| IVOD_ID |
16756 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16756 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-16T08:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-16T10:08:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:38:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbe4d03726cc18a5b06425655b8120616f8b19dddded0b194f1d444f336fa08a7a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查：
（一）行政院函請審議「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）本院委員王美惠等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四）本院委員李坤城等16人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五）本院委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
（六）本院委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「個人資料保護法第十二條、第二十七條及第四十八條條文修正草案」案。
（七）本院委員蔡易餘等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、審查本院委員黃捷等16人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:00 - 10:08:00 |
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明镜与点点栏目 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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好 我們現在開會 請組密報告出席人數報告全體會 出席委員5人 已足法定人數現在進行報告事項 請宣讀上次會議意思錄 |
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立法院第11屆第三會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議事錄時間114年5月18日星期三9時至12時41分地點黃樓101會議室主席委員邱盈盈等14人列席委員郭國文等11人列席人員農業部部長陳俊濟等主席謝昭吉委員依奉報告事項 宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定討論事項審查1本院委員謝依奉等16人理據農民退休儲金條例第7條條文修正草案 |
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討論事項合併詢答 委員協議一份說明提案要旨農業部部長陳俊濟報告後 委員協議員等16人提出質詢經由農業部部長陳俊濟暨相關人員及其答覆登基發言委員除不在場者外 區域經營發言完畢 詢答結束為及答覆部分 請相關單位一周內以書面答覆並複製本會本院委員顧國文等17人擬拒農民退休儲金條例第七條條例修正查案 |
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決議 審討完畢 審討結束令定期繼續審查 散會 宣布完畢好 我們議事錄待會再確定我們現在繼續進行討論事項 請宣讀討論事項 一 繼續審查 |
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1.行政院判刑審議,個人資料保護法部分條件修正查案2. |
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本院委員王美惠等18人擬拒,個人資料保護法部分條件修正查案3. |
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本院委員羅丁維等17人擬拒,個人資料保護法部分條件修正查案4. |
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1911.966 |
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本院委員李坤臣等16人擬拒,個人資料保護法部分條件修正查案5. |
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1911.966 |
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1913.287 |
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本院委員郭益錦等19人擬拒 |
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1932.677 |
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個人資料保護法部分條件修正查案6.本院委員陳亭飛等16人理據個人資料保護法第12條第27條及第48條條件修正查案7.本院委員蔡依儀等18人理據個人資料保護法部分條件修正查案2.審查本院委員黃婕等16人理據個人資料保護法部分條件修正查案宣導完畢 |
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1935.754 |
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1964.564 |
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司法院書面報告列入公報記錄那本日議程討論事項所列議案經濟委員會分別在5月8號及第12次會議及5月22號第14次會議詢答及宣讀條完畢之後院會又交付黃婕委員提案版本我們今日一起併案審查那請先宣讀黃婕委員提案宣讀完畢後我們再進行協商 |
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1965.698 |
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1973.324 |
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第一章之一张明同行政院提案第一节杰明同行政院提案 |
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1991.553 |
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1996.58 |
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第21條之一同行政院提案第21條之二同行政院提案 |
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1997.116 |
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2019.801 |
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第21条之三同行政院提案第21条之四同行政院提案第21条之五同行政院提案第二节 结明同行政院提案第22条同行政院提案第23条同行政院提案第24条同行政院提案第25条同行政院提案第26条同行政院提案第27条删除 |
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2045.706 |
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第41條同行政院提案第47條同行政院提案第48條同行政院提案第49條同行政院提案第51條之一同行政院提案第52條同行政院提案第53條同行政院提案第53條之一同行政院提案第55條同行政院提案宣讀完畢 |
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好 那因為這個與會的委員現在要陸續進來我們是不是先等一下 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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好 謝謝我們鄭天才委員跟邱志偉委員大力相挺那我們先確定議事錄來 請問各位委員剛剛宣讀的上一次會議議事錄有錯誤或異論沒有好 議事錄確定那我們現在來進行條文的協商那我們現在先大家來看這個已經整理好的 |
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來我們先進行個人資料保護法第一條第一條之一的條文那第一條之一的條文除了行政院外有1234567總共有八個版本除了行政院外還有七位委員的版本那每一個版本都跟行政院的版本相同那請問各位委員第一條之一有什麼意見嗎 |
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2725.249 |
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來 請邱委員謝謝 謝謝昭偉這個在忙碌的這個週末行程之後這個星期一排這個個人資料保護法的主要審查我覺得這個彌足珍貴所以在這邊忙啊一定要這個到台北來參加這個 |
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法條審議也謝謝召委重視個人經濟保護法立法通過的實效性跟必要性八個委員會只有經濟委員會有開 |
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2742.698 |
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2770.787 |
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還有司法還有司法兩個所以代表說經理委員會一向都非常認真重要的法案我們這個不管再怎麼辛苦一定要趕快讓優先通過個人對第一條之一沒有意見因為所有委員的提案版本都跟前面版本一樣那我希望說待會我們在另外往下走的時候是不是這個如果委員提案都跟 |
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2800.389 |
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行政院提案條文都一樣的話是不是建議就按照行政院條文通過了這樣子可能效率會比較快一點好 謝謝好 謝謝邱志威委員那我們等一下處理條文就如果來尊重邱委員的意見的話那想要問一下我們鄭委員有什麼看法嗎非常謝謝昭緯安排這個非常重要的個人資料保護法的修正條文 |
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2801.836 |
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2826.786 |
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這個第一條之一現行這個行政院版的提案條文這個本法之主管機關為個人資料保護委員會這個在上一次修正的時候已經這樣子寫了那現在這次的修正只是把這個第二項把掉這個部分這個第一個就是說 |
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2828.968 |
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2845.968 |
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上次在司法法治委員會審查個人資料保護委員會的組織法這個部分因為還有一些條文需要協商所以還要另外朝野協商 |
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2847.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2862.742 |
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那所以這個部分這個經濟委員會在處理這個今天的案子的時候要去跟那邊同步必須那邊要先通過我們這邊通過才有好不然的話這個第二項拿掉就 |
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2885.075 |
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這個我們這個先通過,這個第二項沒有,這個各自委會還沒成立的話這個就是會稀有相關,這是第一個部分第二個部分,這個是不是請這個我們李主任說明一下 |
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這個因為我們等一下會涉及到第一條之二的立法目的第一條之二有提到立法目的那我們現在今天的這個立法目的的條文並沒有修並沒有修嘛那這個個人制要保護 |
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2912.048 |
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2936.815 |
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委員會的成立主要的目的當然除了憲法判決之外那我們現在國內的現況要解決的問題到底是什麼可以說明一下好 那是不是有請我們主任來就政委員的推詢來做個答覆 |
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2944.844 |
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2966.728 |
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委員長那剛剛委員問的這個問題本質上我們目前現在成立這個個人資料保護委員會來做這個法的主管機關除了說剛剛說在組織法裡面另外還要再去寫上之外本身對於這個組織法而言就是要去處理以往 |
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2967.468 |
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2995.098 |
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因為是分別管理的情況之下公務機關自行變成說自己去管自己有關於各自法的法尊問題那非公務機關的部分以前都是包含到現在在沒有修法之前的話都是由各個目的世界來監管這種分散式的監管在除了說我們用一個獨立監督機制在面對說是屬於這個法的主管機關之外 |
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2996.518 |
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3022.013 |
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那最主要的一個我們要處理的一個重要的一個功能是要去強化我們現有個人資料保護的這些制度的一個落實那這個我覺得可能是在以後委員會成立一個蠻重要的一個主軸工作就是要把我們現有剛剛委員有去鄭委員有去提到我們一條之二一條之二它有實質的意義 |
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他不是只有一個立法目的他有一個重要的功能就是要去要求我們所有的 |
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3053.657 |
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公務機關的上級機關 那非公務機關的目的世界主管機關要一樣也有這樣的一個共同的責務協同我們個人資料保護委員區共同建構條文所說的安全可信賴的個人資料保護環境所以這是一個蠻強烈的一個義務性的一個規定 以上來 主席 |
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3060.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
3071.848 |
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那個個人資料保護法從民國84年制定然後後來也有多次的幾次的修正那因為這幾年這幾年這個詐騙 |
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3105.111 |
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詐騙非常非常的嚴重在台灣然後相關這個警政署或是相關機關的相關的網站各方面的先導都是提到個人資料個人資料所造成個人資料的外洩所造成所以這個如果我們看現在的 |
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3106.397 |
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3121.452 |
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個人資料保護法的第一條的立法目的就只有談到人格遣保護人格遣現在已經不符合以現況現況台灣的詐騙的嚴重被詐騙的人民因為個資外洩而造成的損害 |
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3130.51 |
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3155.022 |
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已經不是人格遣的問題是涉及到很嚴重的財產遣的問題所以你們當初在提這個行政院版的時候怎麼會沒有想到把這個第一條也一併把它修正早期確實是只有人格遣現在已經不是了這個很嚴重的都是因為個人資料的外洩 |
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3175.949 |
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才會造成這些這些詐騙然後造成財產錢的侵害所以這個部分是不是要配合修正編證員報告就是本身我們在雖然第一條這是我們沒有再去修正但是條文 |
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就是條文我們目前現有第一條的那個立法目的他本身所講的那個為了避免人客圈受到侵害人客圈本身也會產生兩個情況也就是非產業上的損害跟產業上的損害那個都會包含進來一旦他被侵害的情況之下所以這部分我們是認為說應該是包含在裡面是不用再去列一個說財產權好 |
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3235.525 |
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主席我會建議就是說因為第一條一條之一的部分其實行政版跟各委員版本其實都是一樣的我是建議是不是就照這個通過這兩位委員的也許在後面看有沒有可以再需要補強的再來做一些補強第一條的部分看起來大家意見上是一致的好不好來鄭委員我對第一條之一沒有意見剛才我也建議了這個要配合這個組織法 |
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3257.356 |
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然後我們這邊產能革也送到院會來去處理這個是給經濟委員會的同仁來去了解的部分那至於第一條的立法目的你們回去一定要修正這個人格錢跟菜市場錢不是完全一樣的以上 |
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3286.5 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝鄭委員就是跟鄭委員溝通一下就我了解組織法的部分他們也是都出委員會然後協商所以我們這案也一樣如果我們有出委員會我們一樣會協商那到時候可能在協商的過程中組織法跟這個作用法就可以一併的被討論我想這樣的話對於我們接下來因為還有很多條文可能會比較一個方向好不好 |
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3310.797 |
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好 謝謝因為我們在宣傳的時候都有討論過所以這個先討論結論到最後這個案出委員會一定會再在協商蔡委員會再召集協商所以沒有爭議的部分我們有共識的部分我們就是不是先讓他通過那如果還需要有一些再討論的話我們留待這個會後就是蔡委協商的時候我們再做進一步的討論 |
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3330.35 |
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好 這個我也提一下我也贊成這樣的處理方法因為這個其實很多條文是大家都有共識這個法要進出送出去大家也有共識那是不是就沒有爭議的部分我們就盡快來通過那有爭議的部分如果真的有爭議那就是保留下來到朝野協商一起來處理這樣會在整個會議上會更有效率一點好不好 好 謝謝 |
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3356.97 |
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好那如果各位委員大概有一個等下條文的處理方向我們就按照這樣的默契來做條文的處理那我們現在還是一樣先就這個條文的第一之一的部分那因為八個版本都相同都跟行政院的版本相同那我們是不是按照行政院的版本來通過好沒意見的話第一條之一按行政院版本通過那來處理第一條之二 |
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3357.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3374.944 |
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那第一條之二一樣是八個委員 八個版本都相同那如果各位委員沒有其他意見的話我們按照行政院的版本通過好沒意見的話第一之二條那就按行政院版本通過那接下來請各位委員看第十二條 |
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3399.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那第12條的條文呢其中有王美惠委員的版本跟郭益勤委員的版本跟行政院版本是不一樣的那其他的5個版本跟行政院版本通過那各位委員針對這條文有什麼意見呢這個可以請主任先說明一下好不好好來請主任說明這條文的差異跟其他兩個差異 對 |
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3418.103 |
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謝謝樂園那目前現在在我們12條不一樣的地方在第一項這是針對於通知當事人義務我們目前在行政院版本的條文我們是未來會在 |
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3441.801 |
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我們的第四項 我們有一個授權規定裡面 針對於相關的這些通知通報的內容方式實現通報的實現 通報的範圍 我們會在訂系的授權執法至於原本我們行政院院版的規定是知悉就要去做通知 |
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| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3457.104 |
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那這裡面所謂的資期有外洩的情況去做同時容後也應該是要看實際的情況那強硬訂一個就是24小時之內一定要去完成通知現有我們各自違反安全 |
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| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3471.974 |
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這個樣態非常的這個多樣化所以我們是建議這方面能夠還是先用行政院版本知悉那先不要去訂一個很死的這樣的一個時間那至少我們現行已經有把 |
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| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3489.815 |
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目前限期法的規定說他經查明之後那以往一直都有一個爭議點查明要多久那我們現在是先認知只要他知道有這樣的一個情況之後原則上是就賦予一個通知當事人的義務那另外 |
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3517.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
郭委員的版本他的最後一項裡面提到說要編制事故通報的這個統計的一個報告那本質上我們這部分的話因為會按照統計法的相關規定會來制定相關有關於這些案件的事故統計報告所以不用這邊再去加這條規定實際上我們按照現行統計法的這個規範我們也是會來遵守進行 |
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所以我們原則上以這兩個方向先建議說委員支持先用行政院版本以上這個好來賴樂榮委員我是不是先請教主任那所以24小時內來通知在執行上面會遇到困難是不是 |
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覺得各種不同的樣態狀況下會有困難是嗎?是,就是譬如說當事人像很多,現在不是只有一個兩個譬如說一萬個那每一個這邊都說都要二十四小時的情況所以有可能是一萬個的時候你二十四小時你把一萬個要通知完畢會有執行上的困難沒錯,就是這個條本反而會把未來在執行上面所以將來你們在比較細項的部分你們會把這些原則處理定定清楚要儘速通知到當事人嗎?是,沒錯 |
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好好那這樣我支持行政院的版本謝謝這個我也問一下這個主任你們這樣的話如果有代表竊取篡改那因為畢竟竊取跟篡改這個比較涉及到刑事責任所以你們這個會不會拖到了要判決確定就是這一個刑事判決確定後才要通知當事人還是起訴後就要通知還是調查有刑事調查後就要通知編造委報告 |
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這個未來的執行是不會去等到他最後的法律責任的確定那或者說還需要另外一個司法審判機關去確定有無情事那本質上這個通知當事人如果我們也參考歐盟GDPR的一個規定歐盟GDPR也沒有規定說這個要有一個實現 |
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原則上的話就是去及時的通知當事人那邊也原則上是不會再去等待責任的確定即使在GDP所以我們未來在這邊所進行的一個通知是無庸等到最後毀損或是蔑視的相關不管是刑事責任有無的這個確定原則上就是它的功能其實是要讓當事人先知道說它有一個風險存在讓當事人去做一個提防這樣子就夠了 以上 |
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好那各位還有其他意見嗎那沒有的話我們是不是第12條也是按行政院的版本來通過好那就按行政院版本通過那接下來處理第18條那第18條一樣所有版本都相同那我們依照處理原則依行政院版本通過有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見的話我們一樣是按行政院版本通過那處理二十條之一那二十條之一所有版本相同我們也按行政院版本通過有沒有意見沒有意見按行政院版本通過處理二十一條那二十一條所有版本相同我們是不是也按行政院版本通過好按行政院版本通過那接下來是新增的有新增第三張 |
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第三章之一那這個是章名的部分我們是不是也一行政院版本新增通過好那來處理第一節第一節的條文所有的版本也一樣那是不是也按行政院版本的文字通過好那就按 |
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這個行政院版本通過那新增的第21-1條那所有版本都一樣是不是也按行政院版本通過好那就按行政院版本通過那接下來處理新增的21-221-2有李坤城版本的文字跟行政院版本不一樣那這部分是不是請行政院說明21-2 |
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謝謝 稍微那李委員目前現在在他的第一項說要訂兩年要去做集合那橫豬現在我們上次有跟大院報告我們目前統計數據知道中央跟地方的公務機關加起來已經將近9000個所以每兩年就要去做一個定期集合若是所有的機關都要每兩年 |
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我們會覺得這部分對於主管機關的那個壓力是真的很大那這邊所謂的得定原本行政院版本得定期或不定期集合的這樣一個規定本質上一來我們也是去從現有資安法的修正草案那其實他們現行法也是已經資安法有這個規定 |
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我們去參照過來的所以治安法目前現階段在修正草案的第八條也是維持的得定期或不定期集合那我們建議能夠就是也按照這樣的一個目前現有的立法體力也比較相近的情況之下維持這個規定 |
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另外李委員在第四項有提到說 集合是結果應每年定期主動公開這部分因為我們目前的這些集合案件的這個有個案目前行政院版本的規劃並他不會出現說要把所有內容去進行主動公開那這邊我們可能另外再做一個備註的說明說若是一樣跟剛剛前面的統計數據 |
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未來個人資料版本會依照統計法去做一個就是大的這樣的一個統計數據的資料的一個釋出但是個案的一個集合結果要去釋出我們是覺得這部分若也仿照資安法目前現在的規定並沒有說集合的這個每個結果都要做主動公開所以這兩點我們建議說還是依行政院版本來通過 謝謝 |
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賴樂榮委員完 邱志威委員好 那個兩年的期限我倒覺得就確實可以有一些彈性但是我倒覺得是主管機關現在是用德 你們的行政版是用德定期或不定期事實上我覺得如果主管機關用因的話因為定期不定期其實也給予你們有彈性 |
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定期不定期都可以但是當這樣的時候其實賦予主管機關有一定的責任要去集合公務機關的個人資料當你需要做的時候就應該要去做那我會建議其實把這個的改為因其實應該是更好的一個修法來邱志偉 |
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剛剛主任您是說這個立法律師從哪一個機關去援引過來好 我們參照資安法它現行的修正草案也在大院審議雖然這個業務性質很類似但不見得是完全相同是所以主管機關不同它的業務的內容也不盡相同所以你這邊兩個途徑一個是定期不定期那這個 |
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定期或不定期都是可以採取那你所謂定期基本上你要有一個比較籠統的範圍定期的話大概是多久你們期限你不能說定期我定10年一起5年一起2年一起1年一起 |
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那不定期 你說一年大概有可能會幾次 為原則 都有一個原則性所以定期大概是原則上大概三年要一次 或者兩年要一次那這個不定期就是說 我一年可能要有兩次 可能要一次是不是可以大概把這個範圍 原則的範圍大概說明一下 |
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主任說明一下跟委員報告一下當然有關於頻率本來我們在行政院院版的第四項已經有提到說這在未來的授權執法裡面會去違反以機關的大小而且還有中央跟地方各級機關的那個規模會再去定一個他合理的一個頻率所以我們想說這邊先不要先在訪聊定時 |
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原則上母法不用定時有一個原則性就好 有一個框架就好這母法 執法一定要定就是說我說的頻率或者次數這執法裡面可能要寫得更清楚一點沒有錯 執法一定會把它定出來主任剛剛賴委員有建議說 |
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這個文字的部分吼第一款主管機關得改成應這個這樣的話你們是否同意OK可以這部分可以嗎好好那還有其他問題有意見沒有的話那我們第21條之2的條文我們是不是就按照行政院版本然後剛剛賴委員建議來修正通過 |
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好那就按行政院版本修正通過來我們現在處理第21條之3的條文那所有的委員的版本跟行政院版本都相同那這部分我們是不是也按行政院版本通過 |
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好 沒有意見的話就按行政院版本通過接下來處理21條知事的條文那21條知事的條文有王美惠的版本跟行政院版本不一致其他的都跟行政院版本文字是一致的那是不是請我們李主任再說明一下 |
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好 謝謝趙偉 目前現在在王委員的版本第一條他是說 依現為適當之改正與處置 增加了與處置那 |
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本質上我們覺得因為改正的內容就會去要求他要做怎麼樣的一個措施所以在法制作業的話我們是建議就直接還是用改正就即可就是不用再加一個予以處置那王委員另外一個跟我們的差異版本在第二項主管機關應公佈其名稱與違法行為我們這邊是得那這邊我們要做一個說明 |
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第二項的這個規定本身是一個行政法上面的一個處分的一個手段那這個處分叫做妨礙名譽的處分那一般來講的話就是處分的手段的發動 |
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原則上就是給機關他基於他的目前在行使職權過程面有他本與權責去做決定那倒是沒有出現說要用一個很死的說覺得應一定要公佈因為他不是他不是屬於一個政府資訊公開的一個樣態他是一個處分他是可以去提起 |
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行政的一個救濟所以這個手段我們是建議還是維持行政院的版本是得公布其這個姓名與違法的這個情況那在目前我們在對照歐盟GDPR的一個規定他們58條這個第二項第一款裡面也是有這樣子一個類似他們叫做所以Rapid Mind的譴責處分 |
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那這部分也是由他們按照他的情況授權由獨立機關他們來行使不會出現說應一定要做這個行為所以以處分的一個手段我們是建議還是用我們行政院的這個版本的規定也比較符合現在行政處罰的相關的這個體例 以上好 說明得很清楚那各位版本有意見嗎沒有 |
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沒有的話那我也是建議我們就按照行政院版本通過好那21條之4就按行政院版本通過好那接下來處理21條之5的新增條文那這條文所有的版本都相同我們是不是也按行政院版本通過 |
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好那21條之5就按行政院版本新增通過那來處理第二節的文字那是不是也按照行政院的版本通過好那就按行政院版本新增通過那我們現在處理22條那所有的版本都跟行政院版本一致我們是不是按行政院的版本通過同意好 |
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那23條也完全一致是不是也按行政院版本通過好那24條所有版本都一致是不是也按行政院的版本通過支持好那依行政院版本通過那第25條所有版本一致是不是也按行政院版本通過好 |
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好 1行政院版本通過那接下來處理26條所有文字都一致是不是也按行政院版本通過好 1行政院版本通過來 接下來處理27條27條有陳廷輝委員的文字跟行政院是不一樣的那是不是也請我們李主任做簡單的說明 |
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因為我這個提案的部分是希望說能夠在整個資安的部分去防止個人資料被竊取所以應該要辦理一些安全維護的事項所以我這個部分有多了但是我覺得這個部分是加強性的應該可以照我的版本通過吧 |
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這個主任 |
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跟委員報告27條這個條文外觀看起來說是刪除 其實上它是整個挪移我們把它挪移到20條之一那剛剛在講到20條之一的這個規定應該跟委員版本是一致的所以剛剛因為21條之一那邊已經通過所以委員的版本的文字完全是在21條之一那邊出現好 謝謝 |
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好那如果陳秉培委員也沒有其他意見的話我們這一條是不是就按行政院的版本來文字通過好OK好那就依行政院版本通過那接下來處理第41條41條所有版本都跟行政院相同我們是不是依行政院版本通過 |
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好 依行政院版本通過47條 47條所有委員的版本都跟行政院相同是不是我們也依行政院版本來通過 |
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請問好沒問題的話依行政院版本通過依行政院版本通過好那接下來處理第48條48條有陳廷飛委員的版本有不一樣的文字那是不是讓陳委員說明一下還是讓主任先說明一下請主任說明好謝謝跟趙委員還有陳委員這邊說明其實現行我們 |
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我們48條的條文文字跟陳委員條文字應該本質上是應該一樣的只是我們48條在我們現有的第三項 |
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第三項我們還有規定到51條之一的違反51條之一 等一下我們後面會審查51條之一第三項還有51條之一的第四項相關的這個規定所以我們建議這方面的話行政院的院版還有包含到後面要處理的條文那是不是建議說就按照我們行政院院版的文字通過 |
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所以我們的部分都有包含到然後你們又有再增加在51條之一的一個罰環的部分是OK好謝謝委員好那如果其他委員沒有其他意見的話我們是不是也是依行政院版本來通過好依行政院版本通過那處理第49條所有委員的版本與行政院版本一致我們是不是依行政院版本通過好依行政院版本通過 |
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那處理第51之1新增的條文那有王美惠委員跟羅廷維委員的文字是不一樣的那是不是請行政院也是簡單說明一下好 謝謝昭偉 |
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王委員的第一項跟羅委員的第一項都是有針對我們現有6年的管轄過度回收的期限去做修正那我們建議當然還是支持行政院的版本理由如下因為我們之前在立法理由裡面已經有做說明我們也參考了 |
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國外的一個立法例像在日本他們在進行整個獨立機關建置要去把所有以往分別管理的這個機關跟公務機關在進行回收的時候他也是做了一個差異化的一個處理沒有一次把所有的機關都先回收那考量我們目前 |
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個人資料保護委員會一開始成立的時候是公務機關中央跟地方將近快9000個就已經是全面就要先納管的情況下非公務機關的部分我們是如同我們之前的安排 |
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沒有明確目的世界主管機關的話是直接由個人資料保安會先納管有明確目的世界主管機關的那因為他的這個回收的一個安排還需要我們個人資料保安會本身的人力的一個還有預算資源 |
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還去做一個時間的調整那其實鑑於目前現在非公務機關已經有明確的中央目的世界主管學院他們很多都已經有搬行個人資料檔案安全維護的辦法 |
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那比如說不管是經濟部還是經管會對於自己所管業者有按照這樣的一個個資法授權的規定也都有在做的情況下那我們覺得比較穩健的做法因為這是一個很大的一個能量的匯集 |
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我們建議還是先維持六年的這樣的一個機制來處理那比較妥當那另外一個是王委員在第二項有把我們說每兩年進行所謂的雙年期滾動檢討的這樣的一個機制縮成每一年那我們也請委員能夠支持因為個人資料保護會成立之後 |
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除了剛剛說直接納管全部的公務機關還有不明確的這個非公務機關那這部分如果每年讓他再立刻做一次會商跟調整是比較明顯會影響到他現有已經在納管的這些機關的監督的這樣一個能量所以我們建議先維持兩年的一個方式來做這樣的一個雙連體的滾動檢討機制 以上 |
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好 那個陳廷輝委員謝謝昭偉我想我尊重主任就是我們行政院的版本但是有一點我還是要提醒就是說其實從之前我們在質詢的時候一而再再而三就在討論就是說你的配套 |
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當然公務機關跟非公務機關這個部分它的一個不同那你現在說的如果有明定的明定由誰來做主導你們這個暫時沒有把它納進來那沒有的話你們會把它全部納進來那我覺得你要把它很清楚地寫 |
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然後把它正面表列到底哪些非公務機關在這短暫的時間要先納到你們的管制範圍哪些是沒有否則你這樣子非常含糊那你現在又是兩年調整一次又是檢討一次那變成說如果你在第一時間沒有講好現在資訊是非常恐怖這是個資個資只要你第一時間沒有處理好 |
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他不用等兩年他可能一個月兩個月你有法的規定他可能就有另外一個他可以去對應突破你這個個資保護的一個範圍所以我覺得這是非常恐怖所以為什麼我認為說兩年會不會太久了但我也尊重你們可是你這兩年當中你的配套還有你的正面表列 |
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哪些是拿到你們可以這個委員會要去控管的部分哪些暫時不用我覺得你要把它正面表列出來否則這太危險了這非常的恐怖啊好 謝謝那個謝一鋒委員 |
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這一條其實是在這一次修法裡面我覺得事關重要畢竟現在要全部納管在統一的中央的機構那到底我們就是說現在各部會有沒有相關的這樣子的資安的人才那從過去以來我們政府機關或者是部門都有各自被竊的這樣子的一個問題 |
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那今天我們特別修這樣子的法律其實是希望說未來這樣的現象在台灣不會發生以及我們怎麼樣子增強我們抵抗這樣子網路攻擊的能量 |
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我認為說當然就是六年大家可以支持說在這個調整的期間是六年但是我也認為應該要就是說定期每年兩年來跟立法院報告那 |
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我們不知道中間的進展如何其實你們每天都在整理每天都在統籌上列的這樣子相關的資料所以你們是不是應該每年來跟立法院報告你們的進度如何其實這是非常我認為沒有什麼疑慮的部分 |
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你們只是來跟立法院報告你們的進度嘛那你報告的程度就是這樣子把你們每年做的調整以及你們現在進行的程度是如何那讓國人都可以了解 |
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那我認為這是大家對於資訊充分的了解然後也能夠督促我們就是這樣子委員會成立以後你們的動能到底能不能夠增加這個動能那也讓所有立法院的同仁可以了解嗎我認為其實 |
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也希望說各位我們應該要堅持就是說每年應該要來跟立法院就是讓我們可以了解對不對我們應該要每年可以因為他說兩年才來一次嘛那因為這個過程不是嗎你說你說我跟市委 等一下我也再回應一下那個 |
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另外剛剛在討論一併回應一併回應好好好OK就是剛才前面我們在提到我們一條之二本身就已經有一個很重要的功能就是未來個人資料保護委員會必須要去成立一個一個跨我們跨機關的一個這樣的一個協調平台那我們這個協調平台我們 |
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很重要的一個功能就是要去發揮我們剛剛所說的包含51條之一在這個過渡期間我們權限回收的這樣的一個過程裡面我們當然還是要去關注而不是說還沒有回收之前你們自己去管我們不處理所以在一之二那邊會有這樣的一個功能會把它拉進來那另外就是 |
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確定會有一個公告剛剛陳委員已經提到說應該有一個明確的你到底今天哪些東西是還不歸你所管的那個姓有說由中央目的時間或是地方政府先去管的我們在51條之一的第一項已經有提到說要去做一個公告那公告這是一個法規命令所以這個公告的內容裡面就會去提到說哪些東西 |
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應該說哪些行業目前現在是對應到是由哪個目的世界主管去做主管的這邊在這個公告裡面會去把它呈現出來那剛剛另外所以這裡就是正面表列正面表列沒錯沒錯很重要因為我們一定要正面表列是沒錯一定要正面表列民眾才會很清楚知道說到底哪些是歸於誰管這很重要是對 三位委員謝謝指教 |
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那因為沒有正面表列的話也沒有辦法去確認說是誰這個時候是他管的所以這個部分的話因為修正條文的處理的方式會按照這個方式來進行那剛剛謝委員所提到說我們目前 |
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在進行整個一個規管過程裡面要不要來跟立法院報告目前現在這邊所謂的兩年是回收的一個檢討的機制那未來個人資料保安會成立之後它也是一個常設的機關它本來就要到立法院每年都要做業務報告所以在進行做業務報告的時候一定會處理到剛剛所說的這樣的一個內容以上 謝謝 |
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陳婉嫻委員我想就剛剛主任所講的就是說離兩年滾動是檢討的部分時間會不會太長這是我們所擔憂的所以才會有委員去提案說一年 |
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那這兩年當中所以謝委員才會說那應該是要每年來報告那其實我們可以用我們立法院經濟委員會的機制然後再拜託召委再去每年去排這樣的一個報告這是沒有問題因為可能我們都有會期隨時都可以要求我們的這個委員會來做報告可是 |
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還是要拜託主任其實我們的執法配套我們現在過了之後執法配套才是最重要的包括我們剛剛所講的每一樣都是必須在執法配套當中定定的非常清楚因為你講的都是你在解釋對不對在我們的法的部分其實看不到那麼詳細 |
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所以在你解釋的部分都是你執法裡面應該要很詳盡把它表列出來這才是重要否則沒有依據就像我講的今天我們審的這個是個資 |
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各自資訊千變萬化今天他要用什麼辦法去突破你沒有辦法去控管那唯有我們在執法定得更清楚定得更明確所以今天過了之後重點在執法所以主任拜託這個執法希望說不要讓大家失望這個部分再麻煩 |
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好謝謝委員不過我也再補充一下就是目前我們 |
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內部大概也有先大概做一些討論這個兩年之內要做的事情很多我們大概如列幾點也跟委員先大概溝通說明第一個就是我們要先把整個檢列跟回收的一些操作程序我們當然要先把它列出來哪些東西要優先先每兩年大概要先回收然後接下來就跟各部會還有利害關係人去做意見的徵詢最主要是行業 |
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這些行業兩年後我準備要把你回收回來,大家先討論一下在目前最重要當討論完跟跨部會討論之後確定說這個在兩年之後大概可能要進行這個行業準備回收所以在下半年的時候就要開始處理一個很重要的就是怎麼樣去進行這個事權的交接、移轉 |
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這是一個龐大的法制作業啦所以這個內容不會說等到那個兩年的最後一天然後才開始提出來的時候我要回收了然後最重要其實很多行業它要面臨這樣的一個變動它要漸進性的以前它已經很習慣是經濟部、數位部它在做這個規管那我們在進行規管的一個模式哪些群建師會回來我們這邊來做處理的時候 |
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我覺得在這兩年也是很重要,還要跟各個行業去做一個溝通以上這一條條文大家都討論,大家都很有非常好的意見 |
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這個因為有第一項的話以主管機關成立之日起六年內那我們有委員的版本是四年內無非就是希望很快因為如果我們從憲法法庭111年 |
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到現在就很多年了我們已經很慢了我剛剛已經講過個人資料的保護現在已經嚴重就最嚴重還是被弄來被詐騙了所以這個我們已經是一個非常嚴重的詐騙的一個被詐騙的一個人民所以這個第一項 |
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的六年是不是要改為四年這個第二項兩年是不是改為一年大家有不同的意見所以這個部分第一個我是希望這個我們儲備會因為你們也成立多久了 |
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好也成立到時間了嘛對不對所以這個部分現在就可以開始做所以這個部分所以我們就先保留這個條文到院協商好好來陳慶飛委員完謝一鳳委員謝謝 |
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那個我要拜託主任就是說因為非公務機關我們這個強調是非公務機關非公務機關因為他沒有所謂的一個壓力跟權限不像我們公務機關大家有壓力如果公務人員洩漏個資這個壓力非常極大而且我們有控管就是說我們現在都會有所謂的電腦條碼等等或密碼很清楚可是非公務機關是沒有的 |
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所以我覺得說你說在這兩年當中讓你們有時間你們要把這樣的一個所謂時程剛剛主任講的我非常認同就是說不是兩年後再說是一直在做一直在做然後你要把時程拉出來那當然有委員說你兩年之後是不是有可能每年因為你兩年已經制定好了嘛 |
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那每年要去檢討一次 我覺得這是可以考量的就是兩年 因為你必須要有時間兩年完了之後 在非公務機關在第一時間把它整個要納進來 確實要有時間但是我們正面表列之後 把時程訂出來但是到了兩年我們已經公佈完之後是不是應該要每年再做檢討 |
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我覺得這個是要去檢討的部分我也認為說應該在未來在整個資訊變化那麼大應該是要時間上要縮短一點 謝謝來 謝一芳委員 |
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我也赞同就是陈廷飞委员的意见就是说我们把他纳管到中央的时候我们一开始当然有这样子一个就是需要长时间规划以及整理的时期那用两年来讲就是说第一期两年来讲我认为合理但是两年之后其实就已经有一个初步的模型以及就是说未来的方向 |
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如何了所以是不是第一期兩年之後是不是應該每年都來就是說來做這樣子的檢討報告那我覺得這樣子對於所有的不管是公部門、私部門來說都是一個比較合理的讓他們了解目前進展的進度以及未來進行的方向我覺得這樣是一個比較合理的規劃 |
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5496.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5524.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
好 主席好謝謝 謝委員主任有要再補充嗎不然我來先來做我來處理看看我想這個條文事實上各位委員的發言都是期待因為現在我們是希望整個各自的保護涉及到非公務機關的部分速度還是要加快如果照現在行政院版本不管是寫6年或者是2年的檢討我大家都會覺得有點慢 |
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5526.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5547.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
那所以我們這個條文我建議啦不然我們就保留好不好這一條我們就保留在協商的時候處理好不好好那第51條之一我們就保留那來我們接下來處理第52條52條每個委員的版本都跟行政院一致我們是按行政院文字來通過好同意好那就依行政院版本通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5548.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5574.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
53條一樣所有委員版本跟行政院一致那我們是不是依行政院版本通過好依行政院版本通過那我們現在處理53-1新增的條文那所有委員也是跟行政院版本文字一致我們是不是也依行政院版本通過好那來現在53-2這個是郭育琴委員所提出的文字那這是不是也請行政院說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
5580.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5586.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
這個行政院沒有 沒有這樣的文只是郭委員自己的條文OK 沒關係 可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
5588.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5610.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
稍微跟各位委員報告,會員委員這個條文第一項最主要還是利潤在於說未來相關的這些協助或是教育宣導的培訓課程要去辦理那個人自家保護本會成立目前現有的功能我們也會去,本來就有預設這個本來就要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
5611.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5622.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那在第二項各級政府要配合去推廣所謂的素養教育將個人資料保護納入公民課程的這個規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
5623.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5648.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
因為這部分是要科與各級政府但是公民教育課程規劃這是教育部的這個執掌還是說我們這個請教育部可以再做一點說明那假如說在第一項的範圍我們是建議就這部分的話我們現有的各自法的功能就是要去處理這些教育跟培訓的這個相關的功能所以主委你的意思是說我們現有的條文已經有他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
5649.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5675.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
郭議員版本的文字的就是一之二一之二就已經涵蓋在內了一之二的第二項就是要處理好那我直接處理如果這條我們既然已經都涵蓋在內我們就不予處理不予增訂這樣不予增訂好可以嗎好那五十三之二就郭育群委員版本我們不予增訂來我們接下來處理第五十五條那所有版本都跟行政院版本文字一致我們是不是按行政院版本通過好 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5678.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5694.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
那我們第55條也是以行政院的版本通過那我們現在所有的條文都已處理完畢我們請宣讀協商結論來請宣讀 宣讀協商結論第一條之一 照行政院提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
5695.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5716.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
增訂第一條之二造型證提案通過第十二條造型證提案通過第十八條造型證提案通過第二十條之一造型證提案通過第二十一條造型證提案通過增訂第三條之一張名造型證提案通過增訂第一節結名造型證提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
5718.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5728.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
增訂第21條之一 照行政提案通過增訂第21條之二 除第1項第5字 得修正為因外 區域均照行政提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
5730.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5752.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
增訂第21條之3造型證人提案通過增訂第21條之4造型證人提案通過增訂第21條之5造型證人提案通過增訂第2節結名造型證人提案通過第22條造型證人提案通過第23條造型證人提案通過第14條造型證人提案通過第25條造型證人提案通過第26條造型證人提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
5755.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
5781.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
第七條造型證件提案通過第四十一條造型證件提案通過第四十七條造型證件提案通過第四十八條造型證件提案通過第四十九條造型證件提案通過增訂第五十一條之一保留送院會處理第五十二條造型證件提案通過第五十三條造型證件提案通過增訂第五十三條之一造型證件提案通過增訂第五十三條之二不予增訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
5783.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
5803.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
第55條 照行政提案通過 宣傳筆好 請問各位同仁 照剛剛宣讀的協商結論通過 請問有異議沒有異議好 沒有異議通過 那我們討論四項 所列個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案案 審查完畢您據審查報告提報 願會討論 請問需不需交由黨團協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
5808.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
5834.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
好 我們剛剛有說一樣是要教堂團學商那院會討論時勒由本席來說明那我們通過的條文相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理好 我們今天是經濟委員會我們今天是最努力的用最快的速度處理完這麼重要的條文那我們本日的議程處理完畢謝謝大家 現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
5836.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
5838.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
謝謝 |