| IVOD_ID |
167478 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167478 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T09:43:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T09:53:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f6631fcf77c68c01c69845512775efda3752953553f5c94752c0ae87ae6cfd03fb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:01 - 09:53:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席,有請主計長跟省計長請主計長跟省計長 |
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委員長好主委長你好 我想剛剛回答那個委員的這個質詢當中有關於這個經濟成長率預估是7.71那之所以這樣會出現7.71的這個數字的GDP成長來自於出口的增加22.22投資呢增加4.24消費增加2.51那物價的部分呢CPI的部分控制在2%以內嘛 對不對 |
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這個數字最新的數字你今天報告當中寫的一樣這個數字可是你當初預估的時候應該是二月戰爭還沒發生之前還沒有發生還沒有發生之前那你說你發生之後你可能會在五月的時候再進一步的調整嗎是我們在五月的時候還會開會來再做一個調整 |
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做一個調整但是現階段來說大家就是擔心在GDP的部分會有什麼樣的衝擊在CPI的部分會有什麼樣的衝擊跟你預估的部分會有什麼樣的差異舉剛剛的例子來說的話其實你們當初設定的油價每桶是58.6美元當初設定是這樣子現在已經破了100美元也就是說它不是只有上漲25%而已 |
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就數字上用基數來去換算的話不是上漲25%幾乎是要成長將近一倍那每增加10%你說減0.20.1 |
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0.1那現階段那很明顯那衝擊蠻大的你有沒有可能在短期內先預估一下數字不用再等到五月來面對這個數字上的問題來做一個內部調整的修正讓外界可以知道說到底這一個中東情勢造成的影響在經濟成長的GDP跟CPU可能會造成的成長是多少 |
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因為這個部分本身它的一個成長我們目前差不多石油和天然氣三四月目前是都沒有問題那大概五月以後所以現在如果說看戰爭它一個長短那目前來講的話就是剛剛講的如果調漲百分之十會影響到0.1那如果CPI會影響0.24那這個部分呢我們 |
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因為目前我們也會有雙議長的一個那個就是我知道政策上有議長的問題嘛待會我們來討論議長的那個政策的一個推動的問題可是現階段除了議長之外其他的國家的處理方式啦就我知道美國的方式日本的方式他就把原來的這個戰備儲備的這個石油把它釋出嘛 |
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他用釋出的方式來壓抑但是即便各國都已經在釋出這個石油的情況底下他的油價一樣是破百嘛你看如果是油價持續上升的話如果你加上沒有溢價的話那物價一定會波動嘛譬如講你一個漁船出去外面捕魚所耗的這個油費如果增加的話他捕獲的魚回來到市場一定會增加價格嘛 |
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那一定會造成這個物價的波動嘛不是嗎所以說這連帶的關係的部分目前為止穩定物價小組比較做的部分還是黃小玉的免稅而已可是穩定物價小組現在對油電的部分是政府全部要吸收嗎如果政府全部要吸收的話那政府對於整個中油跟台電的負擔會越大剛剛雖然有委員講得很好聽但是事實上去年的台電要1500億的撥補的時候就被砍掉了不是嗎 |
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對啊 那你確定中油接下來的政治一定會順利通過嗎那如果沒有通過怎麼辦我們會來努力 是這個部分我當然知道你持續努力啊但是問題本節目問題說沒有通過怎麼處理啊對啊這家公司可能就面臨這個可能會有 |
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會有破損 不是破損而已 可能會倒台耶對 等於說台電和中央它必須背負利息背負利息對 所以就過往在野黨的態度是如此除了中俄跟台電的部分一般的民眾還是最關心那個GDP跟這個CPI的部分 |
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不管是你0.1號0.24也好你至少要預估一下這個戰爭的短期中期跟長期可能的預期充足的三種模式出來嘛可是現階段來說你到了3月16號已經發生了15天之後我們沒有看到任何的一個你們的推估啊 |
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我們一般GDP是三個月推估一次然後我們CPI是每個月都會推估所以一般現在就是變成我們在五月的時候會針對GDP裡面它各項的變數然後各項的變數去做確認然後它影響的變數是多少然後去推估那像CPI的話所以五月的時候才會再行修正就是了不論是CPI也好或GDP也好 |
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每個月那GDP的話到五月我們會請專家學者還有各種專家來針對所以現階段的方式就是一樣是那個壓抑油價跟電價的方式來面對還有黃小玉的方式來面對這個過程好就面對這個過程那另外的部分那個增資中油增資的部分盡量說服盡量努力我們會盡量努力來說服各位委員 |
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好 那另外一個部分有一個部分我們的總預算目前都還沒有通過那我們社福今天要透過追加預算的部分來處理這個部分我們知道這個社福今天的部分非常的重要且關鍵因為你在報告當中也提到說這個有效的覆蓋率的部分你們在今年度做一個首次的公佈希望做一個有效的提升這個是環環相扣的問題 |
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這六項這個中低收入付的社福津貼總共的金額是高達65.9億之外你還有兩項喔國民年金的部分喔還有老農津貼的部分喔老農津貼跟國民年金的部分他要花費多少金額 |
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老農如果是看一年是129那如果是兩個加起來嗎因為老農今天一年是129如果半年的話大概64.5國民年金也是他半年是85左右六大社會是65這樣子所以整個是如果是半年 |
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這兩個半年增加的額度增加大概120億是不是對所以說總共加起來大概185億之多嘛如果這個追加預算還是會面臨一個問題啊如果在野黨Bagger的話那要怎麼處理第一個總預算要先過總預算沒有過總預算沒有過就沒有這個追加預算的問題可是問題我現在問你就是說這是法律上的問題啊你總預算沒有過你怎麼追加預算那我們怎麼是對外號稱說我們7月1號要上路 |
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所以我們希望能夠在總預算請各位委員能夠先行審查因為現在我們總預算都還沒有審查那如果總預算要先審查我們在七月份追加預算才有可能上路那不然的話可能要再往後延遲 |
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所以就只能往後延所以這是環環相扣不過我跟你跟那個主席講說這個其實老實說在民間是因應期盼所以我們在講這一個有關於這個社福津貼提高的話最佳預算的話大家眼睛都睜了很大 |
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不論是從中低收入也好從老農今天也好或國民年金也好大家眼睛都睜很大都很期待這一筆啊這個追加預算趕快通過可是總預算沒有省追加預算就不可能嘛那為什麼我們追加預算可能有能夠付出這一筆錢呢因為你之前有算過嘛 |
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所以說我們在113年的社會保障支出是2兆6953億嘛占整個GDP的10.5%嘛平均每人增加11.5每人平均是11.5萬嘛有效的覆蓋率是94.8嘛對本席再提醒妳一下我們的GDP呢從113年到115年齁增加的金額是5兆6千億啊我們有更多的籌碼 |
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跟預算跟這些稅金可以來照顧這些弱勢嘛 不是嗎 |
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所以說我們有機會提高這些覆蓋率所以對增加這些有效的覆蓋率跟提升這些社福津貼包括國民年輕或者是包括老農津貼也好國家財政應該是沒有什麼任何問題吧我們所以說如果有征服我們就盡量來提高一個這個社會津貼的一個覆蓋率對 沒有錯啊所以我們有這個實力可以做好這些事情這就是賴總統所說的好的素質要轉成好的生活不是嗎 |
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所以今年我們大概整個一個六大社會今天我們是提高23.5%你從這個數字報紙上都有寫我們要去講的是說呢因為今年選舉年大家可能會又扣你帽子我們要講的是說過去長期以來我們累積的經濟實力可以照顧這些弱勢讓它有效的覆蓋這個才會建立一個正當性我只是提醒主席長這個部分最後我再跟主席提醒一下 |
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現階段的話國民黨的版本的這個國防特別預算當中所提的這個金額啊等於是在挖坑給行政部門挑為什麼如果照國民黨的版本我們的負債從原來財發法的他們的第二個版本通過要負債這個舉債兩千九百九十二億結果呢這個國防部的部分又增加一千億有辦法這樣子處理嗎有沒有辦法舉債 |
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還有這個空間嗎因為舉在它是分年啦一般我們1.25兆是分8年嘛所以一年差不多1000多億還可以Cover過去最後有一點我要提醒那個主席長因為之前呢財法法的這個部分行政院版本推出來作為一個優先法案 |
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你做這個優先法案的一個前提底下一直以來在本委員會一直提醒你在事權跟財權的這個如何處理我們希望有一個版本出來我們還是在提醒你在你在推動這個同時當中你一直在提一直在討論但是已經一年多了我希望這個東西在財發法在討論過程當中能夠增加一些說服力好不好主席長請你費心一下也請沈記長 |
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這個部分從你審計的角度反饋回來讓我們財發法能夠更加健全謝謝兩位 謝謝 |