| IVOD_ID |
167545 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167545 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-17T16:16:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-17T16:47:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/db16565270cbdf6abb55070fd1931281ca161dbbeb97b176ca0420d111ec7c0abe38506e5337c7fe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:16:25 - 16:47:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第3次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本院秉持國家安全優先、強力捍衛領土完整之原則，若美方發價書明文公布之拖式、標槍飛彈續購及M109A7自走砲等三項對美軍購案簽約期程屆至之前尚未完成相關預算之審議，茲授權行政院先行與美方簽署發價書（LOA），以保障國家戰略利益。行政院應於簽署後即刻向立法院提出完整相關武器交貨期程報告，回歸審議常軌，履行行政院於預算編列前後完整說明之義務，不得再以『國家安全』為名，規避民主審議與理性監督。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。（3月13日）二、同意權之行使事項：本院內政、司法及法制兩委員會報告審查行政院函送中央選舉委員會委員提名名單，游盈隆為委員並為主任委員，胡博硯為委員並為副主任委員，黃文玲、李禮仲、蘇嘉宏、蘇子喬及陳宗義均為委員，請同意案。（3月13日）三、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（3月17日）四、3月13日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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接下來我們今天最後一位質詢為楊瓊瑩委員請質詢謝謝院委主席韓院長我們行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊各位同任新聞界的朋友楊瓊瑩發言首先邀請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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主計總署在2月份公佈了最新的經濟預測將今年的經濟成長由原先的3.5%大幅提升了4.17%公佈的答案是7.71% |
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那隨著中東的戰事升溫國際油價劇烈的波動石油下游的這個石化業下游的原物料比如說PE PPC這些的成本上升那一開始會衝擊到什麼呢 |
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基本的在市場上的手搖飲網購的包材等這是實際上民生最直接影響到的物價那我看到在我們的經濟部你們現在目前的方向基礎是建立在穩定通膨的假設上以這個基礎 |
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但是如果油價每漲10%那我們的GPI就會提升大概是0.20%在這樣的情況之下對於穩定物價小組的具體應變措施以及針對我們整個中小企業 |
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所做到的這個衝擊我們的協助方案協助預算那我看到目前我們有大方向但細節的部分還沒有也就是我們缺乏了壓力測試的一個配套措施所以在這邊我們只要請教也就是說如果我們7.7%我們建立的是在和平跟低油價的這個假設上 |
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但是一旦现在我们看到很多的不确定性战火延烧不知道到什么时候的这个情况之下产业的扶植是我们在基层上面非常关注的一个焦点所以怎么样能够帮助在因为战争原有调整包括了包产 |
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油耗成本來提升那這些的微型的企業我們要怎麼樣去協助他所以本席首先要請教也就是我們最近要召開的這個電價審議委員會最近要召開 |
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那經濟成本經濟成長如果依照我們二月份所宣布的當然這個方向是在和平低優價的情況但是我們現在面臨到的是不一樣的這個情況所以在通膨跟戰爭物價波動這個我們看到是有這個影像已經在提升那所以本期要請教短期內 |
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是不是應該電價要動漲來協助我們這些產業請教尤其是微型電也微型的這個產業請教院長 |
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好,謝謝楊委員,國際情勢持續緊張,可能還要持續一個相當的時段,那麼國際情勢所造成的經濟的變化因素,我們最怕的是什麼?最怕就是我們這個因素掌握不清楚,如果是因為戰爭單一的因素,我們是可以看到這個可能的影響,我們可以做很多的分析的,目前就是這個狀況。 |
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所以針對能源你看從由的上禮拜到這個禮拜政府採取雙平反的方式也啟動了專案的平反方式讓它能夠由政府來吸收為的也就是讓民生能夠穩定下來這個回答非常好大宗物資我們把它延長延長貨稅的時間把它延長讓大家能夠進口的 |
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接近我們的關稅能夠穩定下來這個我們要把它延長時間到9月所以種種的措施做下來我們期待在這個期段當中就能夠看到國際形勢改變我們就有能力來調整那目前主計總數所預計的這個數字當然是一個目標本來就是一個很高的目標那現在這個變化還在進行當中我們是極力在這個目標底下用盡所有的方法來穩定民生來穩定物價 |
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來因應國際情勢至於您說的電價因為一直是電價的這個審議委員會在主導在決定我們只希望他能看到目前社會的現象國際的局勢能夠跟政府採取這樣的一個立場由電價審議委員會來做最終的討論 |
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非常謝謝院長你的回答你說希望電價選議委員會朝著政府現在所做的黃小玉的部分我們原本是到三月底的減稅那現在已經延長半年也就是九月那換句話說政府有看到我們不知道國際情勢的變化而且是非常的嚴峻持續的嚴峻所以在這樣的情況之下本席還是回歸到我們的電的問題因為產業需要電 |
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民生也需要電小吃店也需要電我們雅琪亞也需要電在這樣的情況之下本席再一次的請教因為電是一個根本產業最重要的必要條件的根本因子所以在這樣的情況之下您剛才所說的本席都非常的贊成因為你知道 |
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我們面對到國際的情勢勢必一定會受到波及物價如果我們政府沒有控管的時候沒有協助的時候那一定會通膨所以再一次請教剛剛你回答很好說希望水利委員會跟你的立場是一樣也就是協助也就是動長是不是如此 |
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我們希望以民生穩定來跟全國的人民來度過現在這個狀況那電價審議委員會都是這方面的專家我們通常是不去做任何指導性講話等等在希望他們能夠看到這個現象我認為他們的關心跟我們的關心應該會是一致的 |
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所以一致的你的立場也希望在這個時間點應該是要動漲讓我們的民生絕對物價不可以再同盤是不是如此朝這個方向這是行政院現在在說所有穩定物價最高的原則最高的原則也就是在目前大家看到這個議題也這個現象要協助要穩定物價所以這一次的電價一定要動漲朝這個方向是嗎 |
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最後的結論還是有電價審理委員會來表達所以在行政院長你高度的這個立場裡頭這個方向也就是要平穩物價嘛是不是對平穩物價對所以首先就是要動長我們的電價是嗎這兩個字我不宜在這裡講 |
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不可以在這邊講 但是你的方向是如此 是不是你不能做決定 但是你可以有一個方向我當然希望國人的生活都能在這個時間點能夠比較平穩安定的度過平穩安定就是動場我希望沈議員會聽到統裝瓦斯的部分 |
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當時我們一直喊統裝瓦斯是民生第一線所以我也要謝謝也就是現在是到三月底統裝瓦斯動長是到三月底請教今天已經三月十七號現在兩個禮拜的時間就要到了剛剛我們首先講的連電我們都要動長平穩物價那請教我請求也就是問我們的民生來請求也就是這個統裝瓦斯我務必一定要再延 |
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請教院長大原則也是如此剛剛說的如此我們一方面要觀察整個國際局勢的變化我們現在宣布的我們之前要求的也就是你們宣布的是三月底統中網是動場會不會再延長動場到下一季一方面要再觀察國際局勢的變化但是我們秉持的原則是一樣的 |
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品質的原則是一樣難得的一樣非常好都是為民生所以因此也就是在我們的統裝瓦斯的部分因為剛剛你已經說到國際情勢的一個嚴峻而不可抗拒的一個形態所以如果這一些的形態持續在增加的時候院長 |
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是不是我們的桶莊瓦斯是在每一個家庭都需要用到在小吃店都需要用到的這是直接決定要不要通漲要不要通本的一個問題那是不是我們應當3月底之後桶莊瓦斯仍舊再研一季請教 |
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如果說國際局勢持續的緊張但我們一方面也要考慮到中油在這一兩週之內已經吸收了很大的財務的負擔我們要考慮到未來財務負擔如何但這個還是要擺在民生經濟安定之後的考量先考慮社會謝謝你一句民生安定也就是我們行政院的物價平穩的這個小組裡頭的最重要的精髓 |
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所以我再一次強調也再一次要求跟拜託統裝瓦斯是針對第一線物價是不是會通盤的關鍵決勝者所以一定要在三月底之後再延長我現在首先率先要求再延長一季 |
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因為你的黃小玉都延長半年本席就要求你依照現況依照現況條件因子不可抗拒是存在的所以必須要延長一季坦白跟委員說很多委員都向我表達這樣的意思我請部長好好的去研究好 所以你是同意這個方向嗎我們希望因為剩下兩個禮拜趕快告訴我們民眾讓大家的安心 |
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統裝瓦斯的動漲再延長一季中油的部分我們當然盡量往物價平穩的方向來設計但是統裝瓦斯還是有台塑我們也跟他來做協商看看但是不敢台塑的部分你率先動作來做我謝謝我們的統裝瓦斯在三月底之後還是動漲至少先延到一季的時間 |
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謝謝 讓我們全國的民眾都能安心知道政府有在做事情知道我們是在為民生這個非常重要 院長是不是很多委員都表達同樣的意見 我們都聽到了好 所以你會朝這個方向因為剩下兩個禮拜 |
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好 謝謝你的點頭我謝謝你接下來我們來談AI148億的先進研發預算裡頭如果沒有電就沒有AI了電是最重要的是最重要的所以我們希望來台灣國際的廠來台灣設立AMD等來台灣設立研發中心要推動的2奈米以下的製程 |
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那這些尖端的研發每一項都是吃電的怪獸它電力要很多所以我們要有所做準備所以經濟部的要請教我們的電力基礎真的可以撐起這樣子的一個高產值跟高後能的研發夢嗎我希望政府要做得到而且務必要做得到 |
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經濟部一邊要推動的這個領航企業的深耕計畫來輔助外面的這個外商來談 非常好但是另外一方面又要對我們本土的這個產業說電力供應吃緊 說要漲電價這個我們本土的傳統產業是受不了的 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教我們預估的148億的投入你們的KPI指數也就是會有多少的企業界會來進駐那你有沒有去評估因為你有一個數字148億出來了 部長 |
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所以你一定有評估有多少人要進駐有多少人要進駐你的需求量的電力的需求到底是什麼國際廠國際廠都有嚴格的百分之百的RE他們的一個承諾對不對RE100的承諾喔綠電100所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教我們要考慮我們希望都能夠進來但是我方的準備到底是怎麼樣不要因為我們的電力不足而讓人家再轉向 |
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這是北極不希望看到的請教院長對如果是資料資料中心Data Center的話那當然要有一些算力作為基礎當然那我們當然是希望就是說電的發電量供應現在看起來至少到目前來講是比較沒有但是電網的部分因為他很多如果你要放在比較人口的密集的地方因為他的這個算力需要比較大的這個電量基礎要到 |
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要蓋比較那個高壓的這個電那這樣的話可能就要一些準備時間所以我們希望說你如果要蓋算力中心的話儘早讓我們知道那要準備這些電網那但是我們還是希望說如果這些算力中心電力中心可以比較靠近電廠的話我覺得那個是比較好的一個方式不用拉很多的電線到比較人口密集區去 |
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副長 你有計畫但是你的回答不是很成熟因為你既然每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢你既然有提出了一個148億你絕對有你的KPI 院長要多少廠商進駐你的電力要多少你這個務必一定要有配套不然你的148億怎麼出來的所以針對這一點 |
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本期具體要求你把它計算好因為本期不希望人家來投資結果說我們的電力不足要轉向轉到日本轉到新加坡這不是我們所願的當然是研發是研發的補助 |
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當然是不是設那個電腦Center不對,你不要內行的公關,有的啦你們有這個前途要去補助這些,你的配套要怎麼做請你詳細把你的規劃,剛才本席特別說的這兩點請你書面資料給本席我們希望能夠台灣由國際的廠能夠進來 |
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這樣子才是我們台灣越來越進步跟世界接軌所以你把書面資料給本席接下來本席要跟您討論的是在我們整個產業研發跟能源供應的方面我提出了三點第一個你研發電力的一個配套剛剛本席所說的 |
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我希望你一周之內經濟部你可以給本席因為你一定會有他的配套也就是目前我們預估在AI數據當中我們預估的新增的電力到底是要多少還有我們對應的這個區塊他要怎麼樣穩定的計畫 |
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這一點是非常重要國際的場合要進來人家也要聽到我們到底有沒有這個能耐我覺得我們要自己把我們自己的條件告訴人家然後讓人家可以進來這一點是非常重要第二個綠電優先供應的這個排序 |
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我們知道國際的研發中心他在綠電的要求那麼所以我要請教經濟部你會不會確保大廠吃飽我中小企業尤其我們中部地區我中小企業為了餓死你這個排擠效應要怎麼安排不會因為我們有區隔開來就是台電自己開發的這些電廠就是綠能電廠是有一部分的比例是留給中小企業用的 |
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你要去盤點因為我們中小企業嫩性非常強院長我們不管怎麼樣我們還是咬緊牙根撐住所以政府必須要責任要全力協助他們不能犧牲這些中小企業你要承諾喔 不能犧牲我們的中小企業承諾好 接下來第三個嫩性電網的這個部分就剛剛本席所說的 |
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你們在這個部分你的智慧電網跟存能設備存能技術有沒有包括在這裡面這兩項你有沒有包括如果是大的韌性計畫十年五千億那個不是這個計畫它是一個比較有點像高速公路直接到工業園區然後跟民生用電把它去開所以你就是沒有嘛所以本席告訴你你應該要運用AI來優化我們自己的電力調度的韌性 |
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這個會有啊 台電已經開始在做了所以它的電源現在的控制就是它的控制室基本上都已經導入AI的系統你們現在預計要怎麼做請順便資料給本席本來要告訴經濟部的也就是研發的經費它不是空中羅格 |
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本席認為我們也不能只有當一個研發的這個善台同志因為能源是全世界非常重要比照國安的議題在運作、在布建、在規劃所以我們應該要當能源的這個守門員 |
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能源的守門員怎麼樣去分配我們現有以及預計應該有的這些能源非常的重要因為只有解決能源的焦慮我們的產業才能夠真正的蓬勃發展所以針對剛剛以上本席所要的資料也請在這個時間之內給本席接下來本席要跟你院長討論的也就是最近 |
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你們也提出了這個新核能技術我覺得我非常的贊同因為我們長期在經濟委員會我們一直在討論一直在討論那提出了你們提出了更務實跟更開放的這個態度呢這是一個正確的方向是一個正確的方向我當然當過這個民意代表在我們的產業界最怕的是什麼他不怕的是政策的轉向他最怕的是什麼他最怕的是電看得到吃不到 |
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因为这个是源头所以在这样的情况之下工商时报他也特别说了他特别说了社论他说停滞性的通膨压力 |
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停滯性的通本壓力不會啦我們現在的物價上漲率還不到2%然後經濟的成長剛剛提到可能超過7%我也希望是如此但是那一些都是在低油價以及和平平和的立場所以部長你要回答議題的時候請你要 |
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要納入我們目前的樣態接下來本期要跟您討論的是因為停滯性的通膨的壓力它背後反映的是企業界對於穩定且具備有競爭力的電價它是極度的焦慮所以剛剛本期才一直跟院長在討論希望這一次的電價一定要動漲的這個原因我們也朝著這個方向 |
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所以本期繼續要跟你討論也就是說我們能源轉型如果它只有一個願景但是它沒有工程時程表如果沒有工程時程表那這個不確定性可以說是經濟最大的一個緊張跟危險所有的發電的設計都有一個時程表 |
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好 所以你有一個時間表我繼續跟你討論我們現在的核電廠在利用核三廠一號機是在2020年的7月已經這個停機二號機是在去年2025年5月份的停機那麼根據核能的專家他去評估核電廠如果可以成功的研議他每一度的電成本大概是1.1到1.5塊 |
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比遠低於燃氣發電的多少 3.5塊以上喔 還以上 燃氣以上所以院長台電預計 我們在經濟委員會一直討論也一直希望速度加快院長 |
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1244.352 |
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台電預計在這個月底在這個月底他要提出了再運轉計畫他要提出再運轉計畫所以本行要請教在確保安全無虞的這個情況之下那麼行政院你是不是跟何恩惠有做過討論希望他在整個簡化行政程序審查的這個程序簡化這個時間點有沒有討論過 |
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台電提出再一轉計畫之後他已經先前有一個自主安全檢查這個都要經過核安會的審定但是因為檢查是OK的才會在3月底要送嘛所以你整個的審查程序是不是要調整可以怎麼樣去簡化程序就算再簡化安全也不能被檢查所以本期第一個議題就是安全無虞所以安全的問題我們就交給核安會他就是一個獨立的機關讓他從程序問題上 |
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全面做安全的把關那這個我們是希望台電能夠做充分的準備提出的再運轉計畫或是之前做的自主安全檢查都能夠經得起 |
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1329.13 |
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在安全無虞的時間 因為你也知道那要幾年的時間嘛河岸為了審查它是並行的再運轉計畫是一部分還有我們的自主安全檢查是一部分那自主安全檢查我們會跟原廠 西屋公司自主安全檢查又是另外一個議題 部長你不要岔開議題所以本席請教 我們預計什麼時候可以看到河山廠重新併網 |
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1347.696 |
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你們在KPI是什麼時候?在安全無慮的這個情況之下你預計在什麼時候?台電已經跟CU公司簽訂MOU也開始啟動但是無論是自主安全檢查或是再運轉計畫我們也要知道說它裡面所有需要更換的設備更新調整都能夠沒有問題這個當然 |
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這個就是在本席剛剛一提出的安全無虞的前提之下四個字已經告訴你了安全無虞的前提之下所以本席也希望我們大家好不容易有一個理念這個都一樣也就是 |
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1389.917 |
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這個河山廠的這個部分要怎麼樣重新能夠去併網然後來幫助我們平衡目前的這個結構性的通膨壓力我想這個是一個很重要的一個里程我們希望能夠達成成功部長剛剛有講過了即使我們現在對於現在的用電並沒有大的疑慮但是我告訴委員最不想讓全國缺電的是誰是台電 |
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1415.03 |
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他可以發電他一定會照程序院長現在你身為一個院長行政院你所做的事情不是今天不是這個月不是下個月你可以告訴我們的你的能源三月無綠四月也無綠五月你可以買更高的櫃更高的能源這是你告訴我們的本席倒備如流你不是你是一個行政院長 |
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1416.651 |
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1421.918 |
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對不對 你怎麼可以說我現在無率我請問你五月份你買高的貴的這個能源會不會漲價 |
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1424.548 |
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1444.212 |
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我們產業很緊張耶我剛剛是說部長跟大家都說過我們現在供電是穩定的所以你這個穩定我希望能夠呈現接下來我請教院長跟部長童子賢董事長他之前公開的呼籲了他說昂貴的電價對民眾是不公平的 |
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1446.853 |
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1461.555 |
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昂貴的電價對我們都是不公平的這一句話點出了什麼呢經濟上的能源正義經濟上的能源正義請你聽清楚高科技產業他有能力去買更貴他多少都可以全部買來 |
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1466.879 |
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所以我要為台中說一句話台中的民意代表楊瓊怡我必須要加碼的提醒我們的院長一個沉痛的不公平 |
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也就是健康上的能源正義健康上的能源正義所以請經濟部跟台電如果我們的河山廠運轉並往成功不管是未來我們引進了所謂的SMR說小型的那都好就是來補充我們的機載電力在這樣的一個情況之下 每增加一度的 |
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1529.72 |
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零碳電力都要優先來用來實質處理中國的藍美支柱給台中市民一個明確的五美的時刻表請在院長 |
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1550.193 |
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在台中火力發電廠我們曾經跟台電到現場看過也看過很多次會建一拆一的方式他的目標是在2034年那我希望他提前到2032年就能夠做有效的管制那目前希望他 |
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1565.863 |
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也新的燃氣機組的工程能夠順利進行這個也需要台中市政府跟各位民意代表共同來支持台電現在進行是ING當中所以本席要請教也就是核商場運轉之後因為您有曾經說過如果電力不夠要啟動燃煤機組我們很緊張 |
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1584.453 |
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所以我要為了我們整個健康上的能源正義我要發聲所以我請教也就是說你未來你充分的這個這個積載電力是夠的的時候是在執行的時候你增加的每一度 |
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零碳電力 你要優先優先來用在實質廚藝 藍美機組院長你可以承諾嗎是 藍美機組重新備用的啟動用它是一個最終的不得已的手段我們最先淘汰的的確都是藍美機組院長我聽到你這個我真的請你針對本席的提問因為我們就是很緊張你說如果不夠我一定把你火力全開你燒下去 |
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我們很緊張我們的健康所以我才會跟你講一個原則問題院長你請聽清楚本期沒有跟你討論這個問題也就是如果你在河山廠之後你的電力機載它開始運轉的時候你每一個淨零碳排的零碳電力的時候那你應該把這些優先來太救燃煤機組這個原則你可以答應啊 |
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這個才是真正照顧我們的健康的能源正義啊各個電廠燃煤機組的拆除或是太久都會按照原來的時程我們盡量把它提前但是不是突然間要全部把燃煤機組都把它拆掉你講這個不成熟的回答因為你之前沒有河山廠的問題所以用煤量會降下來 |
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1677.45 |
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1705.06 |
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我在請教院長所以我本席告訴你的是一個原則的問題對 何山長哪一天可以重啟重新再運轉這都是一個尚未知的日子不是尚未知的問題喔我不能在這裡跟妳話一個院長 院長本席沒有跟你承諾沒有要求你承諾什麼時候回答喔什麼時間點喔本席是說如果我們現在好不容易已經朝著這個軌道在走了嘛我們希望能夠成功嘛那成功之後你應該應許 |
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我們同意委員就是所有包括台中火力發電廠在內燃煤機組我們按計畫來把它拆除按計畫拆除是現在的計畫但是加注其他的因素你必須要調整嘛如果我們有新的能源供應的時候我們當然會調整計畫可以往前推就是實質廚藝中火的燃煤機組 |
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如果有充裕的其他新的計畫的時候有其他新的能源供應的時候我們當然有能力來調整這個計畫那現在我不能說我會調整到什麼時候有能力來調整這個計畫也就是同意優先來拆除產業基礎我就希望他調到2032這個是我們可以做得到的 |
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你還可以再提早啦因為我們現在全力支持這個燃氣燃氣現在進度超前嘛這個我們一分一秒每一個我們都在監督啦對不對就是我們中部地區健康的問題啊我也要謝謝你啦同意也就是說我們每增加的每一度這個零碳的電力你優先來汰除這個優先來汰除這個這個南美的基礎中國的南美基礎 |
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會減煤降煤而且你速度要比現在還要快這才是重點所以我就要告訴院長我們不能接受說你電費漲了那剝奪我們的荷包但是空屋卻沒有少 剝奪我們的健康這是我在我們中部地區裡頭我們非常的希望你的 |
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1823.003 |
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電網更新跟空屋的一個房子你要並行因為這攸關了每一位在台中的母親她關心的她的孩子的一個呼吸權每一年都有改善的一個呼吸權這個非常的重要所以我要告訴你說高經濟不能犧牲好空氣 |
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而且呢拼金鈴你也不能剝奪我們的老百姓我希望剛剛我們共同所討論的也就是太除中火的藍莓基礎在金鈴店的這個部分可以優先來處理我們要謝謝楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝卓院長相關部會所長貝馨謝謝不然我們本日排定的質詢委員已經質詢完畢謝謝卓院長 |