| IVOD_ID |
167525 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167525 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T12:03:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T12:13:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f662d20b509644362b9845512775efda37fe91a9b467d8c7ca1027fd842694b5725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:03:02 - 12:13:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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主計總署公布115年度共同性費用編列基準表 |
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國內的所有的公共工程有一個編列預算的基準表公共工程的這個部分那離島地區的部分是跟這個表格裡面說明離島地區的部分是按照左列基準就是按照台灣島的這個基準增加百分之三十範圍內編列 對吧是三成夠嗎 |
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這是我們依照工程會他的一個標準來做編列三層是怎麼列出來的這個要問工程會因為我們是所有的標準都是依照工程會他給我們我要講幾個例子這個當然已經完工的金門大小就先不說已經招標很多很多次那就先不說那比較大的建設 |
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只要本島跟離島有很大的差別材料 運輸成本金門島沒有產任何東西任何的建物 鋼筋 水泥 建材任何東西都要從台灣運過去不管它是海運或是空運那經過裝卸兩次的裝卸從本島的裝船離島的碼頭卸船然後入運每一道都是成本 |
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那中間還有損耗 這個沒有疑問嘛損耗 還有很多損耗 沿害啊 各方面啦那觀光這些事實上已經耗盡了這個整個30%的額度這個還不算人工 還不算人工齁你看齁 這個 |
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我們知道說你們怎麼算出來你們的依據你不知道你們依據怎麼算你說是工程會但是我們有請教過了你們是哪比如說去年七月間公共工程委員會所做的一百一十五年度工程費用 |
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編列基準表的一般房屋建築費及辦公室翻修費調整的建議報告來說明所以按照你們你們是收集以前的這個例子說以前的這個招標的這個答案所以這個整個造價漲幅大概是增加了9.43%到27.86%所以你們建議還是維持離島加計30%的幅度對吧 |
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所以我們找到的這個相關資料你們是按照說已經得標了算一算說跟這個計算的這個結果大概多了9%到大概27%所以你們還是覺得應該只建議還是加這個30%的幅度因為主計這邊是要編那個相關的預算一個標準嘛但是你們找到的都是已經得標然後後面動工的這個案子那大家也知道說現在 |
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如果一旦只標不出去 留標 再留標隨著時間的這個 尤其現在大家都在討論這個通膨所以時間過去 越晚標出去 成本事實上 |
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會越來越高嘛是不是越來越高嘛所以今天標跟明年標這個成本整個不一樣但是你們在編列預算的時候常常會尤其離島地區我就舉一個例子給你聽你看我們金門的這個醫院的長照這個機構 |
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這個常識機構當初我那時候在衛航委員會我爭取八千一百萬後來從開始爭取到核定這樣過了一年兩年以後開始要標的時候發現八千一百萬完全不夠用所以讓衛部也編了一億多然後就開始招標你看他第一次招標是什麼時候 |
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110 你看一下這個表格上面有114年的3月6號今天是115年3月份3月18號你看你看到無法決標總共有幾次 |
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一二三四五六七這個去年111年八九十這個七次來一次更正公告那不算好了七次再加上115年一二三四到現在為止已經留標11次了還沒有標出去 |
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我只是舉這個案子當作一個例子而已他標啦 我知道主席是不是說要標什麼大概三次以後 沒有絕標沒有絕標以後要重新調整嘛 對不對然後再標 又三次以後沒有 再重新調整 再標 再調調調因為你們有一個30%這個嘛 |
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所以到現在為止十幾次都沒有辦法決標啊離島的工作第一個當然它的成本物料成本就比較高嘛第二個還有一個很大的問題很多人不願意到離島去這個做工啦那個做工的人不容易找到在本島比較容易找到那加上大家知道現在台積電到處在現金搶工人在本島本來就有很好的這個價錢來找這些工人所以 |
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除了要離鄉背井以外專業人士不管是哪一類模板鋼筋各類的專業設計各方面人才找不到人以外那錢如果又沒有比台積電要發現金你根本所有案子都標不出去這不是唯一的案子這是很多很多的案子我們現在很多工程都標不出去就爭取多少預算也沒有用 |
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最終仍然還是價錢不好那當你價錢不好你現在標三次流標再三次流標這樣整整光這個招標就招標了一年了從114年的3月6號到現在已經100今天已經是3月10幾號了已經整整招標一年都標不出去了你們已經調整三次價錢都招標不出去了所以你們不覺得你們應該想一下為什麼會這樣子嗎真的沒有人要做就是因為價錢不好嘛主委長 |
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我不是針對他的案子啦齁我真的是一個整體的這個情形因為這個不是唯一的案子啊基本現在很多的重大工程都找不到人做啊價錢賣嘛本島如果可以做沒有人要到里島去做啊那我們當地也沒那麼多工人那我們的確有這些需求嘛不然當然還有其他港部建設啊各方各面都一樣現在所有的案子都面臨這個情形啊一標標一年然後成本又變更高一年後標不出去成本又更高永遠標不出去啊 |
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所以旅遊票就變成一個常態啊還有大家也知道你們編例預算你們都會先仿那個民間一些價錢嘛對不對你們會有做一些仿價一些動作對但你們仿價都是落後的啊你們那個仿價的在達到答案在出來的時候那時候價錢已經跟市場上又不一樣了因為你們做完譬如說你們去年做仿價今年要編這個預算的時候事實上已經落後了嘛對不對這個是事實吧 |
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組長這是事實嘛那當你拿出那個落後的價錢就比較少的價錢來編列預算後又標不出去一標再標三標標到十二標已經用一年了所以你們這個整個原物料的這個價錢齁還不算能工齁原物料竟然就已經落後兩三年了永遠標不出去本島有時候大家說如果說在島內大家還願意做就沒有人要到外島去工作根本就是沒辦法做 |
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所以這個問題現在至少在金門市非常嚴重我想馬祖也應該也是都一樣啊 是對吧 普遍性在外保都很嚴重那我們也想要建設發展嘛也想要說 也要想說這個既然爭取到預算就是要做要做這些的確也是有需求才會提出來嘛但是現在就很多很多我想你如果去查一下金門市現在好多案子都還有後面打算要招票案子我們都覺得可能會沒有人來做 |
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自己再多預算回去也沒有辦法有什麼結果政府需要的建設民間需要的這種像比如說你看這個長照機構多重要啊一標標了12次啊我看再標一年也標不出去怎麼做呢 有什麼想法呢 |
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報告委員這個部分因為我們主要是參考工程會的一個一個他們去做查訪相關的指標是落後指標嘛是他是落後指標所以我們要把這個問題反映給工程會然後請工程會重新來訂定新的 |
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你們可不可以有比較主動積極的做法因為工程會常常說主計事就是規定 主計處就是規定這麼多不能編代說法令啊我們還是比較被動是接受工程會然後我們才訂定這個標準那這個部分我們主動來聯繫工程會然後跟他研商先針對這個部分要怎麼解決 |
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我不是針對這個案子因為案子真的很多不是一件兩件還有離島整個將來要怎麼樣訂請工程會來研訂然後我們直接發布因為我們是根據工程會訂的部分你們是根據工程會我如果問工程會他們會說這個組計就是這樣有一個規定我就不能超過多少大家都聽組計數的 |
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所以我們沒有這方面的專業沒關係 你今天聽到這個訊息了那我想說你們是不是會同工程會建立一個離島的營建指標因為它的確跟本島是不一樣的物料也好 能工也好那個時間各方面都完全不一樣所以不然我們的案子不是只有這個案子很多離島的建設都沒有辦法往前推進長照啊 不管是長照也好 港布啊 各方面都一樣 |
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嗯 好不好 那你是不是可以在一個月內提出相關的一些報告出來給我第一個首先是針對這個案子你們主動好不好 你只用牽頭跟工程會來做好不好我不是針對這個案子 這個案子已經標了一年了我們再針對116年度 請他提出 |
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以後的案子 以後到底離島的工址各樣的建設 到底那標準是不是應該要怎麼樣單價各方面是不是有一個什麼提高的方法或什麼好的建議你們主動來跟工程會我們也轉給工程會來做什麼時候給我這個答案可以給我我們盡快 盡快是多久一個月啦 謝謝 |