| IVOD_ID |
167594 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167594 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T10:45:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T10:56:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad6053a695944ccfdbd59c52e56fd78df8e650854b2f19bd25f7008a3d5adc657703f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:54 - 10:56:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆率所屬機關首長暨中央存款保險股份有限公司、監管相關機構有關之財團法人、臺灣證券交易所股份有限公司、臺灣期貨交易所股份有限公司、臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司等董事長、總經理列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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剛剛前面有幾個委員提到說市場上所有的教育者都希望能夠公平的原則 |
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那其實最釜底抽薪的辦法就是不要以千股為交易單位啊像以西方尤其美國的市場他是以美股為交易單位那就不會有零股的問題那無論是怎麼樣交易都是就自然都進到公平的交易的領域裡面來這件事情其實也都有人提過不知道商會的看法怎麼樣 |
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我們上次也有回答過這個問題像這種都是我們要邁入國際資本市場上一個非常重要各國的制度我們都要去研議然後讓我們是不是怎麼樣能夠促進我們整個跟國際化對標我想我們請教一所好 委員好那基本上我們從關於領股跟個股之間事實上我們也一直在縮短 |
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他的差距那現在包括縮短的時間也現在變成五秒所以某種程度來講我們也希望慢慢的往委員講的國際的慣例裡面個股的這樣子的方式來去做思考 |
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如果你贊成的話需要準備或是更動什麼樣的東西大概要多久的時間你能基本上來講的話因為要跟證券商他的系統也要改變相關的華麗要求對所以這個系統的改變的部分容我們我現在沒有現場的資料大概有多少的時間那這個部分來講最主要是系統的改變會佔比較大的原因請董事長同意嗎 贊不贊成 |
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向委員報告一下其實我們國內的教育制度呢是從千股這個我們已經運行很久那我們當時去討論說要不要去增加零股的時候當然 |
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因為有一些高價股或者是股力配股的領股在交易所以我們希望說能夠讓領股方便一點但是其實委員你注意到現在我們的交易依然是以千股作為它的本我的意思是說如果取消以千股為單位就是 |
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跟美國接軌一樣是以各股為交易就沒有這個什麼零股跟整張的交易之間的所謂剛剛前面幾個委員提到的那些時間點融資什麼各方面的問題如果這樣子的改變你認為贊不贊成 |
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其實委員你這樣子講把它變成一套這個是我是贊成但是其實我們有考慮到一個問題就是說我們其實我們台灣的這個股價的這個單價有的並不是那麼高那把它切成零股以後單位會變成很碎那另外一個就是在交易的實務上面如果你都是用成零股我們 |
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之前還有很多是用電話還有一些大單有專人在處理的那個用鄰股去接的話他的工作量還有整個的處理的process會變得很繁瑣那所以我們鄰股一開始推出來的時候是完全用電子交易就是說你如果是在電子上面Key那交易 |
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那這個部分我覺得系統就很快就可以去調整也可以調整成一致但是在這個轉換的過程當中我覺得實務上還是要去考慮怎麼去把它轉化讓這個整個的外界都能夠不管是那一種用電話的啦用電腦的或用手機的他們都可以一併來試用 |
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剛剛林董事長鄭教授林董事長他是說他原則上是贊成但是這個系統的這個轉變的過程中要有很多的準備階段那現在是問這個前提啦彭主委我剛剛這樣講的你聽得懂我的意思嗎我當然理解往這個方向走你們贊不贊成其實 |
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我剛才講這個方向這樣子我剛才其實兩位董事長提到一個很現實的問題我覺得方向是對的但就是說我們過去長期以來的交易習慣牽涉到非常多的投資人我想系統更改不是困難但是更改以後所產生的影響那怎麼樣避免這些的結果會不會產生一些後遺症剛才兩位董事長就說了這整個交易習慣這麼久以後很多人都以千股為單位突然改變以後比如剛剛講用電話下單網路下單他以為輸一個數字大概是代表什麼含義 |
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比較一段的時間去做一個調整他們要去做一個推演我想這部分就是過去是長遠的交易習慣所累積出來以後要做這個調整需要有點比較仔細的評估所以你們連評估都還沒有評估他們現在在評估那你方向上你贊不贊成我跟你講對標國際的做法一定是未來的方向 |
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好 那如果這樣的話你們可不可以讓我們了解說你們準備這些東西你們認為時程大概要多久啊好 那我我會請我們政經局跟兩個交易所仔細討論把比較確切的時程再跟委員報告對 因為如果改成 |
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就是以股為單位那只是單位的改變就好像我舉個例子以前是一次算一噸的那我現在改成公斤計價一噸計價跟公斤計價也是千分之一嘛那你以前是一張因為以前就是交易習慣就是 |
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一千股一張那個以前是這樣子的交易習慣那現在改成一股的交易以一股的交易的單位那個衡量的單位改變了其實我覺得那個很快應該就可以適應了 |
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如果從那個技術上是但是我覺得整個社會習慣盤根錯節這部分這個就是我們要好好仔細因為系統一更改如果產生一些問題是不可回復的那這個問題是比較小心所以我想這部分我們會充分的尊重專業跟業界整個調適上的問題那這我們會跟他們仔細研究把未來比如說我們的研究的時程大家會怎麼研究再跟委員做詳細的說請兩位董事長先回座 |
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要請教你最近日本的國會議員在討論日本被中國的支付寶入侵很嚴重所以日本又有很多的商家 |
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當然不是全部 但是有很多商家只接受電子支付有一部分的商家不接受現金交易所以這個問題在日本比我們更嚴重但是既然看到日本開始討論這個問題我們台灣也得優於待之 |
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你現在用支付寶台灣有在用啊但是你沒有讓他合法落地結果他在用那些的金額的跑都是在中國的金融機構裡面我們完全管制不到欸 |
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然後他那個聯絡都要再加上微信等於是拖江野馬我現在聽說洋網軍啊搞一些什麼灰色交易啊都是用這樣的方式在搞這個 彭主委你覺得該如何處理呢我想這個如果我們去了解一下他背後的一些的內容我想其實我們對於這些支付的部分我會請銀行局去把那個詳細整個的 |
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現在是不是先談支中國的這個所謂的支付寶目前台灣是不台灣沒有合法嘛沒有認可吧但是他確實就是在用啦跟委員報告那運用的場景是在跨境支付也就是說今天的會使用到支付寶就是入客來台沒有喔現在台灣的人也在用喔對就是台灣的人如果到大陸去他會被沒有台灣的人在台灣的夜市買東西他有時候也用這個啊 |
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你有沒有瞭解 它是一個網站支付只是說這個東西因為沒有透過台灣的金融體系它是透過中國的銀行體系 |
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目前我們就是一般路邊攤這種情況等於是類似特電的一個運用那這種情況都還是使用我們國內的電資 |
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那問題是支付寶在台灣又沒有合法我想委員的意思是說假設我們國人在大陸他有支付寶的帳戶他在台灣也一樣可以像陸客一樣在支付嘛利用網路啊 說我偷過微信啊你這些東西你如果不去注意它它非法的部分它的比例不是那麼大跟日本比起來差很多 但是 |
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你這個東西有在用的話就是有一個洞在那邊阿你要抓洗錢房子喔他這個根本就是你根本問不到他阿他就在中國的這個金融體系裡面然後他的通訊也是用中國的網路那你怎麼稽查你有沒有辦法 |
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我想跟我們報告可不可以容許我們時間我們先了解一下日本他們在做的關切的內容我們再來比對我們台灣的狀況類似的情況我們來看看怎麼樣來先了解我覺得台灣有一樣東西我以前諮詢過我是很贊同的就是無論你怎麼樣接受電子支付商家不可以拒絕現金 |
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這個日本因為有一些商家拒絕現金交易所以這個變成他們的支付就很多必須要依靠電子支付那電子支付是好是壞這有爭論 |
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我是跟你在這邊再次的強調我的主張就算電子支付很同情的地方也不可以拒絕現金的支付這樣子才能確保我們新台幣的體系是可以穩健繼續強大下去啦好 謝謝你謝謝 謝謝委員 |