計上的想法思路做法跟營運上遇到什麼困難那條例要不要送到立法院 要吧如果有條例一定會送到立法院那都還沒有溝通 現在就開始在喊好 那沒有關係 我們現在看到現在大家對於這個組織基金要動用的資源 |
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但是現在社會有非常大的能量在討論嘛那我想請問一下未來的這個主權基金現在主委其實有正式的表示不會動用央行的外匯成底大家就好奇啊錢哪裡來啊那有媒體報導可能是由財政部來參考南韓或其他地方的案例來發行公債請問是不是如同媒體報導這樣我們現在是在參考各個國家的做法中 |
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所以發不發公債也還在收集意見我們已經拜訪了一個國家我們現在會再積極聯絡我們已經把虧損率給第二個國家了所以時間不確定財源也不確定那我來問一下方向 請問一下主委主權基金成立了以後我們現在看到因為主權基金各國可能都是投資風險稍微較高因為外匯成底可能是風險低不一定 它主權基金有三種一種是以政策為主 |
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好沒有關係有的是財務危險較高啦也有的是兩個合幣是那以新加坡有兩個主權基金好謝謝但馬奇是高風險謝謝主委謝謝不好意思因為我時間有限啦我理解您的意思那像您剛剛提到的但馬奇或者是挪威的主權基金那尤其挪威的主權基金呢甚至近來呢也非常積極地投入這個美國非常關注的所謂的虛擬資產的產業他們甚至透過第三方的基金來間接持有少量的比特幣我想請教一下主委 |
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未來主權基金成立了以後有沒有考慮要直接或間接的方式來列為把比特幣或虛擬貨幣 虛擬資產作為主權基金的投資標的有沒有這樣的討論啊這個應該太早了我們不會去討論這種事情現在不討論是不是所以其他國家有我們現在先不討論您剛剛不是說參加其他國家的意見嗎這是執行與運作的時候的做法所以時間不確定財源不確定執行運作的方式也不確定我們現在在瞭解這些過程中好 謝謝主委 |
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那我想關心另外一個議題新十大建設您也把它拋出來了那本席也非常關心我們國家的AI發展那結果呢針對這個計畫本席辦公室向國發會來索取資料希望了解具體的內容結果我們得到的回應是計畫尚未報行政院無法提供計畫內容 |
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又來一個不清不楚了那我想請教一下主委AI新十大建設的目標是在2040年要帶動15兆的產值啊哇這不是壞事還要帶動50萬個高新就業機會注意喔您提的是高新喔請教一下主委您的這個目標計畫目標是如何算出來的 |
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可不可以在這裡因為我們要不到資料可不可以簡要的向全國民眾說明不然又一個計畫喊出來這個我們計畫抱怨我們等核定下來我們會有一個記者會的說明所以記者會會說明15兆怎麼計算的在抱怨過程中 |
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另外一個事情就是說整個國家未來的發展我們必須找到下一個成長的引擎那以全球的發展來講AI很明顯是具備很重要的一個定位那它也可以帶動很多科技產業的發展跟我們生活的應用好 謝謝那我再問那這個十大建設要投入多少資源 多少人還不確定嘛 對不對我們都有算出來在越沒有核定之前我們沒有辦法去公告也沒有辦法提供 |
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因為我們所知你不提供啊院合訂之後不需要先大家來討論一下嗎院合訂之後我們就會提供喔因為這個合訂過程中所以等院嘛剛剛在另外一個地方太空計畫也在等院合訂這個AI計畫也在等院合訂您剛剛提到AI非常重要那我們就來問啊我們現在人工智慧基本法也在等院合訂啊陳柏惠院長現在去哪裡了我想請問您認為台灣目前是不是 |
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AI基本法現在行政院院版還沒出來喔您知道嗎這個AI的基本法不是速發部已經送前陣子有院討論嗎院版還沒有出來現在還在行政院那抱歉可能我 |
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我有誤解吧我想這個可能不是沒有關係可以解決的我想您要提出AI新十大建設喊出15兆的產值結果您現在不知道我們現在AI發展的尚未法規行政院院版到現在還沒出來AI那個資金已經多少那沒有關係因為這個業務你可以說是行政院卡住了或者行政院還在研議 |
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那我想請教你,台灣現在是不是制定人工智慧基本法需要的時機?看您的反應,你應該認為很需要嘛,對吧?對好,謝謝那我就想請教我想委員也很清楚,我們很多的法令都有卡住AI的發展,尤其是GenAI的發展 |
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謝謝您的這個直白的說法我也非常支持您的說法所以是不是可以跟行政院溝通一下我們應該院版要趕快出來因為這個真的是非常重要但是您也看一下您為什麼會不了解AI基本法的發展其實我們知道原因因為本席對不起我來說明一下您再回應本席查看了一下人工智慧基本法審查的時候的列席名單很遺憾的國發會並沒有列席參與法案的審查 |
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也沒有去做更多的這些參與結果現在您跳出來我先講AI建設是很好的但您現在跳出來說有一個新十大建設對於AI基本法的理解跟過程是缺席的這個您可不可以說明一下我給你時間說明一下為什麼會這樣呢我沒有缺席我是用政務委員的身份列行我說立法院立法院的審查 |
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因為立法院那個是由速發部跟國會在負責當然是以權責來講是以他們來負責但是您要做新十大建設因為我們審查的時候是上禮拜三您的新十大建設已經出來了新十大建設我們是納入各部會的東西進來不代表我每一個都一定要參與到 |
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5097.458 |
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沒有關係我想我們還是有共識的我們需要有一個上位的法規接下來教文委員會也會持續排審AI基本法我們也希望國發會務必派人列席參與審查我們一起來提供意見那同時呢我想我們再快速的回到我們今天這個主題啦其實人才的出口跟進口非常非常的重要我們看到其實之前有就業金卡 |
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但是這個數字我請國發會主委您看一下科技那一欄其實科技那一欄呢您可以看到其實近五年取得就業金卡在科技這個類別的只有400多人平均起來一年那人才赤字已經被各國統計說台灣是負1.5%那請教一下那您現在這個修法三讀施行通過以後一年以後可以為台灣帶進多少新的外國人才比現況又要增加多少 |
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我們的預估是希望增加六千六百多人一年一千六百多人一年六千六百多人好 那我想要問其實我們發現現在我們有得到一些陳情其實有一些非常優異的青年或者未來的人才其實遇到了一些挑戰 |
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因為我們現在第六條的要求是外國專家畢業以後要有兩年的工作經驗這一次提出修法你說把前500大這個畢業生免兩年工作經驗的規定換為前1000大但是主委您看一下這些人依據我們現在的人才條例全部是沒有辦法進來台灣的因為為什麼因為這些是中錯生沒有辦法被排入這500大 1000大 |
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那這個要怎麼解決啊 |
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我們就業金卡並沒有這樣的限定但一年只有平均四百人一年平均四百二十六人因為月薪達到四十六萬那你讓六千多人這些人進不來啊因為我們就業金卡給的是比較頂尖我現在講的是這一次的修法第六條這一次的修法其實在要兩年工作經驗我們借過很多陳情他也可以透過我們的特專就是特定專業人才的特殊成就認定好的那我想請教一下您知道這個特殊成就認定一年核定多少件嗎 |
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我們目前累積的已經有1萬8千多間了一年多少人?去年有3千多位我想主委你要掌握清楚啦齁因為這個各種條款我們都希望能夠有競爭力其實我們也幫您問了啦齁這個到今年5月底大概許可人次大概3千2百多人 |
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5252.687 |
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那也有一些人是進不來的但是總而言之我們看了新加坡有ONE PASS日本有J SKIP其實我們也看到我們在人才的匯聚上面一定要有競爭力我非常認同您剛剛提到的幾點做法包含Community但是我也跟您提出一點也有非常多高階人才來反映 |
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銀行開帳戶遇到很多的困擾子女就學也遇到很多的困擾很多很多這種日常生活上的不便造成這些人來了以後體驗非常差甚至有外國的代表跟我這樣反應想請教一下主委這一點整個配套的措施後端的配套措施能不能也一起跟上 |
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這個我們有在規劃尤其是就學的部分是有些人甚至來以後拿到金卡又回去因為他必須小孩子就學擠不進這個外語學校所以我們有在積極協調一些實驗學校的做法金融的服務聽說是銀行賬戶我們本國人去開都快要開不成了 |
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現在這些外國人去很可能很容易被懷疑這些能不能這個相關的計畫配套說是一起來進行研究這個目前我們在我們的Talent Taiwan裡面事實上有在協助他們解決這個兩件事一個是不是只有銀行帳戶還有一個就是電話卡那這兩個部分我們現在都有在協助 一起在進行中了 |
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5337.567 |
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我想在審查的過程裡面希望主席可以參採本席的部分意見提出更有亮點的版本那也謝謝主席給予相關的時間我們攬財一起來努力謝謝剛剛忽然講我要提版本我嚇一跳好謝謝葛禄君委員好我們下一位請鄭正前委員發言 |
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5349.271 |
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謝謝主席,我想請一下劉主委來,請主委 |
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5357.56 |
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5382.049 |
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曾委員早主委好 主委平安那我想說今天我們是針對那個外國人專業人才的延攬及僱用法的一個修法的一個部分那我想特別針對這個部分來就教於主委一下因為我們針對那個就是就業金卡這個部分那我們其實就是有成立一個那個Taren Taiwan這樣子的一個機構 |
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5383.59 |
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5404.469 |
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那這個Talent Taiwan這個國際人才服務及演覽中心它其實是個委外的一個經營的一個方式對不對是的那我想請教一下從我們開始在做這樣的委外動作到目前為止總共的委外金額大概是多少錢委外金額可能這邊大概 |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5412.065 |
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這幾年?這幾年114年是5350萬113年是3760萬112年是4940萬所以總共加起來大概多少?我加起來大概1.5億多 |
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5425.87 |
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5436.317 |
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1.5億多那總共有多少的就業金卡人次目前是13603張大概1.3萬人次左右那這樣除起來就發現說就是我們在委外金額當中大概1.54億那麼發出1.3萬就平均一張的成本 |
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5444.582 |
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5467.557 |
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就是大概是要1.2萬要1.2萬那本席是覺得比較有趣的狀態是說我們在這樣子的一個Talent Taiwan的一個網站上面他特別講到說所有的申請程序都可在網路上自行完成不需要外部顧問私人機構或公司來代辦那以這樣的一個情況之下所以你覺得說一個 |
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5489.19 |
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就業金卡人士1.2萬的一個成本你覺得高不高這個我們曾經檢討過跟委員也報告其實這個就業金卡這個Talent Taiwan的單位它還有好多功能包括對外宣傳的功能它還有去解決旅居台灣外國人士的各種問題 |
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5508.787 |
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包括前一陣子我們被要求在別的縣市設服務中心原因是很多人要跑到台北來那他們有些稅務的問題所以它不只是一個攬財狀況它還有做一些後續服務的一些動作嘛對不對還有海外宣傳的部分那我想問一下Tayland Taiwan這它算是一個公務組織嗎 |
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5511.598 |
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5532.479 |
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他是一個委辦單位委辦單位他不是一個公務組織嘛對不對那我想因為我在看了一下這部分的時候我就把從109年開始委外到112年成立到目前為止的時候我就發現都是同樣的一家公司在做他資本也不高可是他一開始橫空出世的時候他是 |
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5534.585 |
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就是打敗了台灣經濟研究院的一個競爭的關係然後這段時間來大概持續拿到了我們國發會至少10次的一個標案那也許用變更設計或用什麼樣變更的一個合約的方式或怎麼樣的方式那總共有10次的一個標案 |
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5557.719 |
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5584.909 |
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那我特別為什麼會特別提到這個狀態呢是因為我比較好奇是這家公司他有什麼過人之處因為他是用限制性招標上來的那感覺好像是國發會特定的御用的一個單位那可不可以請主委稍微講一下說這家公司他的一個情況然後目前的表現如何因為五年前的事我可能請我們處長來回答OK |
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5590.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
謝謝委員的一個關心那有關於我們委辦團隊這個背景那其實跟委員報告一開始是我們委辦團隊他們原本是這個方舟福太公司他是在做有共享辦公室的就是共享辦公室嗎 |
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有接觸一些外國人 也協助外國人他們在取得金卡的一些問題那後來我們接觸之後 也覺得他很適合來提供就金卡的服務所以我們有先進行一些前期的研究之後 我們公開招標這過程之中有邀請 可是我們還是公開的招標 |
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5641.19 |
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那我想特別請教你是那個人力發展處處長嗎我想請教一下主委我們國發會裡頭的預算原額總共有520人嘛對不對我們在整個人力發展處整個原額有多少人 |
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5643.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5671.53 |
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我們40位但是我們預算原額跟實際原額我們實際原額只有490位左右那實際的原額是490位嗎那人力發展處這邊實際的原額有多少人40位因為我們很大的比例在國家檔案局也佔了200那我想特別就教一下主委因為我看了一下我們的預算書當中的時候就是我們的人力發展處就是他 |
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的一年的預算大概是九千一百八十三九千一百八十一萬應該沒有錯然後我就發現他用八千九百萬在推動人口及移民政策延展國際人才其中裡面有八百八千八百五十萬都是委辦費用他的委辦費用高達整個這個處的預算的96.39% |
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5700.404 |
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5713.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
那本席比較疑惑的是如果說全部的預算都用在尾辦這個部分的時候那原本這些編制裡面的人他們最主要在做什麼部分 |
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我們我們主要是這個委辦部分主要是在Talent台灣去服務這些外國人士的費用以外剩下的都是在我們內部做各種研究跟其實因為在這個這個像這個處的當中的時候因為他96%都是委辦費那我想說針對這部分我想請主委就是幫我了解一下這整個的一個狀態再給本席一個 |
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給你一個書面報告再跟本席做一個說明那另外一個部分因為現在我們不只是要攬財的一個問題因為現在台灣其實一般的缺工的情況非常非常的普遍所以我這邊會特別提到一個狀態就是以目前來說的時候我們營造產業大概是15個職缺搶一個人 |
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我們看到這邊就是產業供需比例倒數五名的時候包括營造建築位15個職缺只有一個搶一個人那住宿餐飲也非常的缺人批發零售也非常的缺人醫療保健也缺人一般服務業都缺人那麼在職缺人數當中的時候批發零售缺最多可是我們看到一個情況就是說我們要從國際攬財沒有問題我們本席也支持可是我們看到 |
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113年大學畢業生就是很多人其實都沒有找工作或者是不想找工作我們看到113年他的未投保率就大學畢業生未投保率有高達32.9%32.9% |
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那麼比例非常的高啊那我想說請教一下主委針對大學畢業生他們沒有投入職場情況是什麼那因為他們很可能情況他們可能也沒有出國也沒有就學那可能就躺平了 |
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那是什麼樣的情況發生這樣的情況可以請主委做一個簡單的一個回應這個部分我想我們會是不是讓我們會同勞動部這個數據來自勞動部我們來了解一下然後給您一個書面報告因為這個看起來有很多各種可能的原因 |
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是因為我們要國際攬財可是因為我們本國的勞工其實也沒有出來工作那我覺得這是一個我們必須要雙管家來解決台灣的一個勞動市場當中一個很重要的問題那我特別也提到狀態113年畢業的這個數字裡面還有一個數字是有高達將近15%的人都採取部分工時的一個情況他們並沒有真正全職的投入職場當中那我想說請主委這邊再給本席一個很清楚的相關資料 |
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好的因為這個坦白講在疫情之後零工經濟形成就變成這種趴帶制變成全球的趨勢再給本席一個更完整一點的說明給您一個說明好謝謝主委主委平安謝謝好謝謝鄭正前委員那下一位請楊瓊英委員發言謝謝主席楊瓊英發言邀請主委 |
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好請主委楊委員早主委好我們今天針對於全球人才競爭的白樂化那麼國防會呢你們也提出了流財攬財的這個修法那希望透過放寬整個外國留學生畢業後的自由工作權利跟簡化高薪人才永居的門檻 |
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放寬外國專業人才配偶就業的限制以及怎麼樣延長數位遊牧民族停留的這個時間打造整個國際競爭力的一個人才體制但是我們看到當然我們全力支持這樣的一個方向但是我們看到目前國發會你所提出的這個措施呢似乎 |
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多偏重於放寬居留跟工作許可那麼恐怕會淪為空有其表的法規鬆綁所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教沒有看到明確如何能夠解決本地產業的結構問題跟人才 |
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留下來之後呢 你的培訓還有你的這個職場整合那在這樣的情況之下 本席要請教你要如何的去整合整個產業的結構跟人才留下來之後的這個培訓 請做說明 |
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謝謝委員 委員的考慮是很周延的那我們從兩個部分第一個在我們國家人才競爭力方案裡面我們除了吸引外國人進來之外我們也有一個計畫是要降低對人力的需求那我們是希望透過AI所以我們這次在AI十大建設裡面我們也希望產業能夠推動一個大幅度的AI也就是你針對於你攬財留財的時候那你要怎麼樣 |
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他留下來你怎麼做培訓以及我們國內產業的結構你怎麼樣去整合這非常重要這個人才的部分也在我們新十大建設裡面我們也有包括經濟部然後速發部我們都會對於這些人才予以協助跟幫助另外我們也培育自己的人才 |
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你的重點方案是什麼呢因為你既然提出這個修法那所以本席要提問也就是留下來可以為台灣我們的產業可以創造什麼樣的 |
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目標出來這第一個第二個我們也要將所有的這些細項你能夠好好的提出方案才不會淪為稅基流失以及跟我們本地勞工的一個衝突隱憂 |
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請做說明這個部分我很快跟委員報告我們這個稅基它基本上它比較難如果人不進來才會流失那現在進來的人一定會繳稅那它會增加的那跟本國之間的衝突是很低的我們現在失業率是3.3%那是達到幾乎是摩擦性失業就幾乎是零失業那第二個狀況是我們的人才缺口很大 |
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我們到2030年白領缺12萬就是把本國勞工本國畢業生只有18萬那我們總共需求是48萬那白領是缺12萬藍領跟灰領缺18萬 |
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所以剛剛本席也特別跟你提出也就是攬財跟流財這個方向我們是全力支持但是在細目方面我們看不到你的政策實際的一個路徑到底是怎麼樣這第一個 |
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第二個我們說怕會成為稅基的流失您的回答是進來就會繳稅但是我們要看的是更深一層的也就是要怎麼樣將台灣經濟帶來注意這個才是最重要的一個點所以我也希望將你們預計要怎麼做的方向然後書面資料給本席 |
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因為我們也不希望它淪為是一個空談更不希望會衝擊到本國的勞工的一個權利應該要承諾你所說的它是一個互補的一個作用請將你們的入境目標方向方法 |
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詳細資料給本席接下來本席要跟你討論的是內政部有一個顯示本席上一次也跟你討論過2024年我們的新生兒人口是13.4萬人退縮到1920年的一個水準2025年我們預估可能會跌破到12萬人在創下了新低的時候呢政府你為了要改善少子化所以推動了輝瑞宅 |
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那透過了租屋的補助希望能夠提升結婚的意願希望挽救少子化的這個生育率但是年輕人的不婚跟不育呢他不是只有一個我住得起這麼簡單的一個問題因為我們真正的問題看到了結構性的壓力低薪高房價月額 |
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教育的成本脫裕以及職場缺乏彈性還有他對於未來的一個失望跟無力感這些是年輕人非常大的一個衝擊那我也拿到參考了這個韓國他們在20年來耗盡了將近10兆元的台幣他為了要改善少子化 |
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但是他的答案告訴我們他的生育率卻是一路下滑也就證明了你只單靠補貼是沒有辦法去解決根本的問題所以本席要請教這個議題本席跟你討論過了幾次但是看到的數字我們還是憂心忡忡也是年輕人非常大的壓力所以本席要請教國發會你認知到現行會議政策如果只聚焦在補助 |
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跟這個居住它是不夠的是不是啊單純這個部分是有有幫助但是的確它還有再加強的空間有加強的空間所以面對少子化的情況越來越惡劣那你們有沒有去整合跨部會的一個整合計畫從薪資托育工時以及教育方面整體性的一個著手啊 |
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跟委員報告是有的那個陳時中委員最近進行了一個跨部會的一個四年計畫就114年到117年的少子化的政策114到117年對那他整合了各部會來做這件事情因為是他主政嘛那這個資料應該很快就會抱怨核定請問你們預計什麼時候方案會出來 |
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因為這個壓力對我們年輕人來講是壓力非常的大我們要全力來支持而且從根源來解決之那委員是不是我去請問他之後跟您報告這個時間你應該有參與吧你是國防會啊政委主持你們國防會一定要有參與啊我們是有國防會有沒有參與我們有設法處有參與在這有嘛那應該會知道啊什麼時候會提出呢 |
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114到117啊我有看到是因為他他給到各相關部會來做修正提案現在是114啊對 他是連續4年的政策對啊 那方案呢現在已經是114年的6月份了欸那怎麼可能我們主席單位 政委主持你們都通通什麼時候抱歉我可惡 原來我們的計畫到114年結束他是115到118了 |
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115到118正確的時間是如此嗎是嗎因為這個我們一定要好好地協助年輕人請你盡速也給政委說這個議題對我們年輕人來講壓力非常的大一定要盡速提出來協助我們所有年輕人也救我們的少子化因為人口學政策等於是國安議題你認同嗎 |
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認同所以一起加油接下來最後一個議題本期要請教也就是你為了落實賴清德總統的人工智慧島的國家願景那國防會你提出的AI新十大建設的這個藍圖你預計規劃要投入2000億到3000億元那這個預算要打造一個智慧應用 |
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以及關鍵技術以及數位基礎建設的長期國家戰略那預計在2040年的時候要創造15兆的一個產值提供50萬50萬高薪的就業機會那這個願景非常好所以本期要請教你這個計畫重點包括在扶植兆元平台軟體產業還要 |
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這個推動百萬家的企業AI轉型的一個升級那你結合了大南方桃竹苗中部地區台北等六大區域來推動均衡的發展所以本期要請教到目前為止國分會你的具體機制要怎麼樣確保AI十大建設在預算人才的培育以及區域的資源分配上的都能夠發揮最大的一個效能 |
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請做說明我們各項細節都對院長已經報告過了包括副院長秘書長我們都報告過了然後我們的計劃送院核定之後它就會變成各部會大家一致的執行方向 |
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你講的是流程沒有回答本席剛才的提問所以從各種預算包括年度計畫方案全部都會落實下來會落實下來 是面對跨部會的合作以及法規調整的需求國防會你採取怎麼樣的一個措施以避免政策的碎片化 請做說明 |
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我們現在這個都是每一個方塊都有一個主政的部會跟協助的部會每一個方塊都有一個主政換句話說也就是有監督計劃進度跟成效的一個控管整個監督跟成效控管有國安會的這個管考單位在負責 |
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好 你有管考單位在負責本席要告訴你台灣你們說的希望在2040年前達成全球AI前五強的目標 是不是 |
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對的 我們希望是變成我們是全球的AI核心好 這個非常的重要 我們要全力來推動但是本席要告訴你重點也就是你們到目前為止 計畫都已經給院報告你也有歸管單位 那請問你的算力能源 你的AI能源的最佳值 |
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到底是多少你的AI新創你的科技目標你的企業接軌你的目標跟你的路徑是如何呢請做說明 |
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這些都有規劃,國會也公告他在2028年要達到的算例值那加上我們把民間的加進來尤其是我們在NVIDIA在高雄的那個點甚至是比我們國家原來預估的會增加一倍所以台灣的順利將會很快的進到我們進到亞洲領先群 |
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對 所以這個也就是大家看我們要怎麼樣達到您所說的2040年我們是在全球這一個AI的前五強所以根據剛剛本席所提問的不管是算力能源 |
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AI能源的最優化AI的新創科技目標企業接軌你的目標以及你的路徑要怎麼做以及你的監管督管的方式究竟是如何請你也詳細的書面資料給本席那委員是不是行政院核定之後我就送過來好 我們一起加油謝謝 |
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好 謝謝楊瓊英委員那下一位請吳佩奕委員發言謝謝署席 我請國發會移民署入委會來 請相關部會委員長 |
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主委好今天我們要審議的是外國專業人才延濫及僱用法的修正草案在行政院提出來的修法當中我們新增了兩項的規定一個是第六條本來現行法規是規定事件頂大 |
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的畢業生來台工作可以不用兩年工作經驗我們現在新增的是修改為世界前1000名大學畢業生來台工作不用兩年工作經驗再來第二項是第11條就是外國人他最近五年內只要有取得教育部公告世界大學排名前200大的 |
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這個學士畢業者可以自行的向勞動部來申請工作許可那整個方向就是朝向放寬這個修法其實涉及的很重大所以今天我們是有三個委員會的聯席審查那有關於這個細節部分我等會跟主委來討論很多個人會關心說外國專業人才的懶才大家都贊成支持 |
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但是呢會不會成為中國政府派人來台灣工作滲透的一個紅色的管道按照我們現行的法規有中國大陸籍的人士他是不適用我們的這個就業金卡對不對這一點是沒有問題的那 |
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但是呢在這個勞動部有一個說明當中有提到他有一個但書啦就是說就是如果他是在這個台灣與大陸地區人民關係條例這個規定當中這個但是他是第一個旅居國外四年以上 |
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好的 之下列的民眾第一個他要取得當地國籍者第二個取得當地永久居留權並領有有效護照者其實簡單來說基本上就是指海外出生的中國人會雙重國籍 |
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在這個我們剛講的排除之內就它是有一個段數存在所以我們現在為什麼大家會開始關心呢前一陣子我們看到哈佛大學它的這個畢業生代表致詞就是中國的學生將禦絨引起很多的討論 |
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那可以看到就我們舉手邊的資料近年來有非常多中國的高官子女都是前往送往這個哈佛大學來讀書甚至有一說說哈佛是不是中國的海外黨校那所以中國政府其實是有計畫的在安排人士到前往這個世界的頂尖大學來讀書 |
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我們就擔心說會不會呢就是有可能他是中國我現在講的是可能假設性的情況不是說已經有具體案例他會不會是在持有中國以外國家護照的中國人有可能是雙重國籍的狀況 |
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或者是他是在海外出生的中國紅二代那他因為有世界名校這樣子的身份有可能會因此更容易來台進行這個滲透的工作按照我們現在先要修的這個法規像我剛剛講的類這樣子情況的人要來台灣工作的話他會經過什麼樣的審查呢 |
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謝謝委員委員關心的其實也是我們之前很在意的事情所以我們也有請陸委會參與整個修法的過程是不是請陸委會來回答這個問題他會比較精準好 |
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非常謝謝委員的提問以及提醒那其實在修法的過程中我們就有留意到就是中國大陸人是可能會藉由轉換身份成外國籍或者是港澳籍來到台灣的這樣的問題所以我們在修法的過程之中就有建議必須要強化整個審查作業 |
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那其實我們現在針對這樣的案件我們就已經有在強化審查在過程之中我們都會去確定的釐清他的身份人別然後也會確認他有沒有安全的疑慮有沒有符合我們整體的產業需求跟國家利益只要有疑義的話我們就會不予許可那我們後續也會持續的去完善整個SOP確保我們的國家安全 |
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這個審查的單位第一個把關的是在什麼單位就是相關就是在我們的那個系統收案了以後如果說主管機關針對有異議或者是類似的案件的話他就會去會詳相關機關例如說像是國安相關單位還有我們的陸委會移民署以及產業的主管機關 |
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那相關機關會去進行一些相關的清搜然後檢索一些過往的一些相關的資料還有去檢索他們的資料庫如果有需要的話也會去請當事人去做說明提出佐證資料那相關機關再會綜合所有資訊來進行審查如果說有疑慮的話就會不予許可 |
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好所以我們是有考量這個因素我們未來會逐案的來嚴格的把關審查所以我要特別提醒國發會要避免我們海外的攬查制度攬查制度成為紅色滲透的管道這個要特別提醒你們注意委員補充我們對港澳也有相關的規範 |
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是就包含了社會因素還有國安疑慮我們都要主案嚴格來審查好那請移民署會可以請回我也請教這個主委剛提到的我們新增的第6條第11條嘛那我想要討論因為我看到這個我們這個制度它應該是參照英國的這個高潛力人才簽證HPI Visa |
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也是開放英國是開放給全球前50大那日本也仿效了英國也建立了J-Find未來創造人才制度他開放是全球前100大那我們看到日本在第一年這個制度上路之後他的這個來申請的簽證數人數是353人 |
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那英國呢第一年他所開放之後的簽證數是1342人所以這個成效這個數字不大一樣那日本的狀況其中有他的申請的人75%是中國人所以其實有一些相關的討論就是除了你的法規的開放方寬以外 |
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你相關的這個外國人才就業的環境是不是友善那有相關的誘因哪一些的這些職業特別的吸引這些外國的人才我們有沒有去做相關的 |
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這個評估針對英國跟日本這些已經開放上路的國家他們施行的成效我們有沒有做相關的這些討論跟檢討就是說未來台灣會不會我們修法通過了支持你們但是呢實際上面有成效因此而申請的人數會不會不多會不會有這樣的問題 |
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這個因為它是我們初次開放但是過去如果我們把它用特定專業人士跟專業人士來看把200大設為特定專業人士的話我們其實過去因為台灣有經濟跟科技的進步也吸引到一萬八千多這樣的人那效果不會比較差那只是我們現在條件在放到跟日本一樣我們認為在某些領域上面科技這些經濟領域上面我們會吸引到比較多的人 |
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那我們在整個法令我們現在是佔顧是6670位的增加那我估計這裡面應該可以增加600到1000位至少可以增加這樣的人數但是你委員剛剛提到一個很大的關鍵就是我們的生態系統不夠完整就是外國人進來以後我們各地的環境不夠友善譬如說他到比較郊區要去叫個計程車我們的55688只有中文 |
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那Uber在比較偏鄉就沒有那我們現在就嘗試再改善這些地方然後做配套的改善好 那就是提醒你們 支持這個修法但是除了法律 法規調適以外我們的環境 我們的行政的作為也要一起來提升是的 是的好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝吳佩奕委員下一位請張祺凱委員發言 |
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好 請劉主委和姜市長委員早喔 |
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這個要延攬跟僱用外國專業人士這個台灣民眾黨明確表示是支持的在草野協商的時候我們也明確的支持了國發會提這個案子那可是就是剛剛主委在講的我們的這個環境還是不夠友善有太多太多的這個問題我們趕快來撲破那個我們現在用的最有效的方法看起來是就業金卡 |
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對不對 究竟我去做統計發現兩個很嚴重的問題第一個就是留下來的人 竟然有4成都跑掉了這是一個問題 第二個他的產業分配非常的不平均非常的不平均 大家看一下這個圖 |
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經濟部經濟部有提出5加2創新產業嘛那個江市長國發會跟這個經濟部都希望啊這個包括綠能科技亞洲矩股國防產業智慧機械生技醫藥勤繁經濟新農業 |
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5加2可是你發現我們現在發給這個就業金融就業金卡的你看接近一半都是製造業跟一般的這個商業科技業我們一直在推的科技業那麼少18.6%數位才6.2%文化藝術6.2%金融也很少6.2%所以 注意現在碰到兩個大問題嘛40%的人離開了對不對你給他這麼大的誘因了 |
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那顯然就是一定這個環境還是有問題 要怎麼去改善 等一下怎麼這個產業別這麼樣不平均你要強化的那些5加2為什麼沒辦法再多一點 |
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兩件事情 第一個他們為什麼離開我們現在看到最多的還是在於子女的就業因為這些人如果在30多歲他的小孩就學的時候台灣他可能擠不進美國學校之後那我們後來協助辦了一個加拿大學校是英語系的在林口之外就還是很難 |
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那所以我們一直在協調這個教育部我們希望能夠在就學環境上面能夠給這些外國人的小孩子能夠有一個比較雙魚的環境來就學這第一個那第二個是生活環境我們遇到有很多人來以後包括他的配合只會講英文他走到菜市場走到超市走到 |
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或是叫個計程車他都沒有英文環境所以我們現在會強化在這一個部分的整個環境的變化在我們今年的政策裡面希望把生態系統建立起來那另外還有老外是說他們到了譬如說到新加坡他有一個community然後進去問什麼事情都有 |
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那我們現在要透過Talent Taiwan建這樣的一個Community讓大家進到這個社群來他可以去問我要辦電話卡我要辦這個怎麼去做那我可能要找房子怎麼找那我們希望有一個一整的整體的一個生態系統來協助那再來就是在於Joy金卡的部分因為這是一個吸引條件那我們也會去跟企業再多合作去吸引更多但是如果就我們製造跟商務科技跟數位這幾個角度來講的話基本上 |
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應該是有吻合到各方面因為我們很多的製造業它也許是生技製造業也許是智慧機械的製造業但是我們現在會做更積極的來協助企業來做這個事情另外我們也打算再增加一個部分就是協助企業去攬財主動攬財的部分像我舉個例子其實中國的量子是靠維也納一位 |
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諾貝爾獎得主去協助的我們將來也希望做更大的力量來利用這些專業人才來主動吸引讓他進來協助台灣產業的升級主委你剛剛提到那些問題要積極去處理那我看了很多研究至少歸納出來有三個大的問題第一就是薪資跟生活的成本不匹配 |
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確實我們的薪資還是低的怎麼樣去延攬這個外國專業人才的時候這是第一個點第二就是包括我們的住屋的成本或者不方便,剛剛說的這一塊可能要怎麼幫忙,你剛剛說的是孩子的教學嘛對不對其實大也很不方便住屋這個也是一個另外他們對於那個金融這一塊還有他們那個賦稅好像很多人也都有意見 |
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這是三個 這是很多調查報告裡面他們去研究出來的三個大問題我們去解決我問一下姜市長這個那剛剛講這個你們5加2對不對是那麼多5加2的人都沒有進來這要怎麼去強化報告委員我們是經濟部的部分5加2的都歸類在製造業的部分您剛剛表上面所說的科技是國科會他有關於科技前瞻研發上說明 |
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就是五家裡面要盡量再 要不然的話 嚴重的失禁那裡面還有 我去看了一些那個到我們這邊來的外國專業人士 他們有一些建議第一 入籍障礙 這個是一個很大問題你剛才說的 其實入籍啦我們看一下這一張 上一張有關入籍的這個障礙都是一個很大的問題 拘留簽證 |
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連有時候那個家人要來申請這個探親有時候都是有困難的然後有時候要把媽媽接來住那小孩子的這個探親都是看起來我們這一塊真的很不友善但這次在這個部分有強化有強化了那另外他們說什麼連銀行在開戶都有問題喔 |
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不只是語言上,連銀行開戶為什麼有狀況?對,開戶主要是因為全球有一個防治洗錢法啦所以造成外國人的開戶會包括還有那個申請電話卡都會有一定的困難他說他去新加坡,去其他國家都沒有這個問題啊為什麼台灣的開戶啦,還有一些金融管理就掐得這麼緊一般國家是這樣齁,在日本來講,你只要 |
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有了工作就可以申請銀行帳戶跟電話卡為了這個我們在Talent Taiwan我們現在是有一個單一窗口不只協助到他們在電話跟帳戶還有包括他將來報稅等等的我們都有在整體的協助我想 |
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也許我們應該再更強化宣傳那我們希望把我們將來外國人社群建立起來之後讓他們都能夠在這裡把問題找到答案今天金管會有來嗎金管會有有沒有可能金融機構設立一個外籍人才服務的窗口 |
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剛剛諸位共也那個是一個整體的窗口嘛那現在大家都認為說這個我們的銀行問題太那個整個那個聯絡上很不方便有沒有可能設立一個外籍人才服務窗口統一提供身份驗證啊外移這個服務啊還有一些申訴的這個處理是跟文包現在各銀行其實都已經有提供這樣的服務了都有做的所以就是跟他們講找到這兩個銀行不是只有這所有銀行都銀行其實成度是一直在強化當中各銀行都有提供 |
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那另外那個 剛剛在講那個房子的那個問題那怎麼樣幫他們在租屋 怎麼去做一個溝通這方面我們可能可以去幫忙這個我們回去研議 跟委員 給委員一個報告啦因為這個的確 您提到這一點因為我們的這個居住成本是那個我們可以回來一次來 我們來做一個規劃來給你報告 |
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好不好 這個這是一個議題蠻值得我們去探討的我們現在就業金卡我看那個最新統計是到2023年的年底發了6000現在有再增加嗎我們現在是13800多張我們現在一年增加3000多張那現在留的那個離開的比例是多少離開的比例目前呢離開的是6900位那六個月沒有來的就是 |
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六個月沒有來的 |
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所以16000人大概6000人是3900多位是6個月就離開6個月沒有再進來的那有些本來就是商務往來像日本特別多那有大概3900多位是6個月沒有再進出了那這裡面我們調查裡面有很多兩幾個就是我剛剛跟您報告的為了小孩子他小孩子 |
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沒辦法讀書那他他得回去那尤其是特別多的是那個在美國的二代特別多那再來就是他的生活是我們的那個生活環境的的不適應那我們還有再來是他找不到一進來很無助所以我們就這幾個我們都會打包一起一起把它處理建立一個好的生態系統讓他們留下來 |
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本來在2023年的時候有4成離開 現在看起來比例也是接近了所以要不要再加強 好不好人才留下來 要把人才留下來 加油謝謝委員好 謝謝張祺凱 張委員下一位請林依謹委員質詢 |
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謝主席喔 有請國發會 劉主委 教育部國際司 藍代理副司長勞動部 勞發署 蘇組長經濟部 江次長好 來 請先換部會委員早 |
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我想台灣的缺工問題越來越受關注那國發會之前有推估2030年台灣勞動力的缺口大概是在48萬左右那不只台灣我想許多國家也面臨相同的問題那現在 |
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國際間相互競逐人才的這個時刻喔我想台灣勢必要這個增加誘因才能提供更完善的這個延攬外國人才流用喬外申的策略來填補我們台灣的勞動力的空缺好 那今天本席要針對畢業喬外申留台的部分來討論之前勞動部有調查就是近年來喬外申畢業後留在台灣的意願大概有七成以上 |
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那可是實際上大約只有一半左右留在台灣那這次的修法我們會開放僑外生在畢業後找工作期間可以不用工作許可那可以取得我國那如果取得我國副學士以上的學位的僑外生那申請永居可以折抵一至二年 |
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那我想要請教的是國防會預估這樣的放寬措施可以增加幾成的僑外生留台工作那預估可以填補多少人力那這次如果修法通過後預計最快是哪個學年的畢業的僑外生可以適用 |
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我們在僑外生的部分我們希望逐年增加目標到70%想留下來的都留下來甚至我們希望到80%過去僑外生最困難的兩個點就是他在找工作的期間非常短第二個聘用的僱主有嚴格的限制我們希望把這個打通因為他們有很多是僑生他會講中文而且有的甚至高中畢業就來到台灣 |
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那我們希望這些孩子都能夠留下來那所以我們才做這樣的放寬我們希望達到這樣的一個目標讓他們在找工作的壓力沒有那麼大然後不需要說很短的時間就得回到自己的國家去然後有時候就回不來了所以我們想我們這次修法就是希望解決這個問題 |
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那如果說修法通過那預計最快是哪個學年的橋外生可以試用修法通過只要經過公告以後就可以就立即可以試用那我們希望能夠在明年畢業的橋生就能夠這些七成想留下來就七成可以 |
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留下來OK那接著我想之前天下雜誌有一個人才永續頻道的在台喬萬生就業大調查的這個裡面有提及說有學生表達他不大清楚留台就業的相關規則 |
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這裡面的調查裡面就有超過三成的學生表示學校沒有提供任何的協助比較多僑生在台灣的像馬來西亞他們就有學長姐可以傳送一些經驗給學弟們傳送經驗可是近年來比較多的國家來台的像泰國 菲律賓他們就比較少所謂的學長姐可以幫忙 |
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那他們就不曉得要去哪裡找就業的相關資訊所以這部分想請教教育部國際司你有沒有注意到相關的現象那怎麼精進那來幫助僑外生確實能了解就業跟申請永居的這種相關資訊 |
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蓝副市长谢谢委员关心这个议题那的确我们也注意到所以我们从去年开始已经补助有70几所学校成立了就业辅导专业化的这样一个专案办公室希望就是在他们就学期间尽量让他们了解到我们台湾 |
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就是希望他們留下來的一些便利的條件那以及也跟企業合作開設一些課程讓他們更了解我們企業需求的方向那希望來加強這方面的輔導讓更多有意願留下來的僑愛生都可以充分得到訊息 |
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然後決定可以留下來那另外喬外申如果願意留台也要企業願意來聘僱嘛那才能填補這個人力的效果那我想很多企業想要聘僱喬外申但法令規定就如同主委剛剛講的就也很多的嚴苛那其中一項就是他資本額要500萬 |
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或者營業額要1000萬以上的這個企業才能僱用僑生那很多的新創公司跟中小企業是很難達標那之前本企業有關心過 那勞動部是跟我回說像是服務業之類的中小企業可以透過個案的申請來進行可是這樣程序其實是很繁瑣的那如果真的想要解決這個缺工的藍莓之急 我看是 |
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很難處理那我們理解我們是為了要保護本國勞工所以也怕變成人頭公司啦之類的那所以資本額沒有達標的中小企業他真的就是缺乏人力的狀況之下有沒有可能有一些但書的狀況之下可以放寬資本額的限制 |
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這個可能要請教勞發署這個可能要勞動部來回答委員提的這個是我們有接到非常多的反應我們也協調過好 勞發署蘇組長謝謝委員提問那我想這個具有新創事業的資格條件我們現在已經把它列為可以通案會商跟個案會商 |
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那目前已经核准在新创事业的外国技术人员的话也有2400人那这个委员的建议我们都可以在现有的法规里面在跟我们经济部或者是国客会相关的这些产业部会如果有需要的话我们都可以在就个别行业通案跟个人来会上来好谢谢 |
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那接著本席想要再請教經濟部跟國發會就是說低軌衛星的部件之前之於我國真的有很重要的這個戰略意義那這個題目因為本席今天我們在教文會我們的題目就是這個太空那今天我有跟太空中心來質詢那國科會今年是有正式要啟動通訊衛星製造產業化平台的計畫 |
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那經濟部也要透過鼓勵廠商來投入研發那來補助衛星通訊產業的預算又匡列了8.9億那本席認為說打造低軌衛星的這個護國星群相當的重要那畢竟作為台灣基礎通訊設施的這個備援那有關這個低軌衛星 |
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系統性的部件除了我們輔導廠商來投入製造我想也可能要跟國外來採購一些製造的關鍵的元件所以我認為在中國蓄意破壞我國的海底電纜然後意圖透過各種的形式來影響我們通訊穩定的狀況之下 |
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低軌衛星的這個戰略佈局相當重要所以想要請教我們在這方面到底有沒有什麼規劃或者是說因應中國日益的威脅那有沒有辦法來加速這樣的一個戰略佈局來強化台灣的這個全球通訊網路的韌性是不是先請經濟部回答再請國發會謝謝委員的關心我想我們很重要的就是 |
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要鼓勵我們的業者打入國際的供應鏈那這個部分我們做法的話有兩種一個就是用鼓勵研發的方式我們技術是有相關的計畫鼓勵業者做地面端的這些衛星的研發另外我們也主動的帶領我們的廠商跟 |
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國際間的主要的這個低軌衛星的業者有做互動例如像歐洲有很多的大廠這些我們都有協助做相關的媒合 |
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主委有话补充的这个是我们总统在提出的这个新代物产业里面很重要的次世代通讯主要是要打造国家一个更安全更稳更可靠的一个通讯系统那让我们在国家任性上面会更好那目前这个计划也提报就我了解提报到院然后也得到了支持那我们会持续强化在这个部分的国产化的制造跟发展 |
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目前的政策是這樣好謝謝謝謝主席好謝謝委員好謝謝伊金委員那我們下一位請林黛華委員發言來有請國發會主委跟教育部好請國發會跟教育部 |
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好 我們這一部外國專業人才延攬及僱用條例說在本席看了之後我覺得就兩句話第二個就是開放不足誘因匱乏如果比照 |
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這個當然我們都會說新加坡是一個完全百分百國際的城市他們在攬財留財甚至他們會是用一個更高層次的用移民的一個角度來做他們國內人才的補充來講 |
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他們在25年前就一個私城計畫 私執的私城市的城那其實就是他們的移民的一個法規如果就我現在本國現在提出來的行政院版本外國纜財對照他25年前我還是剛才講的那句話就是又因為這個開放不足 |
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又因匱乏但總是我們還是進了一小步那還是進步那剛才您的質詢當中您的對答說這個專業人才外國專業人留下來市城這麼少的原因是因為我們國內沒有雙語教育的環境 |
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好 那本席就針對國內雙語授教權的公平性跟你外國專業人才延攬及僱用這個條例如何兼顧國內雙語授教權的公平性我想了這個公平性什麼叫做雙語的環境它不是只有學校你們現在只開放這些專業人才的孩子只有到私立實驗學校私立 |
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那現在稍微再開放一點叫做科學園區內的實驗學校所以科學園區內的是誰管不是教育部管是國科會管雖然它的課程還是會受教育部所管這就是你所謂的這個只是它的授教你除了這些學校之外我們有沒有雙語環境 |
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同才之間 我這個所謂的外籍人士住在這個社區當中他要不要跟本國的小孩子接觸啊總是要吧 那我們的小孩子有沒有雙語能力啊沒有啊 因為我們的公立學校的外籍師資只限於教英文課 裡面教英文 |
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我們不允許他在英文課之外去教非學科的課程什麼叫非學科要聽好喔不是國語 |
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歷史 地理喔 不是這個 是數科所以我才叫非學科及數科其他的這些外籍的 你們現在都用前瞻計畫的預算來支持我們這些外籍師資的聘用可是外籍師資的聘用現在進到了私立學校 私立實驗學校或者進到現在的科學園區他們這些老師是可以在 |
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數科裡面甚至他要如果大膽一點在一些學科當中去教雙語是可以的可是你現在同樣用國家資源前瞻計畫拼的外籍師資到了我公立學校 不好意思他只能教什麼 他只能在英語課教英文其他在體育課在美術課 在家政課 |
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都不可以耶 音樂課都不可以教耶所以這些本行 那你覺得說你的為什麼你的專業人士的小孩沒有在雙語的環境裡面他根本活不下去啊因為他只限於私立學校全台灣有幾所私立的實驗學校可以教雙語沒幾所耶科學園區的這個實驗學校幾所 全台灣六所 |
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所以其實大部分公立學校的學生是不具雙語能力的你怎麼讓一個在本國的這個外籍人士的子女只有在哪裡可以受雙語學校內除了學校外之後整個我們跟他同儕之間的小朋友玩在一塊的時候是不具英文能力的 |
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所以這重點就是在於我本期要講的是你的開放還不足那我們就來看好這邊呢也針對一些人口結構這都你們講的這個為什麼要有這個法令啊的修改啊因為是國內缺財危機啦以及國際的淨財誘因啊國際淨財喔 |
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那產業全球佈局我們必須因應我們的產業來招攬人才那我國人口結構於2020年的時候死亡人數是大於出生人數的2020年也就是在大概這個五年前 |
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死亡人數大於出生人數再加上燒死化高齡化預計2070年這是你們講的也就是現在是2025年45年後我的人口的都會減少到百分還會再減少40%所以呢我們的產業怎麼承受這樣的國際競爭力我們的產業如何在國際高級專業勞動力的引進也就勢在必行了可是現在成效如何不好啊 |
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留下來的不高啊就是你的法律的開放根本就是激放觀不足然後誘因匱乏所以呢這個都是你們講的好那這個包括了我們未來的產業的重點就是說我們專業人力的引進是要契合國家發展的政策及國內產業的需求 |
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那針對未來產業的重點應該引領該領域的專業人士你們認為要高科技AI本行認為觀光旅宿會展影視文化產業國際貿易這些人才都需要都是需要這都應該要相對的來引進 |
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你們對於外籍教育人才其實你們只講兩個第一個放寬什麼放寬他的退休在你們修法的第27條說准用這些外籍人士只要在科學園區內的不好意思你只有倩語明定科學園區內的公立實驗高級中學 |
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六所 全台灣六所雙語的老師啊 准用公立學校所以私立的實驗學校的師資啊是不行的 是不能准用的這也是你所謂的專業人才所以呢 再來 |
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對於你為什麼讓本就優勢教師資源的園區的實驗中學拉大與非實驗中學甚至偏鄉學校的師資差距請藉機教育是翻轉偏鄉弱勢的最佳工具這是本席非常認為非常不公平的 |
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都是國家資源引進的私資他們的費用都是我國家出的為什麼只有在科學園區內的只有私立實驗學校的老師可以享有這樣的資源只有在這個退休 你這個退休不能只限於園區喔私立的外籍實在不行喔 我認為不公平 |
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好 再來你的教學資源應該不分公司力應開放專業人士可以一起專長任教2030年的雙語國家也不過剩5年向下仗跟培養產業儲備人才我們為什麼要推雙語教育就是為了替產業儲備人才我們看奪落2018年7年前的國教署的諮詢會議你們的專家就講了喔他建議說應該要開放高中職以下 |
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即使是非雙語的學校 你看你們的學者專家這樣的建議高中職以下的外籍師士的朋友不應限定在語言教學 就是在英語課教學為了因應高中職以下的英語實驗教學 譬如說沉浸式的英語教學或者是專業教育的國際化 高中職以下 |
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由各級學校依照實際的教學需求聘任該科目你們的專家學者還正面表列像音樂、藝術、餐飲、城市設計、設計等非學科的專業外籍人士來符合這些人都應該可以讓他們來教專業的科目而不是要求這些人只能教在英語課教英文才符合台灣學校的國際化我也讓 |
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這個主委我想教育部很清楚我們聘用的外資有一個條件一定要擁有這個教師證但是不要忽略了這些聘來的外籍老師合格外籍老師全部都是什麼大部分百分之八九十他都有專業學科的能力我是地理的合格的英文老師我是自然的英文老師我是美術的英文老師大有人在占了百分之八九十 |
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專門指示我是English as teacher的 |
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就是說我是純粹叫英語教學的老師其實是少部分的這個是你沒有善用你引進外資的優勢那教育資源不分公私立 我的本席主張我認為有四個不公平第一個 為什麼只偏立私立實驗學校及科學園區的實驗中學 |
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公立學校的外籍師資一樣是你公司員引進的為什麼不能開放他去教其他非學科的 也就是所謂的數科的課程呢 為什麼為什麼只有私立實驗學校的外籍老師可以在英語課以外的課程進行雙語教學而公立學校卻不行 |
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那公立學校的外籍老師在英語課之外也只也能教也希望能夠教非學科例如藝術跟體育課這個才叫做你善用你的資源啊第二個你說前瞻計畫所聘用的外籍師資僅有在英文課教英文這根本就不前瞻啊你們幹嘛放在前瞻你就放在你們的你們的這個經常門就好了啊 |
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把預算編多一點就好 根本還放在前瞻預算你們忽略了這些外籍師 也有其專業領域可以傳授這個根本就是一種浪費根本就不前瞻 沒有突破性 直接侷限第三個 外籍老師會強國本國老師的工作這一點我覺得這是錯誤的訊息 也是假議題 |
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主委教育部回答我外籍師資的名額是外加還是內涵第二個他會不會占到本國的缺第三個他是獨立教學還是協同教學來說明一下 |
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這個 謝謝委員喔 我能不能先針對國安會能回答的我不要 我先針對這一題 這一題才是重點教育部這邊會有一些團體跟他說你不能讓我的外籍 引進來的外籍師師到這個其他 來教其他的課喔因為他會奪走了本國的老師的權益結果這是假議題啊因為第一個外籍師師是外聘的 |
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第二個 他是外聘 他沒有用到勞基法他不可以使用勞基法所以他也不會占到本國老師的缺而且是外加名額 因為是聘用第三個 他不能單獨教學 他要協同教學所以一個課 你知道我們花了多大的成本你要做一個英文課 是兩個老師一個本國老師 一個外國老師在裡面教 |
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這樣的成本你竟然還不讓協同教學你不善用他你也讓本國老師跟外國老師一起學習啊所以這是你要回答嗎這一題這個可能要請教育部來教育部回答會不會政告本有國的缺會不會是不是外加名額是不是外加名額請回答 |
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是 謝謝委員的關切那這個名額部分我們了解是外加但是今天我們出席的是國際司跟人事處沒有國教署的同仁在場因為這個相當的國教署有啊 國教署專門委員王華盈那是不是請他王華盈 這邊你們寫的啊這個你們給我們經委 我們本委員會的 |
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出席的名單跟委員報告依照我們的各級學校申請偶爾教室聘任的一個僱用跟管理辦法他其實他的原則數其實在規範的第5條他會應該是受到外國語文總結束的限制所以他的原則雖然說是不是在我們的編制原則裡面但是因為學校總結束的限制他可能會有一些排擠的效用排擠誰 |
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就是因为外国语文的结束是固定的那如果说要有外籍教师跟本国教师一起去分摊的话它有一个总结束的限制 |
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那是時數的問題啊他有沒有他勞工權益的問題沒有啊第一個外退啊所以這是假議題嘛你自己你的授課時數那個是你們可以調整的啊你要增加他授課時數也可以啊那個都是你行政命令可以處理啦重點是他會不會占掉本國老師的缺不會嘛你講的不會對吧你搖頭了嘛 |
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對啊 所以你們不要被騙了教育部要堅持你國發會主委你聽清楚了嗎所以今天修法的時候不會佔外籍老師你來教非學科的部分是不會佔到本國老師的缺這是假議題而且是外加 而且我們還明定要協同教學本期也主張要協同教學不是本國老師也要學 |
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外籍老師也要學習 怎麼跟我們融入啊再來第四個 你就要看看現在各縣市在高雄我力推這個雙語教學我已經力退快將近十年了有時是EMI教學的學校的招生績效顯著啊家長反應正向且熱烈 |
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好 所以本席要看 主委你要講一下的話教育部要講一下我直接講 我這邊講的重點這個具體建議要邁向2030年的雙語國家本席主張高中職以下的外籍老師即使是非雙語學校不應限定在教語言課 |
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而且所以未來因應高中子以下的英語實驗教學如曾經式的英語教學或專業教育國際化來講那由各級學校依照實際的教學需求聘任該科目如音樂藝術餐飲程式設計或者設計等非學科講好 |
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不要給我亂做文章喔說要連英文歷史歷史地理自然都要教英文我不主張這件事情喔那個叫學科我說非學科也就是數科的專業學科以符合台灣國際教育法而且有這兩個要求第一個國發會這邊教育部這邊以約聘形式第二個共同備課協同教學 |
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所以根本就沒有佔用本國的錢而且我也善用你中公資源所引進的外籍實資然後呢你們我還給你們一個權利跟各部會去協調一下你到底如果說真的是公私立學校要評估特定領域如非學科美術啦體育啊你們可以來審查讓你們審查你們評估一下要不要去審查那甚至剛才評估的也 |
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對喬外申既然你們喬外申都願意讓他做永久居留的這樣的放寬的那評估讓他以英語為通用語或官方語言的喬外申聽好這句話遵守合法取得教師證的條件之下我不破壞教師證的條件 |
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那喬外申怎麼樣適度的開放參與國內雙語教學的工作機會你讓他留才啊 既然他的母語是啊 譬如說讓他可以上一些學程 教學還是不一樣你教一些學程 但是不好意思 你還是要依現有制度真的要合法老師 你就必須考我們的制度 |
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但是為了善用你的能力你有英語跟通用語或官方語言我如果善用它也留住這個外籍生的一個目標再來所以我提供我這邊主張你的修法第四條本條 |
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本法條的第四條第四項當中的專業工作當中的第五款修改文字改為公私立高中職以下學校進行雙語實驗教育聘請外師可以依其專長任教語言及語言以外之學科語言以外之學科並協助相關教學及教師研習培訓的工作他也可以參與啊所以我不曉得主委你怎麼看這樣本席的建議 |
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這個我們會 因為這個這個全程還是在教育部 我們會找教育部來演繹來教育部表達一下 知不知恥你知道 教育部要回答時候 你要知道你如果再不支持 我們再繼續好剛才我講的是七年前你們的專家學者會議已經提出來了本席111年 |
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也就是現在的四年前我就已經找你們來談這件事情了你們都還有時期的思路喔七年前也講 四年前本席在講今天四年後的2025年你再不開放沒有勞工權益的問題我說教育部你支持不支持本席這樣的提案呢 |
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協議委員建議我們會待會去研議所以是不支持是嗎我們會研議研議是不支持是嗎研議不支持還是研議支持講清楚應該說您的建議我們會幫到後續的一個你是因為來的層次太低嗎專委而已所以不敢講部長沒有來不敢講市長沒有來不敢講因為設計是研議反對 |
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我們是開放的意見我們是開放的意見延逸支持嘛來講清楚你是延逸支持本席的意見還是延逸反對本席的意見我們是開放態度來看這件事開放喔這是你講的莊委好那國發會來因為你還是主管機關啊他說他延逸開放啊 |
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所以本席會提修正動議我雖然沒有提要我提修正動議我們這一點還是會尊重教育部啦因為我們不是教育的專業 |
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是 是 是您這個答案我不支持 我不認同啊如果身為國發會的主委你都知道你的專業人才不能久留是因為他的他沒有在雙語的環境當中讓他的孩子受教育這是你的主因所以你既然說你還尊重教育部如果教育部跟你說NO你就不會去講到說你國際展財的一個盲點在哪裡你要去突破 |
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那你主委在做什麼?我們會去找教育部討論吧所以你是支持嗎?我們會朝這個方向來討論支持本席嗎?支持本席的開放的條件嗎?基本上方向你要延逸反對我也沒意見喔你延逸支持開放本席的這個建議那我就覺得沒關係只要有助於這個攬財我們都會站在那你覺得本席的意見有沒有攬財? |
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這奇怪,你要讓我在這裡錄這麼久,你就不敢說我就是支持你的專業在哪裡你的方向是支持染財,我們基本上也會朝這個方向去溝通好,謝謝,以上好,謝謝大法委員我們未來修法的時候可以再仔細討論好,來下一位請賴瑞榮委員發言那我們是不是在陳秀寶委員發言後休息五分鐘,好 |
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好 謝謝昭緯 請劉主委請主委主委 那個全世界都在搶人才人才相當重要那我們在2017年開始通過這個外國人才專法之後也積極在搶人才那經過這八年我先問一下主委啦你對這樣我們爭取人才這樣的進度跟效果滿意嗎 |
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我們覺得有改善的空間所以我們這次再提修法所以還不夠啦還必須要再努力新教靈國最近的修法的動作來看我們應該要再強化要再強化啦 再做強化啦事實上我的看法也跟你一樣啦我們來看一下整個數字啦2017年到2024年幾乎都有在成長 |
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但是有時候成長2000有段時間好一點成長到6000甚至到9000但是這四年這兩三年幾乎都趨緩了甚至於可能受到疫情的影響等等的趨緩了那我先問一下在這個外國專業人才部分如果我們通過了行政院版的修法之後那可以達到什麼樣政策的目標會達到怎麼樣的效益我們目前疫情增加多少 |
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我們預期希望增加6670位在每年增加6670位就是如果依現在行政院版通過的話會預估會增加我們希望能夠再增加這麼多那就業金卡的部分其實在2018年開始之後也是有顯著的成長一樣每年大概1500、2000、2500、3000大概這樣速度增長 |
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去年大概是增加3000人我看一下去年數字去年2024年到12082人到今年4月13191人那預估這兩三年大概都是3000這樣增長的速度但是這樣的速度 主委滿意嗎 |
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我們現在是不滿意的對 應該還要再就國際在搶人才的速度我覺得台灣在這一塊還要再更積極一點那所以我的看法其實我是認同整個的我也覺得整個太慢了一點就是搶人才特別是我們少此話之後我們必須要想辦法在國內的這一塊的速度不一定有辦法如我們所願的順利增加但是國外這一塊 |
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我們是有一些競爭力應該要強化那但是我們自己設限的部分多了啦包括我們來看一下這次修的兩個第六條其實包括原來是從500現在增加到1000大嘛那第11條的部分是到前200名那主委我想要先再往下跳 |
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我們來看一下現在整個這個排名狀況 照我們講的這三個標準來看的話大概如果要到前200名的的話 大家可能台灣只有台灣大學這個等級的才能進來台灣大學等級的那這些還是只是就是開放他可以整個進來那如果是照第六條的部分你要到1000大 1000大的部分的話 |
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那甚至於他都已經可能有工作有人要請他囉但是如果照你限定一千大的標準的話我看連政大的連中山的甚至連一些台灣頂級私校這樣的水準的還進不了台灣這個標準主委這樣的會不會還是限制多了一點我的意思是說我們如果要真正要去攬財的話國際上很多很優秀的人才那如果我們設限這麼多有些是已經他都已經 |
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你要國外是台大等級的人那如果國外台大等級的恐怕他可能是去美國或者去新加坡找就挖光了對不對就是說我的意思是說你要有更好的纜財的那個的話我建議那個策略上要再做更多的放寬一點這樣才能夠把國際上的優秀人才來特別是有些是在第六條裡面已經都已經找到了機會舉個例子啦像世新比如台灣的世新他在新聞上可能相當專業但是他綜合性不見得是強的 |
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那你這個一排除掉的話國外的那種四星等級的學校大概都沒有機會來到台灣來那我的意思是說有可能台灣的廠商台灣的業者因為請這個等級的人來那就會受到限制主委你的看法呢各位您報告這兩個只是誘因之一不是全部就是 |
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他即使是在排名兩千名的他一樣可以申請過來即使他沒有大學畢業也可以申請過來只要符合我們的條件只是我們針對這最頂尖的部分增加誘因吸引讓他可以更快速的進來那以照現在來看那我先問一下如果照現在的院版的話那你們認為剛剛前面談的這兩個會增加的數會到多少我們估計是六千六百多位啦那金卡的部分會到多少 |
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金卡的部分我們現在金卡我們也在考慮要調整金卡有一個很大的門檻是月薪16萬這個門檻相當高我們有在考慮把它調降到即使到了專業人才的時候6600我認為還是有以現在需求人才的速度我認為還有更放寬的空間 |
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我覺得台灣在這一塊應該更思考美國、新加坡等大家其實都是靠優秀人才而去壯大國家的競爭力這兩個是特別優惠的部分那並沒有因為這樣而排擠其他的學校這兩個是一個指標的條文我的意思是說如果我們在整個裡面來看的話如果在第六條我們能夠放寬到比如說到 |
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前一千五百名這三個我看很多的數字有計算到了一千五前一千五百名的話就等同於我們類似於我們的國立大學的水準甚至我們頂級的私校的水準的都有機會進來那他在台灣都已經找到有人願意僱用他的他在其他國家也是等同我們這樣的水準的我認為讓他進來其實是是很好的攬財的這個啊那為什麼不考慮再做這個我們 |
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的確有在思考過這個問題喔因為譬如說您剛提到中山大學可能就中山就沒有欸就不在1000以內喔但在台灣也是頂級大學啦是啊那我們現在是這樣子喔就我們所知教育部在認定這個部分是採用QSTIME時報這種的連集US NEWS的連集那這個連集部分其實是會有1370家左右的57家左右的學校以去年來看的話那 |
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所以其實會帳面上是1000但事實上可以到1357所以我還是希望在這一塊因為我也會提出這個修法我希望再做一些方案就是即使是6000多人還是不夠我認為還是保守了一點我們可以再更 |
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如果連我們自己我們自己想像中啦如果連我們自己我們覺得很優秀的從輔大到東吳到東海甚至於到這個國立的幾個中山甚至於到成果如果連這些都不能符合到這些標準的話那我們在國外看待是怎麼在看待這件事情就我覺得我們的企圖心跟我們想要爭取那個力量是不夠更何況人家已經有願意聘請的原則在 |
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那包括甚至於你的第十一條的部分你要求前兩百大那我問一下主委前兩百大台灣幾間目前是一間就只有台大一間那我們的標準是定這麼高耶只有台大就是等於全世界其他國家等同我們台大水準等於是全以台灣算是相當強的我們競爭力都很強的我們的最高的最強的首府只有這個等級是我們要的這個部分我們有參考因為我們是參考英國跟日本 |
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那我們訂的比英國跟日本又再放寬一些我認為這個台灣可以再更大膽一點因為如果是專業的人才的話我認為其實到了前500大前500大的話大概都中山很多還不見得完全能夠就是中山這個等級的水準都不見得夠 |
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中山在五百大至少像中山、成大、清大、交大這些人在台灣的標準我們不會認為這是國外一定想搶嘛國外想搶台大、中山、這個清交的或者是成大這些人才他一定想搶啊那我們難道不要這樣等級的人才嗎所以我希望這個部分再做一些的放寬好不好我會提案進來我也希望國發會主委回去再思考一下我希望做放寬 |
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我們再看一下還不講到那邊還有裡面有些的像輔大到淡江那都一千多名的東海 逢甲都一千多名的都排到那邊去的難道這些人如果他有人願意聘請他的台灣的業者都願意聘請他第六條都願意聘請他的難道我們不要嗎我認為不要去設限住這麼多的一些條件我希望回去主委再思考因為還會有時間再來排審我覺得有時間會再思考要做就把那個 |
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盡量把人才我們希望是人才我們只要壞的把他有堵住就是不好的一些弊端我們把他擋住不要利用這個漏洞進來就好但是如果真的是人才真的是我們需求的人才應該要再想辦法放寬讓他進來這樣子才有辦法吸引更多優秀人才來到台灣讓我們的競爭力更加的強化好不好這請諸位再思考那最後我再問一個 |
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我看到整個在AI新十大建設我非常的認同這也是現在很重要趨勢過去的我們半導體產業各方面能夠成功其實就是我們不斷的政府有好的遠見方向來帶動起來那AI這一塊確實包括像高雄在九年前的時候也開始都在推這件事情了那現在也陸續看到了一些成果出來那我只提醒一點而已因為裡面有很多的 |
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包括以大代小包括智慧的一些中心包括超級電腦超級電腦現在也在高雄包括甚至於雙矽谷的一些計畫我希望主委還是要去注意到南北上的一些均衡上的發展不要只偏重在北部而已這件事情上面我希望還是要思考 |
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南部其實從嘉義台南到高雄到屏東其實有一個帶狀型已經逐漸在拉成了那如果能夠拉起來其實跟北部的台北、新北、桃園、新竹這個拉起來的動線其實能量上是會相當強大我希望能夠重視兩大軸心的一個發展我們就是希望這個年輕人要找這樣的工作不需要北漂啦 |
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讓我們在南部中部都有這樣的工作機會所以均衡發展會放在均衡AI的發展好不好這個一定要重視政府的力量用在哪邊其實那個不要讓南部只負責在提供電力提供這些的基礎而是他能夠真正得到更多的發展南部會是我們在暖體在包括AI發展的新核心單位尤其是最大的算力中心所以雙核心裡面雙矽谷裡面其中一個就是南部雙矽谷一個是大南方新矽谷 |
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那另外一個是在我們的暖體產業的發展會以這個高雄會辦的所以大南方新矽谷是在雙矽谷的範圍內對 雙矽谷就是請主委持續的來推動不要關注到區域均衡上的推動這個很重要因為對年輕人的薪資的平衡辦演很重要的角色而且對區域的發展會很重要而且不要讓過度於集中在某一些區域對 我們就不希望這樣所以我們特別希望這也是國家發展很重要的一塊好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝賴瑞榮委員 那下一位請陳秀寶委員質詢謝主席 請國防會留主委請留主委委員早安 |
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主委好主委 |
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但是要如何維持競爭力這也是相關部會應該要謹慎面對的尤其如今因為川普政府的關稅政策我們經貿辦公室正在談判中同時輝達也宣布將落腳在本事科相對的對產業來說是有衝擊也有期待主委我想請教您在這樣的情況之下國發會目前有沒有評估明眼競爭力我們是不是可以依舊維持在前六的名次哪些是我們國發會認為應該要加強的 |
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我們現在要比較加強的是在我們延攬人才的這個領域那所以我們也希望委員們能支持我們這次修法讓我們在攬才人才的部分能夠再更加的強化那這塊是我們目前的首要目標 |
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是增加我們攬財的誘因留住好人才 吸引好人才這個是我們大家努力的方向但是除了國家競爭力的部分我們國發會要留意之外我也希望我們國發會這邊把基本功要做好你們要留意你們相關網站提供的民眾訊息是不是正確以下這個畫面你們看一下這是就業金卡的網站本期發現上面有缺字及 |
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原引的法條是有物質的情況你看一下紅框的部分外國特定專業人才那個才就不見了有缺字的狀況那紅線裡面所列的就是外國一般人才及外國特定專業人才申請永久居留的要件分別是依據外國專業人才延攬及雇用法的第十四條第一項及第十六條第一項但是經過本席的確認外國專業人才延攬及雇用法關於外國人一般的專業人才及外國特定的專業人才 |
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申請永久居留的要件呢是規定在第十四條第一項及第三項本席也去查閱過去修法的記錄外國特地專業人才申請永久居留要件從沒有規定在第十六條過第十六條規範的是獲得永久 |
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居留的許可之後他的配偶未成年子女以及身心障礙無法治理的相關的未成年子女的這個條件所以這個是我們的法院有誤指的這個我想請教一下就業金卡網站我們國發會多久會維護一次這個對我們隨時會更新但是謝謝委員的指正我們也會全盤檢討隨時會更新但是這個明顯的錯誤沒有發現嗎一直都沒有發現嗎你說明一下吧 |
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謝謝委員關心喔就有關第14條這個部分是本人的一個居留的規定那第16條是眷屬的規定所以是分開的規定的 |
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但是你要把它分開一些因為有一些相關的就是他需要這些相關的法律的這些依據的人他去看的時候就是會誤解那因為我們推動這個就業金卡是我們很重要的業務就是我們台灣要在招攬優秀國際人才重要的管道所以這些相關的任務我希望是標示清楚的 |
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謝謝韋文我們會全面來檢討關於他本人適用的跟他的眷屬適用的這個部分你要標示清楚了那所以你們這個去相關的內容再去盤點過修正過你們大概需要多少時間需要多少時間 |
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應該一週內就可以解決好那接下來要就我們全球都在搶AI人才我們台灣如何吸引人才來台這個部分來請教主委根據國發會發布的重要統計資料手冊顯示統計到今年的3月就業金卡總共發了12,941張 |
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但是一半的都合法在經濟領域科技領域大概只有發出2376張換句話說我們在吸引科技領域的人才來台我們國發會這邊還是要繼續努力那我們台灣正值AI產業的這個發展的關鍵時刻國發會跟國客會有沒有針對如何吸引國際高科技人才來台發展的相關事業來進行討論或者說要如何密切的合作 |
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這個部分我們定期有在做溝通那也跟委員報告在這個科技領域是針對國科會的特定領域那如果是進到科技製造比如說在ICT產業半導體產業的話它是歸在經濟領域裡面 |
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所以它這裡面就會有就造成經濟裡面會有數位跟科技那也許我們回去檢討看怎麼樣把它在細分類能夠細得清楚一點你們跟相關的部會還是都會持續的密切的來討論尤其在AI人才上面我們是跨部會四個部會有在溝通 |
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最近中國的百度宣布進行頂尖技術人才招募計畫它聚焦在大模型的演算法及大模型基礎架構這些相關的AI領域該計畫的職位招募將擴增到60%薪資更是沒有上限 |
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所以在面臨中國企業以無上限的薪資條件之下我們台灣要招募相關AI的科技人才也是會增加困難那我們國發會這邊有沒有什麼因應的措施 |
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我們目前有一個措施就是希望透過支持做補助支持然後讓最頂級的人士就等於是我們譬如說以國科會或者是經濟部要主動要求過來的人才那我們就以他薪資的支持 |
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那這種主動挖角的部分我們會朝這個方向去做在薪資上會有更優渥的待遇這樣的一個誘因讓可以有國際級的競爭因為我們看到很多國家都有利用這樣的方式去把諾貝爾獎得主等等的吸引過來來做這個事情的讓產業能夠發展所以我們也希望強化在這個領域 |
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其實我們在吸引國際人才的時候說薪資這樣子一個很重要的一個項目之外我們其實還是可以提供一些額外的誘因來吸引這些人才例如說自由的民主這個還是世界競爭力聯報認證的台灣的自由是第一的然後獨特的文化還有便捷生活以及我們很有人情或者是相關的溫暖都可以是我們台灣的優勢所以這邊也希望說國發會這邊我們更積極的來辦理 |
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好 那主委您請回我想請中科管理局的江祖密來 請江祖密 |
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主委好主委好這次我們外國專業人才延攬及僱用法第27條增訂了實驗中學外籍教師准用公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例可以擇一來支領一次退休金或是月退休金提升實驗中學外籍教師的保障這個本席的熱鍵期程我是支持的 |
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但未來各科學園區遇見還要持續增設雙語班的部分目前我們在招聘外籍教師有沒有遇到什麼困難 |
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其實我們現在在正聘這些老師的時候因為沒有這27條的相當相關保障嘛那所以就會造成老師流動率比較高那我們的實驗中學每年暑假大概都要到國外再去領選甄選這些老師所以希望我們是透過這樣的保障措施讓園區的這個雙語 |
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部的這些教育還有發展能夠更加的完整然後發展能夠更加的主面的意思是說我們透過這樣的修法我們增加它的保障所以對我們延攬人才教師就會比較有利那本席這邊也向國科會確認未來外籍教師的公題退輔金額將由國科會這邊負擔 |
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那除了高科時鐘現在還沒有外籍教師之外目前大概年增700多萬的預算但是在全數聘滿的情況下像加科時鐘還要再增加10元平科時鐘要增加10元加科時鐘增加11元還有高科時鐘有12元還沒有聘進來如果我們是滿額的話預算會更多那我們相關的預算是不是也要去能夠相關 |
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可以足夠來支應是的 相關的部分我們到時候會看各個學年度所增加的人數然後再來同籌一些相關經費的需求好 那除了外籍教師的薪資保障之外本期這邊也希望各管理局我們要留意實驗中學的這些相關的教學環境希望師生的權益我們都能夠兼顧都能夠保障以上 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝秀巴委員那我們先休息5分鐘 |
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現在製造業 |
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他就說 工他就說 工他就說 工他就說 |
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然後再來就是說,它的選擇的櫃子都是可以用的一個是都用的,一個是需求的,超貴的 |
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因為這樣子是需求的,一定要先注意的我看我還沒按好沒有用不會啦,就來給你機會了對啊,不錯三次三次,所以我們要再更多的 |
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中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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一切一切加加一切一切加加一 |
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這個很小的,因為想要維修 |
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这边都好细腻,不败啊 |
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來,還是不要坐在那邊,所以主要是要用麥克風上,所以站起來,一跳就站起來 |
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這個很好用 |
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對他來講,他應該是一個很積極的教授 |
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好 我們繼續開會那下一位請呂玉玲委員質詢謝謝主席 請劉主委請主委 |
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主委我們今天特別排審要外國專業人才的延攬跟雇用法的修正那尤其是因為面對著少子化跟高齡化的趨勢所以人才有短缺的情形非常的嚴重 |
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那所以我們希望我們在整體國家的經濟方面跟人才的人工智慧方面的發展我們還有半導體等等這些的研發的量能我們需要很多的外國人才進來我們這邊所以我們對人才的協助跟產業的轉型 |
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這就是我們這次針對修法看如何去放寬或者是能夠鬆綁讓人才可以進來的方式不管是他的工作限制啦或者永久的居留或者是社會的保障等等這些層面都是我們努力的方向那尤其是讓他們能夠留在台灣生根這還最重要的所以我們很多的計畫都要 |
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趕快的來做一個規劃讓他們有些誘因可以引導他們能夠進來我們的台灣那可是因為之前有這個新冠疫情的關係讓很多的工作都情態上都有改變那尤其是遠端工作也變成一個常態那我今天要提的這個人才部分的話是針對於 |
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數位這個游牧的這個風氣現在慢慢的在全世界全球都已經興起了沒有固定的工作室或者辦公室就是提了一台電腦就可以在世界各地來做一個工作那針對這一方面的話大概全球上有這樣子工作性質的大概有3500萬人在數位牧民 |
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主委你知道數位牧民嗎我知道那尤其是在這個1月份的時候你們有提出來這個數位遊民來這個簽證的話遊牧的簽證有半年的時間那現在我們要提的就是說這個半年要提高到兩年的時間能夠吸引他們能夠留在台灣時間會能夠更久能夠幫助我們產業的轉型或者是我們地方的創生等等這些方面 |
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我們看到這個數位游牧的這個簽證這個方式也是我們延攬人才最快速的一個方法但是在這個人才的延攬跟這個僱用法的第14條裡面特別有提到這個游牧簽證這個數位牧民的這個造訪台灣的一個方式但是我想請問一下因為你一月份就公布了 |
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我快先請問一些數據喔這個1月份到現在6月囉有半年囉如果說1月份就簽證的話到現在半年時間也到了請問主委現在有多少人來辦這個申請這個遊牧簽證的我先跟委員報告我們在國際上有一個網站是讓數位牧民去去公告他分享他現在人在哪個地方是 擔任數位牧民那目前這個網站上面大概有3000人在台灣 |
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來臺灣申請的嗎?不是,他註記他...我是請問來臺灣申請的?我跟委員說明...錢就很多啊,錢就三千五百萬啊那委員我跟您報告因為當時我們公告的時候法令被沒有修改所以我們現在...法令是六個月是嗎?我們的六個月是跟一般的簽證是一樣的你1月1號公告是六個月嗎? |
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那有一些國家的人進來的時候呢這個六個月是利用現有的法令所以有些人過來的時候所以我請問你一月份到現在有多少人申請了對 我跟您說明喔他現在過來的時候他本身你沒有數據是不是啊他不用簽他不用申請數位移民簽證就可以有六十天的國家也不算少數這是六十天 六個月 我講六個月對 |
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就六個月一樣 它造成它並沒有太好的誘因那所以我們才希望比照 比照鄰近的國家那你有數據嗎 有人來申請嗎 優木簽證 |
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主委 我一直問你我的辦公室也跟你們要資料你們一直都沒有提供資料是因為這個成效不好還是你們數字很難看你一直不肯提供出來的因為我們在推動的過程中有沒有 有人申請嗎問你有沒有人申請因為在推動的過程中有不同的方式可以進來都是達到現在的六個月所以它沒有辦法有一個準確的數據但是等我們這個法令如果過 |
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那數位牧民就會透過這個來申請各種方式過來都有申請我現在是請問你1月1號公布的遊牧簽證有人來申請嗎有沒有人 主委針對我的問題有沒有人來申請委員你應該看有多少人待在台灣那網站上公告出來的是3000人 |
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所以我剛剛問你嘛 是三千人來台灣嗎 你說不是三千人目前在台灣擔任數位牧民是在數位牧民網站上的我就要這個數據嘛 三千人所以他們三千人雖然到台灣但是沒有申請游牧簽證你的意思是這樣子嗎他未必會申請那個游牧簽證通過別的方式 但是就沒有游牧簽證所以你這樣好 你這樣政策沒有人去跟你申請因為我們並沒有 我們當時是一個過渡型的方案 |
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所以我們在決定做的時候還沒有進行這個修法那我們利用這次的修法就會有游牧簽證我們就開始招攬數位牧民進來我們公告就是我們推動數位牧民我們希望吸引數位牧民也跟委員報告 |
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我們在台南台東我們都有正式的活動然後跟縣市合作我們也辦超過十場我們在上個禮拜我們也辦了我們在亞洲的一個數位牧民那我們也跟日本跟韓國都簽了一個互相介紹數位牧民的活動所以這一切都在努力的進行中剛剛在你的口中有說到那我希望委員也要能夠支持這樣的活動 |
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我非常支持 所以我今天才針對這個問題我們擔心著我們國內的人才不足的問題所以我今天請教主委你剛才說郵募簽證郵募簽證我再問你旁邊的人也可以提供給主委資料有沒有人來申請郵募簽證現在各國郵募簽證都是一年到兩年我們台灣申請郵募簽證主委 有沒有提供資料給主委嗎有沒有提供資料給主委主委沒有人來申請 一個都沒有 |
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我們有來申請 但是我們需要再去統計多少人我們需要再去統計 可是這個統計數字我跟您有資料可以高手了 你到今天還不知道我們會問你這個問題嗎你資料都被我提供給我們辦公室我們只是要告訴委員 這個數字目前是不精準的因為它有不同的管道進來 |
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但是我們將來數位牧民的核准之後他要擔任的就只有這條路可以進來您可以上網去查目前有3000人呆在台灣3000個數位牧民呆在台灣您可以上網去查 |
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那委員請問一下申請簽證比較重要還是待在台灣比較重要?當然待在台灣比較重要啊所以我們應該重視這三簽證怎麼樣讓它可以做得更好所以他們沒有跟你申請遊牧簽證但是它是數位牧民它叫做數位牧民啊你們有給它個名稱叫數位牧民嘛對不對這不是我們給的這是規矩通用的 |
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沒有人來申請游牧簽證但是載到台灣數位牧民有三千人是這樣子的意思我們已經在招攬我們辦了十場活動在吸引這些人進來主委不要再跟我辯解了你會後提供我數據 |
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會後提供數據好不好你提供給我數據來申請遊牧簽證的人有多少人現在單單你剛才講說有3000名叫數位牧民OK這些數據你都明確給我那我接下來 |
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我們跟主委要討論的是我非常重視這個數位這個牧民來到台灣可以協助我們產業的轉型可以協助地方的創生但是我們怎麼樣讓他留下來不要說六個月六十天完畢之後就走人了 |
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目前有三千人留在台灣還是他們也可以回到他們的國家也可以去到國外去 別的國家去做這個牧民 數位牧民在留在台灣目前你怎麼 他沒有跟你申請你怎麼知道他就是數位牧民留在台灣有三千人這個數據非常精準 |
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然後接下來我要請問主委就是說那你怎麼樣的誘因讓他能夠留在台灣因為他們來到我這邊你看就三千人就好了他們的十一住行能夠幫助台灣的經濟還有幫助台灣的觀光體驗台灣的生活你體驗台灣生活怎麼讓他能夠留下來喜歡台灣留下來幫助我們的產業這才是我們最重要的訴求對不對 |
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是不是那現在他們的環境上來到台灣你看他一待就要兩個月60天不是60天就是6個月未來我們修法可能提高提高到兩年的時間他們這些時間留在台灣的人不可能都住到大飯店裡面去對不對那他們的旅宿的問題跟他們居住的問題就是很重要的在這點上你們有沒有特別優惠跟協助他們的 |
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有的我們現在目前已經跟兩個縣市已經在合作就是台南跟台東那台南提供他們共享辦公室那我們在台東共享辦公室住的問題呢除了共享辦公室以外也會有住宿的優惠那 |
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這個之外我們現在提供會建立一個一站式服務的網站那協助他們在串聯地方的資源然後呢建立一個生態環境那另外同時我們也會鼓勵他們跟本地的青年一起合作然後呢成立公司成立公司也可以來申請我們國發基金的天使投資但是我們投資的是本國人所以他必須要跟本國人一起我們希望讓外國人帶動本國人 |
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日前我也跟台東縣的縣長我們有碰面參加我們吸引全球數位牧民的活動他親自來台北那我們也討論到怎麼樣協助利用這群人協助台東建立未來的數位產業因為這些都是數位人士能夠協助花東建立一個新綠色產業所以我們也有一些採討你也規劃在創新創業100計畫裡面嘛這個部分裡面就可以協助他們除非說這個 |
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百萬投資創業的問題但是 主委還有一個問題就是說一般你剛剛提到兩個省市嘛台南跟哪裡跟台東台東喔那我們現在是說他們來台灣我們要給他很多的誘因不只是說他們台灣的治安很好或者我們高速的網路覆蓋率也很高還有便捷的交通等等這些都大概都在六都裡面 |
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都是在都會區裡面那偏鄉的話怕他們不願意到偏鄉去偏鄉不容易有發展那地方創生的話大部分大部分也都在比較靠近偏鄉的方面所以我們怎麼樣去引導他們可以往我們這個比較地方創生幫助我們年輕人可以來做更好的計畫台灣最大的優勢就是我們的網路遍及全島都是非常 |
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我們相較其他幾個國家包括新加坡我們的網速都比較快那所以第一個他們就業環境所需要的網路我們是比較容易便捷的再來我們的生活性價比跟我們的環境跟我們的醫療體系都非常具備吸引力 |
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所以在國外的 主委你剛剛講的沒有錯我剛剛提醒你的六都都沒有問題偏鄉方面你要怎麼樣去加強所以很多的政策我們不是一廂情願的沒有辦法提供它更完善的不管是居住環境還是郊都的配套台東就不是六都喔我們跟台東也很積極在合作它就不是六都它現在也有一百多位蘇文明在台東 |
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是 所以我們希望 主委在我們數位牧民的這個推動之下我們希望地方創生可以給他們實質的貢獻這樣才真正能幫助我們的年輕人 好不好好的 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝薇婭 |
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謝謝李玉玲委員那我們中午我們就是先開會到12點30分休息然後再繼續開會好那我們下一位請陳清輝委員發言主席謝謝我也想請主委來有請主委 |
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主任我们现在要开始推动这个外国人才修法这个是非常好的因为我们现在很缺工所以我们更需要去锁定外国这些高端还有尖端的人才但这个是实际上许多案例会遇到的问题您可能也略知一二了就是说我们必须先符合劳动部主管所规定的救福法第46条中的内容那再来符合国发会认定的九大领域 |
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但并不是所有的业别都可以同时符合这样子的两个需求所以我先举个例子给你们看第一个就是我们会限制他在救福法的第46条我圈起来的地方12356等等那就是刚很多人所提到的不管是老师啊主管啊专业技术的工作运动人员艺术人员演艺工作等等那 |
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第一項又細分成A01到A15可是現在有很多新興的產業比如說台灣的酒吧文化就很盛行我們甚至有許多酒吧是亞洲前50名的所以假使我們要讓很有名的調酒師來表演或是工作或是授課薪水超過15萬 |
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目前我們遇到實際的陳情難就是被卡被卡了好幾個月因為他沒有辦法同時被勞動部認定又被你認定我知道國發會主委您的利益非常的良好那你也特別把你的九大項目 |
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弄得非常的有彈性可是你第一關就是卡在勞動部的時候就沒有辦法這個就是上次我們處理的案例最後他必須要用列舉的方法才可以讓他符合專門性或者是技術的工作因為當時勞動部的主管 |
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他就他的工作內容他沒有辦法實際去判定他到底算不算是他的主管機關因為他可能有教學也有表演是歸文化部還是歸衛福部等等這一點您未來會遇到越來越多不知道您現在是不是有解決的方案 |
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我們目前是在我們的第四條的第二款裡面我們有認定這些領域之外有一個極其他領域的特殊專才那這個極其他就具備一個可檢討的彈性 |
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我認為也許可以善用這一點來解決委員所提到的未來會有很多新興產業的產生那這個產生的確會跑出來非常多尤其是大數據產生很多新的職業我們都希望能夠利用這個來做一個彈性的解釋讓他可以盡早的適應 |
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好 我只是想跟主委報告您這邊保持彈性但是前面的救福法那邊假使沒有保持彈性還是會遇到很多問題等一下我舉他們後來是用怎麼樣的方法來處理可是這個處理的方法行不通你只會一直重複在做同樣的事情 |
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這是另外一個案例 這個案例是國外很優秀的主廚級老師來台要開班授課結果也是因為舊輔法卡住了 這個框架卡住了我們沒有相對應的專業工作類別因此他先開了課 結果他卻沒有辦法依照他原本所開課的時間來做教學 |
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我覺得你要做的是當然你也同意有很多的新興業別但是他就找不到他的主管機關去快速審核讓勞動部來放寬所以你看最後這些案例最後都是得靠幾個月這樣子磨磨磨跟勞動部磨然後他們必須要含釋那再把它一一列入這個是不是有專門技術性所以我剛講他就列了一二三四 |
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但未來呢數位轉型新型態的產業企業發展發展模式都會不斷的推陳出新這些產業出來的速度比不上我們修法的速度所以你是不是要怎麼樣來跟勞動部來做協調才會更有效率呢對這個 |
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這個部分我想我們來跟勞動部做一個協調然後來看看有沒有什麼比較更快速的方法因為照原來就我的認知我們現在已經有授權勞動部可以直接彈性的認定但是看起來在認定過程中會產生委員所提的這些耗時間的事情 |
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那我们是不是让我们来找劳动部在大家一起来看一下怎么样将来再制定一个方式让未来在认定新兴工作的时候能够有一个比较比较具效率的一个方案好谢谢主委可以在一个月内跟您要这个您跟劳动部讨论出来的报告吗可以可以好谢谢 |
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下一個也是我很關注的一題你也知道上次總質詢我問了行政院院長還有國發會當天好像是副主委今年呢一到五月每一個月都是八千九千這個您知道嗎我知道但 |
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卻在去年的人口推估系統你每隔龍年就是一個高峰每隔龍年就是一個高峰後來破功所以這是你們重畫出來的圖可是你們重畫的圖是很難說服許多婦產科小兒科醫師的 |
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你後來重畫的圖是每隔幾年就加一個生育率0.01最後一路加到1一路延伸到2070年這個東西假使我們學生拿來做報告的話一定會相當的失真 |
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當天國發會副主委還有行政院院長說你們知道1到5月的生育率很低所以你們現在要推出一個13萬新生兒保衛戰但沒有講到策略那我問說為什麼他說因為依照往年來看6到12月都會出生的嬰兒數比較高您覺得呢 |
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現在是就我了解我們現在是陳時中陳政委有找跨部會在訂定一個115年到118年的4年少子化的策略那重新研議希望能夠刺激這個新生兒的比率那目前這個草案在會各部會回饋意見中 |
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那我們也有參與到裡面的意見所以我們也有提到一些建議出來那我們希望能夠更加的刺激這個生育的但是你覺得你有信心今年到13萬嗎 |
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今年會有一點辛苦啦 但是總得來努力沒有說不會到 但是總要來努力上次你們是說因為往年下半年出生率會比較高我告訴你一個實際的做法 真的非常簡單其實你只要去查目前正在懷孕的人多少你很快就可以算出你今年可不可以到13萬保衛戰 |
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這非常的簡單怎麼還會用感覺的或者是用往年的數據下一張這個是你們所做的人口推估未來生育趨勢專家調查你找了10位專家然後去做了一個模型但是怎麼看我們都覺得現在生育率一直是0.8 0.7你卻把自己的高推估設在1.3不覺得非常的 |
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不符合我們的常理嗎這個本來就是一般來講是中推估高推估低推估那如果您看我們的低推估0.8其實是 |
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低退估0.8已經是我們這幾年來的平均數據也是有抓到整個的趨勢那它本來所有的退估一定會有樂觀跟不樂觀狀態主委如果你有興趣的話我可以推薦你一些做AI的人才其實有許多人從我們過去的人口分析 |
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已經可以分析未來那這些人是跟我們富有相關產業的一些業界的人士比你們做出來的精準很多如果你有興趣的話我再幫你串聯起來好嗎好啊謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝好謝謝陳慶輝委員那下一位請劉建國委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席有請劉主委來 請劉主委主委今天金融會來審查這個外國專業人才延攬及僱用法的這個修正草案這對目前生不如死的台灣是非常重要的然後大家都很清楚嘛台灣就邁入到超高齡的社會那剛剛陳委員也特別提到生育的問題你知道五月初生 |
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已經又破了最新的出生率你知道你有掌握嘛所以要吸引這個國外的優秀的專業人才進到台灣服務甚至喜歡台灣最後定居台灣那是一個非常正確的一個政策所以我們要趕快推嘛那透過這樣的一個修法但是我現在提出了一個疑問就是說我們是真的要招攬這個外國的優秀人才嗎我們是真的要招攬外國的優秀人才嗎 |
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我們是真的有這個打...是真的假的嗎?是真的假的嗎?是真的對不對?是你覺得我們招募現在的外國專業財最低的薪資是多少?47900多47971嘛對這個從以前定格到現在多久時間? |
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我想職場不外乎要友善那職場友善有一個重中之重就是所謂的薪資嘛對不對如果47971我們從頭到尾都定格到現在這個階段那你可以簡單的對照台灣的基本工資從106年2109元一直到現在28590元從小英執政到賴清德政府執政已經調了9次了 |
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那今天我們真的是今天我們要招募外國的專業人才來到台灣喜歡台灣甚至定居在台灣那他們的最低基本的薪資還定格在47971你覺得這樣合理嗎這樣的台灣的職場對外國的專業人士會覺得他是一個吸引 |
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的一個地方嗎不管我們的自由民主制度不管我們的居住環境不管我們所有的很多的這樣的一個友善都可以達到他們的期待但是如果薪資維持在這個地方你覺得吸引力足夠嗎是真的要招募外國的專業人才來台灣大家一起努力打拚嗎 |
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其實這個數字對企業來講是一個參考值那當然這個調整是有調整的空間因為我們現在經常性薪資平均已經到6萬3是可以調整的那只是說在這個薪資裡面他有工作零年經驗有一年經驗兩年經驗三年經驗 |
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那這是給企業一個參考,不得低於這個數字不得低於嘛,對,這個不得低於,台灣有具體基本工資嘛,也是不得低於嘛但是我們從小英執政一直到現在,台灣以前被稱作低薪島,中國人應該知道嘛,對不對那還有民進黨執政之後,前八年一直到賴清德政府執政,調了九次,才來到28590嘛 |
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這個就是最低壓這個也是讓我們所有的台灣的企業去做參考聘用本勞的一個參考依據嘛對啊那我們是不是讓我們來協調勞動部來進行這個來看看怎麼樣來做一個調整 |
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這個要趕快來討論了吧 好不好 主委真的啦 因為我們要面對這個事情嘛然後你看 當時為什麼會規定設定這個47,971元這是有歷史背景的嘛就是不要讓 |
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我們要這些外國專業人才變成外國的廉價勞力嘛所以我們才去訂這樣嘛但是不可能通通不動啊桃園現在在應 桃園市政府現在在應徵清潔隊員4000多人入企435不到10%一個月薪資4萬5一個月薪資4萬5 |
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好 那剛剛我們特別講當時這個外國禁用的專業人士最低47多對照我們當時的21多是差了2萬6嘛現在已經拉到1.9萬 |
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對不對 什麼時候會拉到齊平 我不曉得但是看起來從物價從每年做這樣的調整從小一直到現在那個速度會會慢慢的加快的接近中嘛對好 所以我們盡快盡快找勞動部來討論這個事情一個月一個月內可不可以一個月內 沒問題因為我再提供一個訊息給你就是我們組織署已經有公布四月份台灣的平均薪資是來到四萬七千八百零七元 |
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47807元所以這個如果再不去調整會不會導致雇主在用年選上也會壓縮到這個本國白領勞工的這樣的一個機會是有這個可能的因為當時我們是不希望說它是也有雇主應用這個禁用外國的專業人士的時候是用假白領的這樣的名義來引進藍領的外國人力所以我們去設定這樣 |
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但是時間已經這麼久了對真的有其必要調整我們盡快來解決好不好 主委所以希望一個月內把相關的一些演繹可以提供出來好的 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝主席好好 謝謝劉建國委員那下一位請岳元之委員發言 |
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麻煩請國發會主委謝謝請劉主委 |
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主委好 今天我們在討論其實人才的問題啦那我想先講一個我知道國發會現在很積極在發展AIAI人才也非常重要那我跟很多AI的 懂AI的人他們要新創他們一直覺得說沒有很重視政府沒有很重視的AI對他們而言啦那有幾件事情第一個要發展AI 算力很重要嘛那現在我們的GPU大致上還是過度非常高度的依賴三大雲 |
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就像Amazon Google還有微軟三大雲那像這種比較小型的新創公司實際上要取得算力有其難度那我知道速發部是有推一個要給他們一些免費資源那速發部有購買一些算力要提供給他但是有限制 |
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而且對於比較大的AI公司它也許可以透過集團力量取得一些算力可是那就是近期未來可能也不確定所以業界一直在呼喊說我們台灣能不能夠成立我們自己的算力的一個中心 |
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那這個國發,不知道這個主委我們現在這個計畫大概定定的狀況如何?就我了解喔,國科會有一個計畫喔我說算力喔,算力算力算力,那他的目標是在我如果沒記錯應該在2028年會達到480PF |
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他會達到480PF當然現在國際算法開始要改成Megawatt所以到時候算力的問題可以解決嗎就是不要讓大家過度依賴這三大原因可以解決我們現在除了這個部分以外我們也有一些民間企業投資的這個算力那也有一些我們在投資兆元台灣的時候計畫裡面也有一些保險業者來請問我們可不可以投資算力 |
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那接下來事實上在NVIDIA在高雄的那個算力中心是會是應該是亞洲最大的算力那所以這整個算力加起來會讓我們的算力變成這個亞洲很頂尖的是好謝謝第二個問題就是國發會說也有一個100億的預算嘛對不對國發基金我們希望扶持AI相關的新創那是委由這個速發部來做這個其實講很久了 |
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已經公告了 而且有記者會宣傳再加強一下好不好因為我跟幾個AI的新創公司聊到這東西他們說是喔 聽說有這個啦 但是不知道怎麼申請我覺得要加強宣傳力道因為我也有去查 除了有一些新聞而已 那個新聞都是網路新聞 |
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可能我覺得國發會是不是在透過什麼系統可以直接讓我們做接觸我們會請再跟蘇發部看看怎麼樣來調整因為當時他建立了兩個系統一個是偵案系統一個是Venture Capital的VC的系統當時在記者會我有去參加在蘇發部舉行這兩個系統都在推那看起來宣傳還有待加強對 再加強一下 |
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然後再來就是那個AI的人才因為就我的了解現在台灣比較在研發的一些比較好的團隊他們的科學家都是來自於國外然後都是帶過大公司的像帶過什麼Yahoo啊 Google啊或者是阿里巴巴的就比較有經驗那台灣這一塊有沒有一些比較大型的招攬的計畫就至少有比較多有經驗的AI人才可以來到台灣來 |
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不知道政府能不能夠打造這樣的環境我們現在因為的確就像委員講的AI最頂尖的人才其實是在美國我們很希望我們在今年的年初其實我們到美國去攬財過效果怎麼樣 |
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其實有一些人是有願意再考慮回來的過程當然也有人會考慮到兵役的問題那我們招募的人數一場比一場多那原因是也跟委員報告我們當時也帶著NVIDIA跟Google的職缺過去那因為他們要進入Google、NVIDIA在台灣更容易 |
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所以台灣現在提供的就業機會是比較高的那我們希望在這次的攬柴專法能夠有更大的誘因讓他們回來然後能夠一起帶動那另外同時我們也會將來也會利用這個新創的機會吸引這些人更回來所以我們現在已經建立一個窗口在在那個矽谷那我們希望可以做媒介能夠讓讓更多這個部分我們再加強力道再來現在很多台廠 |
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都外移了啦那台廠外移可能會造成就是我們有一些人才也外移應該不是外移啦是全球化的建廠啦對啦 總部都好了全球化建廠啦那人才就會移到其他國外去而且很多是大型的投資喔我看到有很多上市公司在國外是大型的投資那他們本來培養出來的人才很有可能就隨著這樣的佈局策略就到國外去了嘛我想要建議啦就是國外有沒有可能啊 |
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研究一下譬如說像這種在全球都在搶人才的狀況底下如果有這種大的台廠外流的話能不能也提出一個人力資源的評估報告啦然後就針對說有沒有可能造成人才這方面的流失然後或者是相關因應的策略就是我們可以來討論 |
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各位報告一個企業到海外設廠他一定希望導入他在本國的制度經驗可以讓快速的讓海外能夠崛起這個過程一定會派出幹部到海外去就像日商在台灣都會有日本的幹部過來我們過去台商到了 |
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中國也會有台幹在那裡的原因都是希望都是讓跟本國的連結比較好那讓本國對於海外的公司的控制能力跟這個績效管理的比較好這個是一個自然現象我們可能難以限制我們現在比較要限制的是說我們現在有很多高科技的半導體人才跑到了對岸 |
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然後去壯大對岸來打擊我們那個我們覺得可能這個才是我們目前國家比較高的問題主委你是從國安的角度談這個問題那這個部分我們都沒有意見也都支持我現在是從產業的角度因為現在全球都在搶人才嘛 |
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而且都搶得非常兇那我們這邊假設現在有兩個部分一個是我們的台廠可能會帶著我們優秀人才可能到其他國家去那當然另外一個就是剛剛那個主委你提到像輝達啊他們也要來台灣設立中心嘛我們也會需要很多本地的人才那就是大家現在就是擔心說人才要怎麼樣讓他更充足所以才會討論這個議題嘛就是問說有沒有一個比較具體的評估報告是說比如說針對台廠 |
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海外布局以及就是我們不斷的有一些我們招商有成果也需要人才那這一塊我們有沒有做過評估因為我們是一個民主自由國家如果企業要把他的幹部調到海外不需要得到政府的許可我知道我是說就人才的評估啦所以這種外調的部分我們目前是不會有資訊的那 |
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但是我們定期會有統計海外的工作人數但是這個在全球化過程中我們還是傾向支持廠商但是跟委員報告主委你不要一直誤會我的意思沒有說要你們去阻止他們我們現在講的是國內人才的部分國內人才我們現在有經過多元管道在培養 |
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那尤其在AI人才上面像經濟部有一個20萬AI人才的培育計畫那像速發部也有AI人才的培育教育部有STEM就是科技數位人才的培育那我們現在一年這樣下來我們會有將近10萬 |
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左右的AI人才會產生我們Stan一年大概有6萬多人就是學校屬於Stan的人才就有6萬多那大概社會上我們現在有很多協助青年轉職然後轉職進到數位領域那這些都在發生中那經濟部會有一個比較大的計畫是20萬AI人才的培育計畫那也積極的在佈建中好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝葉元之委員那下一位請伍麗華委員發言謝謝主席有請主委請主委 |
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主委好我們特別就是正在一個什麼樣的時代就是推動永續綠色產業發展那國家的經濟呢也正在轉型所以呢我們也特別關心原住民的一個經濟轉型 |
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那我自己在過去有辦過原鄉碳會的公聽會也關心過地熱也辦過公聽會那甚至是在5月26號那一天呢也特別在立法院去成立一個氣候韌性與能源永續發展促進會那我個人在太空發展法一直到現在的一個太空產業甚至是國家發射場域已經決定落腳在 |
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屏東的滿洲鄉那它附近的牡丹鄉到台東的達人鄉呢它是一個太空的共榮的一個生活圈那在在就是希望說要有國外國內的一個人才的培育 |
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那剛好今天我們也特別看到我們有一個外國專業人才延攬及僱用法的一個修法修正的規定當中特別看到放寬工作然後延長數位遊牧簽證期間我想這個部分主委是不是都對我剛才提到的那些產業他們都會用得到嗎 都對他們有幫助嗎 |
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這些產業事實上也都會有所幫助那尤其是您很關心的在永續上面我們其實跟環境部有推動這個綠色產業跟綠領人才的培育那我們也基於這樣呢我們也跟他共同設立了一個百億基金去協助綠色青年進行創業跟發展像原鄉青年也是可以來這個地方 |
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主要我接下來要講的就是說除了國外人才的部分延攬國內人才的培育特別我希望的就是說原住民不要發生那種產業是在自己的土地上然後成為別人的故宮 |
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這是很悲哀的一種情形所以我也特別特別希望說能夠重視在地人才的一個綠林人才的培育那這個在我們的憲法也好有提到要扶植原住民經濟發展原基法呢也特別提到要促進原住民的經濟產業那總統呢在去年的原住民族日那一天也特別提到要培育原住民各樣的人才也要完善原鄉的基礎建設才有可能去提升 |
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部落的經濟跟產業的發展所以行政院您剛剛也有提國家發展計畫114到117那特別也有提到要促進原鄉的一個永續發展那甚至是我們剛修的這個氣候變遷因應法它的公正轉型還有這個當中的自然碳會 |
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那我自己呢也在多次的質詢不管是綠領人才或地熱等等這些議題我都會提到說人才的培育還有一件事就是部落開發的第一桶金也許這個就是您剛剛所提到的因為做這些都需要錢那我也知道說目前各部會你們正在審中長城計畫那請教一下主委各部會有沒有去提報這樣的一個計畫 |
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你指的計畫是指到原住民的經濟發展產業發展綠色經濟目前我是有看到原民會有幾個計畫送過來原民會有嗎那報的這種計畫內容有沒有我剛才關切的那些內容 |
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我們目前是有這個計畫是原住民原住民族經濟永續發展計畫我們現在是訂的四年計畫115年到128年所以他有報那也有關切到這些面向 |
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您關切的議題也在我們永續委員會裡面 工作人員委員會裡面都有考慮到尤其在您特別關心的地樂等等我們都有主委 因為推動原住民經濟發展其實對我們來講建設是一個基礎那您看一下這個圖片 其實各地 |
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都有所謂廢棄的校舍廢棄的派出所廢棄的衛生所那現在這些年我們推動幼兒的照顧或者是長者的照顧都會去用這些已經五六十年的老舊建築用安全結構去替代我們所謂的史建造那我現在是說像這一些我們未來要推動的都需要有所謂的空間 |
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但是呢我們也看到有時候如果各部會一起幫忙也有活化成功的例子像我在復興區的西口派出所他們就合作跟地方要做一個多功能的聚會所辦公廳設我想這是一個很好的例子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
但是呢我們現在發展托育啊旅遊中心啊地方創生啊產業基地長照他都會面臨用地要合法建造始造法規限制的問題所以呢都非常的需要錢來做這些事情那我也是提到像現在你們在省這些各部會的中長城計畫那這些長遠的這個投資在在都需要錢我不曉得說 |
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主委 您有沒有看到 這些各部會有沒有這樣長短的計畫我舉個例子 像衛福部他在推長照 園民會推長照他們到底有沒有想到 我們這一些已經五六十年的老舊建物再過個十年就變六七十年的老舊建物其實應該要有一個長遠的規劃 可以開始拆除去重建他們有沒有這樣的想法 |
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其實我們陸陸續續都一直有老舊的建築物的更新到我們會裡面來審但是我們現在比較擔心的是說在財化法之後我們中央少掉了3750億那整個中央能夠幫助地方的力道就會大幅的下降那我們現在比較擔心的是在這個部分那我也是希望說要有政策的引導那舉個例子假設園民會提報計畫 |
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或者是衛福部提報計畫內政部提報計畫那他們有沒有提報這樣的計畫各部會來分攤有些是有喔但是有的話基本上我們會各部會以後大部分都是會支持因為主委我要跟你說現在部落撐不住了沒有任何的建物可以使用全部都是老舊建築然後政府要推動的這一些所謂的永續的想法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
13898.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
或者長者照顧的想法部落已經撐不住了沒有辦法配合政府的政策所以我特別在這邊提那我也關心的就是像我舉個例子像現在已經有獵槍專法大家也都去受訓囉那重點是沒有靶場可以用那教育部有靶場但是體育署說跟他們的使用目的不符合那這個怎麼辦呢 |
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這個怎麼辦這個也謝謝委員在3月21號你有找本會去了解之後我們也找了園民會以後那園民會現在會有一個原住民自治獵槍安全使用訓練的中長程計畫是115年到18年的中長程計畫所以他們會去蓋靶場嗎會考慮到會有這個有部分會有那會考慮到您當時那國發會你們也會幫忙去做部會協調嗎 |
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他提出計畫之後我們會與你協助啦好 謝謝齁那最後一個就是我也關心殯葬量能提升計畫因為超高齡社會來到殯葬的需求只會逐年增加那它的高峰期會落到30年後那在我們原鄉部落 |
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主委你看一下有一張圖片其實我們在國土計畫法的時候就讓我們的部會去驚訝因為不是所有的族群都習慣成為一個聚落他們有的族群像泰雅族他們喜歡一戶一戶獨立隔一個山頭可是這個是過去我們政府他想像不到的其實公墓也一樣啊您看一下這張圖這是我親自去的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
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他們的墳墓 八十五度傾斜他們是要用繩子拉棺材上去所以舊墓更新 多少年來他們申請不到因為舊墓更新一定要原地的公墓他們就沒辦法那有的是呢 是陡坡那個棺材有的是拉上去 有的棺材是用吊下去可能我們坐在辦公室很難想像因為每一個民族 他有不同的文化慣俗 |
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| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
所以現在如果說他們區公所願意找到一塊地可是他可能有一些法規不符合的地方或者跟你們的實施辦法不符合的地方主委您覺得是不是這個冰葬量能計畫的提升這個中長城計畫是不是為了原住民因為我們原住民從室內葬好不容易接受土葬現在又要火化 |
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| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
所以我們原住民早期都不太想參加這個殯葬量能提升計畫但是現在大家慢慢慢慢因為滿帳開始濫帳所以大家也有這個需求所以這個殯葬量能提升計畫國發會是否繼續支持這個內政部有提一個計畫出來啦也就是對整體的殯葬 |
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能量的提升好那我們在審議中嘛是在審議中好因為國發會都在審議所以我講這些狀況就是希望我們在審查的時候可能要考量到原住民他有一些不同的習慣那希望在審查的時候能夠盡量的來符合我們的需求好的好的謝謝主委好謝謝主委好謝謝吳立華委員那下一位請陳超明委員發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
主席請主委陳委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
這是6月16號《經濟日報》所寫的國科會規劃涉科學研究首選國有定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14151.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
裡面說因應國際政策派適變化為耕留台灣在2050年前國科會議席開發2000公頃科學園區2000公頃的科學園區那科學園區每個地方都要搶新設的科學園區會落腳在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
14153.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14162.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
根據國科會的規劃說優先評估水與國營水的土地加以活化利用你有沒有這個規劃?這可能要問國科會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14182.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
要說國營四月臺堂是全臺最大的地址但是要認真講清楚也要國务法會的同意跟認可一樣因為大街尾都在那裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
他說台塘規劃產業專區專業用區土地都在引領嘉義屏東所以陳安之秀他就很好康的,我們的社會婚姻也有,家業也有,屏東也有所以說第二次會提出修正我重點是說他要能請廣場國科會我今天一直跟你們合調一直跟你們拜託那個大四股計畫在苗栗縣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14216.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
有一個植染科學研究第二期的擴編計畫 |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
還有一個投入的科學研區,它是在都市計畫內,這個沒有問題還有一個貨農產業專區但是我們現在都要發動了,大家要做事了,要怎麼去做但是你看我們的政府我可憐,我擔心我要看我,就讓你們大溪谷計畫行政院合併我要找一個目的事業主管機關 |
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| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14254.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
我找不到,我來拜託你國安會幫我協調我拜託行政院長、國民司長、國安處理,都到那裡你們沒有人要理,只要發一個公文請依照法令去找,那個目的是指管機關我想不到,國科會要205年要兩千公頃 |
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| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14289.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
我這樣把它開發起來大概38公頃我已經在動 已經合定 你們沒有人要插是不是顏色不被採用這樣的問題我是很不相信你的喔因為你真的做事情但是我一直跟你們拜託 你們都沒有人要插有 有現在喔 教委員報告齁我們現在後龍產業園區齁那個我知道 |
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| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
已經合併就是經濟部做合併了 已經合併很恐慌啊 怕把這個計畫取消掉再來質問科學研究第二期你合併這個目的社會主管機關要誰 |
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科學園區一定是國科會啦他就不在這裡啊要拿那兩千公頃還要幫我們綁條所以你看你會不會拜託的幫我做一個公職的我會很感謝你要不要幫我們協調 |
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我們去協調看看啦 不能看看啦 要完成啦行政院核定的計畫哪裡有看看的你先給我跟國會會議先談一下好 你先講一下 因為我很信任你 |
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會計師走出來都是很有能力的人這個搞不好很丟臉的事不然你沒人要做不然你收錢給我們苗栗縣政府我們來開發不然這樣嘛這樣一直拖著我們前進不得後退也不得 |
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我先跟國會會討論一下你帶我跟國會會一邊討論你先給我兩禮拜我先講好我相信你喔要給我辦完先看你這個國會會主委有夠了沒夠了就看你一條關於今天我們討論的那個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
招攬人才男才专华我是非常支持我非常赞成 |
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但是你只要招攬人才,除了你講下條件,我相信大家都知道,但是你這個如何啊,這個租稅優惠調整,來他的稅,你要求多少要安裝,因為你一點沒有列在裡面,你的效果應該會差了很多,尤其你們會計事務所,你們是國際會計事務所,你們裡面都有列人頭的公司在,你們有優稅條例,我覺得功效會減低, |
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是的確就這個部分我們是在租稅上面我們會輸給新加坡跟香港你以後人家的租稅還是所得收入都減這麼多你這樣如果變成國家級的劣財的計畫我感覺要再去加強不要只做到一半這問題可以提到財政部看看好 劣財計畫我現在改變什麼劣財項目 |
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14456.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14476.019 |
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我們的劣材計畫會變成我們是職業訓練中心,我們是職業介紹所,我們台灣不一定的處境是這樣,你會記得往高次爬,誰往低次流,你應該很了解台灣現在所有的科技人才, |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
14477.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14502.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
美國公司來台灣做的,好,那心水特別管管到把台積電人才拉走,台積電會提高損失台積電要抓人才,從聯發科那邊全部來抓人才,又到那一邊一些人才回去之後,聯發科開始找每一個科技公司你現在人才出來,你要了解 |
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| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
所以你現在這樣來,跟台積電買到美國社群、買到日本社群、買到法國社群、買到德國社群,我們台灣變成訓練所,那邊的薪水高到那邊,我們台灣培養訓練所。你現在這個外來的人才,你怎麼會留在台灣?大概兩年、三年他覺得邪惡有成,外國公司又來挖角, |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
14530.512 |
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| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
我們台灣的省市也不是說我管雖然台積電是高但是跟國外比起來仍然是差了一大截你現在要怎麼去撈這些人才因為企業界所碰到的就是這樣的情形我們的計畫很宏偉我也希望找最優秀的人才拉過來 |
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14573.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
我不知道這些人才 現在怎麼好人才都在後面那邊因為他們薪水太高 各種環境比較好我們要再去新加坡 新加坡又有優惠條件我們要去那邊 你知道新百貨現在薪水高得不得了 那隻大會去啊他我們能吃的 除了你大餐廳的人會去那邊大所以我覺得你這個計畫我們台灣很可憐 主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
執行站起來了他陪人講話就不站起來我講的時間到了我告訴你農兵是信念手希望你這個地方再加強注意你從外國招來的人才希望人才留在台灣不然你覺得一場空我們變成我講的職業信念手不然就是職業介紹手世界的人頭要找科技找AI都在台灣至少 |
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| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
14626.248 |
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汗柴取用啊 柴柴什麼用就會變成這樣的情形我跟你們講 這個情形一定會發生所以你們染柴計畫 國家集合應該要好好的考慮這一塊謝謝 子晴你站得很久 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝陳超明委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14656.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
不不不 我都一樣喔都是公平的大家都是公平處理來我們等一下黃秀芳委員質詢後我們休息30分鐘我們現在先請黃秀芳委員質詢謝謝主席我們請劉主委請主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
14666.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
14669.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
主委今天討論這個外國專業人才延攬跟僱傭的這個法案那我想請教主委因為其實我們的這個AI或半導體的這個產業好像是在北部或者是南部 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
那我也看到就是说我们在前几年就是在南部也有设立一个国际人才服务及演览中心那我想请教就是说其实应该是要均衡去发展不论是我们的半导体或者是AI产业或者其他的产业 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
14719.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
應該是在北中南應該是要均衡的發展要不然如果是縱北或者是縱南那輕忽中部的話那一方面會忽略到整個中部的區域發展另外一個可能就是所有的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
人才可能就往北部或往南部那我想请教就是说主委我们目前就是说从目前看起来好像是就是北部跟南部那以国发会你们的这个执掌我们希望就是说应该是均衡的发展所有的产业应该是要均衡的发展不论是半导体AI产业而不是说 |
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14745.067 |
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一些傳統產業是留在中部那其他的比較高科技的產業是在北部或南部我想請教主委針對這部分你有什麼樣的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
14756.394 |
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14777.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
各位報告我們現在規劃了中部智慧新核心產業的發展那裡面呢利用中部最強的這個精密機械把它AI化產品的AI化然後製程的AI化那增強它的競爭力那另外我們在中部呢事實上在半導體來講最先進的製程4奈米會在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
中部那就新農那塊地會蓋出14奈米那會是台灣最先進的製程也是全球最先進的製程所以中部在不論在半導體在AI的產業發展我們都有規劃因為我們希望均衡台灣那另外我們也針對農業大線我們有智慧農業的發展 |
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那我們前陣子在探討就是說中部四縣市如果我們沒有協調好的話會人口過度傾向台中所以我們也會在雲林在彰化這些地方我們會開始有那個屬於商業區shopping mall等等的地方的規劃跟發展我們希望在整個台灣是一個均衡的產業發展那尤其在農業的部分如果我們看到美國的農業那它是非常科技化的 |
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14850.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
那我們也希望在科技化的農業在這邊那所以在我們的新的計畫裡面農業部也參與到這個裡面那大家一起在規劃這個中部的所以中部將來也不只這個中部在我們在封裝、光產業都會有一些發展另外台積電的零廢中心就零廢器物中心設在台中然後利用台中為核心發散道圈 |
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台湾另外我们为了这个部分我们也将来在绿能的维修各种维修的基地在台中包括外面的风车等等另外还有台中很强的是移动产业就自行车产业这些产业我们现在也在协助他们进行数位化所以现在有些德国的Bosch里面有些零件已经是台厂而且是自行车厂提供的所以这些产业我们现在都在积极的协助部件中部的发展 |
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| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
主委我想請教就是說你剛剛講了很多就是說針對中部四縣市的這個未來的發展那剛剛也有特別提到就是像彰化部分彰化是工農都是同步在發展的只是我們看到彰化的傳統產業應該是傳統中小企業會多於一些比較高科技的一些產業那我想請教就是說主委針對我們中部地區或者是彰化地區 |
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14937.729 |
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你剛剛有特別提到就是說未來可能會有一些什麼shopping mall或者是高科就是這個針對農業方面就是說高科技的這個農業或者是什麼樣的產業那我想請教就是說主委針對彰化的部分未來我們這邊會有什麼樣的未來的產業或者是什麼樣的比較大的一個科技高科技的產業會座落在彰化這邊我先跟 |
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14938.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
14956.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
委員報告我們現在中部智慧新核心的計劃我們是委由經濟部來主導這裡面搭配了10個配套措施就是我在產業園區跟科學園區的設置之後就會需要帶動人口就會需要教育的環境醫療的環境水電包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
14960.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
14973.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
交通還有旅遊住宿還有那個商業shopping的環境那包括那個社宅等等這些我們現在有十個都規劃在這裡面那之後會上位計畫訂完以後我們會邀請各縣市一起來我們會請各縣市包括彰化他們會基於這個上位計畫進行細部計畫那如果就我個人來看 |
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14985.379 |
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14999.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
我們全世界全台灣最大的輪胎廠在振興輪胎加上我們的健大都在園林那第二大的腳踏車梅利達在園林所以這個地方是有一些大型的企業可以帶動產業的發展 |
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那我们属于自行车的中产企业是散落在核心啊这些地方那到鹿港这一带那这一带也很强那我们也会我们也有跟这边的业者进行过沟通我们希望带动产业的发展那 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15034.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
至于走到二水这些地方或者是二林这些地方我们现在二林现在也有一些产业聚落了那剩下的部分我们可能会透过地方创生的方式来拉动大概我们初步现在是概要是这样但细部还是要跟县市政府来一起合作 |
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15034.512 |
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15055.803 |
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主委我要强调就是说中部地区不论是交通都非常的方便而且中部地区彰化位在整个台湾的中部那不论是这个铁路公路或者是这个高速公路二高什么都非常的方便甚至港口台中港也就是中部地区 |
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15056.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15082.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
所以我覺得說未來應該除了北部南部之外中部應該是一個非常重要的一個聚落可能也許是高科技的聚落或者是剛剛主委有特別提到就地方的一些比較特殊的一個產業譬如說輪胎啊或者是彰化的這個水五金彰化的水五金也是非常重要的一個產業所以我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
15083.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15109.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
政府在扶植或者是在延攬這樣的一個人才到台灣那當然就是說希望把這個人才留在台灣不是進來台灣之後我們也希望他能夠愛台灣然後繼續留在台灣居住在台灣嘛那我們看到這個服務中心是在南部當然他可以服務到全台灣的需要的這個國外的人才都可以服務到可是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15133.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
我想到就是說如果這個服務中心是在南部的話也許他就會以當地的這個產業下去媒合第一個可能去媒合工作第二個可能是媒合他住的地方或是孩子子女的一個教育的這個場所或環境所以我們未來也希望就是說如果說針對這部分的話除了北 |
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| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15160.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
跟南的話中部是不是也需要有一個這樣的一個服務中心來服務中部地區這些業者他們延攬這個外國人才的一站式的一個服務這是可以的我們會朝這個方向來看因為我去參加過一些自行車行業他們的全球會議那這些中小企業其實他們也延攬了很多外國人才在海外作為他們的員工所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
15161.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15181.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
都已經非常國際化了那我們會考慮在中部設我們最近有在考慮兩個一個除了Talent Taiwan服務外國人才以外我們也希望我們國發基金的新創辦公室會在中部也會設一個可以讓中部的推動中部精密智慧性核心的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15206.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
因為這個是卓院長非常重視的一個專案跟政策所以我們會很努力的把它執行所以這兩個部分我們都會來規劃好 謝謝主委我們希望就是說全台灣各個地區都能夠均衡的發展而且是照各個地區它的一個特色產業然後去發展再拜託主委是的 這個是我們的目標好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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15211.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15220.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
好 謝謝黃秀芳委員那我們就是中午給大家先吃個午餐休息30分鐘後再繼續開會好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
15239.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15240.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
吃饭了吗吃饭了 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
15271.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15271.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
一圈 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15299.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
有筷子嗎?有筷子嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15322.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15325.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
你沒有變單啊他沒有變單我沒有變單我沒有變單我沒有變單我沒有變單我沒有變單 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
15361.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
15362.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
这一步我们就要 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
15390.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
15391.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
我還是有學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
15416.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
15416.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
司機有賬 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
15445.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
15445.099 |
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鸡蛋 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳 |
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蜂蜜 |
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鞭筍 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳有很多不同的食物 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳主要是為了提供餐廳的餐廳餐廳的餐廳餐廳 |
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這裏有個大廈,這裏有個大廈 |
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對,他只會要回去關心身體然後放屋要怎麼做 |
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我先吃一口 |
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谢谢观看 欢迎订阅我的频道 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 欢迎订阅我的频道 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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感谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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好 我們繼續開會來 那我們繼續尋答下一位請鄭天才委員尋答 |
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主席有請主委有請主委主委好這個我們去年也有這個討論這個今天的法案的修正那我們先看這個去年 |
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5月22號國發會的報告裡面特別提到截至到113年3月底子外國專業人才有效期可56,427人比106年底本法施行前的3927人增加了超過八成這個以今年的話有沒有新的數字 |
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今年有一個數字但是我可能還要再去查清沒關係再書面提供書面提供這個外國專業人才延攬及僱用法從民國106年11月22號制定到現在也曾經有兩次的修正 |
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那對於這個106年11月22號公布施行到現在應該也要做一些檢討但是目前的檢討的方向是還要擴大我就就很納悶了好我們看這個這次的行政院版本第六條這個行政院版本 |
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將原來的現行條文第六條外國人取得國內外大學之受試以上協會或教育部公告世界頂尖大學之學士以上協會 |
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這個修正為排名前一千名世界大寫排名前一千名也就是世界頂尖大寫本來是五百五百五百名擴大增加一倍變成一千名然後這個無息積備一定期間的工作經驗這個當然你們的立法理由也寫了但是我們要考量的是我們 |
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如果我們從剛才講的106年制定這個法顯然教育部真的是要負最大的責任為什麼呢我們的大學生我們的壽司生非常的多然後竟然現在要106之後到現在我不知道國發會 |
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國發會當然主委你不知道國發會過去在跟教育部有沒有討論過我們台灣需要怎麼樣的專業人才相關的學校能不能培育這方面的專業人才有嗎有討論過嗎這個是有討論的喔那我們目前這方面如果以科技來講我們STEM的人才我們一年有6萬多人 |
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現在最主要是說我們到2028年我們的勞動需求量是要48萬但是我們自己的畢業生只有18萬也就是說有30萬的缺口其中12萬是我們預估是在白領18萬在藍領我們有12萬的缺口所以我們希望擴大吸引更多的人進來補這個缺口主委 |
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這個教育部因為今天來的我覺得來的都不對來的沉嚴啊國教署來這邊幹嘛這個跟高教高教師有關係啊怎麼是國教署來我就不懂啊這個好 |
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國教署是高中以下的學生的那個我是不懂不是不懂我很納悶應該說我很納悶怎麼會是國教署的人來了所以其實我很想跟他們討論但是是不是請這個國發會還有教育部提供到底從106年到現在事實上應該是106年之前 |
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就應該要跟教育部講說國內的人才的需求是哪些希望能夠增加這方面的學生的需求學生才會你要告訴學生高中生要告訴他我們有這方面的需求未來的收入會很好 |
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需要這方面的學生就會往那邊去報考這個都是有連帶關係的好我們看這個第11條的修正新增的世界大學排名前200名大學之學士以上學位在我國從事專業工作這個部分這是新增的這個到底是怎麼樣我們都是需要再討論的我們看這個第12條 |
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這個也是新增的條文外國人取得我國副學士以上協會者以應屆畢業生之身份取得內政部移民署席可延期居留期間在我國從事工作沒有寫專業工作從事工作這個到底是要禁用怎麼樣的人禁用從事怎麼樣的工作 |
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可以說出來這個是針對已經來台灣念書的僑外生那我們在台灣念書的僑外生他取得這個他們畢業之後可以給他一個比較寬裕的找工作的時間那我們過去時間過短那造成我們有70%的僑外生願意留在台灣但是只有48%的人有留下來這邊從條文裡面看是看不出來是僑外生 |
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在你們的說明都是講喬惠森但是從這個文字條文從條文的文字是看不出來因為他在我國取得取得我國就是在我國學校就學才會取得我國的副學士學位 |
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以上者嘛包括大學研究所博士都是符合這個這句話的這個沒有寫說因為你剛剛主委特別講僑外生嘛是不是這個是只限於僑外生要不要做比較明確的規範好那我們來研究好不好謝謝委員好我們來看這個剛才的條文這個你們的一個簡報裡面2011年 |
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這個博士畢業61982碩士畢業69萬學士畢業300多萬專科畢業200多萬2022年增加博士畢業的增加了4萬人 |
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受試畢業的增加了51萬,從2011到2022年總數51萬多,協試畢業171萬,所以這個部分其實我就會很疑惑, |
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表示我们的招生是随便任大学随便开班没有特别针对我们需要的专业人才来特别去鼓励我们的高中职的学生去考或者是我们的学士毕业的人专科毕业的人去考产生这样的一个问题而事实上如果我们看受试学士就业率 |
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有110年來看我們斜市的就業率只有59.02%我們現在還要大量的進壽市就業率67.26%所以這樣的一個情形為什麼上次去年審查會沒有沒有完成就是因為我們 |
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更擔心我們的現在的學生現在的已經畢業的這些學士碩士會不會造成到時候而且所得更低平均3萬塊也有平均薪資 |
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所以這個部分都是我們必須要去思考的部分我們在審查的時候再好好的這個我們會找勞動部做進一步的分析讓委員知道大概有多少人出國多少人的怎麼樣我建議稍微這個下次審查的時候教育部的這個最起碼高教師以上最好是次長能夠來了以上就建議 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝鄭天才政委員那下一位請羅廷偉委員質詢謝謝主席有請國發會主委請主委 |
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委員好好 主委好今天我們在審外國專業人才延攬的僱用法修正草案幾個大方向先跟主委請教一下那主委這個外國專業人才的延攬跟僱用的相關辦法它的目標是增加外國專業人才來台從2018年上路以來目前吸引多少人來到台灣 |
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我們目前吸引外國專業人才吸引的55,677然後特定專業人才吸引的18,403好那我這邊有一個數據想跟你請問那原本預計這個2025年的吸引外國專業人數有達到目標嗎2025年因為還沒有結束對不起2024 |
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20242024我們大概 |
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你有達到目標?我們並沒有定出那個目標啦那你有沒有覺得應該訂定一個目標呢?您認為這個辦法?因為我想不管是未來今年度的2025、2026、2027我們有沒有想說要怎麼樣精進這些辦法、方案然後來延攬更多的人?有,我們當然都希望越來越多人才來到台灣嘛 |
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那抓一個預計的一個目標數然後來看到底實際上修法對於這些目標數能夠大為提升能不能有一些精進的方案我想這個部分您有估計嗎有的 關於針對本法的部分我們是希望透過這個法律讓我們每一年再增加6600多位 |
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6600多位所以你就希望2025年能夠吸引大概6600多位比去年度還多那第二個事情是我們也訂定了一個國家人才競爭力方案我們也希望提升本國人在職場的競爭力多數是哪些國籍的外國人士呢 |
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目前來到台灣目前我們現在有比較明確的是在就業金卡上面目前比例最高的是美國來的最高啦那美國佔了相當高的比例那第二高的是香港再來是日本再來是印度那新加坡、加拿大大概這幾個我們前十大大概就是再來馬來西亞、韓國跟德國對,經濟領域在目前科技 |
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再來科技對 可是這裡面的統計跟委員報告經濟裡面的部分是它經濟跟製造是合併統計OK 沒關係那這個製造部分就會也含到了包括半能力製造等等那科技領域是從國科會他們在科技人才的領域有去了解大概薪資待遇多少嗎 |
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薪資待遇我們當時有定一個4700多萬的一個基準金卡的部分是16萬金卡是要月薪16萬那雖然就業金卡以經濟領域發放的最多啦那最多但是很多的雇主都還是說找不到人 |
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2024年台灣還被列為全球人才短缺最高的國家之一這顯示政策和實際產業的需求我認為有需要加強這個我跟委員解釋一下景氣也會帶動人潮的缺席 |
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但是景氣應該也是全國因為各國都因為我們經濟活路我們其實GDP成長高過這附近的很多國家甚至我們在上半年應該是亞洲第一去年大概也是亞洲第一所以景氣也會帶動那的確台灣這幾年科技業的發展造成我們在科技人才的壓力會比較大那我們當然就積極在希望去吸引更多人才進來所以整體而言我就說現在產業缺人才很嚴重 |
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那政府怎麼確保吸引他們能夠過來人才真的是產業需要的嗎有沒有跟產業界合作針對特定的領域來制定人才所謂的更精準的延攬的計畫這部分有嗎是的跟委員報告我們現在的做法是放寬來的資格然後讓企業可以去徵選他所需要的人才 |
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因為政府很難去幫每一家企業去找人當然所以就是要跟產業多溝通嘛讓他有機會找到他要的人那你覺得針對國際人才的競爭激烈現在都是一個趨勢各國都在搶人台灣的趨勢是什麼 |
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川普有喊出五百萬美金可以購買金卡取得美國的永久居留權當然我不是要說台灣要跟川普比我只是舉一個案例我們跟鄰近的國家比如說日本韓國這兩個國家他們怎麼做我們現行辦法有沒有辦法跟日韓一起競爭來搶國際人才 |
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是的 我們現在新的辦法就參考了日本的J-SKI 日本的J-FUN我們也參考了韓國 我們參考了英國 包括澳洲等等我們參考了他們就定定的所以你覺得修法之後對於全球攬財的市場會有優勢 |
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會有一定的競爭力在新疆這幾個國家那我們你說優勢我們當然我們有很多的優勢包括我們的生活條件沒有說修法後修法後的優勢對修法後我們修法後就是我們的條件放寬然後呢可以比較讓企業可以找到人會更有吸引度嗎會放寬以後 |
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這個多少會有那這個因為我們的條件放寬了企業可以找到的人才會更多那他的面向會更廣 |
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我覺得今天會提到這個另外我們提供的永久居留參考了日本這些國家的做法那也提供一定的吸引條件那台灣還有一個那我們也善用台灣既有的條件我們既有條件像我們在醫療保險的能力包括我們在那個是台灣我們先天一些政策 |
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然後我們生活的便利性這是我們的特殊的優勢嘛但今天我要講的是說第一當然就是產業多溝通啦符合產業需求那產業目前還是一直在缺工這是不可否認的一個事實第二跟鄰近國家相比因為我們的對手 |
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這些競爭國家一定要先去了如指掌他們的戰術戰略策略還有他們的法那來做一個修法我覺得才會更加精準不是我們修我們自己的我們放寬我們只跟過去一年的台灣來比而是我們要跟鄰近國家要去比較這是我要提醒的啦 |
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那跟主委談一下外籍數位的專業人才數位領域人才當然是希望越多越好但是這是趨勢但是外籍數位專業人士也可能會接觸到國人的相關個資那這個個資要如何能夠確保新版的這個院版草案納入數位遊牧的簽證 |
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停留的期間最長六個月延長至兩年主委先前也表示過根據估算全球約有3500萬名的數位遊牧若能放寬相關規定就能夠把他拉進台灣在家工作第一步達到觀光消費如果愛上台灣就會留下來希望進來可以有10萬人 |
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可以留下一萬人那十萬人可以留下一萬人這就是政策目標我想請問主委數位遊牧的簽證2025一月上市已經上路了十四半年來實際核發的簽證人數 |
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停留人數、國籍分佈可不可以分享一下各位我們報告停留人數在這個數位牧民的網站裡面有一個網站它可以讓大家填報現在在哪裡做數位牧民那我們從那個網站我們在兩週前看到的是三千人在台灣 |
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那第二個部分是我們去年我們在推動這個數位牧民的時候我們並沒有改變法令所以我們是利用現有的簽證條件來吸引那這些人他可以有不同的管道進來因為結局是一樣的 |
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那我們希望透過這次的修法讓他可以比較到東南亞的國家延長到一年甚至到兩年去就會具備吸引力條件那就會有比較多的人利用數位牧民簽證進來否則在有些國家他是免簽的他會免簽就直接進來了目前有三千在系統上面那主委剛剛講了十萬留一萬台灣的觀光對數位牧民 |
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有什麼樣留下來的誘因我想這個你我大概都知道啦那可是我還是要講就是說數位遊牧的這些人才在台生活稅務金融住宿等實際需求政府有沒有什麼配套有沒有跨部會去做如何防止政策流於短期的觀光而真正非流財那我們有沒有對於這樣的部分去做一個盤點台灣對韓國有何的優勢因為韓國也在推所謂的類似政策 |
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這個部分你也有研究嗎?有的,我們現在是做了幾件事,也跟委員報告,第一個我們有一個一站式的服務,在我們的Talent Taiwan的網站,那吸引數位牧民,那第二個部分是我們跟韓國跟日本也變成策略聯盟,就是我們三個國家會互相介紹,在那邊呆滿,在日本呆滿的會介紹到我們這裡來,韓國呆滿的會介紹到這裡來, |
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類似轉機就對了我們在兩週前我們有一個宣誓大會那另外我們在台南跟台東都已經各縣市政府合作開始一起共同經營數位牧民的發展數位牧民這個你剛說一戰四大我覺得那是基本需求那就不再說了但是我要講是說短期觀光我們常常在講台灣的住宿很貴國人都不留在台灣玩都寧願跑去日本 |
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根據台灣金卡辦公室2023外國人才的調查摘要銀行議題語言障礙分別為專業的人士外國的這些專業人士認為在台灣生活最大的困難處這些是我剛剛在這個辦公室所拿到的這些資料調查的摘要那您提到了一戰事然後還有韓國日本相互介紹但我要講的是說我們還是要注意這些語言障礙銀行議題 |
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他們也有可能會成為他短期觀光的時候有一些遇到的困難沒錯 這些我們都調查了解我們其實會透過我們的雙語政策同時在協助譬如說我們最近在協調55688因為外國人做Uber只有大都市才有他坐計程車是很困難的那我們希望55688會有英文版本提供外國人比較便利的生活 |
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那我們現在有一連串的政策在建立這樣的生態系統都是針對我們對外國人士調查的結果啦主席已經站起來了那我想就是提醒你在這個部分上多溝通那多了解那實際上還是要記得亞洲的競爭日韓是我們最主要的是的一定要先了解競爭對手才可以知道我們修法怎麼樣更實際可以運用好嗎謝謝 |
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好 謝謝羅廷緯委員 那下一位請陳廷飛委員發言謝謝主席 我們請主委請主委 |
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主委辛苦了我想我們賴總統有說要成立主權基金來打造國家級的投資平台我們要放眼全球投資國際市場打造國家級的投資平台這個是我們總統然後做了一個宣示那當然也希望說運用我們台灣產業的優勢由政府主導來協同我們民間的力量 |
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民间企业的力量来布局全球连接AI时代作为我们主要目标市场那这个部分把这个重责大任好像现在是归于国发会来协助这样相关的规划是不是 |
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我們有協助一部分協助一部分對的那我們現在在積極的也在拜訪各個主權基金然後我們希望從他們身上得到很多經驗包括從設立包括籌資包括經營管理他們遇到的困難我們都希望把第一手資料通通收集 |
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因為現在有90個國家然後大概有成立了180黨的主權基金所以我們現在在蒐集這相關的資料我們蒐集幾個主要的國家尤其是亞洲跟我們鄰近的像韓國、新加坡那像管理上透明所以我們主要現在是蒐集亞洲國家的部分包括像挪威的主權基金是透明度最高我們也希望參考他的透明度管理 |
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所以我覺得應該是要分別不一樣的它的特色我們針對每一個國家它的主權基金的一個特色然後符合我們國家台灣推動的方向這才是比較重要我們才能做盤整這個很重要因為我們未來規劃主權基金我們的目標 |
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我們要朝哪一個目標其實很重要我們如果說要強化跟全球佈局資本的能量還是產業的轉型與升級或是對抗外部的經濟壓力或是要引進國際技術跟資源其實它有不一樣的所以它有可能是追求報酬型的或是扶持產業型的所以我覺得這個所有的架構要非常清楚 |
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對 這個我們都有考慮到 甚至還有一種是兩者合在一起的 就策略家那像新加坡是拆成兩個主權基金 GIC是保守型的 那淡馬錫是財務型的所以我們都會一起參考下來 然後變成一個政府的共識跟方向 |
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因為其實當賴總統丟出這個主權基金其實大家都在看我們政府怎麼規劃對 尤其是我們現在國家看起來在目前這個局勢下我們很需要這樣的力量沒錯 因為整個國際情勢的一個改變所以我們到底未來要定專法還是我們的組織機關是誰組織架構要怎麼定其實這還有很多的路要走沒錯 |
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包括怎麼管理等等對怎麼管理然後怎麼籌措相關的財源到底我們是要用這個有償給付的動用外匯存底或是稅計剩餘或是由我們政府來發行一個公債的籌資這個其實很多 |
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很多其实规模会有多大也是要我们整个讨论出来之后才能去定定所以这个主权基金还有一段路要走所以辛苦了我觉得我们面对国际的情势我们一定要准备好各种的状态我们都要准备好包括主权基金未来的规模组织或是由谁来做一个相关的推动 |
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哇 這個知識體大辛苦 我覺得我們國防會必須把所有的資料做一個很完整的提供這樣子才能給我們總統或是相關單位做一個很好的判斷這個部分再拜託那另外一個區塊就是我們國家人才競爭力的部分也就是我們在這一次我們外國專業人才延攬及僱用法這個部分其實主委你記不記得 |
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我在第一時間您就任的時候我曾經跟您討論過說這個外國專業人才的研覽跟雇用這個是目前非常重要的區塊因為很多所有的國家都在求人才可是我們的動作實在是太慢了 |
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對不對 我們動作實在是太慢了我們現在才提出這個外國專業人才延攬及雇用法人已經都早在前面了但是呢 我們一直期待的是我們既然要修 就一次把它修好 |
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收集所有全世界各國的資訊到底他們在人才的培育人才的吸引跟人才的一個招攬的部分到底他們有什麼誘因我們希望給予更多的資訊所以呢我們希望這一次的修法是可以真正幫我們的企業而且是能夠讓他們真正延攬到真正的人才 |
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所以我們希望說這個誘因你認為這一次修法誘因這個部分有到位了嗎這個誘因還需要其他的輔助性的協助啦所謂輔助性的協助是什麼譬如說我們現在在AI實際建設裡面我們有一個協助產業透過AI升級 |
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以工具機產業來講它可能需要產品的數位化它需要管理上透過數位化也同時降低對人力的需求等等我們這些都會有一個配套措施一起所以這個配套是要跟經濟部整個把它合併在一起的包括我們現在研議一個到2030年擴大內需方案那我們已經進行了第一次的報告那我們正在修正這裡面都會把它配套整在一起 |
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所以除了我們有這個延攬人才的這樣的一個法規的修正以外我們重點還有這些配套尤其我們現在面臨的是AI數位科技近鄰轉型這些你都要把它拿出來如果說今天我們的產業沒有轉型就算這些人才來到台灣也沒有用 |
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他必須要面臨轉型讓他有辦法讓我們這些人才能夠來協助讓他們能夠到位是不是所以我認為這個部分我們一定要趕快因為現在全世界整個經濟的動態還有他的調整脈絡實在是太快了是的 |
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這種快是我們有時候我們稍微停一下那就對不對了所以我們認為說包括2030年我們所提的這個大計畫然後我們如何讓我們的整個傳統產業也好中小企業也好相關的科技產業也好他們怎麼面臨我們數位科技AI產業進行轉型來做一個非常好的一個配套調整 |
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那跟我們後續整個攬財是有直接關係的所以那個主委麻煩一下我覺得這個停不了我們現在開始走就要一路走一路走而且你要讓我們企業有感除了我們修了這個讓他們有一些誘因讓他們可以進到台灣來可是轉型配套還是最關鍵的是的所以再拜託主委好 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝陳廷飛委員 那下一位請張雅玲委員質詢我的投影片是我的投影片好那我們有請部長 有請那個主委 |
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19486.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
19510.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
來 請主委好 主委好我想先請教一個問題就是說我知道在那個國發會這一次在做這個攬財條例的時候其實參考了日本的JSKIP的這個制度來去做一些修正相較於原本的三年明顯縮短維生那個縮短申請永居的門檻就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
19513.257 |
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19534.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
看起来好像是有比较好但我想请教一个问题就是说到底你们认为因为我看这个日本分两阶它有分专业人才跟经营管理人才但我们现在只有一个600万那这样的600万您觉得为什么当时不去做设计两阶只设计一阶呢这会不会造成未来我们找不到相关的高阶管理人才呢您认为 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
19535.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
19553.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
日本的經營人才主要是以投資為主我們這次的修法還是以找專業人士為主因為在投資的部分本來就有一些他可以金卡等等不同的方向所以我們當時有參考因為日本兩個一個是我們取中間值600萬我們認為應該這樣可以找到應該相應的技術人才 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
19559.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
19583.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
技術人才 但是管理人才呢?管理人才其實也是在這次裡面存在的我們就是所謂的經濟我們在分類裡面經濟的人才分經濟領域就對了我們認為一個應該就夠因為日本把投資專業人才拉得很高到800萬的收入這個是比較高了一點那我們想增加我們的誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
19585.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
19601.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
所以這個是你們跟業界評估一下了解一下大概這個薪資的Range大概可能是在600萬的時候是可以招募到高階的專業人才跟管理人才都一起試用就對了對 我們希望是這樣這個是最頂尖的人才 |
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19602.274 |
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19629.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
最頂尖嗎?600萬有辦法嗎?這個我是蠻質疑的600萬對我們來講是這個特專就外國特定專業人才對至於專業人才就沒有那麼高的標準對所以我只是想確定這個因為看起來如果要找到那種非常高階類似像CEO的可能這個薪水是非常困難的但是如果想要找到那種專業人才或是director的等級可能是勉強可以啦對不對這個是比較偏這個層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
19631.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
19654.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
好那這個部分的話我想這個可能我們之後上路之後我們也要持續的來去追蹤到底是不是真的有達到這個成效是好我希望我們也要有相關的一些是評估的機制那接下來我想要來針對去年我們其實有個非常紅的案例就是樂樂法例跟直播主氣而昧在拿到救援機卡之後反而無法入境 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
19654.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
19673.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
那當時呢他們是當時是因為說移民署因為入出國籍移民法第18條所進行的處分因為他們之前有非法打工的關係所以禁止他們入境可是他們在申請的時候呢我們申請是依據外國人特定專業人才申請就業金卡需求辦法第5條只要違反只有違反入出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
19675.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
19700.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
及移民法的第24條所以這個是完全沒有管到18條當時是這樣子的狀況那當時呢這些像那個法律就對於一些外國的人才他可能就想說我已經把我的外國的家其他的地方處理好了我就準備舉家搬來台灣結果卻最後變成兩頭空因為這邊也進不來可是那邊可能就處理掉了所以為了避免這樣子的狀況我不曉得說我們到底在現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
19701.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
19721.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
有沒有去針對於禁止入境的情形先行勾擊呢有沒有做一個改善這個我們做過檢討當時其實電腦系統有註記它被限制入境但是在當時移民署的承辦同仁疏忽了那我們經過這個案子檢討以後移民署現在是修改系統那系統會自動勾擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
19723.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
19737.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
所以他一旦是被認定以後呢就是人就沒辦法介入他就得一定要停下來所以基本上他應該也不會申請到就業金卡嘛對不對不會造成這樣子的誤解嘛對以後這個情形就不會發生了那目前大概是這樣的一個狀態好 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
19738.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
19755.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
那我希望就是说在未来我们修法通过之后呢我们对于整个相关的作业流程也要实时的保持一个滚动式检讨的方式才能避免可能会不会还有什么其他我们目前目前还没有看到的一个状况发生这样子那接下来我也想要询问一下就是有关于说 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
19756.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19782.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
我們現在就在金卡持有的領域裡面當然經濟 科技或是教育的師資其實都非常相對來說是多的可是在體育的領域相對來說是比較少的但是因為接下來我們要成立運動部然後整個國家在備戰未來的2028年洛杉磯奧運等等等等我們可能會有相關的需求那因為今天教育體育署沒有人來那我想請問一下針對於國科 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
19784.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19810.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
跟針對於之前其實在你們的書面報告裡面有提到說未來會將運科中心也可以進行申請就業金卡但是目前我們在你們的網站上面也沒有看到這個部分所以我想了解目前的這個進度是什麼因為其實運科中心也非常需要我們的一些更引用國外的一些不管是國際的專家學者來 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
19812.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19833.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
協助我們台灣的運動的這個科學領域可以發展也可以協助我們教練用更運動科學的方式來訓練所以我想知道因為目前你們之前你們有寫可是現在我都沒有看到任何的進度所以可不可以簡單說明一下現在的制度是由運科中心進行推薦那他推薦的人就我們就會核定就是來審核來核定他的金卡資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
19835.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19849.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
我想先確定一件事情是說他到底我們現在有沒有開放給運科中心這個就業金卡目前是有 由他們來推薦因為你們是有申請單位的限制他已經是可以申請的單位了嗎確定他可以確定嗎 我想旁邊看起來有點猶豫運動部沒有來 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
19859.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19883.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
運動部沒有來就我們了解是這樣要不然我們委員我們再去確認一次給你報告因為這個是你們之前書面報告寫的啦所以我就想要了解一下因為這個應該相關的進度也會是由你們這邊來去追蹤嘛對不對到底哪些單位配合運動部我想我們在這個領域也會去放寬各種相關的相關的那個條件那包括甚至包括連將來會在國發基金也會在這個領域會會也以協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
19888.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
19906.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
所以我想确认一下所以接下来我们我想了解一下那个作业流程就是说因为接下来运动部会成立那我们会主动的来去跟运动部征询说你的可能你的运产中心你的那个国训中心其实都可以来申请我们会主动来征询他们因为现在没有人对我们会主动 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
19907.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19920.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
你們會主動而來去徵詢他們然後讓他們來去讓他們來做這個也是就業金卡的一個申請單位那我也非常期待就是說未來就是國發會跟運動部未來的運動部一起來合作讓我們的運動產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
19922.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
19938.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
因為運動產業其實也非常非常仰賴國際的一些不管是管理管理者或是教練等等都非常的仰賴他們來協助台灣的運動科學領域的運動的發展那未來我也非常期待兩個部會的一起合作這樣謝謝好謝謝好謝謝謝謝張雅琳委員那下一位請 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
19949.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
19968.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在請范雲委員質詢好謝謝易瑜召委有請教育部陸委會跟內政部的代表就是我們藍副司長然後陳副處長跟陳嘉榮副司長相關部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
19989.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19993.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
這個不好意思 這個投影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
19997.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
20021.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
那我想也請三位可以看一下這個投影片上面這個照片是上個月我跟在場的郭益勤委員也有一起參與我們跟民間組織精明聯揭露昆蓬會統戰團記者會要求陸委會教育部內政部合作落實兩岸條例的規定往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
20023.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
20042.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
我們看一下後來這裡面有相關的規定兩岸性的合作如果沒有經各主管機關許可就違法可開罰但是現在我們遇到的問題因為我們一直在追教育部跟內政部只有要求目前的制度上只有要求報備 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
20044.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
20064.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
所以目前你在制度上會有一個無法處理相關的問題那記者會當後其實也謝謝三個部會的長官都積極回應如果會說是否違法會查處應該是你們的梁副主委說的那教育部我們張廖次長也說會跨部會嚴敏因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
20066.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
20086.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
那内政部另外也有回应说昆蓬会会有违反人团法的状况将要求限期改善是否解散那后来我去追问了陆委会陆委会5月19号正式回复我就是会会同相关主管机关针对个案进行商讨与处理 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
20087.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
20106.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
因為陸委會這樣回覆所以我就把我這半年來收到的四個案子檢舉都給陸委會陸委會認為這個跟學生有關就交給了教育部處理所以現在我先談這兩個案子中的昆蓬會我們可以看到在記者會兩週後 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
20108.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
20134.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
跟我們核開的金明聯再度批評說沒有處理昆蓬會現在還持續在宣傳這個統戰團後來陸委會的確有處理一件事就是限制了昆蓬會的網站跟臉書現在已經無法查看那內政部因為昆蓬會未依人團法召開禮監事級會員大會限期未改善所以依法解散了昆蓬會那我是不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
20136.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
20159.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
內政部還有沒有在追蹤後來可是呢我到現在還收到學生的檢舉這個昆蓬會解散後還可以繼續辦活動他還在還繼續寄簡訊然後什麼繳費成功這邊以上是就是學生提供的LINE的公開社群昆蓬會小夥伴訊息他們還說只是被解散但是並沒有違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
20160.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
20178.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
好像没有违反并没有昭告他们是统战团体违反两岸人民相关的规定然后呢下周一马上就要带学生去上海了而且还请大家减少分享避免再被检举现在都用简讯或电话联系 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
20179.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
20195.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
所以我們發現說結果內政部用人團法我不知道人團法是不是一個比較簡便的方法人團法解散變成斷尾求生他只是沒有依照程序開會等等我想問內政部的事情是他被解散 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
20196.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
20224.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
那可是這些事情是解散前發生的難道不用查處他解散前是不是違反兩岸條例那因為如果沒有這樣的話導致民眾誤解那變成這個統戰團就是在網路上繼續招生招學生的一個續命的大漏洞那另外呢也想請問陸委會昆蓬會如果照樣出團的話那請問現在陸委會怎麼處理是不是先請那個內政部回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
20225.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
20247.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
是謝謝委員的吹噓那內政部最主要主管的法令是人民團體法那人民團體法最主要呢他是在對於這個團體的設立這個會務的設立的輔導監督做管理那所以我們依據人團法呢也就針對他的會務健全的地方依據人團法給予 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
20249.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
20270.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
這個解散的一個處分可是兩岸人民關係條例說主管機關應該要看他有沒有違反可是這個團體的主管機關是你們不就是應該你們跟陸委會討論要不然陸委會不就工作量龐大到就要一部主管的事他也要處理不就是應該是內政部嗎我們曾經發函問過這個其他的案件問過這個陸委會就是說有關相關兩岸違反兩岸關係條例的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
20276.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
20277.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
主管机关是谁 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
20307.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
20318.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
陸委會代表那當時梁副主委我很欣賞他就講得很清楚啦這個團體一直存在 存在不代表沒有違法所以依照這個部分就是應該是你們來處理他有沒有違反兩岸條例還是應該哪個單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
20325.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
20347.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
那我這邊說明一下因為依照兩岸條例33條之一非金主管機關許可不可以跟大陸黨政軍或是去政治性的團體機關構來進行合作行為那這所謂的主管機關依照我們施行細則裡面的規定說是依所涉事項性質來做判斷我們就直接講結論所以這個應該是哪個團體來教育部這邊來所以是教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
20352.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
20366.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
所以你們有沒有追教育部還是就看教育部什麼時候來處理所以現在是教育部的問題我想請問您喔那如果教育部都不處理的話怎麼辦就這個個案的部分我們知道說他們一直有在處理中一直有在處理好那如果沒有處理的話你們會不會監督還是要靠立委了 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
20382.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
20401.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
因為不是說監督因為我們是一個平行單位之間的立場那我們基本上政府一體啦我們還是用協助協同的方式包括做有些法律的解釋協同判斷嘛那等一下教育部如果說需要你們協同判斷你們要跟他協同判斷喔不要他們又回來說叫不多你們因為今天看到三個部會都在這所以我就覺得要來問這個那教育部的代表 |
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20405.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
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請問剛剛陸委會代表跟內政部很明顯說這是教育部的責任所以這個昆蓬會你們有沒有在處理因為公文他們已經都給你們了相關的資料那我就跟委員報告就是有關昆蓬會的這個事情因為牽涉到就是第一個是他在學校借用場地那第二個就是說他的招募學生的部分 |
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我們已經在五月下旬的時候就已經函詢而且不是現在的學校而是過去我們知道有參與的學校都請他們來說明然後來了解那你們後來認定上它有沒有違反兩岸條例因為還有涉及到那個場地包括107年的結論那結論有沒有違反兩岸條例因為我的時間有限 |
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目前還沒有全部收到學校的回應那因為有些年代他們需要去查證不用有些了現在就在進行他們下週就要出團了那針對昆蓬會呢因為我們後來也接到內政部的來函我們也有去函去函詢問他們說在從事這些行為是不是有經主管機關許可但我們今天同仁告訴我說那個去信被退回說查無此地址 |
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不曉得是因為人家已經解散了當然查無詞地址啊你沒有看新聞嗎我們在六月初的時候就去函了這個教育部這樣子真的是太消極了那因為時間有限我在講另外一個結親會那相關的部分就是你們都有了那我一月五月我都要求調查結果教育部給我們的調查居然請這個結親會你看公文回的 |
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自己說然後自己說沒合作結果各種資料都是他直接跟統戰中國統戰單位下面的團體的合作結果你們居然讓對方自己說明然後這裡就說沒有合作所以就沒事欸所以這裡面各位可以看到我們這三單位陸委會代表再來您怎麼看待教育部這樣子的回應然後人家已經解散了說去韓被退回說節慶會還說 |
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就是這兩個案子 昆蓬慧跟傑慶慧目前教育部都還在處理中我有跟教育部的同仁討論過傑慶慧這個案子因為我們有收到她的回函基本上是說 目前的狀況是這樣應該還不是說最後的結果所以他們應該還是會繼續處理 |
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那我現在請你們就是立委會可不可以跟教育部一起嚴寧跨部會的方案那能夠就這兩個個案調查結果還有機制如何改善那今天如果沒有立委要追的話 |
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那是不是就不了了之了他表面上解散就繼續在網路上叫大家不要去檢舉繼續辦這個統戰活動影響我們的大專學生好不好那一個月內可以給我們個案這兩個個案的調查結果跟如何改善相關目前的讓民眾感覺互推皮球的機制這我們會跟教育部一起來處理好那你答應了齁那教育部代表也可以齁是好一個月內喔好謝謝 |
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好謝謝范雲委員那下一位請郭玉琴郭委員質詢好謝謝主席我們先請主委然後還有這個勞發署請主委和勞發署郭委員好 |
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好今天因為時間其實還蠻短的那我們就這個人才的部分我們就是來討論一下那我想根據這個教育部他們的數據112年這個每年平均大概是有1萬名的這個僑外生他們會來到台灣同時在台灣畢業那每年也大概會新增將近有1萬人 |
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就是具备这样子的一个工作的资格那相对来讲但是根据这个劳动部的一个统计台湾目前从事兼职或打工的本地劳动人口大概是41万人占整体的这个劳动力有4.8%左右 |
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那我想呢其實像這樣子的一個數據就是會不會對於我們自己本地的一個青年跟學生他們在就業的時候會造成一些衝擊啦那會不會有一些排擠的一個效應那我想這個勞動部有沒有針對這樣子的一個衝擊或有沒有做這樣子的一個配套來平衡整個所有的這個就業的市場針對這些僑外生 |
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包委員我們目前對於這一次開放的員額預估因為他每年畢業的僑外生大概有1.2萬名那其實佔我們國內的這個就業人口200萬其實他比例不到0.6%那另外勞動部其實對於出任的這個本國的青年我們有推出了各項的這個就業促進的方案以及各項津貼那我們未來也會配合國發會在這新方案推動之後我們會強化國內國人就業的這個方案以上 |
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接下來我想要問一下這次攬財的專法是不是能夠真正的留住人才這其實也是大家都非常關注的一個問題我們從整個所有的制度設計面還有整個所有的就業市場的衝擊開始來談起為了提升我們國家對於所謂的國際人才的一個吸引力當然我們政府也推出這樣子一個攬財專法的修法 |
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那也試圖是針對現行的一個制度的瓶頸來做一些調整那根據這個教育部的一個統計這個新南向的專班開辦以來這個累積大概有七屆那畢業生大概是5492人那其中呢就是在這些人畢業之後選擇留在台灣繼續就業的大概將近有3569人 |
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那這個比例其實算是高的就是大概將近有73%左右那可是我就想問當然這次的修法我們是針對所謂的這個畢業的這個僑外生他們可以有兩年內的申請就是免申請這個工作的許可兩年內那讓他們可以自由的在台灣來尋找他們的這個喜歡的職業啦然後或者受雇的一些跟他學習相關的一些領域啦 |
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那提升就是他們願意留在台灣來貢獻這樣子的一個勞動力這樣子的一個機會但是問題在於喔這個雖然在短期之內這個兩年內不用申請這個工作許可可是可以減少一些所謂的行政的一些門檻沒有錯但兩年之後他們必須又要開始就是回歸到所謂的現行的這個評點制那這個評點制度呢可能就在 |
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整個所有的這個行業的類別還有他的標準還有申請的一個流程可能就是會有一點繁複啦那根據這個老大署你們自己也統計了從103年到現在喔截至到113年年底那從原本的29000多人到後來只剩下實際有效聘僱的人數只剩下17500多人那等於說這個留任的比例喔這個是不到六成 |
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也未必能夠真正的能夠留住人才那這個部分有沒有什麼其他的一些配套的措施還是說這樣子的一個配套措施目前為止我們還沒有做一個滾動式或彈性的一個調整 |
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包括委員考慮到畢業的僑外生是我們國內教育體系培育的人才勞動部其實在這一兩年我們在僑外生的流動上面鬆綁了很多措施比方說我們在去年我們把僑外生攬財的這個上限過去每年大概都是6000名7000名這樣的上限我們去年把它打開了接下來沒有 |
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這個延攬的這個人數上限那去年我們也修改了這個評點表的這個分數從原本的190分我們把它往上調那我們也增加了他可以加分的項目那這些措施其實都是在減輕甚至是鼓勵這個在台的畢業僑業生來留用在台繼續工作所以去年已經有開始做一些調整那目前為止有見到成效嗎還是說目前還沒有統計出來這些數字 |
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而我們持續流用的這個喬艾森人數其實每年都在增加目前都有在增加那今年最快的一些數據因為其實即將堅持下來可能就是畢業季了啦那我想這些部分是不是可以很快的有一些統計的數據可以提供給我們 |
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沒問題好那再來就是我剛剛聽到很多的委員其實也都提到了就是說因應整個所有的這個就業市場的多變性然後再來就是現在的AI的一些人才那我想要吸引全球優秀的人才來到台灣來做發展其實也是非常非常重要那我想這個懶財專法是目前是配合這個國發會在推動的這個高潛力人才來台的一個工作的名單 |
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那目前設計是用全球排名前200大的大學來作為主要的一個門檻那但是像這樣子的一個評選的一個制度我認為是不是過度的單一 |
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就是說在實務上其實光是用學校的排名那有一些學校他也許沒有排在這個200大之內但是問題是他的學校的科系他某一些科系他是特別的特別的強比方說像科技 工程 設計 農業 醫學等等 |
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雖然沒有學校整體沒有在排名當中但是問題是其他在排名200以外的學校他們的科系其實是反而非常的卓越那這個部分我們的選材的條件有沒有一些做法可以讓它更精緻可以讓它更細緻一點 |
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这个我们可能还要再跟教育部研议但是目前来讲我们之前也有一些委员跟我们反映有些学院就很有名但是它是一个学院我们现在的主要是说我们在处理这个事情希望有一个标准那目前在世界大学排行全世界有三个排行标准都是像泰晤士报也好到那个World News或者是到QS都是已经公认的标准 |
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那教育部過去的做法我們在之前是用500大的時候教育部是依據這三個標準來做一個衡量的標準就比較不具爭議性但是對於學院目前並沒有這樣的一個可參考之標準那很可能就會造成這中間有很多難以判斷的執行上的困難 |
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因為尤其我剛剛在講因為AI的關係其實有很多人其實在不一樣的學院當中其實他有非常卓越的一個傑出的表現那等於是要用科系來做選擇而不是用名校來做選擇所以我們大概我們可能會再跟教育部研議看看他有沒有能力做到去看科系因為這個複雜度跟標準就會比較困難取得所以有一些初步的想法嗎還是目前都還沒有討論到這個部分 |
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其實在之前因為我們一直找不到一個標準那這次因為有些委員有提出來那我們就希望來再研議看看有沒有機會有這個標準因為我想這個世界都在滾動那科技也都是不同的在滾動那各個產業其實他們的這個變動性其實也蠻大的 |
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那有一些學院他們是注重在某一些科系他們是特別的強項其實如果沒有把這些人也也有一些吸引力能夠讓他們來到台灣來做發展的其實還蠻可惜的啦基本上他們都可以過來只是他在呃申請永久居留的時候他比較沒有優惠而已啊好那但是呃但是所有的事情還是在執行的標準上大家有共識所以我們還在討論一下好那我們期待如果有新的一些精神再麻煩提供給我們好嗎好的好的謝謝好謝謝主席 |
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好謝謝郭益勤委員那下一位請邱政軍委員邱政軍委員邱政軍委員不在下一位請王正訓委員質詢謝謝主席我們請國安會劉主委請主委 |
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主委好 好久不見 謝謝以前的幫忙今天有關於相關的這個議程我們希望從這個精準延攬到有效流採來跟主委來這邊做個討論其實我國近年來積極的推動外國專業人才的這個延攬設計了像有包括就業金卡這些制度工具 |
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期待就是能夠發揮相關的作用也希望能夠進一步的在這個修法的過程裡面能夠進一步來放寬條件延長年限讓台灣在全球競爭裡面更具有競爭吸引力那我等一下這些討論裡面等我全部都說明完畢以後再麻煩諸位給一些意見 |
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不過我們是不是朝向這個精準年染的方向來前進還是目前的制度 |
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只是會存在一些程度上形式的開放還會造成一個實質上的落差我們是蠻擔心的那我們從這個圖可以看到在2021年有關於全球人才的白皮書裡面就列舉了46個國家裡面的確我們看到非常擔心的部分就是台灣是在所有的國家裡面預測為全球人口缺口最嚴重的國家 |
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比日本還嚴重所以這個評比清楚的告訴我們說我們正處在這個高齡化的社會跟青年出走的雙重挑戰裡面所以非常的嚴峻的一種狀況那我們想要了解的是後面的這個結構性的問題如何能夠透過修法來做有效的處置這個就是我們今天希望能夠做後續討論的地方就包括精準的這個延攬 |
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其實我們從這個畫面也可以知道目前國家籍的人才的需求裡面國科會這邊也列出了三個重要的人才的需求包括AI應用人才半導體的還有 |
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淨零 綠零的人才所以告訴我們說事實上政府已經有好的對應的方向跟產業的藍圖我們想要進一步問的就是這次的修法是不是真正能夠與這些國家級的人才政策做接軌是否有針對這些產業明確的規劃誘因與配套 |
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還是只是做形式上的鬆綁卻沒有辦法精準的導向這個產業缺口的人才來引進因為之前審計部也有相關檢討報告告訴我們說委託廠商在持續擴增海外人才庫的資料庫裡面沒有積極的去掌握到資料庫的這個有關人才就業金卡取得跟哪一台就業狀況 |
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或者是就業金卡申請的意願 這個是曾經提出的一個檢討 |
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那有關於這個有效人才的部分我們也看到到目前2025年的5月底目前這個金卡已經累計核發了13487次的人次可是有效的狀況是7769人次意思就是說只有曾經來過台灣或者是申請這個金卡的人有57.6% |
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還在台灣這告訴我們說似乎相關的這些問題是需要持續檢討的所以政府是否有進行過分析了解曾經持有金卡但是沒有繼續留在台灣的這些人主要離開的原因是什麼 |
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那除了核發制度以外我們是曾經針對於外籍的這個專才的後續的留台的生活還有長期居留的規劃等等進行這個政策支持的設計那之前的審計部的這個檢查報告裡面告訴我們說這個Taiwan的這個中心所接獲的質詢或者是遭遇問題 |
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繁瑣複雜而且多數是涉及到其他不同的相關的部門的職責所以需要有待持續的強化跟各機關之間的溝通連結機制希望能夠協力積極的處理改善轉介的問題所以 |
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從精準廉染到有效人才其實我們很期待的就是能夠透過修法來改善的同時我們希望它不只是一個目標是要希望能夠轉化讓國家陣陣的長期競爭力可以持續的維持那針對這兩點請問諸位不曉得您的觀點 |
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跟委員報告 第一個關於第一頁台灣人才的缺口跟壓力我有一個比較正向的看這件事一般來講企業生意好才會需要人生意不好他不需要人那這代表台灣景氣跟GDP的成長是成正比的 |
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反映到臺灣這幾年政府施政上面造成的景氣是好的所以造成人才的缺乏也跟著增加那第二個部分是您提到這個精準延攬的部分那我們目前的政府的做法是先把法令打開讓企業可以更容易找到人但是在培育的部分培育的部分我們跟各部會都有一個會診跟教育部都有合作我們希望在培育人才上面更精準 |
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那我們其實有嘗試希望以半導體為例那下一步是希望大家能夠給到更精準的內容因為半導體可能有從封裝測試封裝測試可能又分成先進封裝、傳統封裝又可能裡面的材料等等、設備所以它大概會有上百種 |
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那我們現在就發現半導體的燃材需求大家可以有概括的統計跟從企業問卷可以拿到但是要細到這麼細的部分就有一點小困難所以我們現在是盡量的精準但是沒辦法做到完全的精準這個是我們的確有努力過的 |
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那再來就是在有效流財部分我們其實有針對金卡的人去做大幅的調查了解他們為什麼留下來有困難那我們現在有一個完整的配套性在改變那這裡面除了我們在Talent台灣的改變之外 |
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建立生態系統從更完整的生態系統譬如說他們進來以後需要一個社群來協助他們能夠待久一點再來他需要更強的友善營運環境舉個例子他叫計程車他沒辦法叫有一次我在路上也是一個德國女生拜託我幫他叫車因為他沒辦法溝通所以我們也在積極的跟這個55688談合作 |
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希望台湾最大的这个平台能够有英文的环境那现在我们现在预算下来之后我们就有钱来协助去尽量提供这样的友善环境那我们整体的友善环境会包括医院现在我们医院可以用英文那我们预计30年70%的区公所都可以用到英文那让他们可以有一个比较好的生活环境让他们可以留下来 |
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所以我们这些都逐步在尝试来修改,然后还有一个比较大的麻烦是他们的教育,他们很多人反映到,尤其是那个二代,美国二代,反映到他小孩的教育,他必须双语,那这个情况下我们其实也积极的在沟通协助解决,所以这些整套我们其实都有在做试调跟做及时的回应。 |
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所以我們期待透過這些修法能夠實質的去提升這些百分比有沒有預估的百分比可以從現在57.6%可以有效提升讓那些人才能夠留在台灣我們現在金卡是另外有一個金卡的標準要去重新討論包括金卡很嚴格它要月薪16萬 |
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那但是對於這次修法外國專業人才跟特定專業人才我們倒有定希望每一年能夠增加六千七百位左右的人才出來那我們希望當然希望更長遠的目標能夠每一年多一萬人進來好那就麻煩律師會這邊繼續努力好謝謝委員謝謝 |
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好 謝謝王正旭委員那下一位請林德福委員 林德福委員 林德福委員不在好 那可能要拜託王委員好 那下一位麻煩蔡議員發言 |
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好謝謝主席我們是不是有請國發會我們主委跟我們勞動部勞動部的這個跨國勞動力管理組組長好那就請劉委員還有組長發主委好那上午大概也是都 |
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在聽美國委員的詢答那也有講到了很多金卡的問題那我想要請教主委那相關於這樣的就業金卡目前差不多有一萬兩千多一萬三千多那去年增加了三千那看起來 |
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人數最多是美國然後後來是香港然後日本也是很多那我們再來看另外一個數據另外一個數據就是離開的人數離開的人數對應的當然美國也是最多那香港也是多的 |
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但是我其中觀察到幾個數字第一個就是說看起來東南亞國家包括印度他們來的人數雖然不多但是他離開的人數是相對就比較多所以是不是變得說以台灣現在的環境對於這些東南亞的人士這一些專業的人才東南亞來的反而他在台灣是留不住的那是不是環境的因素讓他們不會想留在台灣呢 |
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我們有進行過普查那大概還是在生活環境上面還有待加強讓就是他需要更方便的英語環境因為他有語言的問題一個是語言上的障礙所以造成他包括小孩的就學也好包括生活變異對 這早上我都有聽到不過我比較好奇的是你看像美國啦 |
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美國大概來的人數跟離開的人數我看起來就差不多在三分之一來了三千多人然後來離開了一千多人相對比例比較低的是日本日本大概是在五分之一左右可是日本留下來的機會比較高 |
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所以我覺得這個因素應該不是只有英語環境喔還有他們可能國情上的一些差異他們可能會覺得說來台灣後覺得比較適應像美國來甚至東南亞來他可能覺得環境上的落差就比較多所以後來就變得留不住人才主委我覺得因素就會只有英語的環境需要被營造然後這個就業金卡人才會留住嗎 |
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這個是其中一項如果以美國、印度這些國家來看的話這幾個我們調查下來是這個方向那日本因為它的文化跟我們比較接近我們在調查上面移動的人離開的人也比較少一點那我們大概得到訊息就比較有限 |
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所以我要再進一步問那我們現在國發會針對這一些來的人才他們大概的居住的地點會選擇哪邊 |
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目前來講47%在台北那新北的只有14%那如果是金卡的部分那如果特專來講也是在台北58%台中占13.8%新竹占13.4%那大概那非六都之外的呢非六都我們現在手上比較沒有手上沒有 |
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應該低於我們同仁認為是低於10%低於10%我猜也是這樣那所以會不會變得說這些就業金卡然後他們來但是相對是可能在六都尤其是在台北光台北就47%所以變得說 |
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這部分還是會有城鄉落差就是說因為如果以缺工來看每個企業都會有缺工的狀況但是看起來要引進這樣的專業人才他們卻沒有辦法把他留在台北以外的都市那這個也是會有產生城鄉差距所以主委你怎麼樣去看這部分的問題要來做一個彌補 |
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這個部分有兩件事要做第一個是我們可能可以再多做一點宣導讓六都以外的企業知道第二個部分是我們有跟經濟部在溝通在未來人才越來越缺乏的情況下企業可能會有越來越多的外籍專業人士進來這家公司在管理上面就會出現有多語言的問題 |
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那我们现在也希望透过双语政策去协助这些企业培训他们内部的语言的管理能力那这个会越来越多那像我在彰化就遇到几个自行车产业他们现在内部就开始有很多外国专业人士从美国过来的或者从欧洲过来的 |
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那他們現在在慢慢也開始形成了中小企業也具備多餘的能力那我們也希望能夠盡快的協助到更多的中小企業具備這樣的能力讓他們更有信心去招募這樣的人才好那我再問一個就是說 |
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除了這個專業人才啦事實上企業的缺工他在於一些傳統的一些需要的移工他也是有高度的需求但是我們台灣現在有一個很大的問題這部分我也希望勞動部等下回答就是說台灣在於審查一些企業然後一些領域上他們是否要開放移工審查得很慢 |
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比方說我之前在講說一樣是在這個加工廠的一個上班如果你是在續產的加工廠 |
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可以請的移工的這個比重就比在水產的加工廠還要多所以對於請水產的加工廠他所可以申請移工的比例就比較吃虧所以這部分他在做當時在做申請的時候 哇 審查了快三年耶 |
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這樣就審查了三年就是單就這一件事讓蓄產跟水產可以一致的這件事就省了三年那最近事實上有很多產業像我也有跟勞動部去談過像台灣的高峰煙火高峰煙火的產業事實上也是 |
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講白的他也是很雖然是傳統但是他也是危險性風險性比較高的一個產業事實上你要應徵到人才也是很困難結果也是審查了好久從我反應到現在大概也已經經過近兩年了 |
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已經兩年了所以這個審查的速度效率不彰變得說我們台灣很多產業需要移工的時候結果就卡在我們整個勞動部你們在做這些評估的時候花了好久的時間這到底是為什麼啊 |
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報導委員目前移工開放其實我們是全面線上申辦的那委員所提的應該是說如果開放一個新的業別或者是他現有的合併比例要去調整那他的這比例調整的部分那這評估的程序可能可以在這個調可以再做縮短那事實上是因為要評估一個新的業別的調整 |
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那勞動部會去跟主管機關比方說像剛剛提到的如果是爆裂物的話那就跟經濟部就工廠的部分來進行評估那另外環保部也會跟這個環境部這邊來做協商那整體的考量規劃會在這個不影響國人就業以及在促進國人加薪的這種前提之下再來評估這個可以引進的人數以上 |
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組長你給我的這些都是自私的答案啦我也相信你們會跟其他部會去做評估會跟經濟部會跟環境部啊但是咧就是慢啦速度就是慢啦 |
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這個才是問題啊所以我覺得這件事你們要檢討啦好不好國發會這邊應該也是要督促勞動部很多產業事實上我們除了這一些專業的人才要讓他進來之外對於很多移工這個很多勞動力不足需要移工的這件事我們確實非常的溫吞非常的慢 |
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這個才是現在台灣整個企業遇到的大危機這部分我覺得國發會我們也想要督促相關部會說該削的時候手腳要快一點就要快一點怎麼這樣一直拖呢好不好是的好 那就麻煩主委好 謝謝好 謝謝蔡議員的發言也謝謝主委跟組長的答詢 |
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好來下一位請謝依鳳委員詢答謝謝主席我想要請我們的劉主委請主委謝委員好 |
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主委好我想请问就是国发会未来你每年要投入多少钱去培养AI的人才以及 |
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我們現在雖然說是AI的人才可是在很多的方面例如我們那天在審查的這個個資保護那很多的企業甚至是公部門都需要相關的人才未來國發會要怎麼樣子去規劃現在大家都面臨到這個相關的資訊人才也好在 |
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某部分可能偏鄉或者是中小企業都面臨到無法取材的這樣子的窘境怎麼樣解決 |
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就AI人才我们在之前有做过统计那我们相关的数位科技人才从学校来讲STEM的部分可以有六万七千人左右的毕业生那另外我们会加上速发部经济部跟国科会的在那个转职上面的社会教育的部分那那个时候我们统计下来有将近十万人一年 |
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那現在那是在既有預算下那最近經濟部又提出來他們有一個20萬人的AI人才培育計畫那他們希望是在環球科大這有一個計畫所以我們現在積極的在這個部分去佈建更多的人才那我們在新的AI實像計畫裡面我們在人才上面我們也重新定調在未來到40年之前我們會增加50萬以上的人才出來 |
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你確定有50萬嗎那為什麼到現在為止最基礎的資訊人才甚至在企業裡面要防各資要保護各資的相關的人才以及在政府部門我們都還有匱乏的這樣子的情況那怎麼樣達成這個目標 |
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這個因為這幾乎大概是我過去十幾年的生涯當數位產業在蓬勃發展的時候跟需求大量增加的時候其實人才的培育一定會跟不上企業需求的變化那我們過去就只能做能做的事情就是盡量第一個我們盡量培育內部的人才第二個我們吸引外部的人才進來協助所以這幾條路線都在進行中 |
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所以包括現在有一些外資進來的時候經濟部也會要求他們也能夠帶進一半的人才那有的就先答應了20%那答應的人才之後呢也是要從各國找進來因為不容易像我們最近協助一家企業他從七個國家找進人來 |
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那我們就協助他們辦到他們的薪資如果能達到金卡的16萬的標準那我們也會協助他用金卡來做所以我們最近都在做那但是如果這次的修法能夠更開放的話會更容易讓大家知道這是高階的那 |
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問題是在某一些中小企業的部分還是沒有辦法對這些人才不管是AI的也好甚至是比較資訊的或者是在資訊設備上面的這樣子的人才都有缺乏的情況 |
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現在我們在我們其實有很多這個數位教育就是協助非數位科系的可以轉那目前也蠻多那有多少人這數量我們可能跟各部位收集之後跟委員報告了 |
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是不是能夠盡快因為要讓所有部會了解而且即便是有這樣子的人才我們有沒有辦法能夠就是幫他們媒合到適合的企業因為現在中小企業甚至比較偏鄉的企業都沒有辦法來獲取他們所需要的資訊人員我現在只是說資訊人員更何況未來如果是高階的AI人員 |
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那你的AI人才我看到你的AI新十大建设的草案里面你说一年要花1500亿是吗去培训人才吗这个是结合到我们在创新创业投资在总统的这个政见里面他希望能够带动国内投资量人嗯 |
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达到一年1500亿所以不是单指人才的培训不是人才的培训我们我们有另外一个计划我们是在额外增加50万人的AI人才的计划所以1500亿这个部分是指创业创新而不是培养人才因为我要知道说如果1500亿是培养人才到底能多少出来比如说举例我们现在有100亿放进在这个AI的 |
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新創上面那我們在100億在創新在綠領這個綠色創新的部分那我們最近也會有100億放進到機器人創新部分大概屬於像這樣的一個計畫那包括我們最近會有創新創業這個創業競賽那這些都是在希望能夠帶動跟協助這個產業的發展還有新創的發展 |
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未來我有看到你們要推動智慧交通智慧城市等等我們希望大家可以在全民智慧車路圈裡面發展你們到底規劃的如何因為我們知道說未來一定是高齡化的一個現象像美國已經有WEMO有Robotex等等的這樣子的情況對於中南部的 |
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一個民眾來說他的就是說他的交通系統沒有辦法像六都有這樣子比較便捷的這樣公共運輸那你到了中南部當現在有產生了高齡化的駕駛的問題的時候你說請他們去做公共運輸 |
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可是你往中南部走嘛是不是你知道說中南部怎麼會有辦法有便捷的大眾運輸那未來如何解決這個問題當你在說智慧交通的時候我想要請問我們的現在的路況有沒有辦法符合智慧交通的情況以及未來我們怎麼樣子解決這樣子一個 |
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大家如果不要大家沒有辦法開車高齡的長者沒有辦法開車你怎麼樣給予他們便捷的大眾運輸系統在中南部 |
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這樣子的情況這怎麼改善我想委員提的是一個非常好的議題那的確在農村大家會有交通不便性的問題我們會把這個問題反映到負責整個智慧生活圈的國科會然後他會搭在我們數位國家2.0的方案裡面 |
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去实施这个数位交通的智慧交通的部分所以那是国会负责对但是我会把这个讯息跟国会分享一下因为这个的确在如果我们待过乡下都知道这真的是在中南部非常困难非常困难也带需要解决的问题因为很多的村庄连大众交通工具都没有根本都没有没有连公车都没有所以我们得重视这样的问题好谢谢好谢谢 |
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好 謝謝 謝宜鳳委員來 下一位請蔓玉珍委員諮詢是主席 有請國防會主委請主委委員好 |
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我們一直都很支持吸引更多的國際專業人才來台灣發展也希望他們願意留下來除了工作條件好以外能不能照顧好他們的家庭 |
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也很重要這個是我們大家都關心的但實際上要落實這些政策我們部會之間有沒有協調的關鍵所以我們想要請教說國發會目前是不是已經和勞動部 |
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或者內政部有建立一個常設性的行政協調的機制來確保像說配偶居留或者工作許可會不會遭到太多的行政障礙目前有哪一些具體的協助這樣子可以說明一下嗎 |
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我們在這次的修法那對於像取得永居的都可以有配偶眷屬來到台灣那這個部分是我們確定是有開放那這個部分也經過部會的協調也應該障礙是應該是我們認為應該是沒有什麼太大的障礙那所以在這個部分我們有一定的開放 |
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所以說有開放但是說這樣子的效率或者是說有沒有像說單一窗口啊或者是怎麼樣去協助因為家庭來這邊是不是可以就一次完成或者申請就是跑很多的部門就像移民署啊外交部啊就是跑來跑去這樣子的所以我們希望說在這個部分是不是有比較便利或者宣傳的部分有沒有是更落實的部分 |
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那委員是不是請我們同仁對這個比較細節的部分說明那如果有需要改善我們再來謝謝委員的關心那有關於協助我們外籍人士他的一個家庭團聚的這個部分呢除了我們Talent Taiwan本來就有在做相關的一個協助包括他依親的申請然後來台定居他的子女 |
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子女教育甚至我們這次修法也處理了特專以上的配偶的一個工作權那除此之外其實內政部移民署那邊也有針對新住民這個部分來做一些協助我想我們相關部會都是共同的來提供這個 |
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我晚上的服務 以上所以是說橫向的合作或者討論所以這個都有去完整的一套措施讓大家就是說來這邊想要願意留下來家人來這邊的話也方便所以他的工作時可這個部分都有再去做協助就對了 |
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是的好谢谢所以我们希望说就是在停留的时间啊啊到底够不够我们国发会有没有评估过说我们可能要考考虑或者是呃参考就像说呃 |
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歐洲就是一年多次入境因為現在入境的話的時間都是辦來入境三個月要回去又再來就是說有一次就是說他們的簽證是不是說一年入境後簽證就是隨時都是回去再來又不用辦但是這個簽證就像我們越南的我們就是一本簽證這本簽證我們就可以用五年來來去去都不用再辦這樣子的一個 |
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一個方便 就像香港也是彈性的停留的機制所以我們家人是在我們的攬財這個部分有沒有這樣子的一個規定或政策這樣 |
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回應委員的一個推詢那有關這個部分我們要分兩個部分那如果說是配偶跟未成年子女是屬於一親那一親就是隨同居留那這個部分是沒有問題的那另外 父母呢 父母的部分那針對直系遵親屬這個部分我們是放寬就是特定專業人才及高級專業人才他的直系遵親屬他來台的停留可以 |
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就是直接延期不用出境這個部分是可以一直延期停留的所以它是一直延期是來三個月再延期六個月還是延期一年應該我們都是6加6然後之後再持續的一個延期那這個都是可以不用出境在我們這次修法之後它超過一年的部分要再延期的話它也可以不用出境只是我們會要求說要提供它醫療保險的一個證明這樣子 |
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很好所以我們希望這個部分有放寬有這樣的所以有很多人去問所以今天聽你們講就是你們是有的但是有很多人是你們宣傳就是可能不夠希望這一塊的話跟做一個懶人包讓這個企業或者是說這些人才他們要留下來他們關於他們的家庭也安心 |
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父母來台探親也是安心這樣的話讓更多的人留下來我們希望的是這樣所以我也知道說我們現在全球都在搶人像我們我去越南的時候辦事處的大使也希望說我們越南就是要來台灣的人數要超越 |
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就是印尼要去攬柴所以我們希望這一塊呢就是在我們國發會也有一些說希望說免費全部就是免費來台灣就是來學習就是科技業的就是人才留在台灣但是問題在這一塊我們有沒有考慮說我們台灣現在有八十就是八萬吧 |
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八十万的移工八十一万的移工在台湾他们也是有中阶基层可以留财这个部分对不对如果是这个放宽还有加上我们国发会有这样子揽财的政策我们要去找 |
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外國人雙移來台灣我們要栽培他也不一定留下來就剛才我們其他委員問的很多我們人才就是留下來的距離很少對不對但是移工來這邊也不見得不是人才如果他們有這樣子的合法又合我們的國發會的規定 |
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是不是從中來去把這群就是漁工他們成為就是人才這樣子的話是不是馬上就解決企業切工的又馬上就可以有這些人才可以因為適應的他們自己已經適應了關於專業 |
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他們再來栽培這樣是不是就會減少很多我們政府的資源這個部分請我們國發會這邊來做參考還有關於說剛才你講這些的話資料可以給我們一份讓我們是可以幫你們廣宣因為你們宣傳不夠所以很多人跟我們反映所以就希望國發會 |
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這兩個部分是不是可以給我一個相關的資料因為這內容是這次修法才有的所以可能法令過了我們才能廣宣好沒問題我希望說就是關於剛才說你說的那個就是家人來台怎麼樣去照顧怎麼樣讓他有工作許可還有父母他們來台他們怎麼樣的簽證 |
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可以再延這個部分你們一定是已經在做有這樣子的政策所以我們希望就比較完整了剛才我建議的這個部分因為國發會為了要栽培人才要去攬財國外來這邊栽培我們要 |
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全額補助但是問題我們現在有八十幾萬這些移工都是有很多人才的我們要怎麼樣在這邊來去讓他們變成我們企業的專業人才這個也是很好的一個方式啦希望是拿來做參考如果未來有這樣子開放的話我希望真真的是解決缺工的問題也是留住人才的方案這樣以上謝謝 |
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好謝謝蔓玉珍委員那下一位請邱志偉委員質詢好謝謝主席請國防部的劉書偉然後經濟部江市長陀省市的蘇市長 |
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請以上的觀眾投審師的蘇師長蘇師長不是投訴那個次長下午不在市長在投審師好投審師也不在在投審師在 只有次長不在投訴不用了 投審就好了 |
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最主要是第一個問題請教一下主委跟這個市長因為今天市長不在就是我們把華為跟中興列出口的管制的名單就是說對這個戰略性高科技的這個出口管制我們一下列601好幾個國家其中包括這個中興跟華為這個市長您知道嗎市長您知道嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個是那個出口管制的問題那是國貿署但是今天沒有經濟部代表是誰市長沒來總算有個代表跟委員報告貿易署貿易安全管理辦公室代表是啊但是我今天要請教市長市長也不在也沒有代理人 |
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這個我為什麼提出這個問題啊 我要請問主委 這個當然兩岸關係這個高科技戰很重要我們對於他們的這個出口管制早就該做了 但是是單向的進口管制有沒有 比方說我們的半導體廠商跟這個中興華為去投片去投單 這個有沒有管制 或者有沒有必要管制 |
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現在是單項嘛現在國貿署公布是單項現在雙項是不是也應該去考慮跟委員報告目前各國的出口管制制度原則上都是管制出口進口是比較特殊的狀況才會管中國是特殊的國家啦你如果跟他們投片買他們東西他裡面如果有什麼做什麼手腳這個有可能啊 |
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所以也對本土的企業會造成影響同樣在國內有生產當然他們會用他們的低價策略或者是國家補助造成他的競爭優勢但是我們要做適度的管制主委您贊成嗎 |
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這個我是贊成的,我想我會把委員的意見反映到經濟部實化面板,他們是複製台灣經驗然後用國家補貼,然後再加上這個低價競爭他就是用這個量來衝到他的這個市場戰略率接著下一步就是伸手製程這時候是也面臨很大的危機啊 |
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沒錯所以這個我覺得應該對國內廠商對中國的比如說中興華為的頭片應該有所管制或者有點限制好那因為經濟部很多問題都沒有沒有一個經濟部的主委可以回答金木今天只有只有投審室跟投訴室好我先問一下主委第一個問題請教就是說Talent Taiwan |
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這個國際人才的研覽中心你要有一定的資料而且要精準就是說對海外的人才這個資料庫一定要很精準所以目前您對這個目前這個相關資料庫您的看法怎麼樣 |
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我們現在的確過去我們對這個資料的掌握度是精準度是不足的所以我們在這次修法裡面我們就放進來就是希望我們能夠有比較能夠掌握到這些人員相關的資料包括去向那等等資料的取得 |
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那我們如果能夠得到大院的同意之後我們就會可以依法來取得這些資料來來做分析跟管理因為資料庫的目的是要完整而且要精確才能發揮它的功能嘛那第一個不夠完整第二個不夠精確所以這部分我想請國安會繼續再加強這一部分那第二個問題請教主委就是說當然我們這個攬財專法我覺得只解決部分的問題那這個 |
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我上一屆我有提案這個《新經濟移民法》神經行政委員會把它列為優先法案我覺得《新經濟移民法》是比較全面的我也跟你請教過好幾次為什麼不把《新經濟移民法》一個完整的法律配套能夠來推動 |
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這個一方面可以解決人才專法的問題二方面其他的相關產業也會有解決缺工的問題所以這部分主委您的看法怎麼樣這個我們是有討論過因為現在 |
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當時在早年在經濟營運法之後就分開來處理了那對於這個中階勞工的部分勞動部現在有救福法那最近他們也在做一些優化了所以就從中階人才到一般勞工到白領就這三個地方是完整的分部就兩個部會合作就可以達到 |
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這個不同部會去組成就沒有一個統合機關那你的績效考核也沒有辦法去做到位所以我當初為什麼主張要新基民法就是由國發會來做統籌來做這個相關的進度或者是執行狀況的考核那現在分散到各部會各部會執行狀況也沒有很完整也沒有很一致所以未來有沒有可能再繼續推動新基民法 |
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這件事是我們這個當然要看後面的滾動式的調整所以這個事情是還是在開放的態度中但是回過來講現在我們原來的想法是說這樣速度很快因為我們負責白領的部分然後勞動部負責藍領跟灰領的部分 |
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阻擇清楚那大家動作就可以減少一層溝通與協調避免在跨部會協調中的力道不足但是您所提的部分我們現在是我們持開放意見來看這件事不同的部會負責不同的業務它分散不同委員會 |
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如果集中在新進民法就是在國會主管 國會應該是從宏觀的角度去看這個這個國際移工或者勞動力缺乏的問題而不是由各部會來 我想這個部分找時間再來討論其實除了除了主委之外其他其他請回那是不是我請勞動部勞動部代表來勞動部這個 |
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缺工的問題我覺得百工百業都面對的缺工也說是一個勞動力不足是一個國家安全的問題所以這部分特別是傳統製造業傳統製造業就是3K的部分中南部都是傳統製造業 |
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這個真的是找不到這個勞動力年輕人平時的想法我不要去那種相對比較不好的工作環境比較辛苦的工作環境他選擇比較薪水低但是工作環境比較好選擇服務業所以這個低薪問題沒辦法解決第二個勞動力傳統產業的勞動力永遠是缺乏所以這個製造業這個 |
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百工百業都是缺工所以這種情況之下當然會影響到這個傳送產業競爭力有一個規定就是說3K5級表那是幾年前十幾年前制定3K5級表所以有分5級的部分就按照不同產業類別它有移工合配的比例那我也曾經 |
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跟行政院長說明過這部分是不是有檢討的必要比如說行業的類別可以可以升級或者是可以不像說從B級到A級或者是全部這五級的比例足以增加比如說Aplus我們從35到40 |
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A從25到30這個當然比例可以去調整可以去計算這個不要影響到國內的勞動力市場所以這個部分我想我也跟很多產業都有討論過他們都希望說能夠在整個3K5級表這部分可以做一些調整從國安會角度或者勞動部的立場各位的看法呢這個主委 |
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就我們的看法能夠讓台灣的勞動率能夠充足是很重要的事情那這個其實我們也一直有在溝通勞動部我想勞動部也有一些作為好 勞動部的看法呢 |
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是 謝謝委員 那目前製造業已經有3K5集市再加一個附加就安定費可以提高比例的制度那我想這個制度也實施一段期間我們會再跟經濟部跟國發會我們會持續的再來檢討說是不是有一些地方可以再加一段附加是解決部分的問題啦你要全面解決你所說的所有傳統製造業的問題你就是從比例上去做增加 |
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這個可以精算沒有你增加一趴兩趴會對國內勞動力市場形成什麼影響對移工增加會多少數量能不能解決這個勞動力缺乏的問題我覺得這個應該及時去啟動檢討這個3K5機制 |
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好 謝謝委員的建議那我們會再跟經濟部來整體的來思考就包括本國勞工也要照顧那在合備比例上面是不是也可以做一些檢討好 謝謝因為我時間也到了大家辛苦了謝謝 謝謝周委好 謝謝委員好 謝謝 謝謝邱志偉委員 |
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那下一位請鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員不在那下一位請陳昭芝 陳昭芝委員 陳昭芝委員不在請羅美玲委員 羅美玲委員 羅美玲委員不在好下一位請林月琴委員發言 |
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主席 麻煩我們的經濟部的江次長江次長下午不在喔 不好意思他跟我請假 我准假經濟部是投入省司跟投資促進司那我請那個 |
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老發老發署的那個蘇玉國好請老發署還有衛福部的長照師的市長在嗎來衛福部長照師長照師市長在好 |
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所以我們首先來看到整體的勞動力的長期趨勢根據國安會去推估2070年代台灣的工作 |
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人口 大家只剩下696萬人 單年平均減少18萬人這樣表示什麼 就是我們的可以運用的勞動的人力快速的萎縮這不是所謂的短期的經濟波動 而是結構性的挑戰所以這樣的趨勢 勢必會對產業發生人力的補充的一個 |
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的確勞動部在這幾年用了一些政策比如說除了針對本國人的雇用就業獎勵等促進就業措施那對青年跟女性的穩定就業措施以及對中高齡跟高齡者的持續就業 延緩退休跟退休後的再就業措施以外所以想問說針對勞動部這邊對於非勞動人口的開發是不是你們現在主要的政策 |
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回答委員 我們的確現在目前對於我們的這個中高齡跟二度就業婦女也是認為是可以再開發的所以在本部勞動運營發展署也是有在持續的提出一些措施是不是還可以再提升這個我們中高齡跟婦女的勞動參與率 |
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特別是在照顧離職這一塊現在部裡面也在思考怎麼樣來協助他們我們現在看到數據來看雖然我們的失業率不是這麼高只有3.33%可是20到24歲的青年的大概是11.3%是最高的 |
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那中高零跟二度就業的話也是一個可運用的人力所以我覺得勞動部應該要去考量到說那這些人力的開發有沒有去做耕耘那盡最大努力我們當然希望本國的勞動人口能夠進入到市場來可是還是沒有辦法緩解缺工的問題 |
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所以比较务实的就要引进到外来的那个劳动力所以110年起因应我们的以后的缺工状况陆续松绑产业跟制造农业跟看护工的一些规定从疫情最低的110年的3月起大概65.9万人到114年3月底的话再来一共大概83万人增加17.1万成长约26%想问劳动部就近来你对于 |
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你們對於運輸業有沒有考量開放聘僱移工擔任隨車助理和理貨員因為這個呼聲我們在問產業界他們覺得這事實上是需要的所以勞動部有沒有一個朝向同意開放的方向做規劃進度是什麼好 那向委員報告就是我們其實已經在最近也跟我們交通部 |
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也在討論這個有關運輸業要引進外國人力的問題那在要延攬的對象我們也討論認為是優先先以僑外學生這樣的一個優質人力作為一個延攬的對象先講的是隨車助理跟理貨員還不是司機 |
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隨車助理跟理貨員的這塊我們在前兩個月也有預告蘭嶺的審查標準也把這個橋外學生可以從事包括貨車司機跟理貨員的這樣的工作也納進來不過因為現在預告之後社會各界還是有一些政策上面以及配套措施有一些不同的意見所以目前也在跟交通部持續的在收集社會上的意見 |
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那再進一步想問是說你們有在規劃中的還有哪些產業?在上一次的法規預告裡面還有包括了我們的醫院裡面的護理護主那也有包括客運司機駕駛員以及安全管理人員那這幾個都是你剛才的預告 |
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業者的駕駛 所以2022年大四月30號 我們開放外國人從事中階技術的工作的話他還包含製造營造跟農業屠宰那漁撈與看護那2024年還新增了旅宿業的僑外生納入到中階的技術工作 這顯示政府有 |
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逐步去回應人力不足的地方所以也想問就是說勞動部這邊運輸業有開放中階擔任駕駛的呼聲可是台灣道路交通狀況複雜違規駕駛所造成的事故事實上是頻繁的面對實際狀況跟產業的訴求那我不知道勞動部你們的態度是什麼 |
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那我想的確如委員所說的交通安全這個是最重要的那再怎麼樣缺工透過我們不管是補充橋外生或者是外國人都應該要以這個為重所以我們現在也跟交通部有保持的如果那請交通部這邊也要再提出完整的一個政策評估跟配套措施特別是在交通安全的部分這現在持續在討論當中是由交通部持續的在評估跟規劃中 |
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那一樣的就問勞動部跟衛福部的市長這邊長期照顧產業因為人力缺乏導致業間照顧服務項目沒有辦法開辦因為開放中中階的那個聘僱人力的訴求那請問一下兩位你各自同意這項開放嗎 |
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跟委员说明事实上我们也因应国人比较不喜欢从事的一些时段工作我们其实在我们相关的法规也同步在做修正那我们也提了修法案给了劳动部那劳动部也纳在研议当中那劳动部研议的进度呢 |
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向委員報告就是除了我們剛剛也有講到像在長照機構的這個評估人力我們先前跟衛福部檢討過後有做法規鬆綁之外那目前跟衛福部討論的就是在醫院裡面的照顧附著所以這一塊我們目前在跟衛福部還在進一步的評估所以接續你剛剛講的就是醫院現在你也要開放中階的那個人力單位 |
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護理佐的訴求所以這個你們目前也在規劃當中最後就是想問的是目前政府推動的移工的留才久用的方案比較是希望有經驗的移工留下來做中階技術工作可是也設下了很多限制因為中階人力不能超過移工的配額的25%可是所有移工當中中階人力跟外國的專業人才總和又不能超過 |
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總額員工的50%對很多中小企業來說這些上限都會讓他們即使願意用人但也受限於一個比例的關卡形成制度上的瓶頸所以問勞動部對中介人力不能超過移工配額的25%以及所有移工中介人力跟外國專業人才總額不能超過50%勞動部有沒有意願或有沒有已經規劃要提高額度 |
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那首先在這個外國人力不可以超過員工50%的這個部分因為基於還是要保障以國人就業為優先那我想這個部分應該還是建議是要維持而且要審慎另外在產業類的部分現行是不能超過移工的合併比例25%也就是四個移工可以留一個資深的移工那我想這個部分 |
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我們也會再跟經部來共同的檢討看在這一塊是不是可以多留一些我們資深的移工那讓他們可以留下來繼續貢獻而不是轉到其他的這個國家那我們這個人力資源有點是培訓資源上的浪費最後想問勞動部你們有沒有精算這一批移工所繳納的勞保的保費跟未來領取勞保年金給付收支是否得以平衡計算的結果是什麼 |
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很抱歉委員我是這個勞動力發展組沒有負責勞保人員好 那就事後請你們再回去把資料給我最後就問師長就台灣幾年後大概將有一批取得永久居留的外國人在台灣邁入到高齡他們勢必有使用長照資源的需求的話你們的規劃是什麼 |
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目前因應專法 事實上我們也有推估了相關永居的外國人才的人數因為28條跟29條分別是針對他的家屬或子女有這些身障者或者是有失能的狀況 |
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那我们按照这些相关的失能率跟身障的这个肾型率推估出来的人数现在人数是有掌握因为必须还要居留满十年所以这个部分相关数据都有掌握好那在会后再麻烦把这些相关数据给我们这边好谢谢 |
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好謝謝林月琴林委員那下一位請何新淳委員何新淳委員何新淳委員不在好我們登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束委員張家俊陳昭之蘇清泉柯志恩林淑芬王育敏邱振軍所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會好我們本日議程詢答完畢另則其繼續審查謝謝大家現在散會 |