| IVOD_ID |
167545 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167545 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-17T16:16:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-17T16:47:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:16:25 - 16:47:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本院秉持國家安全優先、強力捍衛領土完整之原則，若美方發價書明文公布之拖式、標槍飛彈續購及M109A7自走砲等三項對美軍購案簽約期程屆至之前尚未完成相關預算之審議，茲授權行政院先行與美方簽署發價書（LOA），以保障國家戰略利益。行政院應於簽署後即刻向立法院提出完整相關武器交貨期程報告，回歸審議常軌，履行行政院於預算編列前後完整說明之義務，不得再以『國家安全』為名，規避民主審議與理性監督。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月13日）二、同意權之行使事項：本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。（3月13日）三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（3月17日）四、3月13日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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接下來我們今天最後一位質詢為楊瓊瑩委員請質詢謝謝院委主席韓院長我們行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊各位同任新聞界的朋友楊瓊瑩發言首先邀請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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主計總署在2月份公佈了最新的經濟預測將今年的經濟成長由原先的3.5%大幅提升了4.17%公佈的答案是7.71% |
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那隨著中東的戰事升溫國際油價劇烈的波動石油下游的這個石化業下游的原物料比如說PE PPC這些的成本上升那一開始會衝擊到什麼呢 |
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基本的在市場上的手搖飲網購的包材等這是實際上民生最直接影響到的物價那我看到在我們的經濟部你們現在目前的方向基礎是建立在穩定通膨的假設上以這個基礎 |
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但是如果油價每漲10%那我們的GPI就會提升大概是0.20%在這樣的情況之下對於穩定物價小組的具體應變措施以及針對我們整個中小企業 |
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所做到的這個衝擊我們的協助方案協助預算那我看到目前我們有大方向但細節的部分還沒有也就是我們缺乏了壓力測試的一個配套措施所以在這邊我們只要請教也就是說如果我們7.7%我們建立的是在和平跟低油價的這個假設上 |
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但是一旦现在我们看到很多的不确定性战火延烧不知道到什么时候的这个情况之下产业的扶植是我们在基层上面非常关注的一个焦点所以怎么样能够帮助在因为战争原有调整包括了包产 |
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油耗成本來提升那這些的微型的企業我們要怎麼樣去協助他所以本席首先要請教也就是我們最近要召開的這個電價審議委員會最近要召開 |
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那經濟成本經濟成長如果依照我們二月份所宣布的當然這個方向是在和平低優價的情況但是我們現在面臨到的是不一樣的這個情況所以在通膨跟戰爭物價波動這個我們看到是有這個影像已經在提升那所以本期要請教短期內 |
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是不是應該電價要動漲來協助我們這些產業請教尤其是微型電也微型的這個產業請教院長 |
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好,謝謝楊委員,國際情勢持續緊張,可能還要持續一個相當的時段,那麼國際情勢所造成的經濟的變化因素,我們最怕的是什麼?最怕就是我們這個因素掌握不清楚,如果是因為戰爭單一的因素,我們是可以看到這個可能的影響,我們可以做很多的分析的,目前就是這個狀況。 |
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所以針對能源你看從由的上禮拜到這個禮拜政府採取雙平反的方式也啟動了專案的平反方式讓它能夠由政府來吸收為的也就是讓民生能夠穩定下來這個回答非常好大宗物資我們把它延長延長貨稅的時間把它延長讓大家能夠進口的 |
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接近我們的關稅能夠穩定下來這個我們要把它延長時間到9月所以種種的措施做下來我們期待在這個期段當中就能夠看到國際形勢改變我們就有能力來調整那目前主計總數所預計的這個數字當然是一個目標本來就是一個很高的目標那現在這個變化還在進行當中我們是極力在這個目標底下用盡所有的方法來穩定民生來穩定物價 |
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來因應國際情勢至於您說的電價因為一直是電價的這個審議委員會在主導在決定我們只希望他能看到目前社會的現象國際的局勢能夠跟政府採取這樣的一個立場由電價審議委員會來做最終的討論 |
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非常謝謝院長你的回答你說希望電價選議委員會朝著政府現在所做的黃小玉的部分我們原本是到三月底的減稅那現在已經延長半年也就是九月那換句話說政府有看到我們不知道國際情勢的變化而且是非常的嚴峻持續的嚴峻所以在這樣的情況之下本席還是回歸到我們的電的問題因為產業需要電 |
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民生也需要電小吃店也需要電我們雅琪亞也需要電在這樣的情況之下本席再一次的請教因為電是一個根本產業最重要的必要條件的根本因子所以在這樣的情況之下您剛才所說的本席都非常的贊成因為你知道 |
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我們面對到國際的情勢勢必一定會受到波及物價如果我們政府沒有控管的時候沒有協助的時候那一定會通膨所以再一次請教剛剛你回答很好說希望水利委員會跟你的立場是一樣也就是協助也就是動長是不是如此 |
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我們希望以民生穩定來跟全國的人民來度過現在這個狀況那電價審議委員會都是這方面的專家我們通常是不去做任何指導性講話等等在希望他們能夠看到這個現象我認為他們的關心跟我們的關心應該會是一致的 |
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所以一致的你的立場也希望在這個時間點應該是要動漲讓我們的民生絕對物價不可以再同盤是不是如此朝這個方向這是行政院現在在說所有穩定物價最高的原則最高的原則也就是在目前大家看到這個議題也這個現象要協助要穩定物價所以這一次的電價一定要動漲朝這個方向是嗎 |
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最後的結論還是有電價審理委員會來表達所以在行政院長你高度的這個立場裡頭這個方向也就是要平穩物價嘛是不是對平穩物價對所以首先就是要動長我們的電價是嗎這兩個字我不宜在這裡講 |
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不可以在這邊講 但是你的方向是如此 是不是你不能做決定 但是你可以有一個方向我當然希望國人的生活都能在這個時間點能夠比較平穩安定的度過平穩安定就是動場我希望沈議員會聽到統裝瓦斯的部分 |
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當時我們一直喊統裝瓦斯是民生第一線所以我也要謝謝也就是現在是到三月底統裝瓦斯動長是到三月底請教今天已經三月十七號現在兩個禮拜的時間就要到了剛剛我們首先講的連電我們都要動長平穩物價那請教我請求也就是問我們的民生來請求也就是這個統裝瓦斯我務必一定要再延 |
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請教院長大原則也是如此剛剛說的如此我們一方面要觀察整個國際局勢的變化我們現在宣布的我們之前要求的也就是你們宣布的是三月底統中網是動場會不會再延長動場到下一季一方面要再觀察國際局勢的變化但是我們秉持的原則是一樣的 |
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品質的原則是一樣難得的一樣非常好都是為民生所以因此也就是在我們的統裝瓦斯的部分因為剛剛你已經說到國際情勢的一個嚴峻而不可抗拒的一個形態所以如果這一些的形態持續在增加的時候院長 |
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是不是我們的桶莊瓦斯是在每一個家庭都需要用到在小吃店都需要用到的這是直接決定要不要通漲要不要通本的一個問題那是不是我們應當3月底之後桶莊瓦斯仍舊再研一季請教 |
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如果說國際局勢持續的緊張但我們一方面也要考慮到中油在這一兩週之內已經吸收了很大的財務的負擔我們要考慮到未來財務負擔如何但這個還是要擺在民生經濟安定之後的考量先考慮社會謝謝你一句民生安定也就是我們行政院的物價平穩的這個小組裡頭的最重要的精髓 |
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所以我再一次強調也再一次要求跟拜託統裝瓦斯是針對第一線物價是不是會通盤的關鍵決勝者所以一定要在三月底之後再延長我現在首先率先要求再延長一季 |
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因為你的黃小玉都延長半年本席就要求你依照現況依照現況條件因子不可抗拒是存在的所以必須要延長一季坦白跟委員說很多委員都向我表達這樣的意思我請部長好好的去研究好 所以你是同意這個方向嗎我們希望因為剩下兩個禮拜趕快告訴我們民眾讓大家的安心 |
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統裝瓦斯的動漲再延長一季中油的部分我們當然盡量往物價平穩的方向來設計但是統裝瓦斯還是有台塑我們也跟他來做協商看看但是不敢台塑的部分你率先動作來做我謝謝我們的統裝瓦斯在三月底之後還是動漲至少先延到一季的時間 |
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謝謝 讓我們全國的民眾都能安心知道政府有在做事情知道我們是在為民生這個非常重要 院長是不是很多委員都表達同樣的意見 我們都聽到了好 所以你會朝這個方向因為剩下兩個禮拜 |
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好 謝謝你的點頭我謝謝你接下來我們來談AI148億的先進研發預算裡頭如果沒有電就沒有AI了電是最重要的是最重要的所以我們希望來台灣國際的廠來台灣設立AMD等來台灣設立研發中心要推動的2奈米以下的製程 |
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那這些尖端的研發每一項都是吃電的怪獸它電力要很多所以我們要有所做準備所以經濟部的要請教我們的電力基礎真的可以撐起這樣子的一個高產值跟高後能的研發夢嗎我希望政府要做得到而且務必要做得到 |
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經濟部一邊要推動的這個領航企業的深耕計畫來輔助外面的這個外商來談 非常好但是另外一方面又要對我們本土的這個產業說電力供應吃緊 說要漲電價這個我們本土的傳統產業是受不了的 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教我們預估的148億的投入你們的KPI指數也就是會有多少的企業界會來進駐那你有沒有去評估因為你有一個數字148億出來了 部長 |
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所以你一定有評估有多少人要進駐有多少人要進駐你的需求量的電力的需求到底是什麼國際廠國際廠都有嚴格的百分之百的RE他們的一個承諾對不對RE100的承諾喔綠電100所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教我們要考慮我們希望都能夠進來但是我方的準備到底是怎麼樣不要因為我們的電力不足而讓人家再轉向 |
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這是北極不希望看到的請教院長對如果是資料資料中心Data Center的話那當然要有一些算力作為基礎當然那我們當然是希望就是說電的發電量供應現在看起來至少到目前來講是比較沒有但是電網的部分因為他很多如果你要放在比較人口的密集的地方因為他的這個算力需要比較大的這個電量基礎要到 |
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要蓋比較那個高壓的這個電那這樣的話可能就要一些準備時間所以我們希望說你如果要蓋算力中心的話儘早讓我們知道那要準備這些電網那但是我們還是希望說如果這些算力中心電力中心可以比較靠近電廠的話我覺得那個是比較好的一個方式不用拉很多的電線到比較人口密集區去 |
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副長 你有計畫但是你的回答不是很成熟因為你既然每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢你既然有提出了一個148億你絕對有你的KPI 院長要多少廠商進駐你的電力要多少你這個務必一定要有配套不然你的148億怎麼出來的所以針對這一點 |
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本期具體要求你把它計算好因為本期不希望人家來投資結果說我們的電力不足要轉向轉到日本轉到新加坡這不是我們所願的當然是研發是研發的補助 |
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當然是不是設那個電腦Center不對,你不要內行的公關,有的啦你們有這個前途要去補助這些,你的配套要怎麼做請你詳細把你的規劃,剛才本席特別說的這兩點請你書面資料給本席我們希望能夠台灣由國際的廠能夠進來 |
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這樣子才是我們台灣越來越進步跟世界接軌所以你把書面資料給本席接下來本席要跟您討論的是在我們整個產業研發跟能源供應的方面我提出了三點第一個你研發電力的一個配套剛剛本席所說的 |
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我希望你一周之內經濟部你可以給本席因為你一定會有他的配套也就是目前我們預估在AI數據當中我們預估的新增的電力到底是要多少還有我們對應的這個區塊他要怎麼樣穩定的計畫 |
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這一點是非常重要國際的場合要進來人家也要聽到我們到底有沒有這個能耐我覺得我們要自己把我們自己的條件告訴人家然後讓人家可以進來這一點是非常重要第二個綠電優先供應的這個排序 |
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我們知道國際的研發中心他在綠電的要求那麼所以我要請教經濟部你會不會確保大廠吃飽我中小企業尤其我們中部地區我中小企業為了餓死你這個排擠效應要怎麼安排不會因為我們有區隔開來就是台電自己開發的這些電廠就是綠能電廠是有一部分的比例是留給中小企業用的 |
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你要去盤點因為我們中小企業嫩性非常強院長我們不管怎麼樣我們還是咬緊牙根撐住所以政府必須要責任要全力協助他們不能犧牲這些中小企業你要承諾喔 不能犧牲我們的中小企業承諾好 接下來第三個嫩性電網的這個部分就剛剛本席所說的 |
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你們在這個部分你的智慧電網跟存能設備存能技術有沒有包括在這裡面這兩項你有沒有包括如果是大的韌性計畫十年五千億那個不是這個計畫它是一個比較有點像高速公路直接到工業園區然後跟民生用電把它去開所以你就是沒有嘛所以本席告訴你你應該要運用AI來優化我們自己的電力調度的韌性 |
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這個會有啊 台電已經開始在做了所以它的電源現在的控制就是它的控制室基本上都已經導入AI的系統你們現在預計要怎麼做請順便資料給本席本來要告訴經濟部的也就是研發的經費它不是空中羅格 |
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本席認為我們也不能只有當一個研發的這個善台同志因為能源是全世界非常重要比照國安的議題在運作、在布建、在規劃所以我們應該要當能源的這個守門員 |
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能源的守門員怎麼樣去分配我們現有以及預計應該有的這些能源非常的重要因為只有解決能源的焦慮我們的產業才能夠真正的蓬勃發展所以針對剛剛以上本席所要的資料也請在這個時間之內給本席接下來本席要跟你院長討論的也就是最近 |
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你們也提出了這個新核能技術我覺得我非常的贊同因為我們長期在經濟委員會我們一直在討論一直在討論那提出了你們提出了更務實跟更開放的這個態度呢這是一個正確的方向是一個正確的方向我當然當過這個民意代表在我們的產業界最怕的是什麼他不怕的是政策的轉向他最怕的是什麼他最怕的是電看得到吃不到 |
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因为这个是源头所以在这样的情况之下工商时报他也特别说了他特别说了社论他说停滞性的通膨压力 |
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停滯性的通本壓力不會啦我們現在的物價上漲率還不到2%然後經濟的成長剛剛提到可能超過7%我也希望是如此但是那一些都是在低油價以及和平平和的立場所以部長你要回答議題的時候請你要 |
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要納入我們目前的樣態接下來本期要跟您討論的是因為停滯性的通膨的壓力它背後反映的是企業界對於穩定且具備有競爭力的電價它是極度的焦慮所以剛剛本期才一直跟院長在討論希望這一次的電價一定要動漲的這個原因我們也朝著這個方向 |
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所以本期繼續要跟你討論也就是說我們能源轉型如果它只有一個願景但是它沒有工程時程表如果沒有工程時程表那這個不確定性可以說是經濟最大的一個緊張跟危險所有的發電的設計都有一個時程表 |
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好 所以你有一個時間表我繼續跟你討論我們現在的核電廠在利用核三廠一號機是在2020年的7月已經這個停機二號機是在去年2025年5月份的停機那麼根據核能的專家他去評估核電廠如果可以成功的研議他每一度的電成本大概是1.1到1.5塊 |
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比遠低於燃氣發電的多少 3.5塊以上喔 還以上 燃氣以上所以院長台電預計 我們在經濟委員會一直討論也一直希望速度加快院長 |
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台電預計在這個月底在這個月底他要提出了再運轉計畫他要提出再運轉計畫所以本行要請教在確保安全無虞的這個情況之下那麼行政院你是不是跟何恩惠有做過討論希望他在整個簡化行政程序審查的這個程序簡化這個時間點有沒有討論過 |
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台電提出再一轉計畫之後他已經先前有一個自主安全檢查這個都要經過核安會的審定但是因為檢查是OK的才會在3月底要送嘛所以你整個的審查程序是不是要調整可以怎麼樣去簡化程序就算再簡化安全也不能被檢查所以本期第一個議題就是安全無虞所以安全的問題我們就交給核安會他就是一個獨立的機關讓他從程序問題上 |
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全面做安全的把關那這個我們是希望台電能夠做充分的準備提出的再運轉計畫或是之前做的自主安全檢查都能夠經得起 |
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在安全無虞的時間 因為你也知道那要幾年的時間嘛河岸為了審查它是並行的再運轉計畫是一部分還有我們的自主安全檢查是一部分那自主安全檢查我們會跟原廠 西屋公司自主安全檢查又是另外一個議題 部長你不要岔開議題所以本席請教 我們預計什麼時候可以看到河山廠重新併網 |
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你們在KPI是什麼時候?在安全無慮的這個情況之下你預計在什麼時候?台電已經跟CU公司簽訂MOU也開始啟動但是無論是自主安全檢查或是再運轉計畫我們也要知道說它裡面所有需要更換的設備更新調整都能夠沒有問題這個當然 |
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這個就是在本席剛剛一提出的安全無虞的前提之下四個字已經告訴你了安全無虞的前提之下所以本席也希望我們大家好不容易有一個理念這個都一樣也就是 |
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這個河山廠的這個部分要怎麼樣重新能夠去併網然後來幫助我們平衡目前的這個結構性的通膨壓力我想這個是一個很重要的一個里程我們希望能夠達成成功部長剛剛有講過了即使我們現在對於現在的用電並沒有大的疑慮但是我告訴委員最不想讓全國缺電的是誰是台電 |
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他可以發電他一定會照程序院長現在你身為一個院長行政院你所做的事情不是今天不是這個月不是下個月你可以告訴我們的你的能源三月無綠四月也無綠五月你可以買更高的櫃更高的能源這是你告訴我們的本席倒備如流你不是你是一個行政院長 |
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對不對 你怎麼可以說我現在無率我請問你五月份你買高的貴的這個能源會不會漲價 |
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我們產業很緊張耶我剛剛是說部長跟大家都說過我們現在供電是穩定的所以你這個穩定我希望能夠呈現接下來我請教院長跟部長童子賢董事長他之前公開的呼籲了他說昂貴的電價對民眾是不公平的 |
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1446.853 |
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昂貴的電價對我們都是不公平的這一句話點出了什麼呢經濟上的能源正義經濟上的能源正義請你聽清楚高科技產業他有能力去買更貴他多少都可以全部買來 |
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所以我要為台中說一句話台中的民意代表楊瓊怡我必須要加碼的提醒我們的院長一個沉痛的不公平 |
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也就是健康上的能源正義健康上的能源正義所以請經濟部跟台電如果我們的河山廠運轉並往成功不管是未來我們引進了所謂的SMR說小型的那都好就是來補充我們的機載電力在這樣的一個情況之下 每增加一度的 |
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零碳電力都要優先來用來實質處理中國的藍美支柱給台中市民一個明確的五美的時刻表請在院長 |
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在台中火力發電廠我們曾經跟台電到現場看過也看過很多次會建一拆一的方式他的目標是在2034年那我希望他提前到2032年就能夠做有效的管制那目前希望他 |
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也新的燃氣機組的工程能夠順利進行這個也需要台中市政府跟各位民意代表共同來支持台電現在進行是ING當中所以本席要請教也就是核商場運轉之後因為您有曾經說過如果電力不夠要啟動燃煤機組我們很緊張 |
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所以我要為了我們整個健康上的能源正義我要發聲所以我請教也就是說你未來你充分的這個這個積載電力是夠的的時候是在執行的時候你增加的每一度 |
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零碳電力 你要優先優先來用在實質廚藝 藍美機組院長你可以承諾嗎是 藍美機組重新備用的啟動用它是一個最終的不得已的手段我們最先淘汰的的確都是藍美機組院長我聽到你這個我真的請你針對本席的提問因為我們就是很緊張你說如果不夠我一定把你火力全開你燒下去 |
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我們很緊張我們的健康所以我才會跟你講一個原則問題院長你請聽清楚本期沒有跟你討論這個問題也就是如果你在河山廠之後你的電力機載它開始運轉的時候你每一個淨零碳排的零碳電力的時候那你應該把這些優先來太救燃煤機組這個原則你可以答應啊 |
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這個才是真正照顧我們的健康的能源正義啊各個電廠燃煤機組的拆除或是太久都會按照原來的時程我們盡量把它提前但是不是突然間要全部把燃煤機組都把它拆掉你講這個不成熟的回答因為你之前沒有河山廠的問題所以用煤量會降下來 |
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1677.45 |
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我在請教院長所以我本席告訴你的是一個原則的問題對 何山長哪一天可以重啟重新再運轉這都是一個尚未知的日子不是尚未知的問題喔我不能在這裡跟妳話一個院長 院長本席沒有跟你承諾沒有要求你承諾什麼時候回答喔什麼時間點喔本席是說如果我們現在好不容易已經朝著這個軌道在走了嘛我們希望能夠成功嘛那成功之後你應該應許 |
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我們同意委員就是所有包括台中火力發電廠在內燃煤機組我們按計畫來把它拆除按計畫拆除是現在的計畫但是加注其他的因素你必須要調整嘛如果我們有新的能源供應的時候我們當然會調整計畫可以往前推就是實質廚藝中火的燃煤機組 |
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如果有充裕的其他新的計畫的時候有其他新的能源供應的時候我們當然有能力來調整這個計畫那現在我不能說我會調整到什麼時候有能力來調整這個計畫也就是同意優先來拆除產業基礎我就希望他調到2032這個是我們可以做得到的 |
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你還可以再提早啦因為我們現在全力支持這個燃氣燃氣現在進度超前嘛這個我們一分一秒每一個我們都在監督啦對不對就是我們中部地區健康的問題啊我也要謝謝你啦同意也就是說我們每增加的每一度這個零碳的電力你優先來汰除這個優先來汰除這個這個南美的基礎中國的南美基礎 |
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會減煤降煤而且你速度要比現在還要快這才是重點所以我就要告訴院長我們不能接受說你電費漲了那剝奪我們的荷包但是空屋卻沒有少 剝奪我們的健康這是我在我們中部地區裡頭我們非常的希望你的 |
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電網更新跟空屋的一個房子你要並行因為這攸關了每一位在台中的母親她關心的她的孩子的一個呼吸權每一年都有改善的一個呼吸權這個非常的重要所以我要告訴你說高經濟不能犧牲好空氣 |
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而且呢拼金鈴你也不能剝奪我們的老百姓我希望剛剛我們共同所討論的也就是太除中火的藍莓基礎在金鈴店的這個部分可以優先來處理我們要謝謝楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝卓院長相關部會所長貝馨謝謝不然我們本日排定的質詢委員已經質詢完畢謝謝卓院長 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:39.146000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:44.730000+08:00 |
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謝謝院會主席韓院長、行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊、各位同仁、新聞界朋友。 |
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0.933 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:45.791000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:47.552000+08:00 |
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楊瓊瓔發言，首先邀請卓院長。 |
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0.917 |
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主席 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:47.552000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:48.232000+08:00 |
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麻煩再請卓院長備詢。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:48.232000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:54.355000+08:00 |
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楊委員好。 |
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0 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:16:54.355000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:00.478000+08:00 |
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院長好。 |
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0 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:00.478000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:11.626000+08:00 |
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主計總處在2月份公布最新的經濟預測，將今年經濟成長率由原先的3.54%大幅提升了4.17%，換句話說，公布的答案是7.71%。 |
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0.837 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:17.311000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:32.283000+08:00 |
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隨著中東戰事升溫，國際油價劇烈波動，石化下游原物料（PE、PPC）成本上升，已開始會衝擊到什麼呢？ |
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0.952 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:32.763000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:43.395000+08:00 |
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基本的，在市場上的手搖飲、網購包材等，實際上最直接影響到的是民生物價。 |
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0.903 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:17:43.535000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:18:01.392000+08:00 |
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我看到經濟部目前的方向，基礎是建立在穩定通膨的假設上，是以這個為基礎，但是如果油價每漲10%，那我們的CPI就會提升大概0.20%。 |
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0.946 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:18:01.392000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:18:24.763000+08:00 |
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在這樣的情況之下，對於穩定物價小組的具體應變措施，以及針對整個中小企業所受到的衝擊，我們的協助方案、協助預算，我看到目前我們有大方向，但細節的部分還沒有，也就是我們缺乏壓力測試的配套措施。 |
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0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:18:26.523000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:18:53.917000+08:00 |
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本席要請教，這個7.71%是建立在和平跟低油價的假設上，但現在我們看到很多的不確定性，在戰火延燒不知道到什麼時候的情況之下，產業扶植是我們在基層上面非常關注的焦點，所以怎麼樣能夠幫助因為戰爭而造成的原油調漲？ |
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0.642 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:18:55.578000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:04.626000+08:00 |
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包括包材、油耗成本提升，這些微型企業我們要怎麼樣去協助呢？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:06.208000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:43.368000+08:00 |
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本席首先要請教，最近要召開的電價審議委員會，經濟成長率如果依照2月份所宣布的，當然這個方向是在和平、低油價的情況下，但是我們現在面臨到的是不一樣的情況，在通膨跟戰爭之下，我們看到物價波動的現象已經在提升，所以本席要請教，短期內電價是不是應該要凍漲，以協助這些產業？ |
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0.858 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:43.868000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:45.851000+08:00 |
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尤其是微型產業，請教院長。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:48.491000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:49.151000+08:00 |
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謝謝楊委員。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:49.151000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:54.596000+08:00 |
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國際情勢持續緊張，可能還要持續一段相當的時間…… |
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0.905 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:54.596000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:55.937000+08:00 |
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對，基層也非常的焦慮。 |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:19:55.937000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:00.742000+08:00 |
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對於國際情勢所造成經濟的變化因素，我們最怕的是什麼？ |
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0.917 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:00.742000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:10.470000+08:00 |
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最怕就是我們對這個因素掌握不清楚，如果是戰爭單一的因素，我們可以看到可能的影響、我們可以做很多的分析，目前就是這個狀況。 |
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0.982 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:11.531000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:29.667000+08:00 |
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所以針對能源，從上個禮拜到這個禮拜，政府對油價採取雙緩機制，也啟動專案的平穩方式，讓它能夠由政府來吸收，為的也就是讓民生能夠穩定下來。 |
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0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:29.667000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:30.368000+08:00 |
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是，這個回答非常好。 |
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0.875 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:30.488000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:42.473000+08:00 |
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我們把大宗物資免貨物稅的時間延長，讓大家能夠進口……我們的關稅能夠穩定下來，這個我們也延長時間到9月。 |
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0.867 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-03-17T16:20:43.274000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:49.699000+08:00 |
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所以種種的措施做下來，我們期待在這個期間就能夠看到國際情勢改變，我們就有能力來調整。 |
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0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:20:50.379000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:21:08.234000+08:00 |
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而目前主計總處所預計的這個數字，它當然是一個目標，本來就是一個很高的目標，現在這個變化還在進行當中，我們是極力在這個目標底下，用盡所有的方法來穩定民生、穩定物價，因應國際情勢。 |
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0.963 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:21:08.234000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:21:21.823000+08:00 |
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至於您說的電價，因為一直都是電價審議委員會在主導、在決定，我們只希望他能看到目前社會的現象、國際的局勢，能夠衡量政府採取這樣的立場，由電價審議委員會來做最終的討論。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:21:24.448000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:21:46.816000+08:00 |
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非常謝謝院長的回答，你說希望電價審議委員會朝著政府現在所做的方向，在黃、小、玉的部分，我們原本是減稅到3月底，現在已經延長半年到9月，換句話說，政府有看到……但我們不知道國際情勢變化的情形，有可能是非常的嚴峻、持續嚴峻。 |
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0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:21:47.576000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:22:23.502000+08:00 |
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在這樣的情況之下，本席還是回歸到電的問題，因為產業需要電，民生也需要電、小吃店也需要電、夜市也需要電，電是一個根本，也是產業最重要的必要條件與根本因子，在這樣的情之下，您剛才所說的本席都非常的贊成，因為你知道我們面對國際的情勢，必會受到波及，如果我們政府沒有控管物價、沒有協助，到時候一定會造成通膨。 |
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0.926 |
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楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:22:23.502000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:22:33.966000+08:00 |
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所以再一次請教，剛剛你回答的很好，你說希望電價審議委員會跟你的立場是一樣，也就是協助及凍漲，是不是如此？ |
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0.809 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-03-17T16:22:34.704000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-03-17T16:22:52.249000+08:00 |
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我們希望穩定民生讓全國的人民度過現在這個狀況，而電價審議委員會都是這方面的專家，我們通常是不去做任何指導性講話之類的，但希望他們能夠看到這個現象，我認為他們的關心跟我們的關心應該會是一致的。 |
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0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:22:52.709000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:00.314000+08:00 |
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希望是一致的，因此你的立場也是希望在這個時間點應該要凍漲，讓我們的民生物價絕對不可以再通膨，是不是如此？ |
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0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:00.754000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-03-17T16:23:01.335000+08:00 |
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是不是朝這個方向？ |
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0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:01.855000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:05.878000+08:00 |
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這是行政院現在所做所有穩定物價措施的最高原則，我們希望這個原則大家…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.531 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:05.878000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:18.566000+08:00 |
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最高的原則，也就是目前大家看到這個議題、這個現象，我們要協助穩定物價，所以這一次的電價一定要凍漲，會朝這個方向，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:19.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-03-17T16:23:22.228000+08:00 |
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最後的結論還是由電價審議委員會來表達，我不宜…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:22.228000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:31.094000+08:00 |
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當然，所以你站在行政院長的高度，你的立場也是要平穩物價嘛，是不是？對。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:31.855000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:35.858000+08:00 |
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所以首先就是要凍漲電價，是嗎？ |
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0.846 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:35.858000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:36.318000+08:00 |
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這兩個字我不宜在這裡講。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:37.128000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:39.631000+08:00 |
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不宜在這邊講，但是你的方向是如此，是不是？ |
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0.944 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:39.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-03-17T16:23:40.631000+08:00 |
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我希望…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:40.112000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:42.554000+08:00 |
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你不能做決定，但是你可以有一個方向！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:42.815000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:48.201000+08:00 |
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對，我當然希望國人的生活在這個時間點都能比較平穩安定的度過。 |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:48.201000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:23:51.805000+08:00 |
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好，平穩安定就是凍漲，我希望審議委員會聽到。 |
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0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-03-17T16:23:52.827000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:24:09.352000+08:00 |
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再來，桶裝瓦斯的部分，當時我們一直喊桶裝瓦斯是民生第一線，所以我也要謝謝……現在桶裝瓦斯是凍漲到3月底，今天已經3月17號了，剩下兩個禮拜時間就要到了。 |
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0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-03-17T16:24:10.132000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:24:25.983000+08:00 |
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剛剛我們首先講的，連電我們都要凍漲，以平穩物價，因此我要為我們的民生來請求，桶裝瓦斯務必一定要再延，請教院長，是否凍漲？ |
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0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-03-17T16:24:25.983000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-03-17T16:24:31.226000+08:00 |
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大原則也是如此，像我剛剛說的，我們一方面要觀察整個國際局勢的變化…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-03-17T16:24:32.327000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:24:40.092000+08:00 |
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好，所以現在是到3月底嘛，我們之前要求的，也就是你們宣布的是桶裝瓦斯凍漲到3月底，請教你，會不會再延長凍漲到下一季？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-03-17T16:24:40.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-03-17T16:24:44.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
一方面要再觀察國際局勢的變化，但是我們秉持的原則是一樣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-03-17T16:24:45.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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2026-03-17T16:24:48.124000+08:00 |
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秉持的原則是一樣，難得的一樣，非常好，都是為民生。 |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-03-17T16:24:48.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-03-17T16:24:49.124000+08:00 |
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但是委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-03-17T16:24:48.885000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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2026-03-17T16:25:17.922000+08:00 |
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因此在我們的桶裝瓦斯的部分，因為你剛剛已經說到國際情勢嚴峻且不可抗拒的型態，如果這些型態持續增加，院長，桶裝瓦斯在每個家庭都需要用到、在小吃店都需要用到，這是直接決定要不要通漲、要不要通膨的問題，請教桶裝瓦斯是不是應當3月底之後再延一季？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-03-17T16:25:19.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-03-17T16:25:36.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
如果說國際局勢持續地緊張，但我們一方面也要考慮到中油在這一、兩週之內已經吸收很大的財務負擔，我們要考慮到未來財務負擔如何，但這個還是要擺在民生經濟安定之後的考量，先考慮社會。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-03-17T16:25:36.284000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:25:43.106000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝你一句「民生安定」，也就是我們行政院物價平穩小組裡頭最重要的精髓。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-03-17T16:25:43.766000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:26:11.344000+08:00 |
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所以我再一次強調，也再一次要求跟拜託，桶裝瓦斯是針對第一線物價是不是會通膨的關鍵決勝者，所以一定要在3月底之後再延長，我率先要求再延長一季，因為黃、小、玉也都延長半年，本席就要求你依照現況，條件因子不可抗拒是存在的，所以必須要延長一季。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-03-17T16:26:11.684000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:26:16.445000+08:00 |
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坦白跟委員說，很多委員都向我表達這樣的意思，我請部長好好地去研究看看。 |
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0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-03-17T16:26:16.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-03-17T16:26:19.026000+08:00 |
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好，所以你是同意這個方向嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-03-17T16:26:19.826000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:26:26.529000+08:00 |
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因為剩下兩個禮拜，趕快告訴民眾，讓大家安心，桶裝瓦斯的凍漲再延長一季。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-03-17T16:26:27.189000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-03-17T16:26:37.952000+08:00 |
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中油的部分，我們當然儘量往物價平穩的方向來設計，但是桶裝瓦斯還是有台塑，我們也會跟它協商看看，但是不敢……台塑的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-03-17T16:26:38.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-03-17T16:26:54.866000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好，你先率先採取動作，謝謝，我們的桶裝瓦斯在3月底之後還是凍漲，至少先延到一季的時間，謝謝，讓我們全國民眾都能夠安心，知道政府有在做事情、知道我們是在為民生，這個非常重要，院長，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-03-17T16:26:56.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-03-17T16:26:58.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
很多委員都表達同樣的意見，我們都聽到了。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-03-17T16:26:58.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-03-17T16:27:01.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
好，所以你會朝這個方向，因為剩下兩個禮拜？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-03-17T16:27:03.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-03-17T16:27:05.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，謝謝你的點頭，我謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-03-17T16:27:05.944000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-03-17T16:27:37.937000+08:00 |
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接下來我們來談AI，未來我們有148億的先進研發預算，但如果沒有電就沒有AI了，電是最重要的，我們希望國際的廠如AMD等來臺灣設立研發中心，要推動2奈米以下的製程，這些尖端的研發每一項都是吃電的怪獸，需要很多電力，所以我們要有所準備。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.904 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-03-17T16:27:39.178000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-03-17T16:27:47.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
進一步請教，我們的電力基礎真的可以撐起這樣子高產值跟高耗能的研發夢嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-03-17T16:27:47.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-03-17T16:27:50.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我希望政府要做得到，而且務必要做得到。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-03-17T16:27:51.845000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:04.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
經濟部一邊要推動領航企業研發深耕計畫來輔助外商來臺，非常好，但是另外一方面，又對我們本土產業說電力供應吃緊，所以要漲電價，這樣我們本土傳統產業是受不了的。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:10.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:23.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下，本席要請教，預估148億的投入，你們的KPI指數為何，也就是會有多少企業來進駐？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:23.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:25.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
你有沒有去評估？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:25.558000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:32.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
因為你有一個148億的數字出來，所以部長，你一定有去評估，所以有多少人要進駐？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.781 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:32.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:38.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
你的電力需求到底是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:38.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:43.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
像有的國際大廠都有嚴格RE100（100%綠電）的承諾，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.682 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:43.048000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:45.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
有些企業是有要求RE100…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:45.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-03-17T16:28:54.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下，本席要請教，我們希望企業都能夠進來，但是我方的準備到底是怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-03-17T16:28:54.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-03-17T16:29:02.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
不要因為我們的電力不足而讓人家再轉向，這是本席不希望看到的，請教院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-03-17T16:29:02.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-03-17T16:29:08.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
對，如果是資料中心（data center），當然要有一些算力作為基礎。當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-03-17T16:29:12.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-03-17T16:29:51.746000+08:00 |
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電的發電量供應現在看起來，至少到目前來講是比較沒有……但是電網部分，如果要放在人口比較密集的地方，因為它的算力需要比較大的電量基礎，要蓋比較高壓的電，這樣的話可能就要有些準備時間，所以我們希望如果要蓋算力中心的話，儘早讓我們知道，要準備這些電網，但是我們還是希望如果這些算力中心、電力中心可以比較靠近電廠，我覺得是比較好的方式，不用拉很多電線到人口密集區去。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-03-17T16:29:53.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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2026-03-17T16:30:06.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
部長，你有計畫，但是你的回答不是很成熟，既然每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢，你既然提出了148億，你絕對有你的KPI。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:07.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:16.143000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
院長，要多少廠商進駐、你的電力要多少，你務必一定要有配套，不然你的148億怎麼出來的？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:17.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:21.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
針對這一點，本席具體要求你把它計算好……好。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:22.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:28.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
因為本席不希望人家要來投資，結果說我們電力不足，要轉向轉到日本、轉到新加坡，這不是我們所願的…… |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:28.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:29.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
報告委員，因為這148億是研發的預算…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:28.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:29.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
當然是研發。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:29.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:29.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
是研發的補助。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:35.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:35.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
當然是如此啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:36.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:40.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
不是設data center。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:40.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:46.872000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
部長，你不要內行人說外行話，你們有前頭要去補助這些，你的配套要怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:47.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:54.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
請你詳細把你的規劃，包括剛剛本席特別說的這兩點，請你書面資料給本席。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:54.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-03-17T16:30:55.176000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
可以、可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-03-17T16:30:54.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-03-17T16:31:04.904000+08:00 |
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我們希望臺灣有國際廠能夠進來，這樣子我們臺灣才能越來越進步、跟世界接軌，所以你把書面資料給本席。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-03-17T16:31:05.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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2026-03-17T16:31:22.439000+08:00 |
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接下來本席要跟您討論的是，在我們整個產業研發跟能源供應方面我提出了三點，第一個，研發電力的配套，就是剛剛本席所說的，我希望經濟部可以在一週之內給本席，因為你一定會有它的配套……有。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-03-17T16:31:23.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-03-17T16:31:29.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
也就是目前在AI數據當中，我們預估新增的電力到底是要多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-03-17T16:31:30.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-03-17T16:31:31.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
還有我們對應的區塊，它要怎麼樣穩定地計劃？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-03-17T16:31:35.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-03-17T16:31:47.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
這一點是非常重要，國際廠要進來，人家也要聽到我們到底有沒有這個能耐，我覺得我們要把我們自己的條件告訴人家，然後讓人家可以進來，這一點是非常重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-03-17T16:31:48.043000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:03.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
第二個，綠電優先供應排序，我們知道國際研發中心在綠電的要求，所以我要請教經濟部，你們會不會確保大廠吃飽，而中小企業，尤其我們中部地區……不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:03.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:07.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
我們中小企業會餓死，你這個排擠效應要怎麼安排？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:07.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:17.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
不會，因為我們有區隔開來，台電自己開發的這些綠能電廠，有一部分比例是留給中小企業用的，大企業是不能來…… |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:19.026000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:22.569000+08:00 |
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你要去盤點，因為我們中小企業韌性非常強…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:22.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:23.569000+08:00 |
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有、有，我們有盤點。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:32:22.569000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:32:32.237000+08:00 |
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院長，我們不管怎麼樣還是咬緊牙根撐住，政府必須要有責任、要全力協助他們，不能犧牲這些中小企業。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:32.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:33.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
會、會，中小企業需要綠電，我們會完成。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:32.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:34.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
你要承諾哦！ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:34.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:35.639000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
當然、當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:35.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:38.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
不能犧牲我們的中小企業。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:38.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:39.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我們會供應他們，沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:38.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:39.363000+08:00 |
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承諾，好。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:39.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:50.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
接下來，第三個，韌性電網的部分，就是剛剛本席所說的，智慧電網跟儲能設備、儲能技術有沒有包括在這裡面？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:52.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-03-17T16:32:53.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
這兩項你有沒有包括？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-03-17T16:32:53.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:03.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
如果是大的韌性計畫，10年5,000億那個不是這個計畫，它有點像高速公路直接到工業園區，然後把它跟民生用電區隔開。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.894 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:03.999000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:04.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
你就是沒有嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:05.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:12.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
所以本席告訴你，你應該要運用AI優化我們自己的電力調度韌性。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:14.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:24.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
這個會有，台電已經開始在做了，所以現在它的電源控制室基本上都已經導入AI系統。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:24.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:27.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
你把你們現在預計要怎麼做，請書面資料給本席。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:27.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:28.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
好，已經有了。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:28.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:32.541000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
本席要告訴經濟部，研發經費不是空中樓閣……不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:33.763000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:38.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
本席認為我們也不能只當研發的散財童子…… |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:38.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-03-17T16:33:39.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
不會、不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-03-17T16:33:39.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-03-17T16:34:08.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
因為能源是全世界非常重要的，比照國安議題在運作、在布建、在規劃，所以我們應該要當能源的守門員，怎麼樣去分配我們現有以及預計應該有的這些能源，非常的重要，因為只有解決能源焦慮，我們的產業才能夠真正蓬勃發展，所以針對剛剛以上本席所要的資料，也請在這個時間之內給本席。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.992 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-03-17T16:34:09.214000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-03-17T16:34:29.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
接下來本席要跟院長討論的是，最近你們也提出新核能技術，我覺得非常贊同，因為我們長期在經濟委員會一直討論，你們提出了更務實跟更開放的態度，這是一個正確的方向。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-03-17T16:34:31.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-03-17T16:34:36.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我身為民意代表，在我們產業界最怕的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-03-17T16:34:36.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-03-17T16:34:40.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
他不怕政策的轉向，他最怕的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-03-17T16:34:40.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-03-17T16:34:44.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
他最怕的是電看得到、吃不到，因為這個是源頭。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-03-17T16:34:45.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-03-17T16:34:54.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
所以在這樣的情況之下，工商時報社論也特別說了：停滯性的通膨壓力！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.655 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-03-17T16:34:54.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-03-17T16:34:55.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
不會啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-03-17T16:34:55.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-03-17T16:35:02.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
我們現在物價上漲率還不到2%，剛剛有提到經濟成長可能超過7%。 |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-03-17T16:35:02.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-03-17T16:35:14.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
我也希望如此，但是那些都是在低油價以及平和的立場，部長，你要回答議題的時候，請你要納入我們目前的樣態。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-03-17T16:35:14.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-03-17T16:35:15.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
是，我了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-03-17T16:35:14.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-03-17T16:35:58.782000+08:00 |
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接下來本席要跟你討論的是，停滯性通膨壓力背後反應的是企業界對於穩定且具備有競爭力的電價極度焦慮，所以剛剛本席一直跟院長討論、希望這次電價一定要凍漲的原因，我們也朝著這個方向，所以本席繼續要跟你討論的是，能源轉型如果只有願景，但是如果沒有工程時程表，這個不確定性可以說是經濟最大的緊張跟危險。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-03-17T16:35:58.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-03-17T16:36:01.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
有，所有發電的設計都有一個時程表，我們每一個電廠都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-03-17T16:36:02.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-03-17T16:36:38.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
好，你有時間表，我繼續跟你討論現在的核電廠再利用，核三廠1號機在2024年7月已經停機，2號機在去年2025年5月份停機，根據核能專家評估，核電廠如果可以成功延役，每一度電的成本大概是1.1到1.5塊，遠低於燃氣發電的3.5塊以上，所以院長、部長…… |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.937 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-03-17T16:36:38.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-03-17T16:36:39.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
不過這個應該沒有把核後端的部分算在裡面…… |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-03-17T16:36:39.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-03-17T16:36:51.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
台電預計……我們在經濟委員會一直討論，也一直希望速度加快，院長，台電預計在這個月底要提出再運轉計畫。是的。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-03-17T16:36:52.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-03-17T16:37:09.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
本席請教，在確保安全無虞的情況之下，行政院是不是跟核安會討論過，希望它簡化整個審查行政程序、簡化時間點，有沒有討論過？ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-03-17T16:37:11.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-03-17T16:37:17.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
台電提出再運轉計畫之後，它先前有一個自主安全檢查，這都要經過核安會審定，我跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-03-17T16:37:17.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-03-17T16:37:20.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
對，它就是因為檢查是OK的才會3月底要送嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-03-17T16:37:21.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-03-17T16:37:24.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
所以整個審查程序是不是要討論可以怎麼簡化？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-03-17T16:37:25.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-03-17T16:37:28.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
程序就算再簡化，安全也不能被簡化，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-03-17T16:37:28.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-03-17T16:37:31.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
當然，所以本席第一個議題就是安全無虞，請你聽清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.636 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-03-17T16:37:32.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-03-17T16:37:48.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
所以安全的問題我們就交給核安會，它就是一個獨立機關，讓它從程序問題上全面做安全把關，我們希望台電能做充分準備，提出再運轉計畫或是之前做的自主安全檢查都能夠經得起核安會…… |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-03-17T16:37:48.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:08.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
它依照規矩一定要這麼做才可以送，所以本席的問題就是，我們拜託、再拜託，現在好不容易已經走到這個程序，3月底它要送了，送了之後審查程序、時間是不是可以更簡化？ |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:08.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:08.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
在安全無虞之下…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:08.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:09.812000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
報告委員，那個…… |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:09.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:12.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
因為你也知道那要幾年的時間啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:13.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:23.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
核安會的審查是並行的，再運轉計畫是一部分，自主安全檢查是一部分，自主安全檢查我們會跟原廠西屋公司…… |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:24.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:28.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
自主安全檢查又是另外一個議題，部長，你不要岔開議題，本席請教…… |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:28.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:29.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
這是同樣兩條運作…… |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:29.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:34.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
我們預計什麼時候可以看到核三廠重新併網？ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:35.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:36.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
你們的KPI是什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:36.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:37.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:37.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:39.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
如果在安全無虞的情況之下，你們預計什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:39.880000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-03-17T16:38:52.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
自主安全檢查台電已經跟西屋公司簽訂MOU也開始啟動，但是無論是自主安全檢查或是再運轉計畫，我們也要知道裡面所有需要更換設備的更新、調整都沒有問題，所以時程上…… |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.797 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-03-17T16:38:52.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:24.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
當然，這就是在本席剛才說安全無虞的前提之下，四個字已經告訴你了，「安全無虞」的前提之下，大家好不容易有一個理念都一樣，也就是核三廠要怎麼重新併網，來幫助我們平衡目前結構性的通膨壓力，我想這是一個很重要的里程，我們希望能夠達陣成功。 |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:24.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:25.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
跟委員報告，部長剛剛有講過…… |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:25.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:26.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
現在進入程序…… |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:26.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:34.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
即使我們現在用電並沒有大的疑慮，但是我告訴委員，最不想讓全國缺電的是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:34.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:39.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
是台電，它可以發電一定盡量發電，它一定會照程序…… |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:39.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:46.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
院長，現在你身為行政院院長，你所做的事情不是今天、不是這個月、不是下個月。當然。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:46.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:54.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
你現在告訴我們，你的能源3月無慮、4月也無慮、5月你可以買更高的能源，這是你告訴我們的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:55.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-03-17T16:39:56.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
本席都倒背如流，對不對？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-03-17T16:39:57.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:01.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
不是，你是一個行政院長，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:01.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:03.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
你怎麼可以說我們現在無慮。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:04.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:06.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
我請問你，5月份你買高的、貴的能源會不會漲價？ |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:09.548000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:10.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
我們產業很緊張耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:10.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:14.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
我剛剛是說部長跟大家都說過，我們現在供電是穩定的…… |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:14.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:15.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
對，供電是穩定的。 |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:15.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:16.969000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
但是戰爭的因素我們有去克服。 |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:16.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:19.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
好，你提到的穩定我希望能夠呈現。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:25.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:29.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
昂貴的電價對民眾是不公平的。 |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:29.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:34.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
臺灣電價在亞洲裡算是非常低的。 |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:34.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:36.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
這一句話點出了什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:37.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:42.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
經濟上的能源正義，請你聽清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:43.110000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:46.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
高科技產業有能力去買更貴的電，他們要買多少都可以全部買來，我們現在產業就是如此……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:46.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:47.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
但我們民生電價…… |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:47.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:48.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
可是我們一般的升斗小民沒有辦法去買高的電，所以我一直拜託要凍漲啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0.097 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:48.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-03-17T16:40:49.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
民生電價一度才兩塊多，比成本低很多，在全世界幾乎是最低的。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-03-17T16:40:47.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-03-17T16:41:16.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
我臺中民意代表楊瓊瓔要為臺中說一句話，我必須要加碼提醒我們院長一個沉痛的不公平，也就是健康上的能源正義。 |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0.796 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-03-17T16:41:18.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-03-17T16:41:54.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
所以請經濟部跟台電，如果核三廠運轉併網成功，不管未來我們引進了所謂SMR等小型的都好，來補充我們基載電力，在這樣的情況之下，每增加一度的零碳電力都要優先用來實質除役中火的燃煤機組，給臺中市民一個明確地無煤時刻表，請教院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-03-17T16:41:57.602000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-03-17T16:42:13.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
有關臺中火力發電廠，我們曾經跟台電到現場看過，也開過很多次會議，採建一拆一的方式，它的目標是在2034年，我希望它能提前到2032年就能夠做有效的管制。 |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-03-17T16:42:14.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-03-17T16:42:24.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
目前希望新的燃氣機組工程能夠順利進行，這也需要臺中市政府跟各位民意代表共同來支持台電。 |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-03-17T16:42:24.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-03-17T16:42:42.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
現在進行式ing當中，所以本席要請教，在核三廠運轉之後，因為你曾經說過，如果電力不夠要啟動燃煤機組，我們很緊張，所以為了我們整個健康上的能源正義，我要發聲！ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-03-17T16:42:43.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-03-17T16:42:43.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
我請教…… |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-03-17T16:42:43.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-03-17T16:42:44.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
現在都是按照原來的規劃…… |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.091 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-03-17T16:42:44.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-03-17T16:42:45.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
你不用急著回答，我會告訴你原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0.071 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-03-17T16:42:45.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:07.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
院長，未來充分基載電力是夠的且在執行的時候，你增加的每一度零碳電力要優先用在實質除役燃煤機組。 |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:07.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:09.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
院長，你可以承諾嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:12.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:16.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
關於備用燃煤機組重新啟動，那是一個最終且不得已的手段。 |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0.68 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:16.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:17.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
對，我們最先淘汰的確就是燃煤機組。 |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:17.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:27.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].text |
院長，我聽到你講的，我真的……請你針對本席的提問，因為我們很緊張，你說：如果不夠，我一定火力全開的燒下去。 |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:28.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:30.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].text |
我們很緊張，我們的健康耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:30.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:31.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].text |
沒有講過這樣的話。 |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:31.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:33.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
所以我才會跟你講一個原則問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:33.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:34.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].text |
就算是…… |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:33.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:38.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
院長，請你聽清楚，本席沒有跟你討論這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:38.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-03-17T16:43:56.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].text |
如果在核三廠的基載電力開始運轉之後，當具備淨零碳排及零碳電力的時候，你應該優先汰舊燃煤機組，這個原則你可以答應啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.774 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-03-17T16:43:58.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:01.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
這才是真正照顧我們健康的能源正義。 |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:02.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:12.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
各個電廠燃煤機組的拆除或是汰舊都會按照原來的時程，我們儘量把它提前，但不是突然間要全部把所有燃煤機組都拆掉。 |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:12.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:14.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
院長，你講這個是不成熟的回答，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:14.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:15.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
用煤量也會降下來啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:15.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:19.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
因為你之前沒有核三廠的問題，本席已經告訴你…… |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0.55 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:19.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:20.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
所以用煤量會降下來。 |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:22.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:23.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
我在請教院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:23.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:24.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
核三廠何時要重啟？ |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:23.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:28.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
本席要告訴你的是一個原則的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:28.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:31.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
委員，核三廠哪一天可以重啟、重新再運轉？ |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:31.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:33.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].text |
這都是一個尚未知的日子，我不能…… |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:34.374000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:35.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
這不是尚未知的問題喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:35.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:36.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
我不能在這裡跟你劃一個大餅！ |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[205].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[205].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:36.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[205].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:42.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[205].text |
院長，本席沒有要求你承諾什麼時候、什麼時間點喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[205].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[206].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[206].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:42.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[206].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:48.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[206].text |
本席是說如果我們現在好不容易已經朝著這個軌道在走了，我們希望能夠成功嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[206].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[207].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[207].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:49.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[207].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:50.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[207].text |
成功之後你應該應許這一些的…… |
| transcript.gazette[207].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[208].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[208].start |
2026-03-17T16:44:51.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[208].end |
2026-03-17T16:44:59.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[208].text |
我可以同意委員，包括台中火力發電廠在內，所有的燃煤機組我們按計畫來把它拆除，如果我們有新的…… |
| transcript.gazette[208].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[209].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[209].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:00.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[209].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:04.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[209].text |
按計畫拆除是現在已經計畫，但是加註其他的因子，你必須要調整嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[209].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[210].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[210].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:05.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[210].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:10.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[210].text |
還有一句話，如果我們有新的能源供應的時候，我們當然會調整計畫，可以往前推。 |
| transcript.gazette[210].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[211].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[211].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:12.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[211].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:14.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[211].text |
OK，就是實質除役中火的燃煤機組，甚至其他的燃煤機組，我們要全國都健康嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[211].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[212].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[212].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:15.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[212].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:26.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[212].text |
如果有充裕的其他新計畫的時候，有其他新的能源供應的時候，我們當然有能力來調整這個計畫，現在我不能說我會調整到什麼時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[212].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[213].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[213].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:27.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[213].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:31.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[213].text |
有能力來調整這個計畫，也就是同意優先來汰除燃煤機組。 |
| transcript.gazette[213].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[214].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[214].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:33.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[214].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:36.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[214].text |
像我到臺中去，他說2034，我就希望他調到2032，這個是我們可以做得到的，要儘量完成目標。 |
| transcript.gazette[214].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[215].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[215].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:38.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[215].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:39.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[215].text |
2032還不夠，你還可以再提早啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[215].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[216].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[216].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:39.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[216].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:47.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[216].text |
因為我們現在全力支持燃氣，燃氣現在進度超前，這個部分一分一秒、每一個我們都在監督，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[216].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[217].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[217].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:47.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[217].end |
2026-03-17T16:45:58.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[217].text |
這是我們中部地區健康的問題，我也要謝謝你同意，也就是說，我們增加每一度零碳電力的話，優先來汰除…… |
| transcript.gazette[217].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[218].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[218].start |
2026-03-17T16:45:58.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[218].end |
2026-03-17T16:46:00.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[218].text |
會減煤、會降煤。 |
| transcript.gazette[218].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[219].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[219].start |
2026-03-17T16:46:00.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[219].end |
2026-03-17T16:46:03.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[219].text |
優先來汰除燃煤機組、中火的燃煤機組。 |
| transcript.gazette[219].quality |
0.375 |
| transcript.gazette[220].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[220].start |
2026-03-17T16:46:03.015000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[220].end |
2026-03-17T16:46:05.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[220].text |
部長，你剛才說什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[220].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[221].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[221].start |
2026-03-17T16:46:05.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[221].end |
2026-03-17T16:46:08.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[221].text |
會減煤、降煤。 |
| transcript.gazette[221].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[222].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
| transcript.gazette[222].start |
2026-03-17T16:46:08.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[222].end |
2026-03-17T16:46:13.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[222].text |
會減煤、降煤，而且速度要比現在還要快，這才是重點。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[223].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-03-17T16:46:13.357000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[223].end |
2026-03-17T16:46:14.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[223].text |
如果有餘力的話，當然，沒有問題。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[224].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:46:13.357000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:46:40.378000+08:00 |
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所以我最後要告訴院長，我們不能接受電費漲了、剝奪我們的荷包，但是空污卻沒有少而剝奪我們的健康，我們中部地區非常的希望電網更新跟空污防制要並行，因為這攸關了每一位在臺中的母親關心他的孩子的呼吸權！ |
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0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[225].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-03-17T16:46:40.378000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[225].end |
2026-03-17T16:46:41.698000+08:00 |
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有，每一年都有改善。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[226].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:46:42.299000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:46:52.786000+08:00 |
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呼吸權非常的重要，所以我要告訴你，顧經濟不能犧牲好空氣，而且拼淨零也不能剝奪我們的老百姓。 |
| transcript.gazette[226].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[227].speaker |
楊委員瓊瓔 |
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2026-03-17T16:46:53.347000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:07.278000+08:00 |
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我希望剛剛我們共同討論的，也就是汰除中火的燃煤機組在淨零電的這個部分可以優先來處理，我們要謝謝而且要執行。 |
| transcript.gazette[227].quality |
0.74 |
| transcript.gazette[228].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:07.278000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:08.278000+08:00 |
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我們會努力的，謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[229].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:07.278000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:12.642000+08:00 |
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謝謝楊瓊瓔委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[229].quality |
0.72 |
| transcript.gazette[230].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:13.203000+08:00 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:14.704000+08:00 |
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報告院會，本日排定的質詢委員均已經質詢完畢，謝謝卓院長、鄭副院長、各位列席的部會首長。 |
| transcript.gazette[230].quality |
0.526 |
| transcript.gazette[231].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:15.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:20.918286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[231].text |
下次會議繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[231].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[232].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[232].start |
2026-03-17T16:47:21.218286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[232].end |
2026-03-17T16:47:27.218286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[232].text |
再次謝謝柯志恩委員陪我們一起參與施政總質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[232].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[233].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[233].start |
2026-03-17T16:47:27.518286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].guessed |
1 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:28.661143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[233].text |
現在散會。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[234].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-03-17T16:47:28.961143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[234].end |
2026-03-17T16:47:30.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[234].text |
散會（16時47分） |
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0 |