| IVOD_ID |
167523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167523 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T11:50:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T12:02:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f6135312cac51b7d7a9845512775efda37fe91a9b467d8c7caa1134436d75394885ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:50:52 - 12:02:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 我請主記長好 主記長委員好主記長辛苦了是我每次看到你的報告以後一則已喜 一則已憂是我今天兩個問題要請教你是第一個問題就是說關於我們國家產業結構失衡那這個 |
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要如何來反映給各部會那行政院各部會大家群策群力想辦法來補救第二點就是說我發現你們所調查的這個房屋租金指數那麼跟實質上還是有差距那這兩個問題我想請教你那麼其實你們 |
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上個月你們修改了這個經濟預測經濟成長率從3.54你修改到上修到7.71這個很好而且你們認為說我們出口成長會從6.3那上修到22.2% |
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上修的幅度超過一千億美元以上這對我們台灣都是好的啦這都是正面的尤其相較於鄰近國家那麼我們的經常站在GDP的比重就是說我們貿易順差的部分明顯高出很多 |
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那像去年我們出口年增率我們台灣是世界第一啦我們台灣佔了34.9%那日本韓國都4%3.8%左右那當然也贏過美國跟中國6.0 5.5%這個都是好的都是正面的但是就是關於產業結構的部分 |
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我們如果列出11項我們主要貨品出口的概況11項產業裡面我們在資通跟視聽產品在電子零組件電機產品光學精密儀器等等這一些包括機械 |
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這五大項裡面我們是成長的尤其是高科技業 資通 試聽產品這些電子零組件這些我們的成長幅度非常的高但是另外六項傳產行業像橡膠 塑膠行業礦產品 運輸工具化學品 基本金屬等等這些我們傳統產業 |
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我們不但沒成長 甚至都衰退那麼這個衰退所帶來的影響你看近三年來我們GDP佔的比重比農林漁牧業我們佔1.51% 微幅成長工業 |
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微幅下降 微幅下降 抱歉那工業我們從38.56到43.45我們是成長很大但是服務業59.53降到55.11那降的這個幅度有將近5%之多啦所以產業結構的失衡越來越嚴重 |
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那產業結構師主席講得也很清楚就是說我們受惠於高科技產業的這個部分電子製造業的部分我們GDP佔的比重超過15%而高科技產業能夠聘僱運用的人力卻只佔勞動人口的6.5% |
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簡單講如果以數字來講一個100億產值的高科技產業可能他三五百人就夠啦但是100億產值如果在紡織業在食品業他可能要兩三千人以上的規模 |
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所以這樣子會導致我們失業人口大幅增加那薪水也是薪資大家都曉得我們台灣我們在四小龍裡面我們平均月薪五點六萬五萬六在四小龍裡面我們是墊底的 |
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我們GDP比日本韓國都高但是我們薪水的中位數卻慘輸他們所以受惠的民眾事實上我們國家出口也成長GDP也成長各方面欣欣向榮但是實質上受惠的民眾並 |
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不多多數的民眾是無感的甚至因為物價的關係甚至他們是每天在過著辛苦的生活那像失業率而言我剛講的失業率確實啦去年失業率3.35這個是25年來新低這是沒錯可是有一項 |
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主席長我特別提醒你有一項我們15歲到24歲的年輕人失業率高達11.32年輕人失業率高達11.32是整體我們平均失業率的3.5倍不但高而且高過日本韓國高過日本韓國大概都將近他們的兩倍之多 |
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所以這個部分主席長我希望你能夠在行政院會裡面協調各部份能夠告知這個詳實的情況提出具體讓他們提出具體的對策去改善這樣可不可以你有沒有發現這個事情的嚴重性產業失衡產業結構失衡的嚴重性越來越嚴重 |
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是 跟委員報告因為產業是很的確是存在的尤其傳產產業的部分它整個一個它整個一個中端一個需求它是疲弱還有海外它有低價一個競爭所以整個是整個力道成長力道是不足啦所以這個部分我們當然會請經濟部還有國發會 |
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要相關的部會要持續來協助協助他們要整形要升級要提升他們的一個競爭力這才有辦法不然的話傳產的部分他的人力佔了百分之三十嘛那所謂的那個知通就佔百分之六點五而已所以相對的這一個部分是人力的部分那所以他的薪資就會相對的低就會低下來那這一個部分呢我們本身在 |
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國發會經濟部方面這個部分我們會提供相關的數據給他查找讓他來組織這個部分國發會經濟部這些部分政策上去調整怎麼樣來協助傳統產業還有一項可以協助的就是說也要 |
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情商財政部負稅署我們可以在稅賦方面給傳統產業優惠嘛尤其農林漁牧產業我們對他們課徵這樣同樣的那些稅率其實是不對的 |
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農林漁牧還有傳統產業我們至少說服上面與時俱進跟著這個情況隨時我們各種經濟狀況的改變產業結構的改變那適時的來幫助他們我覺得這最實際啊 |
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好不好財政部最難商量了他保守嘛他們很保守保守是對的但是要讓他們知道這個嚴重性那另外就是說房屋指數房屋指數的部分處長我一直搞不懂我從第一次質詢你到現在你們那個樣本數1480 |
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就這1480份文文不動啦那其實低估的租金指數等於低估的物價指數嘛因為物價指數CPI裡面房租的物價指數這個權重佔了15.6%耶15.6%我們全國有高達300萬戶出租的房屋結果你只有1480份 |
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一千五百份都不到房屋來做你的sample所以這樣出來的指數跟民間調查的不太一樣耶民間現在房租確實漲的幅度有減緩但是還是繼續在漲啊還是繼續在漲那麼我認為啦這個部分在內政部內政部有內政部的統計資料他們有七十一萬份 |
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71萬份資料甚至台北市啊台北市每一季每一季的採樣都5000份以上台北市而已喔採樣5000份所以我認為1480份根本完全沒辦法完整真實的表達我們房屋租金它的指數到底是什麼樣 |
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所以這個部分是不是你可以跟因為內政部很簡單嘛跨部會你找他們情商他那些資料背景其實就可以供給我們主計處來做一個很好的調查不是這樣嗎有這個部分我跟委員報告我們民間的樣本住宅是1500戶郎那社會住宅的部分呢是樣本是3萬戶郎所以整個部分之外我們也有參考 |
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主席講講你社會住宅的部分樣本書都三份份的社會住宅占整體我們國家房屋才占一小部分欸因為它是公務資料該查的你不查 欸 它不負負責任的 |
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你該取樣的是那個大塊的不是這樣子嗎就是真的你要大塊的這個部分大多數的房屋不是那個社會住宅嘛那你社會住宅反而取樣那麼多低頭不夠要顧阿母娘 |
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我不是說那個社會住宅的房屋租金指數不重要重要但是他你都能夠取得三萬份了那你為什麼 |
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是嘛是嘛 所以你說因為是公務資料所以啊 我也四個字回你嘛便於形式嘛 便便的便便的我現在跟你講 便便的齁你做棗內政部 也是很便的啊它有71萬份否則你想想喔 以台北市政府的規模它都能做到每一季5000份的我們是中央政府欸 |
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你們是主計處耶 拜託台美市的財力比我們還優惠財力這個我再跟你 下一回再跟你商量 |