| IVOD_ID |
167610 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167610 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T11:15:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T11:23:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053dd5377799f139accd268b4a161496bd94d1c9dfa77de2098080973923c6b5d8c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
萬美玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:15:50 - 11:23:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、 邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、 邀請核能安全委員會、經濟部、台灣電力股份有限公司就「我國核電廠再運轉之規劃及推動現況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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接下來有請萬美林委員質詢謝謝召委我們一樣請陳明珍主委還有我們賴次長還有我們許副總請三個機關代表上台謝謝 |
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诶 诸位 我们那个都一起好了 我们巩部长提到今天大家也在问 河山厂已经启动了自主安全检查三月就要这个运转计划送到河安会那预计2028年就可以将河山重启而且也说到如果这个汰换设备这个不多重启的时间就会再缩短那我们美国西屋公司其实也要展开了设备老化的分析这些工作那我这边再确认一次 |
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核三厂再运转计划三月份要送核安慰距离现在只剩下12天的时间那跟台电经济部跟各位确认核三厂再运转的计划其实有没有改变会如期送到吗 |
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這個部分剛剛台電公司已經有表達他會在三月底之前送出來再運轉計畫說完全沒有問題所以計畫也不會改變對不對這是確定的嘛好那再來喔 國務黨又說到他說現在我們美國的西屋公司已經開始展開設備老化的一個分析的工作了這沒有錯嗎 |
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那台電在這段時間也開始進行安全檢查核安會的報告又提到說有派員赴核電廠掌握了設備的現況那我想請教一下主委請教一下許副總我們現在掌握設備是不用汰換的是有多少那預計有沒有辦法縮短核三廠重啟的時間要檢測當然要檢測最晚以後才知道說我 |
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才能知道說我這個設備到底我未來如果要繼續運轉到底他需不需要去做更換 |
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對那現在因為剛才已經說過嘛已經開始進行安全檢查所以現在已經檢測到大概百分之多少目前來講我們剛開始進行一些檢測的工作那蘋果的工作當然之前大概就已經所以檢測完成了嗎還沒有還沒有進行了多少目前來講這個月開始我們會開始進行所謂的蒸汽產生器也就產生蒸汽做發電把它當成是一個工程一個計畫現在進行了百分之多少目前來講大概就是 |
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西屋的那一塊我講西屋那一塊西屋那一塊目前來講正在做一些他給他的下包商的工具的這個製造不好意思直接回答我一下現在進行了百分之多少了 |
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目前來講我這裡沒有手上沒有詳細的數字那就是剛開始的意思對不對那我想有開始總是好的但是麻煩進度要趕上我講的是檢測的部分那麼我想再請教一下主委好了我們核安會作為我們核能最高的主管機關也是一個審查的單位主委你認為核三廠重啟是一個完全的科學問題還是政治問題 |
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我們核證一定本是專業確定他安全我們才會讓他所以是科學問題還是政治問題是科學技術上的問題科學問題嘛對不對很好為什麼這樣問因為我們這麼多年說下來核安會是獨立的機關就是要提醒主委說您剛說到的專業審查這件事情是很重要的所以 |
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千千萬萬不要讓政治去影響這個在專業上這件事情該怎麼審就要怎麼審當然了 核產廠能不能在2028去重啟還有一個問題我們知道賴清德總統他說過核電重啟的三大原則一 核安無虞二 核廢有解 |
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三 社會要有共識那我今天來提醒這個經濟部或者河安會有沒有跟行政院討論過關於所說的核廢油解這件事情什麼叫做核廢油解 標準是什麼是最終儲市場出來叫做核廢油解還是要具備什麼樣條件這非常模糊 能不能說明一下還是賴總統說了算 |
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首先跟委員說明啊 這些無論在運轉中的或是在審查中的這個計劃其實這個核廢料的處理都是階段性的處理不管是低階或是高放我們那麼重點告訴我核廢油解的標準你認為是什麼或是乾除的一個作業都是我們跟國際同軌來進行運轉中的這個核電廠的 |
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我們目前擁有高階核廢料最終處理廠的國家有多少? |
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最終處置嗎 我已經講最終處置嗎高階核廢料最終處置廠目前來講大概只有芬蘭只有芬蘭一家嘛芬蘭也還沒有正式拿到它的使用執照它目前在做一些試運轉測試對對對 好 沒錯就是目前嚴格算來就是只有芬蘭一家嘛是那除了這些國家以外就除了芬蘭之外其他的國家對於高階核廢料怎麼處理的你們知道嗎核廢料 我簡單講就是核廢料的處置其實上這一塊是其他的國家大致上都是用什麼方式處理的 |
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目前來講大概乾式儲存還是乾式儲存我在這裡要提醒一下就是我國高階核廢料最終儲置廠現在可以說是連法規都沒有所以次長也在這裡我請教最後一個問題我們高階核廢料選址條例的草案進度現在到哪裡了什麼時候才能夠出來 |
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第一個我們去年成立辦公室那這個辦公室目前工作的重點有三個部分第一個說起到國外核能使用的國家它法規的一個訂定的一個過程那另外對於民間版的一些的意見我們也在做綜合的這個整理除此之外的話我們也辦了相關的所謂的所以草案還在草案是這樣嗎 |
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还在资料收集的阶段我认为真的需要再快一点脚步要再快一点所以惠惠也告诉我一下你这个草案进度实际现在到哪里了做了哪些事情那你预计还要多久时间才能够完成把这个草案顺利完成完毕以后因为这样子我们到后来高阶核废料最终储施场的建立 |
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我想這都是一系列非常的重要的所以最後我提醒我想我們這個高階核廢料的最後最終處置場這個不是短時間之內就能建立起來這你們一定同意但我們低階核廢料最終處置場也跟地方又溝通了10年也還沒有一個這個結果 |
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所以本席認為高階的這個最終主持長的預估時間可能會更久因此在每一個環節我拜託大家我們的腳步要加快一點要更積極一點否則我們這個核電廠重啟會是遙遙無期以上兩個我需要調的資料拜託今天都能夠給我可以嗎我們相關的這個我們現在工作的方向整理起來給我好不好因為那都是本來就有的好不好謝謝謝謝萬美林薇 |
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謝謝召委。 |
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我一樣請陳明真主委、賴次長還有許副總。 |
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好，請三個機關的代表上臺，謝謝。 |
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2026-03-18T11:16:36.615000+08:00 |
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主委，今天大家有在問一個問題，龔部長有提到，核三廠已經啟動了自主安全檢查，3月就要把運轉計畫送到核安會，預計2028年就可以將核三重啟，而且也說到如果汰換的設備不多，重啟的時間就會再縮短；美國西屋公司其實也要展開設備老化的分析等工作。 |
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0.515 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:16:37.575000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:16:49.660000+08:00 |
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我這邊再確認一次，核三廠再運轉計畫3月份要送核安會，距離現在只剩下12天的時間，我要跟台電、經濟部的各位首長確認，核三廠再運轉的計畫期程有沒有改變？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.477 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-03-18T11:16:50.381000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-03-18T11:16:50.981000+08:00 |
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會如期送到嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-03-18T11:16:53.787000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-03-18T11:16:59.552000+08:00 |
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這個部分剛剛台電公司已經有表達會在3月底之前送出來再運轉計畫。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-03-18T11:16:59.552000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:02.755000+08:00 |
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所以完全沒有問題，計畫也不會改變，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:02.755000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:03.735000+08:00 |
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這是確定的嘛？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:04.536000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:12.162000+08:00 |
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再來，龔部長也說到現在美國的西屋公司已經開始展開設備老化的分析工作了，這沒有錯嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:14.324000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:17:28.716000+08:00 |
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好，台電在這段時間也開始進行安全檢查，核安會的報告又提到有派員赴核電廠掌握設備的現況，我想請教一下許副總，我們現在掌握到不用汰換的設備有多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:30.457000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:32.699000+08:00 |
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有沒有辦法縮短核三廠重啟的時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:32.699000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:32.819000+08:00 |
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要檢測。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:32.819000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:34.060000+08:00 |
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當然要檢測啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:35.682000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:42.906000+08:00 |
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如果未來要繼續運轉，就要等檢測完以後才能知道這個設備到底需不需要更換。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:43.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:49.848000+08:00 |
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對，剛才有說過已經開始進行安全檢查，現在已經檢測大概百分之多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:50.568000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:56.613000+08:00 |
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以目前來講，我們剛開始進行一些檢測的工作，那評估的工作當然之前大概就已經…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:57.233000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:58.154000+08:00 |
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已經完成檢測了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:58.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:58.814000+08:00 |
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還沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-03-18T11:17:59.375000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-03-18T11:17:59.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
進行了多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:00.536000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:08.241000+08:00 |
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以目前來講，我們會從這個月開始進行所謂的蒸氣產生器，也就是產生蒸氣做發電…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:08.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:11.263000+08:00 |
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如果把它當成一個工程、一個計畫，現在進行了百分之多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:14.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:21.209000+08:00 |
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我講西屋那一塊，以目前來講，它正在給它的下包商做工具的製造部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:21.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:25.151000+08:00 |
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不好意思，你直接回答我現在進行了百分之多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:26.054000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:28.755000+08:00 |
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目前我手上沒有詳細的數字。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:29.015000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:30.975000+08:00 |
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那就是剛開始的意思，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:30.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:31.975000+08:00 |
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對，剛開始，我講的是檢測的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:31.115000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:18:34.696000+08:00 |
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我想有開始總是好的，但是麻煩進度要趕上，好不好？是。 |
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0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:36.157000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:18:48.780000+08:00 |
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我想再請教一下主委，核安會作為我們核能最高的主管機關，也是一個審查的單位，主委認為核三廠重啟是一個完全的科學問題還是政治問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:50.202000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:55.687000+08:00 |
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我們對核三廠一定秉持專業，確定它安全，我們才會讓它…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.696 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:56.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-18T11:18:58.710000+08:00 |
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所以是科學問題還是政治問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳主任委員明真 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-18T11:18:58.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:01.754000+08:00 |
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是科學技術上的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:01.754000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:02.274000+08:00 |
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是科學問題嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:02.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:02.975000+08:00 |
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對不對？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:02.975000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:19:04.516000+08:00 |
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很好，我為什麼這樣問？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:04.516000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:19:20.248000+08:00 |
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因為我們這麼多年下來都說核安會是獨立的機關，就是要提醒主委，您剛剛說到的專業審查這件事情是很重要的，所以千千萬萬不要讓政治去影響，在專業上對這件事情該怎麼審就要怎麼審。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:20.248000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:19:32.493000+08:00 |
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當然，核三廠能不能在2028年重啟還有一個問題，我們知道賴清德總統說過核電重啟的三大原則：第一是核安無虞；第二是核廢有解；第三是社會要有共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:32.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:40.780000+08:00 |
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我今天要來提醒，經濟部或核安會有沒有跟行政院討論過核廢有解這件事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:41.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:44.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
什麼叫做核廢有解，標準是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:44.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:46.185000+08:00 |
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是最終處置場出來叫做核廢有解嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:46.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:47.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
還是要具備什麼樣的條件？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:49.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:50.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
這非常的模糊，能不能說明一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:50.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-03-18T11:19:50.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
還是賴總統說了算？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-18T11:19:57.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-03-18T11:20:10.147000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
首先跟委員說明，無論是在運轉中或是審查中的計畫，其實核廢料的處理都是階段性的處理，不管是低階或是高放的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-18T11:20:10.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-18T11:20:13.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你能不能重點的告訴我，核廢有解的標準你認為是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-18T11:20:13.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-03-18T11:20:17.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
濕貯或是乾貯的作業，我們都是跟國際同軌的進行運轉中核電廠的核廢料貯存。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:17.590000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:18.756000+08:00 |
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這樣好不好？ |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:18.756000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:19.922000+08:00 |
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我覺得這一題也不是你這樣三言兩語就可以答出來的，你會後給本席一個報告，核廢有解的意義有哪些？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.023 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:19.922000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:21.088000+08:00 |
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條件有哪些條件？ |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:21.088000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:22.254000+08:00 |
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這總是可以給我，今天下午就可以來嘛！ |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:22.254000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:24.055000+08:00 |
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我想再請教主委一下，目前擁有高階核廢料最終處置場的國家有多少？ |
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0.621 |
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許副總經理永輝 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:43.325000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:44.266000+08:00 |
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委員是講最終處置嗎？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:44.266000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:46.206000+08:00 |
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高階核廢料最終處置場。 |
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0.9 |
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許副總經理永輝 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:46.947000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:47.927000+08:00 |
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目前來講大概只有芬蘭。 |
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1 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:47.927000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:49.167000+08:00 |
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只有芬蘭一家嘛！ |
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1 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:49.167000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:50.167000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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0 |
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許副總經理永輝 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:49.368000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:54.229000+08:00 |
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芬蘭也還沒有拿到正式的使用執照，它目前還在做試運轉測試。 |
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0.885 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:54.229000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:57.810000+08:00 |
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對，好，沒錯，目前嚴格算來就只有芬蘭一家嘛！是。 |
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1 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:20:58.211000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:04.573000+08:00 |
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除了這些國家以外，就是除了芬蘭之外，其他的國家對於高階核廢料是怎麼處理的，你們知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.949 |
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許副總經理永輝 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:05.073000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:07.894000+08:00 |
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我簡單的講，其實核廢料的處置這一塊…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.812 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:08.034000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:10.495000+08:00 |
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其他的國家大致上都是用什麼方式在處理的？ |
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0.947 |
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許副總經理永輝 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:11.375000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:12.736000+08:00 |
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目前來講大概都是乾式貯存。 |
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0.75 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:13.037000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:13.257000+08:00 |
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還是乾式貯存。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
許副總經理永輝 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:13.257000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:14.718000+08:00 |
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像美國，美國最多的就是乾式貯存。 |
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0.071 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:14.718000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:21.244000+08:00 |
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我在這裡要提醒一下，我國高階核廢料最終處置場現在可以說是連法規都沒有。 |
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0.939 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:22.325000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:29.270000+08:00 |
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次長也在這裡，我請教最後一個問題，我們的高階核廢料選址條例草案進度現在到哪裡了？ |
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0.973 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:29.691000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:29.931000+08:00 |
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什麼時候才能夠出來？ |
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1 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:31.940000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:37.563000+08:00 |
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第一個，我們去年已經成立辦公室，這個辦公室目前的工作重點有三個部分。 |
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0.903 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:38.123000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:53.270000+08:00 |
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第一個，蒐集國外核能使用國家法規訂定的過程；另外，對於民間版的意見，我們也在做綜合的整理；除此之外，我們也有舉辦相關的說明會跟意見說明。 |
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0.803 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:54.331000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:55.912000+08:00 |
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所以還在草案的階段，是這樣嗎？對。 |
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0.714 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:57.132000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:58.193000+08:00 |
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還在資料蒐集的階段？ |
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0.556 |
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賴次長建信 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:58.193000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:59.734000+08:00 |
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對，還在研擬。 |
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0 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:21:59.734000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:06.679000+08:00 |
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我認為真的需要再快一點，腳步要再快一點，所以會後也告訴我一下，你這個草案的進度實際到哪裡了？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.643 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:06.860000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:07.560000+08:00 |
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你們做了哪些事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.75 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:08.301000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:12.764000+08:00 |
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你預計還要多久的時間才能夠把這個草案順利的完成、完畢？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.52 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:13.765000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:20.011000+08:00 |
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因為高階核廢料最終處置場的建立，我想這都是一系列、非常重要的。 |
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0.75 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:20.592000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:24.237000+08:00 |
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最後，我要提醒，我們高階核廢的最終處置場，這個不是短時間內就能夠建立起來的，這個你們一定同意嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.884 |
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萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:24.257000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:48.240000+08:00 |
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但是我們的低階核廢料最終處置場，也跟地方溝通了10年了，也還沒有一個結果，所以本席認為高階核廢料最終處置場的預估時間可能會更久，因此在每一個環節，我拜託大家，我們的腳步要加快一點、要更積極一點，否則我們的核電廠重啟將會是遙遙無期。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:48.640000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:53.823000+08:00 |
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以上2個我需要調的資料，拜託今天都能夠給我，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
賴次長建信 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:53.823000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:57.125000+08:00 |
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我們會把現在相關的工作方向提供給委員。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:57.426000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:22:58.126000+08:00 |
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整理給我好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
萬委員美玲 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-18T11:22:58.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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2026-03-18T11:23:00.487000+08:00 |
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因為那個本來就有，好不好？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-18T11:23:00.487000+08:00 |
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2026-03-18T11:23:00.487000+08:00 |
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謝謝萬美玲委員，請官員回座。 |
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0.333 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-18T11:23:00.987000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-18T11:23:03.844143+08:00 |
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接下來有請劉書彬委員。 |
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0 |