| IVOD_ID |
167473 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167473 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-16T09:31:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-16T09:42:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e545302d1642c5f6d9c6dafaad84d4ff9845512775efda3752953553f5c947524bf6fd8005bdee605ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:31:21 - 09:42:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位鄉親有請陳主席長以及陳審計長兩位請陳主席長跟陳審計長委員好兩位長官好那麼我們立法院正式三讀通過 |
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民生總預算新興計畫38項其中包括TPAS大概70億左右包括交通部的包括補助地方政府的補助地方政府大概60億的交通部自己大概10億左右 |
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自數黃紅計畫 少子化就讓生小孩一胎十萬塊生育補儲等等38項718億這個民生總預算三讀通過組織總諸是不是就准許這個預算通知 |
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我們已經詢問給各單位請他先行動之了可以先行動之了但是問題就是說這個部分他雖然先行動之但是他和預算三讀通過的效力是不一樣所以如果立法院將來審議預算的時候針對這些預算有所刪減他還是會產生一些的問題造成行政人員整身在挖蕩的一個你這個人很複雜主席 |
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你先回答我就是說已經700多億是不是准你動之是不是我們已經請問請各單位簽願中請各單位來動之所以開始可以動之了已經在簽願了好 那個要請沈記長了沈記長對這個事情我們三讀同會雖然是總議院裡面抽出一部分 |
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這個審計部的態度是什麼看這個事情預算法裡面如果有還沒有完成審理但是有經歷完先行同意動之的是可以執行的所以我們會參照這個718億原則上我們會看他的一個希望他能夠加強執行 |
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阿如果像主計場講的說那718億不會有主計場講那個情況我們就通過了 三讀通過了不會有那種說通過以後還要把它刪減啦這個事情不會發生啦但是萬靈發生會怎麼樣審計審計長那個 |
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行政院有一個暫停規定啦他到時候要調整但是 答應通過了我們是希望我們通過了就通過了啦這一部分就不再審了啦預算有審查的時候我們拿出來718億通過就通過了 |
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就通過了深圳市的行政部門今天我是樂見我們的主計長啊所以已經動之了因為我一直有聽到一個聲音說喔 卡住了 你們還不動之不好 特別我要將一哥提醒主計長你的報告裡面第八頁就有提到了第八頁呢這個講了很多中間有一段我念給你聽了 |
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五國社會保障總體有效覆蓋率由105年的91.5%逐年增加到94.8%主因最近政府持續推動少子化擴大扒篷 以而警惕就很清楚嘛 你自己說的這一次7181就是有這一條 |
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所以我現在講一個就是說,主席長我樂見你這樣的回答,但是因為這個Echo啦,如果今天你說不可以動之後的,你的報告都叫寫喔。我再請教主席長,每以一啊,戰爭啊,持續啊,GDP要不要調整,今年度的預估還是7.7嗎? |
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第一個就是說看油價漲 成長的漲價的一個幅度油價已經漲破100啦是 但是現在以我們的物價來講因為我們有抑制它雙漲嘛 對不對所以目前我們有一個物價穩定小組那我們讓油價還漲那下來這樣子的一個虧損我們會做補貼那所以現在畢竟包括台油 中油台電還有台水相關請問喔 請問喔 |
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你編預算沒有 他補貼多少 要補貼多少不是 這補貼是將來以後再已經補貼啦 已經原來漲五塊多 現在變成一塊多了所以他會變成我們都支持啦 我們都支持他會當成他吸收 他會當變成他當年度的虧損所以一般的虧損的部分我們就會透過增資的方式所以我的問題 等一下 等一下你沒聽我們有嗎所以我的問題就是GDP |
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按照主計程的講法GDP不會影響還是7.7%是不是 我就問你是不是GDP的部分這個部分我們是每三個月會做一個評估包括這個條件 包括數據 |
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所以我們會做整個條件但是目前對每一個關稅的問題並沒有很大的影響那現在就是美伊戰爭的一個部分那如果說油價上漲10%對GDP影響0.12% |
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那所以以這樣來換算的部分那如果說這個部分這是一個變動的因素包括是不是還有其他一個變動因素我們都會列入考量然後在五月份的時候我們還在做一個修正是這樣子現在目前我們初估是7.71沒有錯 |
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可是不用喔 妳剛剛講啦 油價沒漲10% GDP減0.1%對不對 好 那現在油價已經從80塊漲到100塊啦漲20 25%啦 漲25%啦 這樣就影響0.2%啦 |
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是1.2啊是是嗎是照這樣換算所以整個是做依此來做變動的變幅所以就看油價的漲怎麼樣物價咧物價會漲0.240.24所以現在油價漲25%了已經漲25%了所以25%乘以0.24的物價就漲這樣子了是不是但是主計長我提醒你提醒你啦是 |
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那個桶莊 瓦斯 小吃店小賣店 我們旁邊 立陶宛旁邊的小吃店是這樣 哀聲鈴鈴 笑苦連天因為瓦斯 桶莊瓦斯 一起啊是是 一起啊 |
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是,這個部分呢,中油和台電它會有一些議職漲幅的一個措施出來那這個部分在行政院的一個穩定物價小組裡面都會討論我再問你喔,油價已經漲配牌了,現在是不是如此喔 |
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中華去年度虧損91億,累積虧損811億,每年利息付出140億,三度提出增資,你們同意到增資嗎?所以今年他如果提出增資,我們會把他列入考量經濟部,他已經有跟經濟部提出要增資 |
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這個部分3500億他什麼時候要提出來什麼時候要提出來116年度中長城計畫的時候我們希望他能夠他在115年2月已經跟經濟部提出來了主席長 同意 |
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不是 這個部分我們預算編列會有他一定的一個程序會先到中長城的一個計畫去審什麼時候可以確定要給他增資 什麼時候可以確定大概今年的七月七月 來 沈記長你看一下好不好周明兒現在此夕開所你要替增資 沈記長的態度是什麼 |
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中油連續五年多虧損不是光現在所以我們是希望中油能夠減少不經濟輸出增進一些效能 |
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注意要不要爭執我們尊重行政院的態度因為這個時代 這個時機啊因為有這樣的困難總有會講啊 總有會講啊所有的虧損都是配合政策啊補貼稅虧損虧到這樣啊你怪我 你不用怪我啊來 那個 沈記長 |
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因為中油有一個油價的調漲基礎他根據他購買的原料他會慢慢慢慢...原來有個公司現在政府因為局勢世界中東在打仗所以給他動場這個局勢動場產生的虧損我是同意組織長或者同意行政院的做法這個 |
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因為政府的力量介入 造成中國的虧損這塊要政府扛啦 不能夠叫中國扛啦好 最後我同意好 最後一個來那個主席長請回喔 我就問一下沈記長111年了 國內有暗網兜售台灣2300多萬人的個資啦你有沒有立案調查 有調查結果勒 |
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正在調查 什麼時候的結果我們大概列底他們去採抽的人員會回來有受害的民眾去提告就在我的選區 告到台北高等行政法院還贏呢 還贏呢他就告內政部 他贏囉 |
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我就問審計長的態度美金有民眾提告他的個人權利受損所以呢他就提告北高行台北高等行政法院判他贏內政部輸 |
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所以 審計部的立場我們會根據審計發現 審計事實來做處理這個我們已經通知了國安署那個 珠安署這個很重要好不好我們把它當作因為這個珠安是國家的重點我們一定會配合你同時調查一下這是內政部的啦還有我們健保署 |
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的資料也是被倒也被倒出去的那是早期早期我們一族也再追你再追一下好不好好謝謝 |