| IVOD_ID |
167548 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167548 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-18T09:12:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-18T09:27:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4e26a61b53ad60530743273c42f9975eb086282839459da0f13775304d9d746afac1ac43399a4bcb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:12:19 - 09:27:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
【3月18日及19日兩天一次會】） |
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麻煩部長還有廉政署署長兩位早安有請部長還有廉政署署長好 |
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兩位早安部長署長今天的業務報告我看你們報告裡面有提到114年整合型的專案清查的成果那貪瀆線鎖是38件含送一般非法是100件那我想請問一下我先請問第一個問題你們自己有寫到清查的主題包括公有財務的保管處分對不對這是你們清查的範圍嗎是不是是 |
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這部分是一定是有包括公有財務的一個管理那部長這公務車的公有財務的使用管理集合這個是不是廉政署的政風體系他應該要做的督導還有防避的職責的確是這個一個督導我們會做一個專案的一個清查另外那個廉政署其實在去年的7月3日有訂立公務車使用管理廉政職業要把這個政風機構來協助 |
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那我想請問一下你們這次的報告貪瀆線所38件裡面有沒有包括到監委私用公務車這38件有沒有包含到監委私用公務車有沒有哪一位可以給署長或部長提示的 |
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台北地檢署已經在偵辦中台北地檢署已經在偵辦中台北地檢署已經在偵辦中 |
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38件裡面沒有那這樣子很奇怪因為我知道當然監察院他的紀律委員會有調查那這樣子的話這個政風不用介入調查因為您剛剛你們有說公有財務的保管處分也是政風體系要調查業務範圍內可是這次38件的線索裡面卻沒有跟監察委員使用公務車有關 |
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那這個監察院的政風系 政風人員那不是就沒有存在的價值了嗎 署長那這部分我們了解看看當然那個監察院他自己對公務員本身他的連結監察院也有職責去調查紀律委員會嘛 署長做的是紀律委員會那我的意思是這樣 因為你們剛剛有提到政風 公有財務的保管處分這個是政風要管的 |
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那但是在這一次裡面卻沒有任何一個案子跟這些監委有關但是從監察院2月6號的新聞稿裡面他有提到幾個他說林玉龍委員用公務車到機場接送親友他要求口頭跟書面道歉那王榮章委員他搭公務車去理髮要促請他注意那蘇麗瓊委員去看牙醫搭公務車那他們認為說因為還要回來上班所以這個難以苛責啦 |
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那我的意思是說紀律委員會有做他的職責有去調查沒有錯但是政風卻完全沒有管因為這兩個是不同體系你政風不能不調查因為不是所有的機關都有紀律委員會監察院有其他機關沒有我回過頭來要講的就是一個很重要的點就是那如果沒有的話那如果依照監察院的紀律委員會告訴大家的結果是我只要去搭公共車去 |
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看個牙齒然後等一下只要再回來上番那這個部分呢就沒有問題那是不是全國的公務員可以比照辦理那全國的政風也不用去查這個事是不是署長您的意思呢 |
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跟委員報告 廉政署在114年7月3號他有訂定一個公務車使用管理廉政的指引那我們已經有發函各政府政府單位 協助機關來檢視了解公務車的使用有沒有什麼樣的一個風險來加強控管 |
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所以我的意思是這樣啦齁我剛剛提了幾個點第一個監察院的陣風並沒有讓我看到他有真的在查這件事情所以我要了解的是那他的監察院的陣風他存在的價值在哪裡還是他就不做事了這第一個 |
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第二個就是說如果依照監察院他們對自己的要求他寬以律己的要求認為呢你搭公務車去理髮就促請他注意那你搭公務車去看牙齒等一下如果有回來上班這個就沒問題不用苛責那如果這一套標準如果是的話那我們將來是不是我們要告訴我們全國的政風 |
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人員說這個這套標準是這樣所以以後全國的公務員大大小小公務員你只要搭公務車出去看個牙齒回來繼續上班就沒有關係因為我要的是標準我不是苛責這個我不是找這些監委麻煩我也不是苛責我只是說全國你要有同一套標準不能說我面對自己的面對高官的時候我的標準非常的寬但是如果今天一個基層的檢察官他坐公務車去看牙齒再回來繼續寫書類 |
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那就要處分他我的意思只是這樣不能有不一樣的標準但是我在這件事情上面看到似乎有不一樣的標準署長我不知道您的意思怎麼樣因為監察院的紀律委員會已經這樣子做出結論了那監察院的政風也沒有調查那我不知道您轄下的各機關的政風將來遇到這個事你會要他管還是要他不管 |
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委員剛剛有報告全國我們就是依公務車使用管理人證指引這個來控管那另外在監察院政風的部分他有進行已經進行內部的集合他因為本身也掌管公務員的官僧 |
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那你那個指引有包括要怎麼樣處理嗎有 全國都有這樣好了啦 我想這部分是不是麻煩您在一個月內能夠回覆一下回覆給我 監察院政風體系到底有沒有喪失功能 |
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這個部分可以回覆我一下你們要跟我們講為什麼這次監察院的政務體系沒有啟動調查這是第一個第二個公務車的部分你們的指引會不會跟監察院紀律委員會的結論矛盾會不會監察院紀律委員會說監察委員都不用處理但是全國的公務員你要被處分好不好這部分麻煩你一個月回覆第二個我請調查局跟年證署也一起上來備詢 |
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好 我請教一下 因為我現在講一個一年前發生的案子那因為這跟毒品也有關係有一個零性男子毒駕撞死的一個老師那後來被發現他是在吸食那個殭屍煙袋那法務部這次給我們的業務報告也寫得很清楚114年第13波查緝毒品的專案裡面就有說依托彌子他列為查緝的重點 |
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所以法務部早就知道這個東西它已經進入社會而且它會上路 會出人命所以法務部才會加強的管理那我想第一個我先請教部長這個被告他是毒品列管的人口也有毒品前科 也有重傷害前科那現在被羈押了我想問這種人可以開車上路那等於被政府放生嘛那全民會說 那到底政府在哪裡問題出在哪裡 部長 |
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這管理上面是不是有問題啊這個獨駕的委員也很重視啦那我想我們都是對獨駕是零容忍尤其還有肇事那這部分獨駕的確引起最近有些獨駕案件造成人命得意的傷害引起社會很大的關注所以我們這部分基層的檢察官在懲罰前我們都是會速查嚴辦所以我們說這部分會生壓那基本法院也都很支持部長 |
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這講這個都沒有問題居城警察官都非常辛苦我那些老同事常常都打電話跟我跟我在那邊抱怨很多事所以我很清楚但是我現在要講的是另外一個問題我知道獨駕上路不是只有法務部的責任跟警察跟交通部的法規都有關聯性 |
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但是呢我從去年10月我曾經執行過苗栗隨機殺人案我在那個案子的時候我已經有提過一個點就是法務部我們有很多預算是讓法務部去管理整個前科表或一些資料嘛那些資料本來是可以去做一些預防或高風險的評估就像一些金融他們有一些什麼紅旗警訊等等的把某些人可以列為一些高風險 |
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防護部的系統本來就有毒品人口他出監前的轉嫌啦社區追蹤輔導更生保護關戶還有毒品那個防治中心還有一些資料銜接的這些資源都在你們手上所以你們對於這些高風險的人口其實你們是能掌握的那從去年10月我就一直說 |
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從隨機殺人案我們可以看到這些資料法務部有法務部有沒有辦法去跟其他的單位能夠大家一起串聯起來看看可不可以對這些高風險的人口能夠多做一些管制譬如說我先提幾個我個人的淺見對於那些高風險的人口譬如說一些獨家 |
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毒品人口 重大暴力犯罪的人我們對於這些族群 我們有沒有建立一個跨單位的轉介跟追蹤的機制存在再來一線執法的一些科技設備 譬如說監視器 車牌辨識系統 車輛互聯網等等的這些東西有沒有利用這些來做一些預防還有你們有沒有去看這些出獄之後 |
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再犯率就業率還有那個治療完成率這些一起綜合的評估去知道誰是重大風險者因為法務部你必須做到前端的預防中端的查緝跟末端的矯正啊你們到底從去年十月到現在你們有沒有哪一套系統或哪一個機制真的建立起來能夠做這個預防 |
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跟委員報告 事實上他提到的這就是以後前科的資料就是涉及到一個特種的一個個資那我們想這部分我們本部會再研立要照那個委員的一些寶貴的意見去年十月我已經提過了就從隨機殺讓我就提過因為我還是這麼認為因為我第一線出 |
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實務出來的嘛因為制度如果只剩下紙上文書啊那人民的感覺就會覺得被政府放生了他安全沒有得到保障他們會害怕所以我才會說是不是可以把這些資料綜合起來我們做一個誰是高風險者的預先預先能夠把這些 |
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這些悲劇我們把它預防掉啦因為跟部長報告羈押只能安撫今天人民的憤怒啦你們把它押起來沒錯安撫了憤怒而已但是你只有把這套制度建立起來你才能夠預防下一次的遺憾發生 |
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所以我們的政府的存在是要讓人民幸福而不是只是演給人民看而已所以我還是拜託部長因為這些數據這些資料都在貴部的手上是不是可以麻煩貴部能夠像我剛剛講的那幾個點能夠把它做好建立起一套 |
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那個預警的機制 然後對這些人能夠去控管需要相關的修法 你都可以跟我們講 立法院這邊全力的配合人民要的是安全欸 人民不是要看這個人被關幾年欸 那個對人民沒有用啊這個老師被撞死 他家屬痛不欲生啊他們在乎的是這個 他不是在乎這個人會不會被羈押啦好不好 部長再麻煩你這塊那可不可以兩個月內給我一份初步的 |
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你們的流程要怎麼走 好不好 兩個月這個時間蠻長 兩個月給我一下那最後 兩分鐘我還是跟部長談一下那個無期徒刑這個問題啦 假設撤銷這個因為我還是要再提一個 |
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這個2013年宪判2號這個宣告無期徒刑的假釋犯那當時在宪判制的時候依照現有的制度當時大法官就已經說3月14號是最後修法的期限如果沒有過的話就是你們貴部也是公開說這些無期徒刑犯可能會被放回社會這是貴部講的嘛但是呢你們的這個流程其實速度我其實是存疑的啦因為 |
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大法官給的是兩年是24個月但是呢你們司法那個那個行政院他卻到最後剩下三個月才送到 |
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立法院而且這三個月裡面我們今年是沒有休會我知道但是依照過往的制度12月31號就休會了等於你們12月3號送到立法院如果依照過往的制度有兩個月休會你只剩下一個月要處理整個三讀的流程那今年雖然沒有休會但是你12月3號送進來之後 |
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結果也沒有人來跟召委報告說這個要優先凡要趕快審都沒有啊所以大家都不知道那你們也沒有爭取要優先討論也沒有主動跟黨團說有這個案子其實這個跟過往的做法都不一樣過往因為修法是貴部主責嘛那過往貴部如果有發現一個案子很緊急他會趕快跟 |
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趙偉說趕快跟黨團說然後我們才急著把這個東西處理好結果這次都沒有結果到最後剩下幾天我們才知道有這件事情然後才緊急的幾天內趕快進附二讀趕快給他通過雖然這個修法我們三黨都支持但是這個程序上面我覺得是不是要跟同仁溝通你這對很多立委都對這件事情不滿最後跟部長報告這件事情 |
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24個月結果行政院搞了21個月才送出來剩下3個月的時間裡面還有過年還有原本以前是休會的期間硬的三讀就大家連討論也沒辦法也沒有時間討論什麼都沒有討論 |
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剩下幾天硬給他通過因為我們也擔心這些無期徒刑犯放回社會對社會安全造成的影響所以大家就有共識趕快給他過所以我的意思只是這樣是不是以後像這種重大跟民生有關緊急的事情你們可以送來之後趕快跟黨團說跟召委說然後爭取優先排案讓我們趕快審查我們才有時間討論好不好這部分麻煩部長 |
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這個謝謝委員各黨團修法完成這麻煩你要講因為檢察官辦案都有辦案期限啊三個月沒進行還會被長官電啊這我們都知道嘛那不能說這樣子你只有三個月送進來然後我們根本立委其實立委對這一個案子其實還蠻反彈的不管藍綠其實對這個為什麼剩下那麼短時間都很有意見好不好跟部長報告這個事情好 就這樣 謝謝部長 |