| IVOD_ID |
167606 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167606 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T10:43:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T10:53:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad605319fd42f4790564f875f3d6415d2a29ea4d1c9dfa77de209814d5e53a528fd4095ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱若華 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:04 - 10:53:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長及國家科學及技術委員會主任委員就「落實臺灣AI治理與基礎建設，發展臺灣AI軟體產業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。【3月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝 再為主席有請速發部林部長我們請速發部林部長 |
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邱委員早安部長早部長全世界都在談台灣is the AI hub當然對機場還有產業來說一方面雖然感到驕傲但同時也感到焦慮為什麼會感到焦慮我們確實有世界最強的晶片產業當然回答還有台積電把台灣推向硬體核心的時候我們政府在法治環境還有算力還有能源基礎建設有沒有跟上如果政府 |
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他沒有跟上的話那沒有跟上他的速度沒有跟上技術發展的時候呢台灣只有可能在這一波全球AI的發展競爭中出現我們有最強的晶片可是卻沒有相應的治理寬窄還有足夠的電力建設以及電力建設所以本席先從治理還有基礎的基礎建設的面向就叫部長部長把這件事應該是產業他發展的第一心玩不是他的不明確性來源 |
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那目前全球AI治理已經進入高風險的時代了像歐盟的法案EU AI Act它在2024年正式生效它將AI依風險等級分類管制那美國也透過了行政命令來強制要求AI巨頭進行安全測驗那我們回頭來看台灣現在目前雖然AI基本法已經通過了三讀並且公告但最關鍵的AI治理架構要等到今年年底才出來沒有錯啦 |
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那AI發展 風險架構我們的AI基本法 |
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風險框架應該是在三月底四月初就會我們這邊就會抱怨了三月底四月初大概兩三個禮拜內我們就會兩三個禮拜嗎那不是要提到AI的發展是一週的單位來做計算嗎那像OpenAI的GPT還有Google的Gemini他們每年也在重寫他們的模型那如果我們治理框架你說要到三月底那馬上就上路了嗎馬上就可以業主業者了嗎 |
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當然我們報院以後要看那個行政報院之後如果院合訂之後我們就會在AI基本法底下的規定的時間內去執行所以沒有法律的真空期嗎 |
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這目前不會啊我們核定之後我們就會去做而且部理會還會去協助去協助各機關去訂立相關的管理規範管理規範同樣也是在三月底嗎還是要在還有一段時間嗎那是多長一段時間 |
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跟委員說明一下我們現在的AI風險管理框架事實上是三層的架構在最上層就是AI基本法這個主管機關目前是國科會在AI基本法下面我們事務發布會訂定AI風險管理框架 |
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AI風險分類框架那我們數法部訂了這個AI風險分類框架之後呢那個各個部會就會依照這個風險分類框架去訂定作用法譬如說以衛福部來講他們就要訂定那個就是AI技術在那個 |
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醫療產業裡面它是怎麼樣應用怎樣規管怎樣去認證等等然後到時候發生了風險到底是由醫生負責醫院負責還是有軟體公司負責等等這個都是我們是有三層的架構那我們現在最上面那一層感謝那個立法院我們現在已經通過了AI基本法我們現在就趕快把這個風險風雷框架做好我剛想要問就是如果這段時間發生AI侵權或是技術濫用的話那蘇巴夫的權責還有他的責任機制在哪裡 |
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對 那現在就是說以衛福部來講的話其實他們有些作用法已經也在立法了甚至於之前在AI基本法通過之前他們甚至有一些比較沒有爭議的部分他們都已經在做了那我們當然會盡快加速這個整個進程 |
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儘快加速那有沒有一個明確的時間因為我同時也要問蘇防部有沒有參考歐盟的風險分級制度是 這個事情跟委員說明一下基本上現在民主國家對於這個AI風險的管理事實上有很不同的看法美國跟歐盟的看法非常不一樣事實上我們台灣在制定那個AI基本法的時候一開始就是參照歐盟的那個AIE Act |
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可是美國那邊有非常不同的看法就如同委員上面寫的就是歐盟它事實上有列出一個不可接受之風險它列出了八種樣態的AI系統包含潛意識監控包含社會 |
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社會信用等等這個都不准發展可是美國人他們認為說regulation hinders innovation他們認為說太多的監管會妨礙AI的發展所以美國他們是採用的方法是就是用這種AI風險分類框架的這種方式來做 |
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現在美國跟歐盟他們的管理風險他們的成績不一樣那未來台灣的軟體廠商要如何接軌國際他們要怎麼去達成這個合規的要求所以我們後來做的方法就是在那個美國方式跟歐盟方式模式裡面我們找到一個平衡點我們叫做台灣模式就是我剛剛講的這個三層的架構因為我們認為說這個AI的風險不應該是由速發部來做一個非常沒關係 |
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是,謝謝 |
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副主委好副主委我們常說半島敵是台灣的戲盾那我們也在確保國家的戰略優勢那最近有摩根史丹利他近期發布的報告震驚業界他指指台灣的晶片還有製造正面力電力供給不穩那產能也過度集中兩大的系統風險 |
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那我們知道AI晶片它的製造還有運算它的耗電量是穿透製成的數倍所以它會消耗台灣近10%的電力那另外台灣的天然氣儲存大大概只有12到14天那如果能源出現問題對晶片還有科技業勢必造成終極那當國會編列10年3000億的精創台灣方案時本行沒有看到政府對於AI的算力基礎建設的設施然後還有能源配套有任何具體的保障那國會這邊的看法是 |
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因為能源的部分其實不算是國科會在主管不過我們在發展這個AI是因為我們要發展AI嗎你們有沒有去做過這個供電的韌性評估呢就是針對AI的算力算區是 報告委員我們在對於這個算力建置的時候我們有去做這個電力的評估而且也有做跟這個台電有密切的合作去確保這個電力的供給是無庸置疑的 |
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所以不好意思我再請蘇發布的部長部長您剛有提到我們台灣目前的GPU算力是多少我們現在分成幾個部分就是說政府方面的話那個如果是學術界需要用的算力是由國科會這邊負責的那現在目前的算力GPU是多少 |
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是40嗎?蘇巴部這邊的就40片那報告中有提到要提升到140那你認為這樣的算力夠嗎?不夠,絕對不夠那算力需要電力沒有錯吧?是那現在的電力是足夠的嗎?國客會跟蘇巴部這邊的了解依照我們的了解,現在經濟部沒有跟我們說沒有說,那這樣子的算力有競爭力嗎? |
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OK 那事實上我跟委員說一下因為全世界現在大部分的算力都是民間去建立的像說美國的那個STARGATE的那個計畫那市長這邊美國的Microsoft Google Amazon Meta它的規模它單一AI它就是它的AI單一就是數萬沒錯 沒錯 沒錯那他們正朝百萬GPU發展我們看到現在只有40報告中說要提到140那算力需要電力那所以我這邊就有提到我們電力目前是足夠的嗎 |
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沒有電力的話我們要怎麼發展AI 請部長和國科會說因為我們現在就是透過那個韓式的方式讓那個保險業的資金可以投入然後另外也那個透過韓式的方式跟那個財政部讓那個算力中心的建設列為重大那個基礎設施台灣在AI的定位是想要朝著什麼樣的方向前進我們是要做代工嗎 應該不只是代工吧 |
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因為台灣我們剛才稍早就有提到吧大家都在討論我們台灣是AI好所以現在那個鴻海已經遞建了他們要建那個算力中心規模是一萬片的CPU我們現在算力不夠嘛對 一萬片就是民間他會那個現在鴻海單單一個案子那什麼時候可以達成這個要問那個鴻海我們希望說因為民間的速度會比政府快很多也有跟企業在討論嘛是是是那總是會有一個期程吧 |
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對 那當然是說企業這個期程我們政府不能夠一定他一定是哪時候要蓋完但是他現在已經遞件了那我們現在就是希望他們盡快開工然後幫他解決所有土地電力等等的問題讓他們趕快開工 那我們這邊不是 沒關係 也是因為時間的關係那我們現在的競爭力應該只是陪跑的程度吧 |
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一萬片GPU 一萬顆那個GPU也不算小了一萬顆GPU是我們的目標 我們現在才40對 因為我們的預算都被砍掉了我們本來去年我們要 國科會在進行討論提供本行AI算力基礎建設 尤其是能源韌性的評估報告 兩週內OK 好 謝謝那請委員多支持我們的預算那40片是前年的 去年我們要買100片那個預算被刪掉了 所以我們去年一片都沒有增加 |
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謝謝因為我們現在才實施我剛才提到了現在很多企業他們都已經達到萬萬顆以上了嘛那我們希望我們這方面可以提升那本席也會支持感謝 感謝委員的支持能源的韌性報告好 謝謝好 非常感謝鳩羅委員 |