| IVOD_ID |
167620 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167620 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T11:30:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:41:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053c234c5be83045d676c6d05596fd77c734d1c9dfa77de2098328f139af069e70d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
牛煦庭 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:11 - 11:41:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席許委員長有請請您委員長 |
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林委員早安 歡迎加入外委會謝謝委員長這剛剛我們本來也要問這個易南的正名問題不過我想剛剛徐小青委員問得非常清楚委員長的回答也算蠻清楚的希望有這樣子的一個特案處理的機制可以服務更多的僑民那空一點時間我剛剛有稍微聽一下質詢剛剛方才這個執政黨委員在質詢的時候這委員長好像要幫自己的員工叫屈啊說因為總預算的關係健保要停保然後有一些人薪水拖欠 |
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這我再給你一次機會真的有這樣的狀況嗎應該這樣講健保的部分是因為2024年大法官釋憲後那這個停保制度就沒有辦法持續沒有停保的問題嘛不可能我要講清楚一點 |
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停保是這樣過去我們駐外人員在海外的時候他們就國內不用再保是保海外的保但是從2025年起他們就全部都要加保包括那個券保也都要加那就變成額外的費用所以這一塊後來行政院就統一決定說由我們行政部門來編列預算幫他們付保費那去年的保費呢基本上我們是用我們人事的結餘款因為在2024我們就來不及編了所以是用人事結餘款以及特別費不是特別費啦 |
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反正就是有辦法雲芝嘛對不對今年對付過去了對不對那如果是加薪的部分如果有通過的這個不會積欠對嘛所以要把獎金不是加薪啦不是加薪我說錯了是說值等調整的那個不會積欠值等調整的薪水調整沒有這個問題嘛對不對你好好澄清不要人事是不受這個預算法規定的這個限制健保的部分我也提醒委員長這個稍早立法院通過的718億的新興計畫裡面都有含在裡面的 |
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沒有吧沒有所以是可以所以是可以動手沒有真的我也沒有含貨這一塊沒有真的沒有好沒關係啊這個我是覺得這個要把話講清楚如果你真的有需要的話你把健保這個部分你如果是還有我們海外信保基金的一部分海外海外會相關的部分你會後提供一份完整的資料因為你如果有實際上的需求的話大家要提新計劃特案特案動資的話我們在野黨倒是不會反對啦是是那我們不希望這個題目變政治化的處理啦 |
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好我們回到我們今天主要問的主題還是希望盡快婦委審查啦因為已經115年的3月了嘛好 我們也希望軍人加薪趕快執行啦對不對好 我要問今天的主題啦一樣是跟僑生流用相關的這樣子的一個題目這個其實簡單來說啊 |
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這包含國民黨黨團過去一段時間開的記者會而講所謂的有在學學工的狀況嘛就變很多人來其實是為了變相的變成所謂的黑工也好或是怎麼樣雖然部分解決了缺工的問題但那其實不是一個正規的一個手段那在學學工就算了那畢業之後就回國這才是大問題嘛來委員長這個我們目前以喬生來講就好因為喬委會主管喬生嘛喬生畢業之後首份工作留在台灣的比例大概是多少 |
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去年我們大院才正式修法通過這也是經過我們過去五年的努力就是早期的僑生要留台幾乎很難因為沒有配套機制所以大部分的僑生除非他馬上找到高薪的工作或是他自己創業了所以包括像群聯這樣子的一個角色我就問他說 |
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你為什麼當時要創業他說如果我不創業我就無法留在台灣了所以委員比例大概是多少早期的人數少所以合定的這個能夠留下來的也少正如老師講所以那時候比例三成我一點都不意外因為沒有配奧措施而且最重要的他不是等到畢業他才沒有留台是因為他在就讀過程當中的第一年第二年他就退場了是啊 |
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所以我也了解那個機制剛剛黃雁銘委員問過同樣的問題數字到底比例是多少現在去年開始有到八成了去年開始有到八成了工作坊三年之後繼續留在台灣比例是多少 |
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工作滿三年因為還沒有新的制度實施還沒有滿三年所以你認為制度修正之後就可以徹底解決這樣問題嗎會改善很多天下雜誌人才永續頻道有進行一次不好意思我跟委員補充天下雜誌他當時引用的資料事實上有很多錯誤的地方或者是很久以前的案子而且他弄錯的對象是錯的因為我們境外生有很多種 |
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這種課程裝班還有僑生有外生沒關係我們一段一段來梳理是是是把問題問完嘛當時大部分的僑外生來台灣都希望可以取得長期居留甚至是工作的一個機會但實際上大概按照他的說法大概有八成的部分是沒有辦法順利留才當然嘛第一個調查的時間可能早了一點我講你現在有所謂的心智但我想很多結構性的問題才是發生這樣子問題的主因嘛結構友善才能保障權益大家都講說我們希望保障僑外生的權益 |
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但前提是結構要友善如果這個結構不友善換言之 喬艾森要留台的門檻太高的時候那他的權益反而沒辦法確保他反而會助長很多人想說反正你既然未來畢業之後要就業的難度很高所以我才會有一些人開始動歪腦筋就是說那我在就學的時候我就開始搞些有的沒的 |
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所以就會出現在學學工畢業回國這樣一個狀況好那現在結構的問題我現在跟你探討結構的問題第一個是企業的聘僱意願恐怕是不太高而且資本額的限制是問題的嘛現在僑外生畢業之後大概除非說我走專業人才留用機制嘛也就是說碩士以上學歷或者是四萬七千塊以上的薪水好這樣一個狀況我就走專業人才聘用這個 |
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雖然聽起來沒什麼問題但實際上使用的比例是低的大部分人走的所謂的評點配合制度嘛也就是說按照學歷、心智能他等於是打分數嘛分數過關之後可以來處理門檻比較低也是比較多僑生、外生比較想要採用的這樣一個方式但問題是這個評點配合制度好像有一些門檻在嘛還有企業聘用本身的門檻 |
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就我的本席的了解啦這個雇主的資本額啊可能要到五百萬元以上等等但委員長你也知道嘛對不對你也做過基層民意代表的工作有很多服務業的他可能達不到啦就全台灣百分之九十九是中小企業或者他全年營業額一千萬啦兩種條件啦十一就可以了但是我也很知道現實狀況我也跟這些企業談過其實他們有些人是這樣子因為他我不知道 |
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不好方便在公開方面說明啦我可能私下再跟您說明一些真實情況你要私下跟我說明真實情況你就公開講就好啦不是 有什麼壓力嗎如果他是登記五百萬資本額這個沒有什麼意義但是通常是年營業額一千萬怎麼算對 怎麼算的問題他們有些人因為低報了啦我簡單講就是低報了我理解那因為他低報了意思是他就沒有資格去申請 |
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就是這個問題這就是結構問題嘛這個是因為大家有時候總是想要鑽對他自己有利的這個方向嘛所以有一好沒有二好我們政府是公平的所以它形成一種硬性門檻嘛其實不管是資本五百萬這五年來的問題問我好不好好好好 |
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資本額500萬元或者是營業額1000萬元以上其實就跟很多重要企業 而且重要企業尤其缺工它其實出現了一些背離的所以委員我們有送這些 國發會有送法案進來就是說希望讓中階人才的這個禁用可以放寬以後不再受評點制評點制未來也會走入歷史了這就是我們現在在努力的目標 |
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因為有評點制跟過去的門檻比較高門檻高的時候很多企業就認為說我要讓你過關或什麼他就形成有特殊照顧他形成一種勞資結構的一種不對等那加上喬生都希望取得永居嘛等等那取得永居在取得永居之前的工作經驗等等他其實跟其他人就是一致的這個就比較沒有問題嘛那再來就第三個是這個求職期間啦這個過去啦當然你新的制度有修正嘛我現在給你兩年的一個寬限期 |
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讓你在過程中也可以打工可以有一個正常生活的一個水準對但是如果我們的核心問題不解決核心問題也就是說真正邁進到正式就業的這個門檻太高的話是延長兩年打工就跟你再學工意思是一樣的沒有錯 |
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所以我今天要講的是你還是要解決根本問題跨部會的橫向溝通去把這個門檻做合理的放寬你要去了解這個缺工的地方在哪裡嘛如果缺工的地方就在中小校裡面你們哪有空我們的想法一模一樣所以我過去四五年期間一直不斷的跟其他部會做了這個溝通了所以喬惠會基本上贊成這個方向對不對我們一直是贊成而且國防會也同戰如流有聽及我們的意見所以他的修法方向我這個地方哪些部會反對 |
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537.955 |
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560.897 |
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沒有人反對沒有人反對那怎麼那麼久現在是因為立法院沒有排案啊我說你在前面溝通你講你講好幾次好幾年對不對我溝通很多年了我現在建議是這樣子啊為了要讓不管是未來法案審查也好或者是說你自己在內部溝通也好或者是怎麼樣更清楚僑委會現在有沒有建立離台僑生的追蹤調查機制 |
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561.818 |
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589.936 |
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你要長時間服務這麼多喬生然後有些人留著有些人離開離開了過去很多你講你要看新制執行的一些成效等等那你總要了解一下離開的原因吧有沒有這樣子的離台追蹤調查有 現在有開始了因為早期我們的喬生整體的資料都是控管在教育部像我負責的部分呢如果是從我的招生專案進來的我會掌握如果不是我招生專案進來的我就不一定掌握 |
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609.113 |
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所以境外生有些我沒有掌握但是現在我要跟委員報告我們有進步了我們有跟教育部協調說是不是所有境外生資料境外生就包含僑生跟外籍生這個統一的資料庫我們可不可以去幫忙追蹤所以我們現在確實有在啟動追蹤機制只要在台灣有正式畢業 |
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615.239 |
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641.856 |
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我不會要求你一定要全部都那個因為它有跨部會的問題但是至少僑生的部分嘛會會會僑生的部分是是是僑生我們就簡單的開始你可以完全掌握的開始是是是也就是僑生的留也好離也好的最終調查期只要是離開了我一定會追蹤他好 你剛才提供哪一些相關的資料我如果講說你已經開始了還是去年開始追蹤了對 去年開始追蹤了好 那你就把第一次去年開始追蹤到去年什麼時候開始去年年初還是去年年底我們年中才開始的年中才開始 |
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專班學生的部分我們可以提供你現在手上到什麼樣或者是要到執行一個階段有一個資料的時候你提供一下給外國會委員做一下參考嘛當然是針對僑害生的權益啊如何來做確保第二個也可以讓國內的溝通更加的迅速嘛我們把它放寬一些門檻讓他們的就業會留下來解決台灣的缺口問題好嗎委員我就必須要補充一點就是因為我們新舊制正在一個交替的過程這個我願意理解所以我講你說有新制度所以我剛才問你嘛是從什麼時候開始的嘛 |
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672.501 |
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685.71 |
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如果你是今年年初或去年年底才開始因為說法是去年八月通過的嘛對 所以我們才開始做你抓一個時間啦 也就是半年的一個初期的執行報告留下來追蹤機制的初步報告我們來看看有什麼樣可以精進優化的地方啦 好不好好的 謝謝 好 謝謝委員 |