| IVOD_ID |
167518 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167518 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T11:38:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T11:48:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f6999580e21443a34b0bc6757ec415edbebfd7ce027fbc82e0ac88c721d118b9685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:38:34 - 11:48:30 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 那我們是不是要請國安會國安會的葉主委主委委員長主委 主委那昨天我們嘉義舉辦這一次的台灣燈會那這個台灣燈會在昨天完成閉幕那這次的台灣燈會是給嘉義 |
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讓嘉義的知名度大大的提高很多人都來這個燈會看到很多不一樣的一些燈會的一個演出那我特別要提啦在3月3號的時候那有這個燈會的這個煙火那這個燈會的煙火呢事實上在在我們去年東石海之下的時候一樣是有放這樣的海上煙火 |
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那所以這個煙火的廠商就來自於我們自己在地布袋東西那這個廠商事實上這段時間都沒辦法去溝通一些比較本質的一個問題就是說國內事實上在做高空煙火的廠商已經不多了大概國內剩三家 |
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其中兩家都在嘉義一家在嘉義的海區就是東石一家在嘉義的山區在大嶺這裡是製造商他們同樣都面對一個很大的問題就是說我們針對高空煙火高空煙火這個是強調專業他要炮到這麼高的空中他那個技術面的門檻非常高他跟傳統的炮竹工廠是不一樣的 |
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但是我們卻沒有針對高空煙火把它跟傳統的炮竹工廠把它做一個區隔那直接很直白的就直接定義這一些高空煙火就是說這樣的煙火產商他們沒有辦法來申請燃燃的移工意思就是移工沒辦法請外勞來幫他們做這些工作 |
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那以主委您的判斷 現在台灣要來從事這些煙火的製造我們可能大概家長也不太希望我們的子弟去從事這個危險性相對比較高的所以意願低 那意願低你就欠沒人那明明我們國家有這麼高技術這麼好的國內的一個煙火製造的一個廠商 |
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他們甚至在疫情的期間我還幫他們協調讓他們的煙火可以順利出火出火到美國的迪士尼美國的迪士尼都是用我們在嘉義當場的煙火 |
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他都明明是國內之光結果我們卻把他在定義上沒有一個清楚的定義讓他們到現在跟他在一起就很困難我覺得正好在燈會的結束那也事實上凸顯這個問題而且我這個問題我是在 |
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三年前開協調會那你們跟我說會來檢討檢討這件事就這樣拖拖拖拖了三年過去了到了今年的二月好像經濟部才終於把這個案提到勞動部 |
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三月底他們會討論三月底才會討論 三月底快到了那我可以期待了嗎 意思說我現在可以期待了經濟部已經提案了 勞動部三月底他會討論討論最後的結果怎樣的話當然討論結果不知道啦 |
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但是我要講到就是說我們對於產業的需求讓我們政府的動作太慢你看光是這樣我從三年前東石開始在推這個煙火的故鄉這樣的一個概念的時候我就不斷的說基本上這種高空煙火不要把它視為傳統的炮竹工廠他們是需要有移工的一個需求的結果這樣一講講了三年我覺得這真的是效率上是值得再檢討的這樣好不好好 |
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第二個事實上我要跟葉主委這邊來討論我們中埔這邊事實上有多份的研究報告都已經表示說事實上中埔這個地方這個中埔的中崙這個地方事實上它是有地熱的潛力 |
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他就像管那樣啦他就像管那樣地下是同賣的所以這裡有非常好地熱的一個潛力那既然有這個地熱的潛力我們事實上這個 |
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中油啦中油在去年114年的11月11號他也做了一個高溫地下水層的一個評估報告針對中浦鄉竹頭旗段400之一號這差不多就是中波的分水閣下在那裡這樣的一個評估報告他認為說基本上 |
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你只要把它開挖你把它開挖到了大概600公尺它的底層溫度就有到43度但是如果你有辦法把它開挖到了1225公尺到1450公尺它的底層溫度就可以到達70度那過去還有一份專家的一個學者的一個地質報告他認為中輪溫泉這裡如果你把它開挖到了3公里以上可以到150度 |
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所以這裡很明顯是一個很充沛的一個地熱的一個區域那國發會一直長久以來對這這個地方沒有關注到大家都在講能源的一個新進能源的開發的時候卻沒有去講到這一塊我目前拿的這兩份報告咧他們的評估並不是在做地熱並不是在做地熱的研究他們是在做溫泉 |
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溫泉的研究因為我們知道現在關子營的溫泉事實上也可能需要一些新的鑽探的一個點人家在那邊看說 唉唷 中部差不多在中輪這裡這裡的水也夠這個地底下的溫度也夠所以這個地方適合開發溫泉 |
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但是我覺得這樣的話野心是不夠的啊如果他可以再往下再深挖一點溫度會提高到了100度以上甚至到150度的話那為什麼我們不朝向這裡來做地熱的一個開發呢 |
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來有請主委這個部分我們再跟那個經濟部那一邊去商量一下因為加入委員的委員那個資料是不是可以分享給我們可以啊可以啊因為這個是第一個是中友的採購事業部另外一份是過去一個專家學者的研究意見我再跟那個工部長這一邊反映一下 |
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我覺得說台灣正好在我們嘉義中輪這個區段有這麼好的一個天然的一個地熱的一個優勢我覺得我們主委這部分可以好好來然後最後再問一個就是說因為我們知道說現在面對整個世界半導體整個AI的趨勢那揮打領軍的現在對於AI的需求越來越大 |
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台灣我們所扮演的就是由台積電他們所提供的一個晶片甚至這個晶片經過先進的封裝就是揮打他們現在一定最需要的一個晶片那我們現在國家也宣示了我們將投入所謂矽光紙的一個國家隊那我想要請教主委 |
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我們的總預算新興計畫是延宕的那我們這個矽光子的國家對的推動會出現怎樣的障礙可不可以主委您稍微分析一下公聽怎麼看待這件事啊 |
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就假如說預算沒有辦法順利的話那對於我們整個在人才啦以及整個的那個時程的部件上面來講的話會有蠻嚴重的一個延宕那甚至就是說在這個矽光子這個部分來講的話我們是希望就是說矽光子這個技術能夠在繼續的精進那雖然說我們目前在矽光子以及矽光子的封裝 |
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這個部分來講的話我們的技術算是全世界獨有的那我們也希望在這個部分 雖然是世界頂尖啦 最讚的啦可是他就是在台積電啦 可是我們知道說你台積電他需要人才啊 他需要這些人啊這些人就是要我們現在說的四方子國家隊把他整個從人才鏈到研究產官學研 這整塊要起來 這是要經費研的 |
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這樣的話 我覺得 主委 我們既然這段會出狀況 應該要講給社會聽 要講多一點這件事就太嚴重了世界的趨勢 整個AI的浪潮不可擋的情況之下我們既然就因為中醫生 讓我們的新興計畫沒辦法來執行哇 這個真的是很誇張了今年已經三月了 已經過四分之一了中醫生都還沒出來 這真的很慘 |
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好 主委辛苦了好 謝謝委員謝謝蔡議員令人感動的資訊 |