| IVOD_ID |
16747 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16747 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-11T08:30:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-11T13:41:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:10:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd622a2f89928e5b660fbe320b46af75468b19dddded0b194f508315f763ac96535ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員徐巧芯等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一條文修正草案」、二、委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第二十一條條文修正草案」、三、委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十四條條文修正草案」、四、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條條文修正草案」、五、委員牛煦庭等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條及第十六條之一條文修正草案」、六、委員顏寬恒等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十六條及第四十三條條文修正草案」、七、委員林思銘等18人、八、委員林月琴等23人、九、委員魯明哲等21人、十、委員陳俊宇等18人、十一、委員羅智強等16人、十二、委員陳菁徽等18人、十三、委員黃健豪等19人、十四、委員李坤城等24人、十五、委員邱若華等17人、十六、委員羅廷瑋等16人、十七、委員張宏陸等18人、十八、委員游顥等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」、十九、委員蔡其昌等20人、二十、委員林俊憲等26人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」、二十一、委員陳素月等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條、第二十一條之一及第八十五條之三條文修正草案」、二十二、委員顏寬恒等21人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十七條條文修正草案」、二十三、委員林德福等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十條條文修正草案」、二十四、委員廖先翔等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十三條條文修正草案」、二十五、委員林德福等16人、二十六、委員邱若華等18人、二十七、台灣民眾黨黨團分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」、二十八、委員黃健豪等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」、二十九、委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十四條及第四十五條條文修正草案」、三十、委員林俊憲等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十五條條文修正草案」、三十一、委員牛煦庭等18人、三十二、委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第五十六條條文修正草案」、三十三、台灣民眾黨黨團(11-1-13)、三十四、台灣民眾黨黨團(11-1-21)分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」、三十五、委員羅智強等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十二條條文修正草案」、三十六、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十八條及第八十四條條文修正草案」、三十七、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十條條文修正草案」、三十八、委員林俊憲等20人、三十九、委員廖先翔等19人、四十、台灣民眾黨黨團、四十一、委員王世堅等17人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條條文修正草案」及四十二、委員林思銘等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第九十二條之二條文草案」案。【本日會議僅進行詢答】） |
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好各位請就座好現在出席委員已足法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次議事錄請 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期交通委員會第十四次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百一四年六月五日星期四上午九十二分至十一時五十三分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員魯明哲等十五人列席委員鍾嘉斌等五人列席官員行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德等 |
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主席許昭及委員智傑報告四項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論四項審查計施法等修正草案本日會議由行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德報告後藉由委員洪孟凱等14人提出質詢 |
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均經主任委員曾經的及相關人員分別願意答覆決議一 報告及詢談完畢二 委員要先享所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報三 委員質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請行政院公共工程委員會盡速書面答覆四 討論四項個案均另定期繼續審查 商會宣讀完畢 |
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好 謝謝 現在我們來介紹我們出席的委員我們首先介紹林思明委員另外林業勤委員好 今天我們來介紹今天出席的官員我們交通部政務次長陳彥博次長公共運輸監理師司長林福山司長 |
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1914.023 |
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1940.657 |
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陸珍道安司 我們黃應貴司長華智次處長 喜鴻達處長公路局局長 陳文瑞局長高工局局長 趙新華局長台灣鐵路公司也是我們正次代理董事長吳勝炎董事長 |
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1943.384 |
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1971.041 |
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運輸研究所副所長王孟衡副所長環境部大氣環境師檢任繼政李承陽繼政內政部國土管理署檢任政工程書王熙明總工程師另外我們也是檢任工程書余維靜小姐 |
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1978.285 |
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警政署交通組組長陳明柱組長消防署專門委員簡育淳衛福部社會家庭書組長游怡君華務部參事廖江憲 |
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2002.952 |
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2013.834 |
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司法行政訴論廳法官何敬剛何敬剛經濟部標準局檢任記證陳榮滬勞動部勞動師專門委員黃勤雀農業部農民輔導師記證王東亮 |
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2051.049 |
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前市部專門委員朱美英國防部檢任視察盧興廷個人資料保護組科長蔡欣怡 |
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2053.712 |
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好 以上介紹補充介紹我們廖宣祥委員 |
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2069.95 |
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本日會議審查道路交通管理處罰條例的修正草案今天僅進行答詢的程序所以沒有實質審查所以現在請委員說明提案的要職首先請提案人林思明委員提案說明時間三分鐘 |
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2099.65 |
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2099.684 |
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谢谢观看 |
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好 謝謝趙偉各位委員還有我們交通部各位官員大家早安本席提案道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第92條之2條文的草案僅提出提案說明汽車駕駛執照說明汽車駕駛人經體檢及考試及格後才予以發證且汽車駕駛人考慮駕照時他的體格以及體能一般都為正常的狀況 |
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蛋糖因為年紀的增加增長或者因因故患有視覺功能障礙的時候比如說失智症癲癇或其他注意影響汽車駕駛的疾病的時候皆可能在駕駛人上路的時候導致無法預期的意外發生我們從最近媒體的報導多起車禍的事故中我們看到很多高齡的駕駛 |
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因為駕車時發生注意力不足或駕駛操作不當的情況那也有肇事者肇事後他自稱說因為他癲癇發作所以這些意外都造成不幸的傷亡並讓許多的家庭破碎 |
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因此本題新增提案道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第92條之二的條文將駕駛人的體格或體能的變化有不符合道路交通安全規則第64條第一項鎖定考領駕駛執照的情形時應依該規則第76條第一項第五款的規定迅速將駕駛執照繳回我們公路監理機關 |
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2204.572 |
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應我們為維護汽車駕駛人駕車時自身以及我們其他用路人的安全應重新審查其駕駛執照的資格此外也要明訂公路主管機關得加緊相關機關提供符合視覺功能障礙失智症、癲癇等特定情形者之資料以休先通知其重新辦理駕駛執照的審查資格 |
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2231.34 |
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2260.189 |
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且公務主管機關經查了相關資料後確認汽車駕駛人之體格或體能變化有符合道路交通安全規則第64條第一項所定執行也應該通知駕駛人於規定的期限內重新辦理駕駛執照的資格審查並規範汽車駕駛人藉其為辦理駕駛執照資格的審查者的後續規定處理機制敬請各位委員支持本席的提案 |
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2279.102 |
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讓我們行人的用戶安全以及駕駛人的行車規範都能夠有效的提升避免我們意外車禍的發生以上 謝謝好 謝謝我們提案人林思敏的說明現在請林月琴提案人來說明 |
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2289.554 |
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2304.45 |
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好 各位委員還有我們的政府部門那本席針對道路交通安全處罰條例第21條的條文修正草案提出如下的意見跟重點也敬請各位委員們可以支持 |
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2305.131 |
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2324.947 |
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首先我要強調的是今年台灣無照駕駛日趨嚴重根據數據顯示無照駕駛的違規案件五年內成長了22%那每年造成超過700人的死亡跟4萬人的受傷社會成本高達千億元在兒少方面呢 |
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2325.507 |
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2328.469 |
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從數據來看的話2013年到2023年間全國12到17歲的少年其機車的每10萬人口死傷數從472人增加到666人成長了4成這日趨嚴重的趨勢 |
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2343.218 |
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2371.927 |
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不僅體現無照駕駛違規對於道路安全的威脅以及對於兒少能否健全成長事實上自為關鍵更凸顯現行法規跟配套措施的不足我同樣也要提醒的是無照駕駛的累犯人數事實上這個比例事實上是驚人的統計顯示的話近三年的裁罰案件當中有三分之二是重複違規2023年的累犯人數更突破了14萬 |
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這反映了單純依靠處罰可能難以根治的問題需結合系統性的措施那以下是本席提出的法律的立法的重點主要參考各國的法制以加重無照者違規的成本跟執法的效率為目標分為三大核心第一 違規當下應該立即扣測考量無照駕駛屬於嚴重的危害道路交通安全的違規行為 |
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那為了避免駕駛者在趁這個風氣在做駕駛 |
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所以並且提高駕駛者違規使用車輛的門檻所以修正第一項 增訂當場一致保管該汽車的規定第二 強化汽車所有人善盡車輛管理的責任目前車輛所有人允許無照駕駛其汽車的處罰並未能涵蓋到車主本身就是無照駕駛者的情況這樣的情況特別容易發生在已經超過考照 |
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年齡的違規者為了減少違規使用車輛的來源並加強汽車所有人善盡車輛保管責任參考現行條例第35條酒後駕車吊扣牌照的一個規定修正第6項增訂無照駕駛者吊扣汽車牌照的處罰第三加強同乘者的連帶責任 |
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透過同乘者的連帶處罰可適時增加無照駕駛的他律的一個機制要求乘客共同負起防制無照駕駛行為的責任參考現行條例的第35條酒駕同車乘車的規定增訂第8項規定無照駕駛同車處罰的規定所以反請我們的在場的委員能夠支持以上謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們林業勤提案人的說明那現在我們來確定議事錄來在座請各位委員有沒有什麼意見議事錄好沒有的話我們的議事錄先讀完畢我們就議事錄確定好接下來我們請廖先祥提案人來說明 |
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好 謝謝主席那本次道交條例我個人有三個條文有提出草案那第一個是我們的噪音車的問題過去大家對於噪音車的詬病是非常的大那影響我們民眾生活的安寧那因此過去大概兩三年時間交通部配合環境部 |
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有推出了這個排氣管的一個認證的一個制度那所有上路的一個機車排氣管都必須要有認證那如果沒有認證的話會有相關的一個罰則但是這相關的一個罰則或取締只有限定在移動中的交通工具才能夠取締也就是說我們員警在巡邏的過程中 |
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看到有機車發出比較大的噪音他才可以主動去取締那相對起來他是一個比較危險的一個取締的行為那包括也沒有辦法大規模的去做一些相關的一個查處所以說這次的修法建議包括我們只要是停放在公有道路公有範圍的一個路權範圍內的一些機車他只要沒有他的排氣管沒有經過認證的話 |
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那我們遠景一樣都有這個取締的一個權利這一點是我們的照應車的規範的調整那第二點是我們高速公路的內側車道我們現在其實高速公路局一直有在高速公路做一些宣導內側車道是超車道 請勿佔用但是我們的高速公路的內側車道 超車道它的限速並沒有比其他的車道的限速來得高請問 |
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要怎麼超車這是一個很俗的一個問題那因此我個人提出了一個1.2倍以內就是限速1.2倍以內超車道不予處罰的一個條文的規定那當然我提出的是一個方向我提出的建立方案不一定是最好的但是 |
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修法的一個目的是希望把內車車道它是一個超車道的一個精神能夠實際的落實在道路上面那因此這個提出了相關的修法的一個這個草案那第三個是進行機車的一個明文的一個公告 |
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過去以來許多的地方政府都拿大陸交通安全規則第99條第一項的一個規定來訂定進行規則的一個公告或者是一些標示等等但是我們交通部也有明確的函文給許多的地方政府第99條第一項的規定並不是拿來作為進行機車的一個 |
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依據 地方政府不能夠拿這條來進行移車那一切還是以道路的線性現場的一個規範 安全性來做一個來做一個這個考量 為主要的依規但實務上 長期以來地方政府對於進行集合這件事情都有矯枉過正的一個情況因此 在這條法例它其實有一點是基本法的一個概念在矯枉過正的情況下 在我們希望 |
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這個推動汽機車平權的情況下我們希望地方政府對於所有進行機車都要有一個明確序名的一個理由來保持它的一個正當性那也避免我們的地方政府一切把責任都推給我們的交通部讓我們的汽機車的一個環境在道路上能夠更加的安全 以上 謝謝好 謝謝廖先祥提案人的說明現在請牛西庭提案委員來說明 |
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謝謝主席今天我們針對道路交通管理處罰條例第16條增訂16條之一以及第56條修正案提出提案說明第一個有關第16條及第16條之一的部分基本上是針對噪音車的部分我們現行取締噪音車的方式是由環檢警監理機關不定期於路旁或者是適當地點執行噪音檢驗 |
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或者是以固定或非固定設置方式用科技執法的方式來做處理都要有專業的儀器技術跟人員來進行檢測但當然噪音檢測有時候受限於周遭的環境影響無法成功取締所以環境部推出了所謂的改裝排氣管認證制度從源頭的角度來處理這樣子 |
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檢視排氣管是否有認證編號及外觀不符的狀況只要有不符合可以立刻取締對比需要專業儀器的噪音檢測如果查獲衛醫法辦理排氣管變更登記者就可以進行取締這樣的方法比較簡單有望遏止更多排氣管的亂象但現在問題是這樣子喔 |
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未符合規定改裝排氣管的法環在盜交管理處罰條例裡面的規定是比噪音管制法裡面的規定來的低那也就是說這法律上這個標準不齊一的狀況那麼考量改裝排氣管而且未依規定申報登記者如果他沒有辦法盡速的改善重新的驗車的話 |
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會有防害交通安全跟公眾安寧的風險所以我們在16條以及增訂16條之一提高相關的罰環並且要求車主要自行付費並且在限期之內來參加驗車這樣才有辦法讓這個排氣管的 |
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這個改裝認證制度能夠有效並且順利的來執行另外有關56條的部分這個我們是針對並排停車的部分針對罰則來做調整這個考量並排停車車種時段路段方式樣態未盡相同但現在的狀況是定額罰款2400塊有沒有讓行政機關就個案對於交通影響程度斟酌這個空間是有限的裁量權限是有限的因此我們本來的提案是希望把它做 |
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放寬變成有最低到最高的一個罰環空間給予行政機關針對並排停車個案情形為不同處罰我們本來希望是1800到3600但是最近發生了幾個有嚴重危害行人安全的相關案例讓我們重新思考這個下限恐怕也要相對往上提升因此本席也會在後續審查之後提出修正動議目前的想法應該是2400 |
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最低4800最高我們可以試並排停車的不同樣態與以不同程度的罰則希望可以遏制並排停車的亂象有效保護交通動線的順暢以及行人的安全以上兩個提案敬請大院各位委員同仁一起來支持感謝 |
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好謝謝我們劉希廷委員提案人的說明現在請游浩委員提案說明 |
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謝謝大會主席那本期在今天也提出了道路交通管理條例處管理處罰條例第21條修正那主要是因為數據顯示近5年來我國的無照駕駛涉入交通事故案件每年超過4萬件平均約7萬人死傷而且成長幅度的話高達22%有明顯惡化的趨勢那顯現現行的法規對無照駕駛的處罰 |
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他缺乏了嚇阻的效果那違規者還他的違法成本過低所以說他的這個無感與其危險性跟違法性所以本席提出道路交通管理條例九點處罰條例21條對於無照駕駛的處罰標準變低對於反覆違規者無累犯加重條款對出借車輛供無照駕駛者使用之處罰亦顯寬鬆造成法治上防治力薄弱的漏洞還予以檢討強化 |
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那修法的希望能夠達到的具體目標一是希望能夠提高違法的成本強化法治威嚇的效果還調高罰還起點以及最高金額來防止違規者施罰還為可承受的代價 |
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二 設置累犯加重條款對於兩年內重複造駕駛者加重處罰並得一致保管其所駕車輛來遏止慣性違法三 針對協助行為刻以責任 |
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分涉車主或實際支配人出借車輛供無照駕駛之連帶罰則來強化源頭的管理加重重大事故行政責任認定無照駕駛造成重傷或死亡事故者除依法附刑者外行政法同步加重以來凸顯其社會的危險性 |
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那本席認為無照駕駛絕非單一的交通違規事件而是長期侵蝕我國交通秩序造成重大社會傷害的結構性問題我有透過明確而有效的法律規範來建立用路人的基本安全底線為此提出本修正條文草案希望各位同志能夠支持通過還社會一個安全有序負責的交通環境謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們提案人游浩委員的說明現在請提案委員盧廷維委員說明 |
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好 謝謝主席今日本日提案說明那鑑於近年來無照駕駛發生的交通事故頻傳所以不僅危險到我們公共的安全對於自身生命安全呢也是非常非常極大的威脅而無照駕駛造成的死傷人數已經不亞於酒駕顯見現行的法律規定已經有不足以有效嚇止 |
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無照駕駛的行為為防範無照駕駛的現象我特你去這一次的交通管理條例處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案本草案的重點有二無照最高罰到三萬六且當場一致保管車輛 |
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加重汽車所有人的連帶責任汽車所有人允許無照駕駛及機車小型車環理及特據要這個特高我們要提高這個罰環特高在這個提高在這個三萬六 |
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並按累積次數加重處罰吊扣牌照期間最長至一年那剛剛也有其他的委員有提到有關於並排停車希望能夠將下限提高我覺得這部分本席也是非常非常的認同那也在這一次的討論當中我們也希望所有的委員能夠一起支持那我在地方也 |
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非常非常多的一些市民朋友跟我們在反映這一次雖然我們的排氣管有納入一些規範管制但是呢真正的噪音改裝車並沒有真正的賀值沒有根絕所以在這個部分上也希望在這一次的討論當中能夠充分的討論在想一些更好的方法能夠有效的來賀值以上 |
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好謝謝我們羅廷維提案說明好現在我們請繼續請機關代表報告現在請交通部陳彥博次長報告希望時間在五分鐘以內 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生 今天要列席貴委員會就委員會審查 |
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張鴻路委員、游浩委員、蔡其昌委員、林俊炫委員、陳素月委員、林德福委員、台灣民眾黨團還有王世堅委員等擬拒道路交通管理處罰條例總共42案的修正草案提出本部的建議處理的意見供各委員來參考 |
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有關委員提案將民眾檢舉的項目納入單獨留置6歲以下或需看護之兒童於車內及在道路交通標誌前臨時停車遮蔽標誌或提高排氣管的違規改裝的罰款額度 |
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增訂改裝噪音車則令增加辦理定期檢驗的次數刪除強行闖越收費站或衝撞收費人員或一般道路排除散落物得收取費用提高酒駕的罰則明定強制抽血程序 |
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緊急救援車輛排除停讓行人的罰則提高一般的車輛行人不必讓緊急救援車輛的罰範 |
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然後提高並排停車的罰範然後修正救濟管轄的法院然後禁止考領駕照期間不得持外國駕駛執照 換過我國駕駛執照然後提高擅自改裝電動輔助自行車及微型電動二輪車的罰則修正勤促寵物等用詞提高行人闖入鐵路平交道的罰範 |
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金額等那本部呢尊重貴委員會綜合審查的一個結果那另外有關委員提案提高未造車牌啦取消攜帶行車執照非原廠這個排氣管的一個認證高速公路內側車道超過1.2倍不予處罰或是這個隔熱紙的透光率納管行車行駛車道除序名理由公告不得行 |
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限制機車行駛或道路交通安全規則每年至少召開一次會議等的一個建議本部基於有些是涉租管機關的權責有些是在道路交通安全規則或法規命令或行政函式都已經或是實務作法上都已經可以達到委員建議的一個效果所以我們建議不以增訂 |
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那另外因應近期無道駕駛照造成死傷事件本部呢已在邀集相關單位討論研擬加重罰則包括一汽機車分別加重罰環累計期間延長至十年 卻罰環無上限那當場一致保管車輛及扣腳牌照那車主也要連帶重罰 |
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那肇事致人重傷或死亡、吊銷、駕照終生不得考慮呢那預計我們在今年的6月底前會報請行政院所以有關委員相關的一個條文我們建議後續討論的時候可以並同來並同行政院的一個提出來條文來並同討論以上我就先摘要的說明本部提出的一個重點的報告 |
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那接下來呢我就麻煩請供應司林市長向各位委員詳細來做一個說明那再次感謝各位委員的關心跟指教 謝謝 |
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主席委員 各位女士先生今天應邀列席貴委員會祕救相關委員及黨團總共處罰條例42案的一個修正提案提出這個處理件意見供委員來參裁以下我大概簡要對各個委員相關提出的一個重點及處理件進行這個報告首先有關於習委員僑薪第七條之一 |
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這個留置六歲以下或看護的兒童還有這個標誌前停車遮蔽標誌的部分那有關於這個六歲或需要特別看護的兒童單獨留置於車內是有這個高度的風險應該要立即來做一個這個處置那如果有發現應該立即這個報警來由警察來這個及時來介入這個查處那另外有關於在這個標誌前臨時停車遮蔽號幣的這個遮蔽號誌的部分因為遮蔽號誌的這個有是它的構成要件 |
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那檢舉人所附的這個證據容易因為遠近方向拍攝地點及角度實務上可能會難以這個認定但是原則上交通部尊重這個委員會審查的一個這個結果那有關於邱委員政經提案這個修正第12條有關於偽編造車牌滑軟的部分那這個部分的話因為在5月9號大院已經刪讀這個通過12條的修正條文 |
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那這個交通部跟內政部檢視署已經課正在準備施行這個的一個作業那有關於委員提高提案提高滑軟下限的部分在上次這個交委會還有大院審查的時候已經有充分討論所以建議本條無需再做這一個修正那有關於五位委員配議提這個提案14條取消隨車攜帶行車執照的部分 |
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3588.58 |
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那現行這個這個隨身攜帶這個行照已經沒有罰則的一個這個規定那但是我們認為說這個如果說刪除這項規定的話可能會讓民眾誤解這個開車都不用隨身攜帶這個這個行照所以我們是建議說維持現行條文那有關於廖委員心想提案 |
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第16條有關於這個排氣管這個認證跟處罰規定的部分那為從源頭解決機車改裝排氣管產生噪音的問題那交通部也配合這個環境部這個推斷排氣管這個噪音源頭管制認證的一個制度我們也在這個去年1月份就修正大案規則 |
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3630.539 |
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那將這個變更會員刑事機車排氣管納為應辦理變更登記的一個這個項目而且必須要使用環境部這個認證的一個這個排氣管那如果說經攔查或這個民眾檢舉有噪音超標的這個部分那有關於未依規定辦理變更的部分可以依照這個處罰條例第16條規定來做處罰 |
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那有關於噪音超過標準的部分那由環保局依照這個噪音管制法第24條的規定來做一個處罰那這個部分的話交通部會這個持續配合環境部相關的一個這個政策來滾動檢討有關於大溫過程的這個規定所以這個部分建議維持現行條文 |
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那有關於劉委員洗庭建議也是16條跟16條之一有關於這個就是說排氣管這個未辦理變更登記相關滑緩還有這個臨時檢驗這個受檢者負擔費用的一個部分那嚴委員可能有關於也是16條跟43條有關於增加這個定期檢驗次數這個部分那原則上有關於提高滑緩的部分 |
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交通部尊重委員會審查的一個這個結果那另外有關於這個就是說違規者這個負擔臨時檢驗的費用這個部分因為像這種的臨時檢驗是屬於責令改善原來就是屬於違規處罰在這個受法院裡面的這個一環那我們是建議無需這個增訂那有關於原委員提案就是增加辦理定期檢驗次數這個部分 |
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因為定期檢驗還是有它的週期我們是建議這個因為條文裡面本來就有責任改善臨時檢驗的一個機制更能達到這個即使強制改正的一個目的那建議這個部分並與其他相關委員的提案來做綜合的這個審查那有關於 |
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這個邱委員林委員等諸多委員提案有關於無照駕駛這一塊包括21條21條之一第67條第85條之三的部分那這部分剛剛這個次長已經有報告有報告那這個交通部已經會同這個內政部保護部有在召開過這個會議 |
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那整個修正這個條文那剛剛委員提到有提到包括雷犯防範的機制那這個切分汽機車駕駛人按照不同的行為來提高保安的部分都已經有討論那這個部分建議這個就是可以並行政院的一個這個條文這個來審查那這個尊重委員會審查的一個結果那有關於這個嚴委員提到這個17條刪除這個強行闖越售賣站的部分 |
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因為先行都已經實施電子收費已經沒有人工這個收費站這個部分尊重委員會審查的一個結果那李委員得福這個提案修正30條有關於這個散落物這個清除費用由這個駕駛人負擔這個部分那這個部分這個尊重這個委員會審查的一個結果那有關於廖委員先強提案修正條例第33條這個高快速公路內車的車道為超車道那如果說以這個超過這個 |
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還超過速限來行使這個1.2倍不予處罰這個部分那這個部分交通部是認為車輛超過速限就有安全的一個風險那另外在現行違反道路交通管理事件統一裁判基準及處理細則第12條已經有這個超過最高速限位於10公里且未發生事故就有這個得失與圈倒免於取發的一個規定所以這個部分的修正提案建議維持現行的一個規定 |
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那有關於這個林有文德吾等提案35條35條之二67條有關於這個酒駕這個加重處罰的這個部分那最近幾年來已經這個持續這個配合這個房子的需要有這個修法加重酒駕相關的一個罰則 |
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那最近一次是在112年6月30號修正這個施行那以近年9家案件及傷亡已有逐漸下降的趨勢那有關於這次委員提案在修正的部分交通部這個尊重委員會審查的一個這個結果 |
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那有關蔡委員期章及民眾黨團提案有關於三十五條就是呃釋憲這個呃一號判決有關於強制抽血程序這個部分那委員及黨團提案的內容跟方向跟這個交通部韓報行政院的這個版本內容方向一樣那這個部分這個尊重委員會審查的一個這個結果那有關於嚴委員誇橫提案修正四十條增進 |
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增訂緊急救援車輛排除停讓行人罰者這個部分救護車開啟警示登記警員去執行這個緊急任務行進行人從業道本來就具有優先通行權那這個部分這個尊重委員會討論審查的一個結果那有關 |
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這個言委員寬容及林委員竣現提案修正第45條提高一般車輛不避讓這個這個緊急車輛的一個滑軟這個部分那交通部這個尊重委員會最後審查的一個這個結果那有關於 |
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這個就是 呃 林委員跟林委員提案56條提高運營牌停車法案額度這個部分我們也尊重委員會審查的這個結果那有關蔡委員即將提案修正65條及87條修正救濟管道這個管轄行政法院的這個部分 建表贊同 |
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那這個部分 這個尊重委員會審查的一個結果那有關於這個民眾黨團提案修正67條有關於這個終身不得考慮駕駛執照及相關駕照吊扣吊銷期間持外國這個護衛國駕照使用的一個限制這個部分那這個部分 交通部在去年已經有明確這一個函示那這個民眾 |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
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這個吊扣吊銷期間是不得在持護衛國相關的這個護衛駕照來做使用那即使這個就是說吊銷期滿之後也必須要按我國的規定重新考慮駕駛執照不得這個用護衛國的這個駕照來做一個這個使用那有關於黨團提案這個就是說67條之一這個在一定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4002.12 |
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這個終身不得考慮駕駛執照在一定的條件之下可以在這一個這個申請考驗那排除有關於這個35條9駕駛執照除以終身不得考慮駕駛執照這個部分那這部分這個尊重委員會審查的一個結果那有關於劉委員之強提案修正 |
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4029.177 |
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第72條這個就是有關於電動輔助自行車及危險電動二輪車改裝的這個處啊這個部分這個尊重委員會審查的一個結果那黨團有關於民眾黨團提案修正第78條增訂行人不避讓緊急救援車輛罰則及這個修正第84條有關於這個動物名稱這個部分那這個這兩條的一個修正提案那原則上尊重這個委員會審查的結果那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4050.576 |
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有關如委員明者提案修正80條提高這個行人闖入鐵路平交道處罰這個額度限行2000次提高到4800這個部分那這個部分我們這個支持那尊重委員會審查的結果那有關於鄰居間委員提案修正第92條增訂有關於這個隔熱紙相關這個透光濾納管規定這個部分 |
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4080.611 |
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那這個部分公務局預計在6月底之前會公布隔熱紙連貼使用的一個指引那後續納管的部分只要在道路交通安全規則來規定相關標準與定期檢驗來做這個監管就可以所以建議無需在條例裡面去做一個增訂那有關廖委員先想也在提案修正條例第92條就是增訂 |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
相關主管機關如果車道有限制機車使用就必須要續名理由上網公告這個部分這個部分我們交通部的建議是道路限制包括機車或其他大型車小型車在車道上面的使用是這個涉及道路主管機關這個相關行車管理及安全的專業評估那另外一個部分如果說要續名理由上網公告因為這個路段車道相當的一個多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
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能需要向地方政府確認實務的這個可行性所以這個部分我們建議這個不予這個增訂那有關這個民眾黨團這個增訂92條增訂有關於這個排氣管認證這些相關過程的這個部分那這個部分的話交通部是現行我們配合環境部已經在大陸交通安全規則這個法規命令就可以處理所以建議無需在這個條例92條裡面來做一個增訂 |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
4158.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那有關於這個王世堅委員提案這個道安規則的修訂必須要這個邀請這個相關的團體專家學者來討論而且每年必須要召開這個一次修正會議這個部分因為道安規則牽涉到很多面向的一個規定那這個部分只要有道安規則的修正會議我們都會依照這個課題會邀請相關這個相關的如果是行使規定或是這個駕駛的部分就會這個邀請這些團體 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
相關的安全團體那如果是車輛的部分就會邀請車輛公衛還有相關改裝團體來做一個討論所以這個部分的話應該是無需在這個條例裡面去做一個規定那有關於蔡委員集倉還有林委員思敏提案這個修正這個九十二條 |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
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至二有關於這個接接相關機關資料的這個部分那這個部分的話政府已經函報行政院那相關委員提案的內容跟方向跟院版跟我們提報這個行政院是相同那這個部分這個建議可變行政院版來做審查那尊重委員會這邊審查的結果那綜上這個說明那以上的一個這個建議處理意見請敬請各位委員參考以上謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們交通部那因為法務部今天也列席司法院也列席個人資料委員會也列席因為都有提書面資料敬請各位參考書面資料其以機關所送的書面資料列入記錄並刊登公報 |
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那現在我們還是在請林德虎提案說明時間在三分鐘 |
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謝謝主席我想本席針對就是這個林德武等17人有建議這個貨物物品散落一般道路若不及時的排除容易造成交通堵塞與二次事故那強制排除散落 |
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這個物品依現行的法令適用於高速公路及快速公路這個為了讓公權力能夠儘早介入處理及及早排除一般道路的塞車狀況保障用路人的行車安全乃提這個道路交通管理條例第30條條文草案這個就是載運貨物 |
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這個物品散落於車道沒有辦法及時清除時散落物可由道路啊這個該管機關啦主管的機關協助這個來 |
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這個排除但是會用由汽車駕駛人或汽車這個所有人來負擔是我有當提請公決那另外還有一個就是這個本院林德福還有廖偉祥、謝龍介等16人有建議酒駕林榮仁 |
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是全民的共識自從立法院要求設立酒駕累換姓名公布專區後終於讓外界知道酒駕累換真的是層出不窮甚至一而再再而三酒後無照駕駛因此各界呼籲針對酒駕累換 |
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沒入其車輛以避免最終造成無法挽回的遺憾經交通部統計十年內第三次酒駕累患據測累患而且駕照無效之人 |
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人數合計有19649人所以說本行來提出這個道路交通管理條例這個第35條條文修正草案針對酒駕累犯10年內第三次酒駕而且無照上路 |
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要把車子沒路未來本案要是經立法院審議獲得共識就是要用避利的手段本席也支持更嚴厲來處罰視我有當進行公決 以上謝謝好 謝謝林德胡提案委員的說明現在我們進行詢問先告以下事項 |
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1 尋答時間出席委員6分鐘 出席委員6分鐘 列席委員4分鐘 列席委員4分鐘 委員花言登記於10點半截止 |
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各委員如果有臨時提案請以10點鐘以前提出以便議事人員會診那暫定10點半休息10分鐘現在請登記第一位的洪孟楷委員執行主席謝謝麻煩請陳彥博次長 |
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陳市長好 市長市長過去本席一直強調交通是專業用人為材您也是老交通人所以只要是專業理性的討論我想我們大家都可以用專業來說服專業那請教現在大家國人關注的大眾運輸的部分台鐵跟高鐵哪一個需要專業的人才來做經營管理 |
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我跟委員做說明所有的交通事業的處理呢都一定是要有一定的這個因為他不管是董事長也好或是總經理也好都要專業吧都要有一定的能力這個問題沒有那麼難回答吧不是 他都一定要具有一定的能力來帶領整個公司繼續向前我想這是一定的 |
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所以台鐵之前我們講是說因為他現在是代理董事長那現在已經要補了鄭光源董事長來接任他是一月今年一月才去接任高鐵董事長嘛是的 對不對那鄭董事長我想過去大家也都對於他在大眾運輸也好或是說相關交通專業上來講的話認為是說他是可以為台鐵來做後續的安全維護管理他應該是一個合適的人選 |
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我想鄭董事長在他的專業有沒有問題不管在以往在航空領域或者是在高鐵領域他都會表現有一定的一個專業性非常亮眼嘛 是不是那一樣那鄭董事長跟現在傳出即將接任高鐵的董事長使者哪一個比較專業 |
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我想跟委員報告所有的一個用人每一個人都有他的一個能力來處理他所帶領的一個公司我想所以在這裡用這樣來比較恐怕不是如果說你這樣講的話就沒有相關領域的專業囉一定的一個到了一定程度的領導者 |
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使者要去接任高鐵董事長是誰的決定這個我就可以跟委員做一個說明所有國營事業它都有一定的用人的制度跟一個程序就是有用人制度跟程序所以我們想了解說是誰拍板的委員剛剛特別提到的這個相關的一個程序正在進行中還沒有定案等這個程序完備了以後會來對外說明這兩天我想 |
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名人不說暗話啦媒體大家都已經報導了就是史哲介董事長了嘛有可能改變嗎我想那個程旭宇還在進行那是誰拍板定案政院人士那我想請教說今天是交通部您是次長我本來想要問部長部長沒來我只能問次長但我想請教一下交通管的是所有這些部門嗎 |
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那總是不可能你們不知道高鐵那麼重要的位置董事長結果是一個空降的政委一個過去在文化部文化領域文化領域的部分他表現怎麼樣見仁見智但至少他有在文化領域耕耘 |
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可是現在是完全沒有任何交通背景的部分要來接高鐵董事長您一個老交通人可以接受嗎交通的專業有那麼容易的被取代然後可以讓外界隨便一個空降的人就來空降嗎 |
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我要跟委員做說明的就是所有交通業務的一個推動其實是靠所有這個交通人大家共同努力所以只要在這個團隊裡面的人大概都是我們所稱的交通人那他都一定會發揮他的一個作用和他的一個能力把這每個人直施其職把這樣事情做好所以現在你是要用你過去幾十年的背景來認可一個 |
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過去從來沒有在交通領域的人 然後來到高鐵因為他關大學問大 因為他黨政無敵所以來接了董事長之後 他就變交通人了是這樣嗎我想再一次的跟委員說明就是有沒有看到我們媒體的報導這是今天媒體的報導不懂交通專業 營運專業 憑什麼當上高鐵董做 |
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有前民進黨政府時代的交通部長也講說說清楚用人的原因是現在搭過高鐵就可以當高鐵董事長是不是是全台灣只要有搭過高鐵的人只要有做過服務的做過經濟艙做過自由坐的就可以來當高鐵董事長他憑什麼我想跟委員報告 |
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交通的一個專業上或交通的一個治理上其實是要靠大家共同來努力的所以剛才委員特別提到說有搭過什麼就一定可以我想這個是跟用人是不可以劃分的所以今天大家只要努力我也不用學習什麼專業我只要努力 |
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我不用有相關的背景我要跟委員報告說一個交通團隊的一個代理我這樣其實是覺得蠻遺憾的我們今天是交通委員會我們討論的都是我一直強調在交通委員會裡面沒有媒體是好事情為什麼就代表沒有出事 |
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大眾運輸也不能有任何的出事因為出了事情都不是你我任何人可以承擔得起的但今天那麼噁心把一個董事長專業外行領導內行政治效忠步步高升結果現在空降來了沒有一個交通部的人敢講一句不對欸還要幫他洗地我們今天問的問題我覺得我很公允的問今天他有什麼交通專業指出來 |
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他今天他有什麼長才是我們兩千三百五十萬人有交通博士 交通碩士每一個那麼優質的交通部的人才都沒有辦法接高鐵董事長只有一個外行過去沒有在交通領域服務的人他可以這樣空降來 |
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我想跟委員報告 額後的部長是高鐵或台鐵其實他是董事長 他其實是在做公司治理所以他只要具有能力把公司治理做得很好其實都是很棒的交通人市長是 政委負責督導部會對不對政委依他的權責是的好 現在督導交通部的是誰 是哪一位政委 |
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有各個不同的領域有不同就是不同的業務有不同的政委現在督導交通部是哪一個政委如果是工程的有曾經的政委如果是觀光的是史哲政委是 |
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觀光是使者政委 使者政委下面負責部會是包括文化部 教育部 課委會跟故宮啊它也包含觀光的業務在裡面所以今天現在高鐵你認為高鐵是觀光比交通專業重要就對了呃 我再一次來 非常好市長你這樣子真的是讓本席非常的遺憾啊國人都看在眼裡啦既然你要講專業 你要講董事會現在講是說還沒有通過董事會確定對不對 |
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相關的一個行政的程序還沒有走完那我們就來看一下高鐵網站上面董事會怎麼會辦高鐵的董事會它有相關的公司治理來來來高鐵的網站這是我今天在高鐵網站上面特別找到的董事會治理辦法其中建立本公司董事人才資料庫適時提送董事會審議 |
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我想請教一下史喆什麼時候有被納入高鐵公司董事人才資料庫 |
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我想我要進一步去了解因為是牽涉到高鐵公司的公司治理的部分在這裡我恐怕無法讓我們國人了解一下什麼時候史喆這個名字出現在高鐵董事人才資料庫裡面並且適時提送董事會審議不要告訴我們是這兩天喔 |
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我想如果說前面有董事人選辦法因為這個是董事要互相選出董事你看本公司董事長的選任大股東推薦前要有遴選管理考核要點來指引全面評估檢視確認董事長人選的資格跟相關經驗並且符合公司營運所需能擔任重責遵守用人為財適才是所謂董事長接班規劃之最高原則 |
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這是你高鐵網站上面清清楚楚白紙黑字寫的有零選管理考核要點指引全面評估檢視確認董事長人選的資格跟相關經驗 |
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剛剛討論了半天 使者相關經驗是零啊你用一句說只要努力能夠加入就是交通人來幫他脫罪那就代表說他過去沒有任何相關經驗負責公司營運並且擔任重責 用人為財 私財事所 |
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有嗎首先我跟委員回憶兩個我剛才特別提到就是說所有每一個事任這個公司董事長的都有他其專業不是當然他也一定要努力那另外一個這裡有特別提到高鐵公司的遴選相關的一個規定牽涉到高鐵公司治理 |
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那我也相信高鐵公司一定是依循著這樣的一個他們的一個程序在遴選相關他們的董事而且也會經過高鐵公司的董事會來處理市長看一下本公司108年10月16號還訂立了永續發展跟提名委員會 |
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那也請您回去找一下相關資料告訴國人啊所謂高鐵公司的永續發展接提名委員會啊過去歷屆開會以來有沒有曾經出現過史喆的名字啊有沒有出現過史喆的名字好不好今天讓國人看到說他是一個其實之前就有被討論還是說真的是高層清點只要黨政無敵 |
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有黨政有關係就沒關係沒關係的話大家就慢慢等即便工作了幾十年的交通人今天次長用一句話說你只要加入就是交通人了我也不知道說這樣子的講法以後大家能不能接受會不會打擊為了一個高官升官為了一個有黨政的人升官然後打擊了所有交通部所有交通人的一個信心我工作了十年二十年三十年念了交通博士交通順士運輸所沒有用 |
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你只要你今天加入就可以當作交通人這個就是現在民進黨政府展現的態度跟讓國人看到的一個狀況我今天對任何人都沒有喜好我今天對任何人我對事不對人今天這個人拿的是其他黨的黨政如果沒有交通專業我一樣批評 |
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因為這是很離譜的事情國家高鐵是那麼重要現在大家每天坐有多少人在運輸的高鐵結果治理的公司的董事長居然可以這樣子空降這是國家是女人家欸國家是民進黨欸非常離譜跟荒謬 |
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我想最後還是要跟委員報告就是說所有的相關這個高鐵董事的董事長的一個產生最後還是要尊重高鐵董事會的一個決定還有相關的一個程序現在要推給高鐵董事會就對了沒有 相關的一個程序還是要完成高鐵董事會九名董事有七名是官派的然後現在行政院傳出政院人士講說清點就是使者來當高鐵董事長 |
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這就是民進黨政府給國人看到的交通專業謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝洪孟愷委員的執行現在請李坤澤委員執行 |
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謝謝趙偉 請一下陳次長陳次長我特別提醒一下針對問題來回答不然的話這樣時間會拖得很長 |
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市長好我們今天要討論的主要是針對入口的交通事故它其實我們看相關的數據它是很嚴重的一個道安的一個危險的熱區我們交通部今年1至3月我們有針對入口的事故造成的死亡人數是達到310人 |
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行人的入口事故受傷人數達到2390人高齡者的入口事故受傷的人數更是高達11320人我們也針對相關的行人穿越道這些入口也推動相關的這種行人穿越道的安全庇護島但是涉難安全庇護島之外我們看看近期 |
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設置這些庇護島之後有一些重大事故的整理你也看到相關的數據這還是新聞媒體有報導的我們做一個簡單的整理為什麼入口發生這麼多重大的這些事故造成傷亡這麼嚴重那我們在設置安全庇護島之後又發生這麼多的智障的一個事件來市長簡單說明一下 |
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我想跟委員報告這些的一個案例裡頭當然除了設置上會有一些需要在相關工程的上應該要再檢討之外我想整體的用路人的一個使用可能要一起考驗 |
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我認為必須要更具體的第一個我認為應該參考成效良好的這些交通安全的改善設計我們要建立這種改善範本來建議來做一個採用那例如庇護島的設計的這些範本我們也要考慮是可以建立高度或者是應該要有反光的設計或是要有防撞的設計等等 |
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來 市長簡單說明一下我想跟委員說明一下有關委員建議的這樣要有一個推動範本是很好的一個建議那在現行本部的交通工程規範或內政部的市區道路的相關規範裡頭都已經有明確的規定了要求設置像反觀導標 標誌的危險的標記或路障道路線等等的 |
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那當然這些呢因為已經有相關的規範那相關縣市上使用上或許還不是很了解那這部分呢我們會來建議相關的一個指引當然施工最主要是各地縣市政府那交通部有這個責任製作相關的指引跟規範讓各地縣市政府回來做參考 |
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另外一個就是要加強教育宣導我們要避免這些駕駛的不良習慣所造成的這些嚴重的車禍我們要建立良好的駕駛文化那部分的駕駛他們有一些不好的駕駛習慣例如違規的這種轉向或進行的壓線甚至是未依規定減速等等這些嚴重的問題長久的這種錯誤的駕駛觀念跟行為那 |
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我們對於這種安全的設施的識別宣傳啊必須要加強來說明一下是我想委員剛才特別提到就是駕駛人在行進這個入口的時候啊盡量有大家俗稱的所謂切西瓜的一個現象啊那那這種情形呢所以我們現在在很多的庇護島我們都會搭配入口的呃行車呃導引線所以呢而後我們會大概會加強的宣導呃這個駕駛朋友到了這個除了要加強宣導之外我們這種 |
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安全庇護導致臨時的識別的裝置跟指揮的人力這個部分也要加強宣導跟訓練我們針對改善完成的這些路口必須要加強識別性的這種 |
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或者是臨時性的這種引導的措施這個必須要去做處理例如說改善完成入口擺設三角錐等等這樣的一個處理另外我們跟警政署跟地方政府也要加強合作就是說針對這些駕駛因為他的駕駛習慣不良所造成的這些事故我們必須針對這些熱區 |
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要加派這種臨時性的這樣的一個指揮的人力加強宣導跟勸導這個部分讓民眾能夠去了解相關路況改變的這種狀況 |
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市長說明一下是那委員這個建議呢我想尤其是在很多設施剛做好了或者是有時候相關的一個設施也會有在那邊做相關的交通工程所以有關人力的一個指揮或是三角錐的放置甚至照明等等的我想我們大概都會配套來做好因為我們推動交通安全不是說光靠罰單或是光靠一個相關的 |
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工程的一個改善就能夠提升交通安全這個次長也很清楚我們必須針對啊交通的改善工程針對教育宣導還有執法管理所謂的三一的這三個方面去具體的跟中央地方縣市政府要統一合作那這樣的一個才能做全面性的來提升相關的交通安全這個部分次長在跟你時間說明 |
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我想委員剛才特別提到不管有關工程教育執法監理等的面向也就是在這裡頭特別提到的希望提升國人的交通安全的文化這部分其實是交通部近幾年來一直持續在努力的而且我們也透過道路的交通安全 |
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州或績等等的方式來宣導那這部分我們大概會結合地方跟各縣市政府大家共同來議市長我要最後時間我們來質詢更重要更嚴肅的一個議題都是一樣重要的交通安全的議題那交通部統計無照駕駛的人次在2024年達到28萬人次 |
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2022年的時候有31萬人次都是很嚴重那2024年無照駕駛的因素我們分為兩類第一個他就是沒有領駕駛執照這樣的有達到177974人次佔比62%那吊銷 |
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吊住銷駕照的這種駕車也有101723人次這個占比達到35.63那無照駕駛的累犯件數跟人數在5年內 |
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2023年累犯件數是21萬6622件那累犯人數也高達14萬5318人這很嚴重市長我們交通部針對無照駕駛現在有什麼具體的一個規範 |
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我想謝謝委員特別的一個提醒對這個的提醒無照駕駛確實是最近我們看到有它的嚴重性所以我們大概分幾塊第一塊是大家比較關切的就是說相關的一個處罰所以今天也有很多委員大概都提出所以我們在這個相關的處罰裡頭大原則上是比照酒駕原則上我們會針對無照駕駛 汽車 機車來分別予以處罰然後另外 |
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提高罰則當然是一個提升安全的一個重要防範的手段但是我有幾個具體的建議第一個我們要建立對於吊扣吊銷駕照者的這種追蹤的機制要提起他們要重新考照第二個我們目前好像只有針對未成年無照駕駛進行講習是不是 |
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成年的部分除了開罰之外是不是也要進行講習來說明一下應該也有一起的只是未成年的時候他的肩負人要一起參加講習相關的這些規範那必須要更具體的去提升這樣防範無照駕駛的不管他是未成年或者是他被調註銷的這些駕照的這些累犯 |
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非常嚴重每天大概有10萬或是10萬以上的這種無照駕駛人在街上這樣亂竄這是非常嚴肅的議題必須更具體的防範以上是好謝謝委員的指教我們會來努力好謝謝李昆哲委員的執行現在請黃國昌總召執行 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請次長好 陳次長委員好次長好最近國人非常關心的事情是不是只要有黨政就可以當高鐵董事長 |
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史喆先生他所引發的爭議我相信今天各大媒體市長都有看到我只問一個簡單的問題史喆是有什麼交通專業 |
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我想跟委員報告有關這個高鐵或台鐵的一個用人相關的一個程序目前正在進行中那進行中 奇怪中央社說行政院已經核定了所以中央社放假新聞嗎他有 他只是他有相關的一個程序程序還沒有我先一步一步來那個市長市長請你針對問題回答好嗎是的 |
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第一個行政院核定沒有相關的一個程序還在進行中所以中央社講的不對嘛那不對啊那你們交通部看到中央社的新聞就要趕快發聲明搞澄清啊說程序還有進行啊行政院沒有核定啊 |
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程序都還在進行啊我想跟委員報告因為他有報核的程序還有核定退文的程序等等的所以程序完成沒有完成沒有所以現在程序完成沒有我們了解今天裡頭應該可以完成所以就是確定要完成嗎相關的程序還在進行中沒關係啦如果媒體報導有錯誤的話有的時候未必是故意要寫假新聞嘛 |
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因為有的時候行政院的人是不負責任的對外面匿名放話所以已經核定了你如果說是其他媒體也就算了我看的是中央社的新聞啊中央社說行政院已經核定了啊那今天次長在這邊澄清說行政院還沒有核定非常的好啊 |
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如果還沒有核定的話我要跟委員報告的是相關的一個程序還在進行這個話你講三次了嘛所以我就問你最關鍵的問題嘛行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有請問市長行政院核定了沒有目前的程序還在進行中所以行政院核定了沒有 |
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這個程序還在進行所以還在進行 沒有核定嘛 對嗎這個程序還在進行OK好 沒關係啊 程序還在進行 那我們就等著看嘛等著看我們的民進黨政府怎麼做決定嘛高鐵的公會說什麼對專業經理人的侮辱啊連民進黨的立委自己都講 這當然是仇庸啊 |
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社會上面反彈這麼大如果民進黨政府的心態是只要有黨政只要派系對只要後台硬我就是要讓他高鐵董事長台灣人民要怎麼樣基本上展現出來的傲慢心態就是這個樣子嘛 |
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好啦沒關係進入我今天要問的主題發生很多交通事故駕駛人當然會有駕駛人訓練整套的問題道路設計也是大家關心的我最近接到陳情說陽梅休息站設計不良三年十三起車禍七死二十三傷因為我接到這個檢舉了以後我一定會去查證 |
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那我看了三年十三起車禍七十二十三傷這個比例非常非常高這等於是在整個高速公路休息站裡面造成死傷人數的道路設計這個是最高的有八件自撞分隔島那我們繼續往下看 |
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那我不看抽象的統計數據啊我看具體的案子2015年1月發生四死車禍那時候開始有人質疑道路設計有問題高工局說路口路線設計及交通設施均符合規範這是高工局當初的說明嘛結果你們說明完了以後3月再度發生擦撞分得倒的車禍那個時候啊非常關心台灣道路設計 |
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的一些民間人士就出來罵他說我們高工局原來改善的方式就是立牌子家裡有地雷政府不幫你拆還立了牌子說有地雷危險 |
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我忠實的把人家對我們交通部的批評把他轉入上來然後他也說這個事實上就是有問題哪有開一開突然出現突起的分隔島壓迫車道的啦國道警察也說有問題了就是不敢寧願立牌子來針對陽梅休息站這個被長期批評的道路設計高工局有沒有打算要進一步改善 |
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跟委員報告在我們目前來講檢視的部分是一切符合規範但是我們在做強化設施的部分我們有在增加做什麼強化設施包括我們整個一個標線的部分從那個減速標線開始我們是唯一做好了沒有有做好了什麼時候做的 |
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有些是今年年初做有些是去年就十一月已經做完了去年有做今年年初有做結果三月四死車禍一月四死車禍三月再度發生車禍你覺得做的有成效嗎以這些來看的話我目前看到就是說我們一直在強調說進戶戶區不管是這個戶區或者其他戶區其他戶區也有撞這個情形也發生 |
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有像陽梅這麼頻繁的嗎根委報告 陽梅他現在講說三年多已經超過一千萬輛車次了那經過那個地方 大概都是你們還是覺得沒有問題我們認為是說輔助駕駛的部分是會有相當的一個影響來 我們來看一下水泥分隔島前應該施做碰撞防護測試這是高速公路交通工程手冊上面講的我講的沒有錯嗎 |
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來 我們來看一下發生事故的分隔島 這個水泥分隔島左手邊的這個照片 局長應該很熟嘛那我們的防撞測試就在上面加幾個桶子喔對 這個是規範所以這個就符合你們的分隔島前 應該是做碰撞防護措施就是加這幾個桶子喔然後加這幾個桶子以後 實際上面是什麼一樣撞到後面啊 |
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報告委員如果是他在正常的速度在符合速限的規範之下速度的問題齁我等一下馬上帶你們看再往下看來我們來看一下其他地方的分隔島護欄末端的處理漸變式碰撞防護設施這是左手邊的圖啊然後國一北上264公里處碰撞防護設施實際的案子長得像這個樣子 |
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不管是採用哪一種設計形式啊沒有一種設計形式是像楊梅這麼喊的前面放幾個桶子就算了報告委員我們是依照整個一個道路條件去做啦包括日本也是這樣的處理是所以你覺得這樣子是OK的沒有關係嘛你今天在這邊我其實是善意提醒你們啦有這樣的批評啊放這幾個桶子我看了我也是覺得很喊的啦 |
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這個叫做道路防撞測試然後我看其他的例子就不是這樣子設計的嘛你們當初的設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是 你們當初的施工設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是嗎是嗎來來來這個是你們一開始的時候我把原始標案陽梅休息站興建工程標案它的設計圖說我把它調出來看了你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方 |
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你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方紅色圈圈那個地方就一直發生車禍的啦然後你們前面放幾個桶子啊然後他們後面的設計圖應該要做成這個樣子漸進式的你們後來有去check這個圖說跟實際的設施是一樣的嗎 |
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各位報告我們現在目前來講我們要做的是要保護後方的停車場請你針對問題回答嘛因為你又跟我講說符合規範那我就很擔心啊如果這樣都符合規範的話那我們那個規範是不是形同句文第二個你跟我說有按照圖說那我去調了圖出來嘛我調了圖出來跟你們現場的狀況就不一樣啊這個就是漸進式的啊那你們前面是什麼前面就 |
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水泥突然高 前面放幾個桶子那這個跟設計圖說不一樣啊還是我理解有錯誤 |
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我們要花一個時間去因為現在是在立法院的委員會的會議室所以我只能調圖說給你看還是我們要辦一次會館到現場去看我這樣講好了啦同樣一個地方一而再再而三出了這麼多死傷車禍我們拿實際的圖說來跟委員再做一個報告所以這不是實際的圖說 |
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根本報告我們現在來講就是說所有的斜面的部分混凝土紐澤西護欄的部分我們現在是改直立的啦剛剛委員看到那個有斜下來就是說前面那個那個藍布的那個路段它是鋼板護欄的部分它是有放下來沒有關係啦每個地方都是條件的限制我再跟你們講一次啦你們要在這邊堅持到時候就大家來檢驗了 |
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從去年開始講一而再再而三的發生今年一月也發生三月也發生今天你如果在國會還是這樣子堅持的話從我們監督的角度啦我言則已經盡了啦後來出了事情看誰要負責然後最後你剛剛有提到速率的問題嘛來我們看一下半徑27米的閘道設計速率的時數是多少 |
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報委員那個地方齁我們這個數率50是前段的部分後段的部分進服務區他就是應該是減數就是30的在哪裡這個是我現場拍的圖啊這我現場拍的照片啊這個是在前面對啊那你30在哪裡你30在哪裡30的部分是在彎進去之後那個地方對啊啊你彎進去以後你看得到喔你彎進去以後你看得到喔 |
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那個次長你看一下照片好不好你有看到一個五十尺嗎你有沒有看到一個三十尺你說彎進去以後就看得到等到彎進去我就撞到了根本沒辦法 他在前面的部分是還符合的進去的部分我們會再做一個處理你們如果還是用 |
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本來守舊故不自封的心態這個就為什麼解釋了同樣一個路段一而再再而三發生事故有很多在倡議台灣 |
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有關於道路設計、標線設計、號誌設計跟國外相比落後非常多的朋友都已經大聲疾呼了都已經大聲疾呼了今天我是因為接到了檢舉我下去了解人家檢舉的都有道理這不是單一事件你如果說單一事件你自己喝太多水 |
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超速去攏到那個是駕駛人百分之百的責任但一而再再而三的這樣子發生我希望啦高工局你們要聽得下去外界給你們好的建議該改的地方要改是 我們會來再做一個評估OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝黃國昌總召的執行 |
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特別跟大會來做報告也就是稍等一下習富奎委員執行完畢我們要處理臨時提案我們要處理臨時提案所以特別跟大家報告一下現在請陳樹葉委員執行 |
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好 謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳次長好 來 陳次長 |
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市長早安 今天委員會就是針對道路交通管理處罰條例的修正草案進行詢問目前因為最近發生很多的交通事故主要就是高齡駕駛還有無照駕駛造成的交通事故所以也引起國人很高的關注 |
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所以也導致有很多委員對這相關的法令的一個關心那今天本席想針對無照駕駛這個部分跟次長就是來請教因為我們知道根據統計就是目前每年約40萬件的交通事故當中就有5萬件是無照駕駛的案件 |
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那平均每年造成600多人的死亡就是60000多人受傷是酒駕量乘這個車禍事故量乘死傷的6倍那我們根據警政署的一個統計就是無照駕駛裁判的統計在112年裁判的案件有316981件那去年113年裁判是281107件 |
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那剛剛我們有聽到昆澤委員也針對這個議題在關心就是說這個部分也分成就是說有領駕照跟未領駕照的一個部分個別的一個數字就是未領駕照有17萬多那吊銷吊扣的有10萬多那還有包括就是吊銷吊扣之後無照駕駛的累犯的一個數字也都是居高不下那針對這個問題當然我們有些就是 |
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委員主張就是說要加重一個罰則那在這邊本席先請教一下就是這邊交通部有沒有什麼想法我簡單說明如果委員還要更細一點的我再請林市長來做說明原則上呢我們大概精神會比照這裡有特別提到跟酒駕來相比所以會跟參考酒駕的立法例我們會區分汽車機車 |
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然後無照駕駛的情形給予不同處罰的額度然後另外還會有對於累犯然後來加重而且是仿照酒駕沒有上限的方式來設計那駕照的本身也會有吊扣的一個期限各種不同的期限甚至到終身不得考照那內部車輛我們會就是當場一致保管然後也會有一些吊扣的牌照的處理 |
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那最終呢當然我們也有所謂併法就是說那個所有人的車輛也要如果不是駕駛人本人的時候他也要有相關的一個罰款的一個處理我想大概用這樣的方式來比照酒駕看能不能對這個無照的駕駛能夠有一定的一個嚇阻 |
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是 那就是我們看到就是說被吊銷吊扣駕照之後就是無照駕駛的這個就是累犯也是居高不下那針對這種狀況到底我們要加重這個罰則就能夠來解決這個問題嗎我想這個我們可能要再去做一個深度或者是廣泛的一個思考就是是不是我們也要去針對就是說造成無照駕駛 |
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的一些狀態類型是不是可以做一些分析然後從源頭去思考要怎樣來解決來降低這個無照駕駛的一個件數因為會造成無照駕駛當然就是說他們違規然後可能就是違反了道交條例的相關的一些規定之後然後被吊銷了駕照那吊銷駕照之後 |
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事實上就是說這些駕駛人因為有生計的一個問題或者交通的需求或者是公共運輸不夠便利所以他們只好就是抱著僥倖的心態挺而走險就是 |
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就是繼續無照駕駛只要在這個吊扣吊銷的期間他能夠就是沒有違反規定或者是就是沒有發生事故的話他可能就是這樣子僥倖的度過了那個期間然後吊銷吊扣駕照期間到了 |
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就可以再重新領召當然這種抱著僥倖的心態也是不可取不過這個也就是一個因果循環真的就是可能什麼原因造成他有違規的一個部分所以我是建議說我們有沒有針對這些無照駕駛的這些違規案件有沒有去做過分析透過大數據的分析就是說大概是 |
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因為什麼樣的類型的那個違規造成他們叫駕照被調扣做過分析之後再針對這樣子的一個法令是不是需要再檢討的部分是不是可以這樣子做 |
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這個部分我再跟委員這個報告一下就是委員所提到的是真正這個防止無照駕駛的一個重點第一個無照駕駛我們現在廣泛所稱的無照駕駛包括從來沒有領過駕照的那第二個部分是駕照被吊銷被註銷這個輪駕駛那第三個部分是這一個就是說這一個吊扣期間輪駕駛那另外第五種是屬於這個有機車駕駛執照去開機車 |
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那這個部分 部裡面確實是有分析第一個部分就是按機車跟汽車哪一個這個種類這個無照駕駛比較多那第二個部分就是按這個年齡這個未滿18歲的那這個18歲到這個64歲的那65歲 |
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這個以上的大概都有做這些相關的一個分析啦所以那這一次法令面的部分這是有提出來這一個就是說這一個就是說累犯這一個無上限的部分其實那個部分大概主要是針對這一個就是說應該是零有駕駛執照但是駕照被吊銷因為酒駕貨等的部分然後後面這個東西所以整盤的部分的話除了法規的修正面那其他的部分交通部跟公務局都有在做研議的配套 |
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對 因為就是說針對交通安全 因為我們一再談的嘛 就是要回歸到這個四一嘛 就是教育啊還有這個工程啊 還有就是監理法規應該都是要併重的啦 因為我們就是說如果針對法律面一直在加重可是源頭的部分 我們或相關的層面沒有去改善或者是就是做一些調整的話 我想這個案件還是會一直這樣子的 |
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居高不下所以這個部分我們就是來再講到一個這是違規的一個部分就是當然就是駕駛人他們違規的時候有一個申訴的一個管道我想這是對駕駛人的一個權利的一個保障 |
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就是會導致到後來他被吊銷或吊扣可能就是一些違規件數的一個累積之後被吊銷吊扣那其中有一個樣態就是跟市長這邊討論就是說像這個超速的部分超速的部分我們駕駛人可以提出申訴 |
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那最近就是說有一種狀況就是這個在蔡議委員他也曾經召開過記者會就是針對這個連結車的駕駛他被這個就是雷達測速拍照拍到說他超速了可是他的行車紀錄器啊顯示是沒有超速的 |
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可是在這種狀況下舉發單位都都不承認以至於說要走上這個行政訴訟啊走法院其實這對駕駛人也是一個折騰可是目前有一個其實已經有兩個案例了然後最近一個很新的案例也是最近在5月份5月19號已經判決來撤銷他的罰單的就是一個 |
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台塑貨運夜行司機這個駕駛它被舉發違規超速可是它的行車紀錄器其實事實上只有72公里所以在這個部分就是說本席要講的就是有關這個行車紀錄器它的證據力到底我們交通部這邊要怎樣來保障這個行車紀錄器的一個證據力然後來保障駕駛人的一個權利 |
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是 報告委員 委員所提到的這幾個案例的部分我我自己有找這個就是檢控署還報告法務部大家有共同來做這個演唱那這個第一點的部分就是說這個就是違規人只要能夠提出包括這一個就是說行車紀錄器我們俗稱的大餅或者是說這個因為導航都有GPS這些相關的部分只要能夠提出相關證據這一個這一個到這個來提出申訴的話這個處理機關都應該要受理 |
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那因為相關的證據他都要處於來做這個檢視那另外一個部分的話大概這邊就提到一個部分因為這個東西是相對因為這個就是說行車紀錄器他是紀錄瞬間然後這個GPS基本上大概也是這樣子的一個部分但是測速照相他是這個固定點然後相關有些東西是時間的部分這個比對就必須要去做這個檢核但是裡面會有一個課題 |
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這個我也請這個警政署那邊大概也有作為檢討說如果說在一處這個固定測速的這個東西常常有這樣子違規的案件那回過頭來就要是這個看一下本身這個測速系統是不是有相同 |
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我當然這個檢控署所有的測試系統都用每年去送標準去做驗證但是這種數位的東西這個基本上還是會有一些可能萬一啦所以只要有這樣的東西上次已經有請檢控署只要有這樣子一個趨勢跟現象的部分一定是先回過頭來這一個看我們自己的一個系統那如果說確實系統有問題等等的部分那以往處理這些相關舉報的部分就要從寬來做一個處理 |
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對這個駕駛要遵守這個交通法令這個是一定的那不過就是說像這種狀況發生的時候也是會涉及到駕駛人的一個權益因為這個如果說他申訴不過的話可能就會導致他之後如果說又犯了一次或累犯 |
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它可能就會導致它的這個駕照被吊銷或吊扣吊扣的這樣的狀態所以我要講的就是說這個很多的結果我們要去推因就是說到底這個違規或者是這個案件的一個發生我們也要去合理的去了解之後然後才能夠來下降就是降低這樣子的一個無照的一個狀況 |
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然後讓我們的交通能夠更安全好 就這樣謝謝委員好 謝謝陳樹葉委員的執行樹葉你要不要先坐一下好 現在我們就更正我們現在來處理臨時提案現在請議事論言宣讀第一案 |
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臨時提案一交通部於5月20日宣布駕照管理將有三大變革預計三個月內會有細部規劃希望明年就可推動高齡換照新措施然而高齡駕駛制度要上路前應考量偏鄉地區交通資源稀缺長者無大眾交通運輸可當 |
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請交通部預頒布高齡駕駛換照新措施 且應完整考量偏鄉地區交通及經濟因素提出完整制相關配套 使得推行高齡換照新措施 並於兩個月內先行提出針對偏鄉長者自交通替代方案報告 提案人委員徐富奎等 宣讀完畢好來那個請問主管機關有沒有意見 |
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跟趙偉報告最後一行這個建議就是說替代這個方案報告增加兩個字就是替代方案溯源報告這個部分大概有跟這個徐委員報告過徐委員這邊也同意好 徐委員跟陳委員有沒有意見 |
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有沒有沒有好那我們這個本提案修正通過那臨時提案處理完畢如有委員對以上數提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報現在繼續執行我們請徐護魁委員執行 |
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謝謝主席有請我們陳次長陳次長委員好市長早市長針對最近這個大陸的電動車的製造廠BRD他準備積極拓展海外市場甚至瞄準台灣要進軍甚至要用這個低價策略來促銷不曉得交通部有沒有介紹相關的一個訊息 |
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我們是不是請林市長來做說明報告委員這個課題大概這個報宅也有提到國內代理商可能就是說比亞底據我所了解的部分大概就是說大陸廠牌比亞底可能在泰國設廠那國內代理商有這個代理的一個意願那這個東西涉及到因為現行的規定是大陸整車這一個不得經好那這個部分的話包括這個經濟部這邊大概都很密切關注這樣子的這個課題 |
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那在行政部門之間內部大概也有跨部會的這個會議在延長這個相關的一個這個事宜這個交通部已經知道這一點我想我們還是要特別再提醒交通部現在我們掌握到的訊息也是他們透過這個泰國製造的部分達到一個息產力的一個效果那我想過去中國很多的產品已經透過東南亞的一個這樣的一個模式來運作那把東西都這樣請銷到台灣來 |
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對我們產業造成非常大的一個衝擊面那我想我們交通部有一個車輛安全審驗的一個管理辦法那相關的規範我想應該交通部要更嚴格來做一個處理啦市長這部分有沒有辦法來達成 |
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我想跟我委員做一個說明整個車輛的一個進口其實是有好幾個環節那原則上所有行政機關大家會共同努力那當然我們這裡有車輛行駛安全審驗辦法那交通部也會配合相關單位大家共同來防範這樣的一個稀產地的事情來發生 |
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市長 我想我們還是要積極跟經濟部這幾個部位來發布我們一定跟經濟部來合作是 必要的時候應該要提出相關的一個反制措施我們就要下去解決 不能讓他們這樣我了解整個行政院有在處理 是對 要不然這個我想這個也是一個很嚴重的國安問題那是不是這個部分麻煩交通部在一個月之內提出一個書面報告給我們辦公室好不好沒問題 沒問題 |
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那另外我想另外一個很嚴重的問題就是這個除了比亞底之外中華汽車一直也受到我們這個習產地的一個影響尤其像英國的一個汽車品牌MG也遭到中國大陸的收購那裕隆他們也透過這樣的一個模式這個在台灣做一個行銷的一個策略那不曉得江東部隊這個部分有沒有掌握相關的訊息 |
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這個幫我跟委員報告有關於這個像這個中華汽車生產在台灣組裝MG的這個部分交通部應該在去年開始就跟這個經濟部充分這個合作那有關於這個在台組裝的這些在地化的一個比例那這個產發署這邊有一個規定那這個交通部在後端在他們受理來申請審議的時候我們逐一都會去做確認而且必須要確認產發署同意的這個文件 |
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目前有問題嗎目前的部分我知道說有車險是符合經濟部管制的一個規定這個部分的話原則上就是說我們後端的審驗的部分都要足以一定要經過經濟部同意之後才能夠到我們這邊來申請審驗 |
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我想我們台灣自己對於這個電動車的一個部分我想我們也應該要支持這樣一個國產的一個目標但是到目前為止國發會奠定的目標2030年要達到電動機車35%的新車佔比這個 |
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市長我們這部分我們有信心嗎 距離這樣的時間點雖然我們的民眾很支持 但是看起來銷售的狀況不是很理想這部分我們要怎麼樣 交通部要怎麼樣來強化這樣的一個市佔率的一個提升 |
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跟副委員報告一下整個這個運氣電動化戰略區的部分是由交通部來做組織來做組織啦但是相關這個合作的部位包括經濟部包括環境部包括是對對那有關於這個電動機車的部分確實跟陳副委員所提到的部分在這個去年跟今年目標因為受到這個燃油車這個薛價競爭的一個這個部分那還有一些這個電池交換使用的一個課題確實這個目標 |
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都還必須要這個努力那這個部分的話我們已經跟廠方署廠方署這邊相關的補助規定還有相關的一個這個就是說譬如說這個工業區要興建那有一些相關有在地區加碼做補助的部分我們都有跟這些廠方署這邊持續來檢討對啦 尤其是我們偏鄉你就沒有那個交換站可以往電梯上面 裡面都那裡有這個廠方署這邊有規劃所以我們要自己來做一個盤點跟規劃嘛是是是 |
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我會來跟經濟部來共同合作啦我想我們這個我們也是要往前來推進啦這個畢竟這個是盡力環保的一個很重要的一個意思是是是是好那次長我想今天審查這個吊膠倒膠條例本席也提出一個議題哈那因為我們近期高雄市有一位行人過馬路的時候並沒有禮讓執勤中的一個救護車甚至還對這個 |
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駕駛比中止所以我想這部分我們認為這樣子是很不好的一個行為那但是交通部的回應是根據我們的道交條例第78條可以罰500塊但是我認為這樣罰得太低啦應該是我們要來強制是不是比照這個汽車駕駛如果阻擋的話處罰3600的部分交通部能不能認同這樣的一個提案 |
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我想跟委員報告來確保這個救護車在執行他任務的時候的一個行車的一個順暢我想這個是應該是不管是交通部也好或國人高度的一個共識但是有關這個罰還額度是不是過低應該要提高這部分呢其實我們交通部是尊重整個這個立法院大家審議的一個結果好我想我們還是要確保我們這樣的一個安全的一個環境是是是 |
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那剛剛本市有提了一個臨時提案就是針對我們當然針對最近的這個高齡駕駛的一些問題產生但是我們還是要幫我們整個的團隊是要講這句話啦他們不是喜歡開車不是喜歡騎車是因為我們的大眾交通運輸 |
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這沒方便 小黃公車也沒方便所以逼著他們自己一定要自己開車 騎車上路這不是不能歸咎於他們所以我們才會要求說在這樣子的一個狀況之下應該全面來盤點我們所有的一個運輸的一個機制 |
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因為有方便的車公車很多有小玩公車很多大家有什麼要自己做的事情很危險我們都知道問題是他們是無奈的啊他們要處理賣菜看醫生就是必須要靠自己吧所以我們這部分我們要求交通部要趕快來做盤點那甚至我們最近聽到的我們的客運業者 |
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有一條1613路線台北到屏東也申請停駛我想這些對於這個整個屏東的交通平權我想我們都希望能夠逐步來提升但是目前高鐵南沿屏東要2039年才完成那我們的巴士的部分能不能再增加一個這樣的一個運輸的量能不然我們就剩1吋鐵路而已這樣對我們很不公平部長這部分是不是可以來做協調 |
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有關這個是不是停止的申請我想那個公路局大概應該有跟業者做相關的協討那部裡頭的基本的立場就是民眾的基本民行的這部分是要確保的那是不是有其他的替代的方案或者是行使其他的路線來取代代替等等的我想這個公路局後續他們會去來做處理 |
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對 除了這個之外 長途之外 甚至我們過去因為這客運業 因為也因為虧損的問題所以包含我們有時候恆春半島一些偏鄉 這區間的一些 它也沒要開啊這實際上對我們是很不公平的是 這部分我們請公路局去了解一下 然後看怎麼樣來這個是一個責任 不是一個用利益來交換的一個條件嘛 |
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所以我剛才講說基本民行的確保這是交通部的既定的一個政策跟方向我們會請公路局本這樣的一個原則來做相關的規劃好 所以我想像我們5月5號我們交通委員會有到屏東考察那當時是您帶隊我們這個屏東線的單車國道的這一段路面受損非常的嚴重那我想這次當中也有承諾這個部分我們優先處理那經過一個月了這個案好像還沒有核定 |
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這部分呢 我想車公路局 相關的程序正在處理處理完 進速報到部裡頭 我們會進速來核定這個我想這個行人的交通安全 我們很重視這個單車騎士的安全 也要重視要不然你騎一騎 抱著要申請國賠 你也會去啦是是是 要儘處理啦我們會加速相關核定的一個程序什麼時候可以完成 給我們一個答案好不好 |
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跟委員報告就是四月份的時候大概就是縣府修完然後我們南分局大概也有報局了我們會這個加速來審查然後儘速在在一個月內我們會報報布這樣子好 一個月啊我們報布啦我們把我們的審查的結果報布各位同志顧嗎 次郎 |
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我們盡快來來來來核定啊是我想這個加速加速來處理加速來努力了好謝謝好謝謝行務委員現在我們休息十分鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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嗯嗯 |
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法定人數不足 |
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副總裁 |
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好 各位請就座來好 現在請何欣淳委員執行好 謝謝 今天特別謝謝趙偉剛剛休息10分鐘 那我們請次長好 請陳次長 |
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市長好市長我想我們曾經共同推動這個微型電動二輪車的一個強制納管從法規的修改到制度的建立那甚至呢到這個所謂的過渡期宣導期那在去年12月正式的來上路強制納管那市長這個你認為已經正式納管半年了 |
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你認為我先講我的看法我當初我主張要強制納管就是因為我提案說在我們實際的一個交通道路狀況上面很多的微型電動二輪車常常發生事故尤其有很多的外籍移工這個 |
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來到台灣他們可能的第一部車是所謂的微型電動二輪車那過去常常有發生過事故糾紛那肇事可能是肇逃或者是事後的賠償常常在這個地方上發生爭議那不知道該怎麼處理跟面對所以我認為其中一個解方就是應該要強制納管那來掛牌上路那現在做了我認為是對的因為我下一頁 |
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我現在看到的這個報導跟我當初的想像我覺得有一點不太一樣我不知道這個數據當然我們可以再來討論就我台中市我得到的數據台中市自己市區台中市的境內的微型電動二輪車的事故發生率是有降低的 |
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但是以我現在看到的公視跟道安總動員裡面的報告裡面全國的微型電動二輪車的事故是往上提升的事故的發生數是年年增 |
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那這個我不知道次長或是交通部有沒有掌握那尤其呢在我們現在看到的這個表上國高中生跟高齡者的事故數是提高那尤其國高中生的一個事故數又是比例又更高次長你知道這件事嗎可以請我們黃司長說明一下 |
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來 市長跟委員報告 基本上就如同委員所說的現在就是自從微型電動用車開放以後因為它的使用數量也增加所以事故的那種數量就跟著游行那我可以請問一下嗎 在我搜尋到的數據裡面的大安總動員裡面的數據裡面有包含這個新住民或者是外籍移工的事故發生數嗎 |
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這個資料基本上是偷偷的加總起來的要的話要細分啦 要再去細分要再細分是不是我現在要提這個問題就是當時我們認為應該要建立制度強制納管要掛牌就是希望能夠呢第一個我們知道車流的一個流量第二個我們能夠掌握人車是對比的起來我找到車子我可以找到人 |
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第三個我們認為有強制的納保起碼在事故發生的時候能夠給予一定的保障我想這個本來利益良善而且現在也確實在執行不過我再提醒我們在這個法規制度面裡面新購買的你一定要強制納保跟掛牌上路 |
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以前在我們法規修法之前已經存在的我們是用鼓勵性質的那次長我們現在在修法之前既存的就有的微型電動二輪車的一個掛牌納保我們現在掌握的數據是多少公共總局說我們是有25萬的這個那全台灣你們掌握數我們的微型電動二輪車大概有幾輛 |
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有掛牌跟沒掛牌跟委員報告因為就是說有掛牌的現在就是之前就是使用中的都我們要求就是都要強制都要掛牌這當然知道這所以你好掌握數量去年12月之後的話就是說如果說他沒有掛牌的話其實他這個就是已經是違法那違法的車輛其實因為有些以前微型電動二輪車他使用有一些壽命所以他有一些部分其實是他有可能會報廢 |
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我是建議交通部應該要再更細向的去掌握狀況因為剛剛的回答就讓我知道說事實上我們只有掛牌的新購的車輛已經來強制納管的當然你可以精準的掌握數字這也是當初修法要有這個法規制度的一個最重要的目的但是我也必須要再講那沒有 |
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在修法之後如期掛牌納保的還有沒有寄存的到底全台灣的微型電動二輪車到底數量有多少這個就是我們有沒有辦法從源頭去掌握整個大數據 |
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我為什麼要求源頭掌握第一個你才能夠清楚的知道全台灣到底有多少的在路上的微型電動二輪車第二個你不是只有放任性的有稽查到有事故發生我才可以掌握如果沒有的話你可以去我們中南部的路上去走一走看一看 |
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有許許多多的未掛牌的或者是變形的微型電動二輪車在路上走那這些都是在我們現在在討論交通安全不管是行人安全也好或是我們道路設計的路口安全也好那你如果沒有辦法實實在在的掌握在路上到底有哪些交通運具在行駛那你怎麼去 |
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修 調整我們的道路規範還有說你要講的這個交通安全的整體的一個推動次長你懂我的意思嗎這個在我們中南部 我想你去走一趟就會看得到耶那整個很多耶 |
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我應該特別提到微型電動二輪車納管其實我們有一定的當時的一個目標那現在又特別提到說使用中的既有的是怎麼樣在處理我想這一部分麻煩請公務局跟那個地方的縣市政府還有警察單位大家再去討論一下如何去做一些像稽查 |
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以前剛開始要納管的時候也對於那些店家啦或者是這個有去宣導過嘛對不對源頭的一些處理或者是工廠啊等等的去做相關的宣導甚至是去做開發我想可能還是需要再一波的我們希望去輔導 |
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我希望你去輔導我希望你去源頭能夠掌握那我們希望在路上都是合法的微型電動二輪車那我們針對的這個電動二輪車在道路行駛上的一個安全問題我們很關注那尤其我們14歲以上就可以 |
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騎這個微型電動二輪車他14歲以上就我剛剛講的國高中生國高中生呢他的這個事故比例看起來是年年而且比例爬升的很快那所以我為什麼要你精準的去掌握呢是因為我們要對症下藥所以我接下來最後 稍微再給我死顏色囉我最後就是要告訴你 |
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不管是青少年或是高齡那他們的事故主因到底是什麼那我們要有分析因為我知道在你們道安總動員裡面你們有針對細項去做這個事故噪音的統計但是你們既然有統計數字你們就應該要去分析那有分析你才知道找解方嘛那譬如說少年這一部分 |
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看起來好像都是對於交通規則或者是標示標線的優先順序或者是怎麼樣好像比較不清楚那我們該怎麼跟教育部或者是跟校園地方政府來合作怎麼來讓青少年能夠安全的行駛微型電動二輪車 |
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成年人的部分高齡者有稍微稍微有這個事故比例有稍微增加那我們對高齡者在使用電動微型電動二輪車的時候我們又應該有什麼樣的解方或是宣導嘛對不對 次長 |
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我們會責請陸正道安司也好或者是公務局跟各縣市政府針對這種成因然後來研擬相關的一個配套措施是啦好不好我希望你需要多久的時間一個月給我一個月內給我一個月內給一個書面的一個報告給我一個初步的一個延期規劃好不好好謝謝謝謝何新淳委員的執行 |
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現在請魯明哲委員執行好謝謝主席有請我們陳次長交通部長好陳次長 |
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市長 委員好你長期在交通部大概也非常清楚我們今天針對大概有42個案子道交條例相關的一些可能罰則很多委員提案在處理我們現在大家其實民眾最關心的就是無照駕駛要怎麼樣去做在這麼多年來我們看到大概被110年3月的時候有通過了當時有提高罰則現在無照駕駛不分汽機車大概最高到2萬4 |
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那經過了四年的時間啊發生了很多的一些問題啊所以第一個過去長期在研究這個問題這不是說現在突然發生的那在我們交通部長上任啊上任之後我特別在去年的11月18號我擔任召委的時候我特別排了一個如何有叫杜絕無叫駕駛啊猖獗的亂象那當時的 |
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在邀集三分單位討論研擬加重、罰則以及加強輔導並行並重的措施加重包括當場移植、滑板車輛、比照危險駕駛提高罰環上限提高吊扣、排照期間提高不能考照的年限等等的罰則之條例修正草案以嚇阻無照駕駛的現象蓄意程序呈報行政院、核轉立法院審議加強輔導的部分對於未成年以及高齡無照駕駛者並將邀集縣市政府研議建立一套統一一致的輔導防治追蹤標準機制並且納入年度的到案評比 |
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好 七個月過去了你們承諾的事項要方向跟程序送行政院怎麼樣去做的進度進度如何呢 |
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說明一下剛剛那個七個月前講的這個案子送行政院沒有我們已經有提送這個行政院去討論了已經有去討論了提送行政院去討論不是啊你們的案子簡單來講你的修法案你們自己在交通部已經核定定稿沒有你要把正確的一個版本送上去交給行政院當然他要 |
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核准嘛然後送到我們立法院來那現在進度到底是還在研究還是法條具體定了嗎是我跟委員報告一下這個法條在交通部我們已經討論過已經定案了那我們送到行政院行政院有的他一定審查這種法案的一個程序那我剛才講他法案程序的時候要先聽取我們交通部的一個報告在報告的裡面他希望我們對於罰則的部分再做檢討是現在是這樣那這裡頭剛才部長所承諾的一些 |
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要辦理的 譬如說納入道安評比啦等等的 這我們都已經在辦理中了是 好 當時承諾的是希望無照駕駛能夠比照這個危險駕駛然後 規劃 是上上個禮拜 然後媒體訪問你們交通部的一個記者會宣布了無照駕駛要比照這個酒駕 |
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到底是什麼就是說你們有沒有一個長期的一個政策因為這政策說真的交通治理罰款是尾段尤其是無照駕駛大概有非常大的比例是在我們辛苦低限的警員因為你AI不管怎麼去照相科技司法照到大概都進行舉發居多 |
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那你照照之後他可以說不是他嘛所以無照駕駛這件事情我們人工比例非常大但是他是在尾端真的沒辦法罰交通治理還有很多的前端的政策去考量源頭怎麼樣去減少嘛讓這些人就不願意嘛當然罰款是一個方式還有其他如果你沒有長期去做這個研究的時候怎麼會說比照這個危險駕駛因為危險駕駛上限是三萬六 |
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大概3萬6我們不談貨車啦就講這個普通駕照3萬6就這2萬4我要把它調成3萬6這去年11月18號的一個方向就到了6個月後前一陣子說的是比照這個酒駕酒駕最高機車汽車就分了分家了9萬到12萬所以你們現在的理念這樣好不好講清楚方向了齁這個到底是要當時承諾的 |
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比照危險駕駛大概最高罰款是三萬六還是現在說的他提高到九萬到十二萬而且汽機車分家無照駕駛汽機車沒有分家機車汽車都一樣那未來是不是怎麼樣分家請你說一下你有沒有研究 |
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事實上剛才各位委員特別提到當時是比照這個危險駕駛那我們現在經過這一陣子以後的研究我們發現就是應該要比照這個酒駕的方式分家而且發販沒有上限詳細的情形我請林市長來跟委員做說明 |
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跟委員報告一下確實成為剛剛委員所提到的一個部分就是說我們這個去年研擬的那個部分那這個是提到到這個3600是比較危險駕駛最大罰款的部分那今天在檢討之後也確實這段時間大家剛剛相後委員也這個事情提到這個有關於無照駕駛的一個總列我們去細分機車跟汽車還有包括研擬的部分是有不同所以我們這次在這個檢討的部分市長這樣啦因為今天時間真的非常有限 |
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那我是要拜託你們你們那個政策我希望比較讓別人看起來是長期在研究而且很多都有一些有什麼依據的不要說半年一下講東講西就感覺說都可以所以我覺得這個的部分你們仔細研究那現在送到行政院的部分你們如果要針對這個部分要修我希望也速度能夠快一點因為畢竟無照駕駛 |
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其實是一個比較高風險的交通違規或者事故的一個群體所以非常非常重要抓這個群體的危險係數比一般要高一點所以這個部分如果係數高又可能造成了我們用戶人無辜的用戶人或者本身生命的威脅我覺得非常不好而且要積極要處理的 |
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再來第二個我們來看一下這三年無照駕駛的舉發數其實用想像的比較看不出來到底兩萬三萬還是五萬其實沒有調出來我都不知道這麼多每一年每一年就看113年好了 |
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像現在這樣一點一年還是有28萬多人被舉發無照這個駕駛坦白講那黑數我不知道你們認為三倍五倍你們自己去研究啦因為要被警察抓到無照所以三倍五倍都不離譜啦所以這是一件 |
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滿可怕大家覺得無照駕駛對很多 我以為2萬8而已你知道嗎28萬就對大家一個普遍社會說沒差啦 沒差那到底要怎麼解決再來你看17歲以下 因為他沒辦法考駕照沒辦法考駕照的話 他有 |
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到今年感覺是有向下降了4%那是什麼原因還是不小心他這個沒有沒有原因的下降那你看25歲到64歲甚至65歲以上尤其25到64歲他一般他們是工作的年齡是家庭的經濟支柱那對於可能17歲以下就是說比較帥比較趴但上學也要方便可能理由 |
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但這個年齡就是完了我又沒公車所以這個部分你們後面的整個邏輯他後面推論出來邏輯你們要去研究啦有些東西你罰款罰了你發覺有限嘛為什麼有些人真的要上班那我們的公共運輸是不是到底哪裡出問題各縣市各個領域到底為什麼發生這些事情是要你們形成一個交通治理的政策我覺得你們要去思考17歲以下家長怎麼會買車給他 |
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小孩子他自己很有錢有可能大部分家長就買車給他了他沒駕照他也買給他了他到底要怎麼樣去約制對不對他沒有車當然就不能騎啊再來就是學校這些都學0年的小朋友他到學校其實學校都知道嘛 |
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學校跟家庭怎麼樣去做處理我也希望除了道教條例 條高法則這個方向如果你在源頭沒有一些治理的政策我覺得這樣是不行的請你們朝這個方向來研究好不好 |
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委員的建議很好 我們也是朝這個方向在處理 |
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不過25到64是提供這個量體非常大人家家裡怎麼吃飯啊你這邊解釋一下我覺得公共運輸我真的要去做處理那接下來那就你們不用回答了我直接把它講完就好了那再來去分析這麼多人沒有駕照一年30萬人因為無照駕駛被取定那其中再分那有沒有累犯啊就是事實上已經被抓到了他覺得沒有差 |
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那這種的駕駛朋友可能不是你加到五年之內兩次以上他可能天天在騎 天天在騎但你看這個數字喔 就是整個累犯率比例也是非常非常高那與這個駕照被扣掉了 他總共汽車總數是四萬六千多人他已經沒有駕照 然後再累犯 |
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一年喔113年來講大概9000多人所以像這種累犯尤其像17歲以下騎機車的小朋友啦他累犯比例真的是又高於這個平均所以我覺得家長跟學校怎麼樣透過這個學校或者其他的方式來教育或者約制我覺得這蠻重要的最後一張 |
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再去分析剛剛無照駕駛什麼原因你們要學校家長那另外一種呢其實比較嚴重在這裡其實他考了駕照了他不是就是你符合考駕照的年齡有些人沒考這些都剔除未成年的全部剔除有一種狀況是說他已經經過了馬路的測試他就完全 |
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完全不符合道路安全的價值誰證明的 你們證明的 警察證明了怎麼證明呢 他已經被吊銷 吊扣駕照了這些人啊 就他表達有口罩 然後因為一些不當的交通的行為然後被吊扣了 你知道這些人的定義齁我覺得是比剛剛高危險情 在高危險情裡面的TOP |
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最高危險群為什麼呢就很簡單嘛 你看看這個比例這個比例一年剛剛28萬 30萬你看看這種重複來的居然有10萬的 113年就好 |
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將近四成這個我覺得大家條例修了那還有什麼樣一些配合的措施讓這麼讓大家恐怖的數字啊等於每一天365天每一天300輛這個無照已經被扣了你知道為什麼被扣了被扣的這個被吊銷駕照是因為酒駕 |
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獨駕 或者危險駕駛 甚至競速飆車等等的 警察抓的鑰匙 終於吊扣了 他繼續在那邊繼續啊 繼續做 那如果吊扣咧 包括車輛開上 不管行人開上斑馬線 而且撞傷行人 像這樣的的我們現在在道交鐵路 他已經一次了 在道路上 |
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不正當的一個行為 或者很惡劣的行為造成了無辜其他的用戶人或行人受傷 他被調照結果比例這麼高還在路上那你們有什麼方法嗎 |
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我想跟委員報告就是說在馬路上行駛車輛一定要有駕照這是一定的所以對於無照的駕駛如果他還要在馬路上繼續就是要輔導他去考駕照那如何讓他不要有...所以我們現在在講讓他如果是無照你要付出一定的一個代價所以剛才特別提到這個罰款我最後一個結論 |
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你看看這幾種一種情況你除了調高閥制我覺得是一定要的但是怎麼樣你在交通治理的整個的一個你手中的一個工具你只有這個然後給民眾好啦OK了問題絕對沒有解決因為這個數字很清楚我最後要說的因為你已經 |
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違反道交條例而且比較嚴重的情況才會吊或者註銷你的駕照在法令上入法的原因它的原理就是我們用法律的依據來取消這些不具安全駕駛資格這些駕駛者 |
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而且用法定的 取消他法定的資格你沒有法定資格 這很重要 可是他不理啊那這樣的話 我們現在一直在討論道交條例或者其他法律我們要透過法律手段 想辦法要這樣來排除道路上這種交通危險的因子結果做得並不好我真的是希望 我這樣的提醒你真的要全面向哪裡 交通部所有的工具去研究 好不好 |
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是 我們會按 依照這個方向來去好 謝謝好 謝謝魯明哲委員的執行現在請廖先祥委員執行 |
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好 謝謝主席那邀請我們交通部政次我們陳政次好 陳政次應該警政署應該有應該交通組組長有來嗎陳組長組長有來警政署交通組 |
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好 謝謝 今天要跟市長 跟警政署討論一下我們道路交通管理處罰條例它的適用範圍我們的道路 因為我們的法令要在對人民做規範做約束或者是懲處的時候法律有明確性你有怎樣的行為就會被我們處罰明確性相當重要的那我們道路交通管理有一些規範我想確認一下我們這些規範是只有指公有場域嗎還是也包含了私有場域 |
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其實在這個處罰條例的這個應該是第三條最後其實它是公眾通行的地方然後又經過這個當地的主管機關對於標示標線都有納管的那個區域就是所謂道路的範圍所以重點在於如果是私有的場域的話 |
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他就是看其他供公眾通行之地方如果說他有供公眾通行的義務的話他就適用我們道教條例如果他沒有供公眾通行的義務的話那他就不適用道教條例是這樣嗎所以我們可以發現有些停車場他是供公眾來使用而且呢這當地的警察機關或者是公路主管機關會在裡面會有執法會有標誌標線的畫設等等的那那個地方就是屬於公共的地方 |
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好 謝謝市長 警政署我們的執法的原則也是如此嗎 公共狀況型市內土地不算不算市內土地不算你們兩個現在講話的回應有點落差喔到底算不算市內土地到底可不可以用道路交通管理處罰料理來開罰單可不可以 |
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如果是那個繼承的道路才算啊繼承道路嗎私人的土地不算公私行號啊他們有有那個圍起來啊有那個他們私有的土地那個不算 |
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跟委員特別提到其實我們兩個的答覆並沒有衝突我剛才特別一條私人的要公眾通行而且相關的交通或道路主管警察機關要經濟相關的管理或標他會去執法會有標線標色的畫色等等的才還算也就是他把它開放成類似像公有來供大家使用的所以他剛才講的私人空地他根本就是圍起來的就不是這個問題如果他沒圍呢 |
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不是違沒有違還是屬於他私人當然他是私人的啊好沒關係其實次長講的比較符合我心中想的啦那當然這個組長講的其實就民眾普遍上面來講的話有一種形態你也沒有拿出來就是騎遊啦騎遊一定是私用啦這個部分無庸置疑騎遊騎遊可能也在騎遊上面已經有了啦騎遊有就其他公共通行的地方那實務上我要跟兩位報告包括地方政府因為我們現在交通部門有解釋函對不對 |
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怎麼去認定他是不是其他公共狀況情的地方我們解釋很多如果我也有那個我們可以提供沒有我們辦公室跟你們要過有沒有相關的解釋函其他公共狀況情我們是沒有相關解釋函導致的地方政府有自己的解釋函包括法院法院可能也有做相關的解釋我們可以來提供好那這個兩位那我們來看一下下面的圖片 |
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來這個是私人社區就是我講的這個私人社區那當然它是一個建築基地我們有左邊箭頭跟右邊箭頭左邊箭頭我講的當然就是這個有地磚的部分哪一邊可以停車哪一邊不能停車你們看不看得出來我講的是這個有地磚的部分不是馬路 |
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用私人的範圍私人基地的人行道你們兩位的解讀是這樣次長你也是嗎對所以原則上組長會認為這不應該開罰單如果沒有特別的標示之類的次長你也一樣的看法嗎 |
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好沒關係我直接就是既然這件事情都要討論的話民眾怎麼判斷警察現場開單怎麼判斷那個我們下一個下一個我右邊的這個是建築圖館機關的圖左邊的黃色的斜線黃綠斜線它是騎樓地 無遮掩騎樓右邊綠色 右邊同樣的一個角度它就是單純綠色綠色是代表法定空地 |
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那你既然為7樓地你就有必須要供公眾通勤的衣物7樓那右邊他是法定空地那他就是自己私人土地就是誠如我們組長講的你沒有說要給公眾通勤的話那你就要必須你可能警察就沒有去開單但實務上民眾看得出來嗎 |
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我們警察去開單的時候難道還要 我們民眾停車難道還要上建築圖館圖館這個系統去查嗎或是警察開單難道還要上建築圖館系統去查嗎好 那包括下一 那我們再看下一張對面啦 對面這就是他對面 兩邊來 猜猜看哪邊可以停車 哪邊不能停車 |
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我會問你就代表你一定看不出來啦因為現場就看不出來嘛來 下一頁兩邊都是騎樓地兩邊都不能停車那也就是說我們的建築圖館裡面我就只講建築圖館裡面就好建築圖館裡面有一些建築法定的規範你必須跟公眾通行但是這套系統包括它的土地的屬性你必須要去跟 |
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建築主管機關去查詢之後你才知道當然有一種例外的是開放空間開放空間的話它會有現場的一個告示牌或許就看得到相關有一些判例法院也認為開放空間因為開放空間在法定上的意思就是當初有一些建商 |
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我們把一些建築基地的空間供不特定的對象通行不特定對象通行那給你隆起獎益所以他是必須要提出來的提供給公眾通行的一個義務但是這很多東西你沒有告示牌的情況下你的警察是很難去判斷他是不是開放空間他是不是騎樓地他有沒有供公眾通行的一個義務 |
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這你直接看看不出來我們直接看下一張就快速掃描過去好了一樣啊兩邊啊兩邊的社區啊看不出來啊左邊的這個社區人行道是法定空地啊右邊是騎樓地啊看不出來嘛那看不出來的時候民眾怎麼知道他做的事情有沒有違法我們警察怎麼知道有沒有違規好那下一張 |
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一樣 這個就更複雜了你看右下角圖最前面靠近人行道的地方是騎樓地然後右邊也反正有斜線的地方就是騎樓地你這樣看得出來一大塊的廣場你怎麼看得出來哪邊是法定空地哪邊是騎樓地 |
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實際上是很難去判斷的所以我認為我們在執法的時候我會建議我們交通部可以有一個更明確的一個指示只要是私人的土地只要是私人的土地那現場可能未來是要由我們的交通部門地方的交通部門或者是警察執法機關有一個明確的告示告訴大家說你這邊的土地它的屬性在法令上面是有供公眾通行的義務 |
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那所以他施用道路交通管理處罰條例那你們 你就不可以來這邊行政我們警察就會來開單否則現在就是每個 跟你講每個警察像我剛剛講的一些案例啦有的警察去開啦 有的警察不去開啦那每個警察的執法也都不一致啦那地方政府會有地方政府的解釋地方政府 譬如說新北市給警察局的解釋是說只要是 |
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都審通過的退縮地那有通行的就大概有一些做解釋哪一種型態但是實際上你看現場你根本看不出來他到底符不符合哪一種型態那市長或者是署長你們可以簡單回應一下面對這種狀況未來怎麼讓我們的執法更有一致性更一套標準 |
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我們一定會請我們的同仁一定要判斷說這個到底是齊樓地還是法定的空地我們會要求執法一定要明確就是說不要亂開單不要為了執法而執法但是如果事實上真的是違規的那就一樣要開法 |
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我們會要求更嚴謹所以民眾去的時候還要先上網查一下去建築的管理系統看一下這私人地到底可不可以停然後我們警察開單前也要上網查一下你不覺得這樣很警察一定是當地的拍手啊 轄區的拍手那他對於當地的你會不會覺得這樣對於我們警察同仁的負擔太大了 |
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的確是有一點對啊 你還要去查 次長你怎麼讓他更簡便的讓民眾跟司法單位我想跟委員報告 委員剛才提到很多的其實都是牽涉到當地建管或土地事務對 沒錯像這樣的一個情形不一而足所以不可能有一個就是一個譬如我講私人空地就不可以停類似像這樣的一個解釋或私人空地可以停這個太簡略了 |
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但是呢如何去認定所謂剛才講道路範圍我剛才也提到過這個我們也做了多次的解釋那我相信各地方政府或警察機關我會建議我們交通部未來私人土地要讓我們的警察同仁來開單的時候我們就必須要有正面的告示 |
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正面的告示這一個我想社區的管委會啦或是相關的那個他如果上那一塊空地他是不可以停的我相信他們會去做一些告示不可以停那是不可以停是管委會跟你說不能停那個又牽扯到民法了 |
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我們現在在討論道路交通管理處罰條例因為就一個空地的話民眾要所以你就覺得沒關係以後就讓警察單位慢慢自己去判斷民眾自己去判斷跟你們交通部沒有關係不是交通部其實是牽涉到法律面那法律面我剛才也特別提所以法律面就是要明確對我們像每一個人都清楚這邊可不可以停車我跟法律還沒有異議我跟委員報告法律的明確不是到簡單化 |
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這個是兩個是不一樣的不是說簡單化就可以解決而是要明確可以適用所以像這樣的一個問題就是我們讓他明確然後每一個人停車人也有停車人要盡的義務執法也有執法的一個權限大家要互相配合才能夠把一個健全的法治 |
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好 沒關係啦 反正這個問題我也相信你們剛剛在看圖示的時候你會知道這個是不管是民眾或者是基層執法同仁都會遇到的一個非常大的困擾那我希望交通部能夠出面來有一個好的解決的方式我就不浪費大家的時間我希望後續你再請我們的司長來我辦公室討論一下好不好好 謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝我們廖先祥委員現在請黃建豪委員執行 |
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好 謝謝主席 主席我們請交通部政次 陳次長好 交通部陳次長市長好 市長我想一開始當然要針對一個時事來救教我想大家看到新聞說史喆即將接任這個台灣高鐵公司董事長我想請問一下那個 市長我們現在交通部派在高鐵董事會的代表幾位 |
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市長知道嗎還是兩位兩位嘛 兩位嘛一個是我們吳東霖嘛 一個是這個這個交通部綜合計畫師的副市長吳東霖一位是我們鐵道局的楊振軍局長代表人最終派兩位在所謂高鐵公司的董事會裡面是是 |
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那高鐵公司董事會成員裡面吼包含了這個裁判法人中華航空事業的發展基金會的航發會然後包含中鋼公司包含台航公司包含行政院國發基金管理會然後包含說東雲機電然後包含台北富邦銀行以上是董事會的成員那我們現任的高鐵公司董事長吼他是來自於航發會的代表人鄭光遠他現在擔任高鐵公司董事長那我想請教一下我剛剛講的這些董事會成員裡面就剛好沒有死者嘛 |
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那我想問說 如果矢澤能夠去擔任高鐵公司董事長的話他是以什麼樣的身份他具備董事會的哪一個成員的身份 他能夠來擔任董事長我想後續呢 大概就會有一個這個推派的一個指定的一個程序那個 吳政是因為這個業務是你 是不是可以上來 可以可以那因為 |
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吳政事他是主管鐵道所以這個部分是不是請他幫忙一下 |
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當然要當董事長一定必須是這個董事的身份才可以對那他現在還沒有現在應該現在是我今天有看他文啦行政院核定是他未來會當董事長但是他的董事我要看一下應該是依照行法會的董事代表他是用行法會不是用交通部的嗎不是他行法會屬不屬於交通部投資轉投資的 |
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單位應該不是他算你們投資財團法人嗎財團法人是 |
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那我想依據它既然是江東部投資的財團法人那你們有一個所謂的江東部與所主事業機構派任公民事業機構及財團法人機構領選的標準一個領選標準不管你派任機構還是財團法人裡面有一個機關代表領選除工會推派的董事之外應該劇烈幾個資格第一個企業的經營管理具有豐富學識跟經驗 |
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第二個 他的專長適合該事業或財團法人需要第三個 現身職務與該事業或財團法人業務有密切關係第四 投資該公司的公民營事業機構現任董事長或者是總經理或副總 有這是個條件那我想問一下兩位次長 那請問一下你們覺得使者適用這個規定裡面的哪一條他可能會使用哪一條 他可以去行發會擔任 所謂的 |
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董事然後進入高雷公司擔任董事我想呃呃呃使得政委他有他的專業性是是他有他的專業性是好啦沒關係啦不為難市長市長市長浩子說到底他會因為我剛剛講這四條嗎這是你們交通不定的一個遴選標準嗎 |
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那我相信各位都很專業 包括說我們現在以交通部為代表派在高鐵公司的董事的這個兩者席次也都是相關的專業那不管是航發會也好 不管是中鋼也好 他們都銀行團也好大家各自有各自的專業性跟他的代表性所以我好奇 只是好奇說既然有這個遴選標準 有這所謂四個規範有具有一定的專業性或是關聯性 |
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我只好奇說那對啊你們交通部竟然是主管機關那今天你派了一個因為他要當董事長之前他必須成為董事會成員那董事會成員的限制就是剛剛提到那幾個單位嘛交通部也好 航班會也好 中鋼也好他想必不是中鋼的嘛那他的這個選擇有限那到底怎麼去領選他成為 |
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機關代表然後進入董事會然後進入董事會他才能夠成為董事長啊邏輯上來講法律上來講應該是這樣才對啊是啊相關的程序是這樣啊那剛才我也回應了委員的說法就是說他是有專業的尤其是專業來治理整個一個公司專業性能夠把這個公司治理好我想這是最重要 |
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市長我想這個是應該是上級交辦我想這個程序上我覺得聽起來很奇怪如果今天查詢董事會成員裡面已經有死則了那這題就不用問了今天就是因為你們先收到派令說他當董事長那我們看董事會成員裡面發現沒有這個人那他突然就可以來當董事長了我覺得這個是你們把整個程序這個真的是 |
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編導過來啦就先有一個董事長要來了然後我才選他進來董事會所以我覺得這個是交通部整個行政院要去檢討那當然我想這不是市長的問題我只是把它提出來好不好好沒關係市長我們回到業務本身喔 |
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我想我們討論一下這個今天討論道路交通管理條例那我本席也特別注重獨駕過去強調酒駕、無照駕等等的問題那你看到獨駕這個道路交通管理條例第90條裡面有提到就是如果他的行為於兩個月之後不得舉發 |
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我們看到近年獨家的件數112年 113年 114年114年 也就今年統一到4月份就已經高達1755件那去年一整年是2600件關於獨家查獲件數那真正查獲到實際舉發這涉及到 這個刑事局這邊有提過也提過一件事情就是說我今天查獲了 然後送驗然後尿檢出來的結果好像 |
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時間不一定都能夠在兩個月內出爐那如果他沒有在兩個月內出爐的話那當事人只要說我沒有我否認 我不願尿檢是不是他就不用被罰 會不會有這狀況好 可以報告委員 那個有關於毒價的部分其實警政署已經有也是有去探討說如何來測禁那剛剛委員講得很好 那他如果抗拒或者說我們這個毒品 |
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他的協議要去送驗喔時間會超過超過兩個月就沒辦法處罰因為道家條例的處罰是行政方面的處罰他的處罰跟刑法不一樣所以我們在這邊也有一點建議就是說他這個道家條例90條規定是 |
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兩個月不得舉發是不是可以再補充一下說或者把法條稍微修一下他的檢驗我們這個期間的算法是到他的檢驗出來結果才開始算這個就在90條裡面有我們希望說委員如果可以的話也來支持那個是警政署陳處長嗎 |
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我今天提出來就是希望我們要往這方向來修事務上既然這個法條擺在這邊有這個於兩個月不得舉發的問題但事務上是不是要怎麼樣修正拜託一下我覺得交通部跟刑事局應該討論一下怎麼樣去處理這個事情不然說就像提到了他兩個月時間到然後因為量能不足檢驗不到然後兩個月過後他就沒事了 |
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那難怪我是舉發 查問件是這麼高我想跟舉發件數是有一定程度的落差啦所以這個條次怎麼修 條彎怎麼修交通部會不會處理 |
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跟委員報告一下 針對這個部分的話我們大概就是說有請警政署提出這一個意見 那意見完之後我們大概會參加警政署意見來做一個處理 那時間呢這個部分就上次有跟署裡面協調 他們趕快把意見過來我們就不用韓式的方式來做處理 |
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市長我們很在意時間啦因為其實講真的你看這個件數我提到為什麼要特別強件數因為112年的時候當然查分的時候還沒那麼高113年才2600今年到4月但是現在已經6月了我還沒有拿到最新數字跟我報告一下兩個他們剛過來我們這個一個禮拜內合幅給警察署來一起辦理 |
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好 我們希望這趕快處理啦不要擺了這一條 我想很多人有發現這一條所以他一直利用這個漏洞我想對台灣的治安 對行人的安全是很大的影響 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝黃建豪委員的執行現在請蔡其昌副院長執行 |
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謝謝主席 請交通部陳次長好 交通部陳次長委員好次長好 次長今天有幾個問題來救教一下次長第一個就是那個微型電動二輪車我看他現在掛牌時間大概 |
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一段期間市長你知道現在掛牌總數有多少嗎這裡好像是 |
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跟委員報告就是微型電動二輪車的話目前我們大概是有32萬多32萬多輛目前掛牌的這不含那個買了沒掛牌那一種掛牌有32萬多嘛那機車掛牌有多少 |
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機車大概一千四百多萬輛一千多萬輛那微型電動二輪車以113年來講它的事故數有多少 |
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跟我們一樣113年事故件數是有9800件那機車有多少這邊可能還好我再查如果我的數字沒錯應該兩萬多件如果我的數字沒錯因為掛牌總數我查起來的數字跟你們不一樣沒關係以你們的數字為主所以掛牌總數 |
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跟機車兩個微型電動二輪車跟機車的數量跟事故來比你可以很明顯發現微型電動二輪車事故發生的比例遠高於機車就簡單講就是說我們講道安那現在我們發現有一種載具它其實比機車更危險因為你發生事故的比例這個微型電動二輪車遠高於機車 |
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好 那問題來了 我們在講道安 道安修法做交通安全各式的宣導 從政策預算包括在立法院 包括在行政院我們都希望減少人民財產生命的損傷但有一種東西 它很嚴重但我們其實沒有什麼管理的策略 甚至我們也很少討論 |
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譬如說我舉例你們現在除了我們除了規定14歲到17歲是可以騎啦如果未達14歲騎我們有罰則嘛對不對好那14歲到17歲騎他其實沒有任何限制只有年齡的限制你14歲高了你就可以開始騎這個微型電動的二輪車市長 |
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這個車禍的比例遠高於機車它的形態 你如果沒有認真去探究 它的形態其實就是機車它跟電動腳踏車不一樣 電動腳踏車有踏板需要踩踏但微型電動二輪車 它坐在旁邊跟摩托車一樣 吹下去就走 只是它的速限 |
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25公里而已啦但是25公里在馬路上他的行為跟他的樣態基本上跟機車是一模一樣好 市長有沒有什麼方法 交通部看完這個數字之後我們希望減輕人民的生命財產的損傷交通部對於微型電動二輪車有沒有什麼想法 |
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我想跟委員做一個說明就是微型電動二輪車因為也是因為基於以前沒有納管所以產生了一些問題所以我們把它特別定義叫微型電動二輪車那微型電動二輪車當時在制定它的相關的一個領牌或者是管理的規定裡頭其實就是該比照機車的幾乎都比照了唯獨就是駕照的部分 |
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那所以在這部分其實我們也有在其他的場合也有特別提到說對於賣出電動二輪車的這個經銷商其實要能夠告訴買車的相關的一個行駛要注意事項等等的那如果現在有看到這樣的一個問題剛才也特別提到就是說希望我們陸正道安司能夠對電動二輪車相關事故的防治能夠有相關的一個提出相關的因應的措施那這一部分我想我們可以考慮好 |
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這個應該要考慮了啦應該要考慮了嘛你們都是專家啦就是說我不是專家但當時在納管的時候我是支持的為什麼當時我跟交通部也建議過為什麼因為當時有很多我們的外籍移工 |
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買了這個車子然後呢可能Maybe做了一些不好的事情可是我們沒有任何對他辨識度沒有任何辨識啦所以基於治安基於交通等等我們做了一些納管 |
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但是這個納管它成長的速度非常的快再來如果你以跟機車來比它發生生命財產損失的機會遠高於機車所以未來它一定是一個問題所以我們從開放之後納管 |
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我覺得光走到這裡是不足的應該我們還要有繼續往下走的下一步那到底怎麼樣的方法好讓人民也覺得普遍這樣做是對的這個就要交通部的專家很多資源也很多你們應該緊述的來研議相關的辦法怎麼來做這些事情這件事情要該怎麼來處理才會把他的人民的這種生命財產的損失降低不然他 |
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說起來開那麼多錢在做機車安全不管是辦講座、宣導一大堆的但事實上機車都要比微型電動二輪車安全很多如果這兩個拿來比的話所以這個是特別跟次長提醒會後趕快去研究那研究有結論的三個月半年你們趕快給我到底你們要怎麼來做啦好不好我等著你們的報告第二個事情啊 |
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台中機場連外道路因為長遠我們叫捷運局限我也很謝謝交通部你們陳部長在我的這個督促要求拜託底下你們願意補助台中市政府 |
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願意就是說本來台中市政府該做的事情因為他不做那我們要求中央給他這個可言的預算讓他延伸到海線所以謝謝交通部願意出這一條本來市政府該做的事情那不管怎麼樣中央做了協助地方來做了這件事情那 |
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長線我要麻煩交通部對於那個進度啊必須緊盯我們現在要求他做可言是希望這個可言的結果能夠他跟他原來所提的局限的計畫能夠一併來核定能夠一併來核定而不是漏掉最後面那一段那這是長期計畫那還有短期也就是本席一直在要求我們在短期捷運局限還沒有辦法完成對於清泉崗機場 |
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這個客戶的服務我們長期還沒有辦法達成之前短期應該要有相對應的車輛就是包括公車啊或者等等觀光巴士啊這個部分我希望市長在16號的考察裡面 |
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19號的考察裡面希望次長你們可以給我做一個簡報到底台中市政府跟交通部怎麼去做這個旅客的這些輸運你們也知道嘛這個輸一定要對症下藥啦因為沒有飛機班次就可以節省那有飛機班次的時間反而應該密集讓使用者覺得這個交通網絡很方便這個大眾運輸網絡很方便這個我等著你們19號 |
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的報告好不好你們19號再跟我提出詳細的報告那針對今天的修法本席也有提案那我的提案其實很簡單你看我們一樣從數字上來做管理你就可以發現 |
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我們對於酒駕是零容忍我們立法院這麼多年來也不斷對於酒駕的法令越修越嚴格然後呢我們的執法單位警政執法單位把酒駕也列為很重要的執法目標所以也很鼓勵員警對酒駕的取締要加強我覺得這個都很好但如果我們反過來你可以看到這個酒駕以2023年來看這個酒駕數啊 |
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2022、2023最近這兩年你看2022的酒駕的案件是7863跟7954但無照駕駛的案件是53000多跟55000多就一個數字是7000多一個數字是5萬多 |
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所以我們對於酒駕導致死亡 甚至無照駕駛的死亡案件 死亡這個是763 2023年 酒駕是253所以如果我們從數字來看 你就會發現這個無照駕駛對於人民生命財產的損失衝擊 |
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其實他絕對不比酒駕來得輕微所以我們對於酒駕過去我們對於無照過去就是罰錢嘛罰錢罰錢所以你看這個數字啊 一直高選沒辦法下來所以本席才會提議說如果無照導致重傷或致死我們應該就要取消他考照的這個資格 |
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就我們一定要有一些對他的一些處分不能只有罰錢就解決就在行政上面那當然 |
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他的致死跟重傷他有另外的刑事責任這個我們姑且不能在行政上面我覺得應該要更嚴格那本席要更嚴格我很歡迎你們來討論就是說如果你們覺得本席的嚴格你們有更有效的方法其實我們不是真的要怎樣我們只是阻止這種悲劇的發生要讓這個數字下來但如果部裡面有更好的建議就怎麼樣加重可以讓數字下來 |
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那我也歡迎來討論或者來修正但本席必須要藉著今天的時間要告訴透過數字上來看無照駕駛致人死傷其實這個也很嚴重這個是酒駕的 |
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不到十倍但也七八倍有啦所以這個是很驚人的數字所以我們要想辦法從數字的管理上我們要讓這個數字下來這個數字下來 數字是冷冰的但是數字下來所代表的意涵就是保障更多人生命跟財產的安全市長你覺得同不同意 |
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也謝謝委員的提醒從這個數字我們也看到其實我交通部也看到就是說跟這個酒駕的這個比例是很懸殊所以是我們在今天的專案報告裡面或者是在這答詢裡頭 |
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剛才都多次談到就是而後有關無照駕駛的修法的一個方向我們原則上是比照酒駕的一個處理的一個方式來對於不管是罰款的提高也好或是呃旅販的一個處罰或者是駕照的吊扣吊銷或終身不得考照或者是那一部車做一些吊銷的一個處理等等的我們其實是配套的一起在做處理好希望我們進入 |
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調穩的時候 我們可以再進一步來討論謝謝蔡其昌副院長現在請邱若驊委員執行謝謝主席 主席請政務次長好 小東部我們陳正次 |
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市長好 市長我們先來看到 |
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去年新北還有新竹三起獨駕重大車禍震驚社會不只造成民眾死傷更有兩名警務人員殉職那三起獨駕呢這三名肇事者皆涉及俗稱的喪屍煙彈的二級毒品伊托米子那這類毒品它會導致沒有辦法思考喪屍意識還有行動沒有辦法控制那稀釋者猶如上行屍走漏那卻還有駕駛稀釋後上路已經嚴重影響到民眾的生命財產安全所以本席今天就獨駕的問題 |
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就叫次長 那次長我們現在看到根據警政署的資料他獨家的查獲件數從110年的43件 一路飆升到113年的2619件那3年間就暴增了將近50倍啊 而且113年的時候創下新高紀錄請問次長獨家的查記創新高的原因是為什麼 |
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委員是不是我來我是檢證署交易組組長好 沒問題他獨家創新高的原因是因為這個毒品的氾濫原本在112年的年底的時候那時候上市菸袋是等於是新興的毒品那時候還沒有還沒有那個上升而且管制的時候是用三級毒品四級毒品來列管 |
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那後來他這個毒品危害防治條例把他提升為這個就是我們知道112年他12月的時候修法刑法第150185條之三嘛明定毒價比照酒價處理那只要他的檢測濃度達標就可以處罰那也不需要再舉證他具體的危險行為沒有錯吧對 |
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那去年 您剛剛也提到去年8月的時候行政院才將這個喪屍煙彈就是Itomidate這個伊托米子它列為三級毒品那到了11月它又拔升級為二級毒品沒錯那我們看到警政署這邊也有提供資料113年全年它2619件那從1月到7月呢541件那8月到12月它暴增到了2078件那我們可以看到它有多氾濫那今年呢 |
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1月到4月份他獨駕我們查 查獲到1755件那是 這將近是去年一整年的查獲數那由於刑法的修法還有上時煙彈的氾濫嘛那獨駕的查獲數也暴增那同時他也是道路上的不定時炸彈那次長您對於遠景的查緝獨駕的流程您清楚嗎 |
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也請市長您同時了解報告委員原則上我們查到開車有可疑的情形原警會依照我們的標準作業程序來攔查第一個就是說車上有毒品的是一種狀況這種狀況所以就是你們盤查的對象盤查對象那什麼樣的狀況 |
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就是他這個等於是開車有這個左晃右晃危險的這種情境這個就是所以警察會把他攔下來進行盤查那接下來呢有可疑事實那接下來如果車上有毒品的話我們毒品就要送驗然後依照毒品違法防止條例送送法辦那尿液如果說他坦承了啦那當然就刑法185會加上185的危險 |
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駕駛那另外那個尿液跟毒品送驗呃呈現陽性盜交條例再加上去呃盜交條例35條是所以你們會看車上有沒有發現毒品那如果有發現毒品的話就是馬上就是會馬上就現行犯 |
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就是現行犯如果他拒絕拒絕尿檢呢拒絕採尿呢採尿我們要報檢察官你們要報檢察官然後再由檢察官來做偵辦是那車和人的車人和車的部分呢你們會怎麼來做處理人和車的部分人一個是移送法院嘛那如果沒有發現毒品喔只是他開車這樣很危險一定還要再驗尿之後那車輛的部分當下會怎麼做處理 |
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車輛會 車輛要看狀況欸車輛要如果是毒品的話你們繼續讓他上路嗎 |
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不是 如果是獨駕的話就要一致保管如果不是獨駕裡面沒有等於是他沒有承認啦我們只能採訪所以這樣子聽下來不管怎麼樣都是要做尿檢嘛對沒有錯 那今年1到4月我剛剛本席有提到案件數是1755件那這1到4月移送了1755件他是獨駕一公共危險罪處理那只有1000 但舉發數還有 |
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1141件他依道路交通管理處罰條例取發那換句話說沒有取發的是35%完全沒有開罰單沒有辦法取發 次長您知道為什麼嗎我回答可以嗎因為這個可以分成兩個部分第一個就是說他還在檢驗當中還沒有出來這個因為他有我們的尿液送驗喔還是要有一個流程要送檢驗機關去驗那驗出來 |
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第一個是驗出來他沒有達到陽性的反應如果有當然就會就用道家條例開罰嘛道家條例第90條的規定兩個月有些可能會來超過他最快什麼時候可以提出報告 |
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依照那個流程喔送比如說 最快多久可以提出報告我們剛剛算了一下最快大概要一個多月最快要一個多月那最慢呢不是要跟委員報告齁這個尿液送驗喔還有很多的關鍵因素我這邊是問時間嘛那最快跟最慢啊因為還要看檢驗機構的量能啊那現在量能足夠嗎 |
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一個多 兩個月是不夠的兩個月是不夠的 那我們可不可以來提出修法我們警政署是建議修法 有報文給交通部我們有建議修法是從那個毒品所以今天我們碰到一個問題嘛就是沒有舉發就沒有辦法吊扣駕照所以讓很多獨駕犯他繼續持有駕照繼續上路 繼續危害民眾的安全現在的情況是這樣沒有錯吧 |
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包委員我們有一個解決的方式就是說我們的尿液送驗驗完那個當下才算期間開始算因為他行為開始之後我們根本還沒辦法確定說我現在不跟你討論尿液那今年警政署有沒有 |
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有沒有有沒有發函給交通部我們發函我想我跟會員做說明這委員特別提到的這個有關處罰條例94條警政署今年5月9號發函給交通部做詢問請問部長交通部有收到嗎交通部跟警政署溝通了嗎 |
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目前進度到哪裡所以這個禮拜會回應是嗎那交通部有沒有要提出修法延長舉發期呢兩個月是不夠了我們剛也聽到組長的回答我們會再提出修法嗎因為他這個裡頭的相關的條文裡頭有一個行政檢討不是你知道獨家目前罰多少嗎 |
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他是比照酒駕再說 比照酒駕稅是多少錢汽機車分開 汽機車分開分別是多少錢汽車的部分是這個應該是9到12萬然後機車的部分 機車是1.5萬到9萬 汽車是3萬到12萬那根據台北市交通裁決所3月公告資料顯示有一名累價 獨犯的獨駕的累犯 張姓累犯他曾經被抓到8次 連續8次獨駕 罰款累計264萬 |
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那請問這樣的罰則對於獨駕者有效果嗎 |
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交通部主委全國大陸最高的主管期間 希望交通部不要再觀望了如果不繳的話 其實有相關後續的一個程序的處理也請交通部盡快有緊正的處理 尤其有兩百多萬的這個我相信相關的處理是一個很大的一個目標 謝謝謝謝邱若驊委員的執行 現在請喜智傑召委執行 |
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謝謝主席 我們請伍次長好 請伍次長委員好 次長好 抱歉 跟你交付任務因為我剛才說台鐵董事長 |
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我今天有看到文所以很快市長就沒有兼台鐵董事長了但是我還是交通隊的議員所以台車的事情我還是會協助因為新的董事長來我不知道他會不會延續舊的政策 |
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所以我還是要拜託那個次長我們代理董事長我們鳳山車站的問題我一直非常的關心是所以我們看鳳山車站其實目前當然招標一直都沒有順利然後我看他的時程是6月26 第三次招商截止收件所以時間也快了 |
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台鐵總經理跟次長也都跟我提過說如果是分段招標有沒有可能分期分區招標有沒有可能那我也跟次長表達過就是說 |
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第一個就是電影院一定要有第二個就是說時間上就是說你要確定可以飆得出去的話在第一期就有電影院這個部分我還可以接受但是其實我在分析就是說6月26這個如果是有人來招來領或者是有人來投標可能就機會比較大一點 |
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如果萬一沒有人來臨 |
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當然他不會來領著玩的嘛對不對如果有機會分期分區那第一期就是照我的我們之前給選民的承諾給台鐵的要求這個部分都有如期如這樣子的方向可以完成的話那是最好但是如果沒有的話萬一沒有的話我是強烈建立就是一加一啦 |
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我希望這個不要再三心兩意了啦因為你時間拖越久就越難決定啦那我看台北車站是7月267月26還有一個月的時間所以是不是這個公告有機會可以變更或者是補充公告這個部分事實上 |
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我們在看法規上是沒有問題啦但是交通部跟鐵路局也沒有可能做這樣子的決定我覺得這個是一個很重要的承諾要不然我每一次都等台鐵已經三次跟我說沒問題了這等下去真的是遙遙無期會被人家笑說你蓋得那麼漂亮變成文字館所以這個部分是不是 |
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我們的次長跟總經理可以在這邊給我一個比較明確的答覆我想我跟那個召委報告啦剛剛講大概兩個方向第一個就是剛剛委員提到說1加1的問題嘛1加1的問題其實我們去問過財政部初餐師初餐師他兩個合併的時候他那個程序要重來 |
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所以重來時間 我們這個已經跟他確認過這是第一個 會重來時間比較久一點當然這是我們的 也是幫案之一第二個就是我們提到的分區分區分區的這樣一個概念這部分我們現在 這部分已經在研擬我們先不管6月26號的事情這個部分我們現在在研擬 |
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那剛提到的第一期一定要有電影院的部分這個我們一定會這樣操作方式來做然後我們現在在把這件信息來信息交給教堂我現在是要跟次長跟總經理報告就是說分期分期如果626沒有那分期分期是不是一再規劃我們現在就有在現在就在已經在研擬了 |
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不是啊你現在626如果沒有你就要趕快設方案我已經聽了三次說沒問題有信心沒有沒問題有信心沒有這一次626是第三次了喔對 626這一次看起來我覺得應該是不樂觀啦沒有錯所以我是要求同仁剛剛講的對那你626如果沒有的話你現在再來規劃分期分區 |
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要規劃到什麼時候這個比較單純這個比較單純我覺得 坦白講 次長 我一直覺得說單純 理想上是都沒問題啦但是我要看到務實的狀況真的是有效啦 |
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那你今天其實台北車站跟鳳山車站坦白講鳳山車站即使是分期分區啦他還是要花建設的成本對所以對廠商來講他要去OT要再開過來演其實然後之前的問題他們在考慮到他整個商圈周遭包括拉拉炮等等的這些問題讓他做一併考量坦白講 |
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我還是不敢抱得太樂觀的態度啦所以我是認為說其實你如果是一加一是最快啦啊說實在台北車頭一定賺錢嘛啊我鳳山車頭有可能前陣子要倒租啊 其實是有願情啊他不是說他跟我三井拉拉破如果合作會所以其實他可以互相拉抬的啊但是初期會比較辛苦 |
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所以就是說我認為說有時候這個是決策決策的果斷性跟前瞻性啦就是說我如果今天如果是26 626沒有結果的話我如果快刀斬亂嘛我就是果斷一點我就是決定1加1我相信台北車站一定有人會去標啦台北車道不可能沒人要標嘛 |
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阿台灣請客套 國防省請客套 1加1就一定飆得出去嘛你用邏輯來思考其他的細節 台鐵說要再併購1加1要併購兩年啦 我要繪畫而已啊 |
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所以我是認為說這個其實在邏輯上就可以做這樣子的思考我在台北城市一定探訪一定有人來標這個邏輯沒問題吧是那鳳山1加1跟台北山1加1在鳳山坦白講初期因為他還要建設因為你一直說之前你BOTB跟OT的觀念沒有連接在一起對所以才會造成現在的問題是 |
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那你現在如果叫新的廠商來標雖然是分期分區但是他還是要初期還是要做建設嘛要開過來用嘛所以坦白講我是真的是沒那麼樂觀啦所以我要拜託市長 |
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董事長跟總經理跟未來的董事長就說我站在紅色車頭的角度你跟我一加一我應該是保證表的處理而且假設啦假設就是知名品牌的會來飆台北車站的基本上應該都是比較知名的品牌啦知名的品牌可以在台北車頭還可以在我們紅色車頭我覺得這很好啊 |
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所以我是強烈建議就是次長跟總經理甚至未來的董事長我不知道什麼時候要進來但是我為什麼特別請吳次長就是說代替跟外當署長也是你要幫忙監管的嘛對不對是所以就是說我希望先在你一個人的胸口三個河上沒水河這個河上就讓吳次長來擔啦 |
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好不好好所以我就說626如果真的沒有的話我覺得真的是一加一就趕快快到長大碼就果斷決定好不好好好謝謝市長好 謝謝好 謝謝我們許志傑召委現在請陳顯生委員執行 |
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謝謝我們主席召委,是不是請我們次長陳次長還有鐵路機局長還有來我們那個吳代董事長來來來來來次長那個高鐵董事長調到台鐵去當董事長定案了沒有? |
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我想跟委員報告,今天下午我們會對外記者會說明我們現任的五代董事長是出了差錯還是什麼?在鐵路局局長那裡有出狀況嗎? |
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他做得很好,只是他當時去是兼任,代理高鐵董事長出了什麼差錯沒有?他原來從董經理升任董事長沒多久時間現在你又把他調到台鐵來?高鐵董事長,鄭董事長也做得很好做得很好,所以要調走 |
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做得很好,至於新的職位的這個異動,我相信他也會做得很好我在裡面好幾任高鐵快垮了,快倒了是不是然後民運化做個財務結構的處理當然鄭董事長他是原來是長榮的董事長長榮航空的董事長轉過來他是說真的很標準的CEO |
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那高鐵今天把他弄起來了你們是要把高鐵弄垮嗎?他畢竟人家是有經驗嘛你就派了一個文化部部長改天勞動部部長也可以去幹高鐵董事長喔可以嗎?都通財嗎?執政長現在下面所有的人全部都通財幹哪一個部會都可以幹嘛是不是改天國防部部長,顧部長改天會調教育部部長也不一定喔,是不是這樣? |
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用人為財不是這樣子搞法,我對每個人都沒有意見台鐵出狀況出很多,誰到台鐵誰倒楣當初杜葳董事長幹局長的時候,我問他你準備幹到幾歲?他說我幹到退休為止果不其然幹到退休為止他不幹了 |
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台鐵的局長一年換三個,還要抓去坐牢之前的次長你看看,還拿到監察院去彈劾怎麼這樣子?是誰提報的?是你們部長提的嗎?還是行政院建議的?你知道整個流程嗎? |
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我的了解整個人事的任用有一定的制度跟一個一定的程序不過我們都在看文化部部長跑去看高鐵董事長我會注意看,看他幹得怎麼樣沒有這個道理嘛是不是?那個武局長你表現很好啦,我沒看到什麼插座啊但你突然又被換下來了我是覺得滿遺憾的 |
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好好的一個公司他做得很好,那他繼續做嘛,對不對像高鐵你看看,台鐵便當很好高鐵鎮總部長就來啦,就有樣學樣啊,學台鐵台鐵的便當啊台鐵便當很出名啊,很知名啊我每次在交通委員會,其他的便當我還不想吃我都要叫我要吃台鐵的便當啊,是不是?那吳代理長,董事長你請回好不好 |
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另外就是公路總局陳文睿局長你上台一下南北岸塊大橋啊也就是馬祖大橋我在總諮詢的時候有曾經有提到因為院長提出來說要三百多億嘛是不是三百八十幾億嘛那世襲的是兩百多億嘛兩百九十兩百八十八億嘛 |
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那殷商提供的三百多億,你們相信殷商的?法國那個人還講五百多億勒?是不是?你到底聽誰的啊?那我也曾經講說你們要找世襲,再重新再計算,因為工才都漲了嘛,是不是?你們這個動作做了沒有? |
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跟委員報告因為當初報院的時候院有提到就是說後續的部分他有涉及到跟這一個我們這個民航的這個北竿機場的這一個改建的一個這個部分所以因為國發會我現在沒有提這個對國發會的那個報告當然跟北竿機場有關聯嘛我知道我知道我現在是講他的造價到底要多少現在我要你們去向世襲去個函給世襲 |
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是不是,請世襲重新計算一下我有質詢,你們也說好啊到現在,我今天不問的話又沒有啦無聲無息,可以這樣嗎?你今天重新答覆我一次你們要不要去喊給世襲,叫他重新算一下 |
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經費的部分的話就是說因為他本來就是跟這個大概就是個期的這個貨幣的價值有關係所以我這個部分我們再跟世襲再做一個進一步的一個討論這一個橋做了可行性評估對不對也做了綜合計畫花了一億多你現在把他躺在那邊睡覺幹什麼 |
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行政院秘書處的評估我看到了國防部的評估我看到了跟我們北竿機場事有關聯我也看到了是不是但是我現在要你們核算一下啊因為院長講說要三百多億那世襲講兩百多億到底聽誰的啊世襲有經過細色有精算的勒是不是 殷商哪有精算啊用嘴巴打嘴砲啊所以你們不要把我講的話 |
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你在立法院對我的承諾然後你們私底下就不繼續做你一個月能不能答覆我你們公安出去沒有你公安付本給我好了因為你要他重新計算不是一個月能夠完成的啦你花點小錢嘛你起碼讓院長知道馬祖大橋在現階段到底需要多少錢嘛是不是有政治的問題嗎 沒有吧有預算的問題嗎 也沒有嘛 |
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預算的問題可能在財政上會有點壓力啦,是不是?有技術性的問題嗎?技術性的問題也排除了嘛營商也排除了嘛,是不是?那剩下經費的問題,我也同意,我們延後再來考量嘛那你現在起碼你要給世襲公文啊,好不好?另外那個,局長你請回,你同意嗎?你公安方對付款給我,好不好? |
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市長那個齁,上次部長提到70歲以上,因為78歲三峽那邊發生了一個車禍嘛,是不是?然後要加嚴,對70歲以上的人要加嚴嘛,是不是?我也說我也是車禍害者嘛,我也提到嘛,是不是?那我是,我的建議你們開始修法的動作開始做了沒有? |
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我想跟委員報告原則上我們提出來是提高高齡者的安全價值那至於說相關的提出來以後我們對外也說明說在三個月內會提出相關的配套措施那這部分我們正在做處理我上次主要質詢的內容是希望你們注意到體格的問題嘛是不是體能的問題嘛還有認知功能的測驗嘛 |
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老是把78歲來開刀咧那65歲也出了動態車禍那45歲也發生動態車禍那45歲也要來處理囉沒有道理了嘛所以你們在修法的時候你還沒修版本還沒出來啦你修法的時候要有這樣的一個認知好不好 |
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不然的話就你們腦袋有問題,不是我腦袋有問題啊原則上我們會對於有風險或高風險的駕駛人有相關的一套處理的機制好不好,這修法是注意一下好不好還有這一次這個造礁條例裡面有扯到噪音的問題噪音啊,噪音車啊你們從原來 |
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我看很多委員的提案,從原來的多少?900到1800上限嘛調整一倍,1800到3600嘛你認為對噪音有嚇阻作用嗎?能夠改這個人的都很有錢的咧他們有專門的地方嘛,那個噪音啊那嚇死人咧,以為出車禍這個很像不是爸爸媽媽生的啊那個衝出去以後那種速度啊那會出重大車禍的 |
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你們應該把這個標準還要再把它提高啦,你一定要惡煮他啦,我跟你講啦你不惡煮他,街頭到處尤其三星半夜啊,到處都是你們怎麼抓?你叫警察去抓嗎?你就開槍打他啦,我跟你講啦,不然他不會停的你的速度沒有他的快嘛,是不是 |
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你們這個方向也要去想一下噢照音車的問題啊你抓不到他的除非你抓到他摩托車你用BMW追他追得上現在照音車都很高檔都雙B的是不是你回答我一下 |
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這個部分我跟委員報告一下剛剛委員提到的確實是一個重點那在處罰條例裡面這個排氣管這個部分只是一個硬體的中置但是產生噪音的那個部分還是要回歸到這個噪音管制法的部分所以有關於這個噪音管制法這個相關的處罰的規定的話我們會來建議這一個環境部這個因為像空服法空服法裡面都有到這個吊銷牌照這些相關的部分我們會再來建議你不要找環保署我們要來測 |
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你等人到了那車子已經到哪裡了台北他已經開到台中了現在都有那個自動車噪音的這些科學儀器還有另外一個就是檢舉檢舉檢舉檢舉人你徒增警察的人力嘛是不是五百萬人檢舉那麼警察是五百萬人在那邊現場開單嘛是不是有五百萬件 |
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那現在檢舉人已經要取消了,我們上次修法的時候把它取消了現在又來了,檢舉人透過什麼?透過110110打電話去分局,打電話去派出所,派出所跟分局要回報110還存在啊,還是一樣的啊那我也聽說有些人認為說檢舉人制度應該要存在 |
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那你叫警察,你看,警察現在,你們去看看,任何一個基層的警察他有個腰帶,裡面有電話、手機什麼的,槍、子彈,整排都是啊他們還算有腰啊,那算我的話,那整個褲子要掉下去啦那個重量是多重你知道嗎?好不好,你們在這個檢檢制度的部分,你們也要檢討一下好不好 |
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那其他大概沒什麼事了我想尤其高鐵的事情我是覺得隨便換人都沒道理的好不好謝謝好謝謝陳寫生委員的質詢現在請游浩委員質詢 |
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謝謝趙偉 那有請次長好 陳次長 |
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委員好市長好那延續剛才學生委員他所提到的大概在這個長輩未來來講的這個因為三峽的事件之後啊那時候有包括的一些就是重新換照的標準有提高那在本席在兩個禮拜前那時候有提到那時候鼓勵他們長輩換照的一個普及率跟通知的一個比例那時候有提到能夠讓長輩 |
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能夠盡量來鼓勵換照用一些優惠券來鼓勵他們說小禮物但是其實更務實的做法還是回歸到長輩他們相關在車子的輔助系統那在其他國外其實都有相關的補貼補助 |
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那時候在提出的時候交通部那時候部長是有說會再演繹那我想請問一下這個演繹也兩個多禮拜到現在那相關的長輩的車子這種輔助系統他們在申請的這個方案那現在有沒有進展 |
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跟委員報告一下這上次委員這個執行完之後那大概是指日本這個所謂防護柴油門的部分那我們也立刻去這個透過包括車輛專業去了解日本現在相關的規定那確實就是說日本有一個這個裝置就是說車輛在10公里以下或是車輛在停止的時候那如果說突然有柴油門他透過一個影像偵測的方式那如果說前面有障礙物或者那部分他就切斷這個油門 |
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那這個東西基本上是一個後裝的這個部分那我們也去了解說這樣子的裝置基本上跟廠牌適用的這個車型都有關那這個裡面還有一些技術的一個課題我們現在車安中心也在持續做一個這個分析也在了解說這個產品在日本 |
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因為這東西真的一方面是講說可能這個可防止霧彩但是另外一個部分的話會不會有其他的一個相關的部分這個東西技術課題都還要再做處理另外產品的一個在日本的認證方式是怎樣子這個部分我們都持續在這個數學資料跟這個研究當中因為這個東西是一個裝置可能要這個作業也更慎重一點 |
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那大致上這個裝置它就是為了要這種的情況高齡者在駕駛的時候而有的這種的裝置那在日本的話都已經有相關的一個補貼的一個措施那當然要不要申請是在於就是行車的包括長輩他們要不要來就是跟機關做申請是相關的補貼那所以當然說有進度的話已經在進行這個研究很好 |
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那當然說各個車型當然就有各個不同的一個相關的這個一定能夠理解那北齊還是希望說在一個月之內還能夠把這一個是不是有補貼方案也能夠跟社會大眾來做一個說明因為我相信這個部分民眾也在期待這個補貼方案到底什麼時候能夠有那大致上這是合理的啦這個有補貼這個車廂的一個改進我相信這個絕對是正向合理啦 |
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OK 那我想跟委員說明一下委員剛才提到的那樣的一個補貼的機制或獎勵的機制等等的我們對外也說明會在三個月內提出相關的一個配套措施我想在那個方案裡頭我們一併來說說好 那我尊重你的時間那再來就是軍人登機禮遇的這件事情那國防部今天在場的長官要不要一起出來 |
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當然在昨天的時候那國民黨跟民眾黨大家通過這個不管是志願役或義務役那在這個包括親自待遇的部分那都能夠有一個保障那相信這個對於目前辛苦的甚至榮譽的我們的現役軍人包括義務役他也都是一個很好的一個一個一個鼓勵啦因為他們確實是為國辛勞那在交通部以及國防部 |
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在昨天要通過之前也趕快開了一個記者會有提到的軍人登基榮譽的措施本席也同樣認為我們尊重軍人 榮耀軍人都是一個很正確的事情必須讓他們保家衛國 |
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但是在這個目前來講他在現役捐援的部分能夠做一個登機禮遇的部分他只有針對國際線那我以前在當兵的時候在服役那時候是海龍蛙兵但是我剛好做參議啊做差架所以說 |
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我知道說在外島的部隊的阿兵哥其實他們在國內線的時候他們是不是能夠有這樣子的榮譽對他們鼓勵太陽他們需求比較大並不是每一個現役軍人都有那麼充足的時間他還可以長飛國外啊可以自由行啊畢竟當很多的軍人他們其實雖然放假了之後能夠回家陪家人就已經不容易了那所以說還是要問一下 |
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不管是交通部或是國防部的長官看這個國內線的話目前進展如何那才是實際上對軍人最直接的一個理喻 |
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那我想跟委員說明一下有關那個軍人登機領域我的了解是應該是航空公司應該是國內線的航空公司主動提出來規劃的所以剛才委員特別提到是不是可以擴展到國內線等等的這個我想我們會轉達透過民航局轉達給國內的 |
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相關的航空公司 看他們怎麼樣來做相關的規劃朝著委員的一個方向來努力好 沒關係 市長我不為難你那其實在這個部分 華民航局他很明確的說六家國際航空業者 如阿誠對國際線的部分還來協助這個軍人禮遇登機的部分那在這一個政策為何會如此來有這個措施跟禮遇那媒體報導也是 也直接指出的是由上到下 |
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那由上到下在趕在昨天運會的那個通過軍人條例的時間點這個沒有關係只要能夠榮耀軍人我們都是樂觀其成但是如果說以民航局的話他也直接提到說這是針對國際線那所以國內線目前來講確實是沒有那所以本期在這裡還是要為我們軍人的需求啊為我們國軍弟兄還是要反映如果說在機會的這個登機啊禮遇的部分那國內線的話其實相對來講 |
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他們也是更有需求而且包括離島的軍人他們更是會用得到那當然說機會一個蘿蔔一個坑啊大家也不會說造成任何說機會會去插隊的問題並不會那如果說要榮耀軍人來感恩我們軍人的一個付出那國內線的話其實確實是 |
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更是需要的那所以本席在這裡還是請交通部也表達跟國防部還以及相關的我們的民航局還能夠針對國內線的部分還能夠有一些社會的回應或是進展那同樣的在退役軍演以及軍眷還在那天的記者會也提到說要做一個演繹那這個部分演繹有沒有會不會那也希望到時候再過一段時間本席會持續追蹤這個社會各界一個回應 |
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建文會轉給民航局 請問國際航空公司來考量好 謝謝 那除了民航局之外國防部的態度我希望也有 OK 謝謝是是 好 謝謝委員 謝謝謝謝游浩委員的執行現在請王育明委員執行謝謝我們召委 有請我們次長好 陳次長 |
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市長好市長我今天要跟你討論是高齡駕駛這個議題第一個問題就是當時在106年的時候你們讓年滿75歲以上的駕駛完全不用換照然後他可以繼續駕駛你知道嗎當時的75歲的這一群人他現在事隔8年最高年齡 |
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最低年齡可能已經83歲了而這些人如果他現在還在開車他比你現行的75歲你還要要求他一定時間換照他是都不用的但是他適合嗎這個部分你們是獨露喔這個黑數完全沒有管但是100年你們去考察各國的時候高齡駕駛是全面列管為什麼台灣到現在我們還存在有83歲以上老人家他在駕駛但是交通部是完全不管他的也不用回來換照 |
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你要不要管我想跟委員報告一下我們對於這個應該是106年開始實施的這當時的75歲以上的我們是採用動態管理的方式不是不管啦就是說當他有違規沒有動態管理啊你們那時候是有違規祭典才管啊但是他如果有一些差狀或是他已經不適合他可能常常有狀況他不見得違反你們的規則喔但是已經就是不適合 |
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那這個你怎麼管是他有他有擦撞的話應該都有相關的肇事的一個記錄啊所以不一定肇事啊他可能是自己去去撞到那個路邊或什麼啊就是他沒有去你們的交通規則裡面是跟人家產生一些糾紛的時候你們才會把或是他失職的狀況那另外我的了解公路局他們也會對針對這一區所以好這個市長我要問的是你們這部分就打算繼續這樣子都不管是不是 |
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我跟委員報告一下我們從相關的一個數據你們就應該要比照你們現在的75歲嘛要求這一群人都已經到83歲如果你要繼續駕駛你要求他們必須回來啊你要檢測他的體能啊你現在的政策很矛盾的是你針對75歲 |
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你把關這麼嚴格 現在還在開了83歲 你是完全沒有在管我覺得這是不對的 當時監察院也糾舉你們 你們這個其實是便宜行事就是擔心工作太多 所以才沒有去管所以這個部分 第一個我就講我的訴求 我要求應該是要管的要不然你在政策上 你自己說服不了自己 75歲了 你還要求他回來健檢做什麼 |
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那這些已經高達高齡到83歲的什麼都不用做這個在政策上的不一致我要要求你們要徹底的檢討這個部分我希望次長你可以帶回去我認為這個是一個嚴肅的課題你不應該當時的一個 |
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監察院也糾正你們 你們當時這樣的便宜形式 到現在還繼續讓這個漏洞沒有補起來 我覺得應該是要補起來是 我們把委員的意見帶回去 我們相關的如果有必要的話 提供相關的書面給委員 |
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這個我要求一定是要管的第二個就是你們現在相關的配套現在還沒看到你剛剛特別提到說你們三個月之後要端出來我不知道端出什麼樣的方案喔那我就問你這幾項會不會在你的方案裡面第一個是自動緊急煞車系統 |
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要去強制配備 應該要配備的部分目前包括日本 南韓 歐盟 美國他們其實通通都有在做一些相關的實施那這個有沒有在你們的方案之一有或沒有跟委員報告這是屬於新車的安全法規這我們已經納入法規的當然會做嘛UNECE的法規我們預計從幾年開始我們從應該是117年吧這麼久 |
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因為那是小型車的新車啦所以117年以後全面也都會加裝這個AV出來的新車會採用既有形式的話是119年那現在既有的車輛你們會不會去要求 |
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有些是可以改加裝的那加裝以後它因為牽涉到整個車輛系統的問題恐怕不改還好 改了可能會出問題這樣的一個技術有它一定這個部分我要求你們應該要去研議另外一個是OBD車載診斷系統這個部分在你們現在方案裡面有沒有日本有 南韓有 |
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荷蘭也有歐盟也有在你們現在演繹的方案裡面有沒有這個要去配套的安裝系統有沒有 |
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14745.12 |
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對 我們有相關的EDR的行車記錄系統一樣跟這個的它也可以發揮減速示警的效果就是到一些敏感區域它會去診斷 去記錄當時的相關的一個那你是診斷記錄啊 人家這個是提醒啊我們標榜我們AI 我們智慧國家但是在交通這一塊這麼的不智慧 這個是不行的我希望你們好好的去研議喔那我現在看起來對 我們了解一下 |
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對你們現在研議的內容我覺得太空泛了而且這些真正人家其他國家做得好的部分都沒有上來另外一個就是危險駕駛的部分針對高風險有一些國家他會限制像我剛剛講的83歲以上如果他要開高速公路他要高速駕駛夜間駕駛 |
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那這個部分適不適合有沒有配合他後面的那個整個身體健康的狀況的見解那像你可以看到美國人家是很細緻的就是他會去做這樣子的一個評估然後呢像這個南韓我覺得也做得很好 |
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他會根據你這個個案他會去認為如果你年紀夠太大你就是社區駕駛就好但是不以夜間駕駛或是高速駕駛我覺得這些都是非常細膩的人家做的比我們好的部分這個次長我對你有信心我希望 |
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這個你交通專業 這一些其他國家做得好的部分藉著這一次我們的高齡駕駛出現這麼多的狀況我覺得國家有責任 我們提出一個更好的政策更好的配套 然後來讓我們的這一些高齡者他們真的就是在國家的相關政策跟配套底下是安全的駕駛 那有一些該禁止的就是你的禁止是保護他的安全你們也應該要拿出你們的原則跟看法 |
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最後再強調一次你們之前漏網之語現在已經高齡83歲以上的這一群人你們通通都沒有進一步的去管理這個部分我要求你們應該要重新就是去要求他們檢測然後真的83歲以上高齡還適合開車再讓他開而不是現在完全都不管以上謝謝謝謝委員的指教 謝謝謝謝王育民委員的執行現在請鄭天才委員執行 |
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好 張偉 各位委員 有請次長好 陳次長還有台鐵公司的代理董事長好 吳政志委員好你好 大家辛苦了齁好這個0403地震之後已經很久很久了但是整個 |
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14929.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
台鐵宜花東地區鐵路設施安全改善計畫目前進度怎麼樣 |
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14931.046 |
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跟委員報告 剛剛講我們大概分幾個有短期的啦那我們針對一些的排水池有一些加大那我們做一些告警的設施還有包括一個組的設施這邊都在做那另外在畫面上所講的是屬於我們的中期的部分64.1億這個計畫是目前我們這個計畫已經包到部裡面去 |
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我們會來加速相關的一個處理這個6月4號這個台鐵公司有含附在6月4號之後我也質詢過部長 |
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這個交通部在5月1號審查之後這個台鐵公司也很快的就把這個公文送到交通部了現在到底發文了沒有公文有人再確認一下因為這個文我剛才跟同仁討論一下這個文我們已經抱怨了已經抱怨了這個就是 |
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也請這個交通部這邊 次長轉達給部長能夠親自跟院長趕快來核定好 接下來這個台鐵的那個帳價 |
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15029.173 |
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2月5號公告台北到花蓮調漲32.51%高雄到台東調漲34.41%那台北到台東的票價自強號要高達935而這個花東沒有高鐵的選擇 |
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公路也常常中斷因為這個蘇蛙公路因為0403的地震的關係常常中斷都是需要沒有其他的替代的替代的一個方案所以本席也一再的質詢交通部也質詢過五次長也質詢過部長就希望不要調帳質詢過很多次 |
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總共從3月5號就開始質詢3月5號、4月7號、4月9號、4月14號、4月30號、5月15號但是這個交通部行政院還是做了這個所謂的調帳然後做了一些優惠而這個優惠對我們來說尤其是你要必須要幾點點數要有會員 |
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因為以前鄉親從來不加入會員的很少你們可以調查有加入會員的很少很少所以這個部分就等於是沒有什麼實益現在才開始要加入會員實益非常有限而且你們的規定只有花東戶籍在花蓮台東的 |
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跟過去你們那個花東實名制那個部分的UV的可以附集在花東的可以那現在都沒有了現在只能涉及在花蓮跟台東是本席也發文給台鐵第一個UV的不管他他會在西部工作就寫啊對不對然後還有他的鄉親他的配偶 |
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還有在花蓮台東就學的學生這些都給他既然我們達不到不漲價最起碼優惠會員的部分擴大而經費來源我一再的講就是花東基金沒有要台鐵去承擔 |
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你們也不應該自己承擔這個優惠政府的要優惠那就有花東基金你們有去協調國發會嗎跟我們報告因為 |
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花崗基律的事情,這個是全責在行政院,當然我們會盡力來爭取剛剛提到UV這個事情,我想跟委員報告因為事實上以我來講,我的是P開頭P開頭我現在都住台北,我也沒有住雲林 |
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所以如果說營林裡面有什麼優惠你說要給我 我覺得我會拿得不太好意思我們真的是希望給當地的就是你在那邊有居住的行為的我們這樣子比較合理啦因為畢竟它是對外的一個交通我來說齁我來說這個 這個不是我開創的花東那個台鐵過去那個買票的實名制 |
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就是這樣啊對不對是針對你在UV你但是你只是針對你要去台東去花蓮的時候才有這個所以這個部分而且給你沒有要你去虧錢 |
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去跟花東基金去協調去申請所以既然是花東基金那你就把它擴大包括在花蓮台東的就學的學生好不好來研究謝謝好謝謝好謝謝鄭天才委員的執行現在請陳俊宇委員執行 |
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15305.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
15331.628 |
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好 謝謝主席有請陳政次及吳政次好 兩位政次市長午安委員午安市長那個高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分現在目前已經進入這個二階環評的最後的階段那我們也期待說最快的期程有可能在8月 |
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15332.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15350.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
會有一個這個最後的結果看能不能順利在年底進入綜合規劃對這是我們希望的那現在就是宜蘭這個包括縣政府也有提出一個構想就是鐵路跟高鐵共構的這個想法那 |
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15351.437 |
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15369.471 |
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對於這個部分可以減少土地徵收的經費也可以減少農地破損的原因我想請教次長,針對這個部分可行性為何?我跟委員報告,這兩個的進入目前是不一樣的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
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如果說兩個要把它放在一起,我認為宜蘭高架的計畫進度會受到嚴重影響因為現在這個高鐵部分現在還在做專業小組的審查,上一次第一次去的時候委員有參加,很熱心參加第二次現在等著環境部來安排,因為我們做一些修正來做一個說明 |
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那宜蘭高鐵部分這個環評部分就沒有問題如果說還在等他兩個路廊共過的話那整個的環評我看整個都集成會往後延一定往後延絕對往後延而且延的時間可能會不少好 |
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那這個高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分,它所通行的這個路廊會經過許多的這些農地嗎?是也會有這個進縣建的相關的問題,那對於這個進縣建還有農地對於農民徵收的這個權益,我們有沒有什麼基本的保障的想法? |
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金縣政府我想跟委員報告,金縣其實不是所謂金縣,只是說他來申請我們希望不要影響到高鐵結構的安全而已一般大概都會準,沒有問題,只是要考慮到它之間的關係,這個金縣我想不是問題 |
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那至於徵收部分我當然會依照現在的目前一些徵收的相關規定我們會給予優惠的然後又包括他如果說自動拆遷之類的話我們可以給他一些獎勵金這個我想我們會用最優惠的方式來辦理好那另外 |
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現在鐵路高架的部分鐵路高架的部分已經從這個東山羅東一直到市城這邊了嘛市城沒有對於市城開始那裡對 就是鐵路高架就是到那邊那 |
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從市城到礁溪頭城的部分我們有沒有一個規劃期程就是未來他這個鐵路高架的這個基層會是在落在什麼時候如果依照目前他鐵路高架就立體化的部分的話大概是有地方政府要提出來他的需求 |
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然後進行可行性 那我們來進行審議如果有它的必要性 它的急迫性這些還財務可行 我想我們這個會來支持好 鐵路高架對於宜蘭縣縫合這個東西向的這個經濟發展是非常重要的那我也期待說這個工程後續 |
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我們現在所啟動的這15.8公里以外後續的這個交息跟投診的部分我們也可以盡快來來完成那當然這個也需要縣政府積極來配合是好那另外有一條這個橋是東山河的宜東橋在東山河的宜東橋 |
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15555.767 |
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宜東橋的部分在去年我們公路局9月27的時候已經審核通過了然後那到現在都沒有結果我想請教局長那針對宜東橋的後續的期程我們有沒有一個安排的一個 |
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跟委員報告9月多那個去年9月多那個是大概是初步的一個就是說搜查不過我們後來到去年年底我們有安排現勘因為它宜東橋確實就像委員那個照片說的它的橋面的寬度不夠然後我們還要抬高 |
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因為這個然後而且他還要做這個兩端的引導所以大概我們有給那個就是縣府一些意見那縣府大概做了修正經過我們東分局有給他協助所以這個今年有報到我們這邊我們會盡速再來做一個審查 |
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因為這個橋已經45年了這個安全問題我相信大家都很擔心那除了橋面不夠寬那裡面的橋墩會影響到水流我相信這是公法上我們可以看得出來所以我也希望說這個橋能夠盡快來決定說什麼時候要改建讓民眾有一個更加安全的一個通行路那另外主席再借一分鐘 |
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15637.558 |
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那這個62線從瑞濱要延伸到宜蘭的部分,那我們分別在去年的8月跟12月交通部跟國發會已經呈報行政院了那對於這個可行性評估的部分,我們後續時間大概還有多久的時間可以正式來完成 |
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可行性的部分報院院交給國發會國發會他會商就是院內包括這個財政主計還有相關的工程單位所以大概就是說這個國發會有會診院的一個各單位的意見然後有在一個依照行政程序也有在院裡面在處理所以我想這個部分只要院核定我們可行性研究的話我們綜合規劃跟環境影響評估我們就開展 |
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好那這部分還是拜託我們局長跟次長還有我們部內所有的同仁能夠盡快的來核定早日讓他進入這個綜合規劃那宜蘭對外的聯絡道路我相信不是這個宜花東的人這個引頸期盼而已更是全台灣喜愛旅遊的民眾 |
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15714.231 |
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最大的希望因為你現在要去伊華東你不管是去跟回的時候常常會碰到這種交通的瓶頸所以我拜託我們交通部就是針對這個部分應該要積極的來辦理不管是鐵道的部分或是公路系統的改善讓這個宜蘭對外的這個交通可以盡快的這種視通巴打好 以上謝謝兩位次長及我們的局長好 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝陳敬宇委員的執行現在請樓庭偉委員執行好 謝謝主席 有請次長好 陳正思還有林福山師長林師長 |
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15760.389 |
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好 次長好 我們繼續持續面對問題 解決問題啦這個問題從3月27召開記者會 5月21來這邊問部長一直到今天 可惜今天部長沒來 但我相信陳世凱部長是個願意面對問題 解決問題的人但是不曉得部長對於升降尾門 警示燈跟車尾騎的一個推動有多少魄力 |
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我們講了很久了到底是要推還是不推市長你知道現在有多少輛裝有升降尾門的車輛嗎有嗎跟委員報告一下那個因為大小貨車大概這個17、8萬輛17、8萬輛那有裝升降尾門的那個數字我們現在特別做部長說回去會研議喔5月21到現在6月11了3週了請問一下升降尾門警示燈跟車尾期研理的結果如何 |
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根文報告我這禮拜有開過會然後呢大概就是說幾個課題我已經把它做一個預計新車什麼時候開始安裝根文報告是不是在給我們認識因為這個要訂基準出來那我問你嘛新車在115年1月1號安裝有沒有困難我們朝這個目標來做努力 |
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來努力可以承諾嗎我跟委員報告一下我們朝這個目標來做努力因為這個東西這個基準出來之後牽涉到那個單品新車基本上加快速度去安裝應該困難度比較少我跟委員報告這應該沒問題但是那個標準要先出來啦當然我知道要有標準嘛那在舊車呢舊車的這個部分我想說基準出來之後我們再來這個輔導 |
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當然舊車要輔導啦我們也希望給予一些寬限期那我們建議115年6月以後全面安裝你覺得有困難嗎 |
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這個可能我跟文報告這個可能在討論我的認同是可以給予寬限期啦但是你要怎麼樣去加強輔導你要有配套啊那你要告訴我說你要116年我也不是說鐵板一塊溝通產業那你要怎麼具體的方案去做溝通去做配套你要讓我知道啊 |
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我想說我們有具體規劃成果就跟委員報告我另外跟委員報告一下那個使用中車輛的一個這個部分當然標準出來之後那使用中車輛如何加裝那這個剛剛講的一個部分使用中車輛高檔這個20萬輛這樣的東西要回去安裝如何安裝在哪邊安裝這個東西都還有一些量的課題這個東西因為我們好 |
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這個我都可以體諒但是我要講的是我們要多少人的傷亡才能夠換回這件事情被重視升降尾門不是我在那邊吵那邊鬧是我看到這麼多人死亡市長你知道有人傷亡嗎 |
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我瞭解 瞭解所以這個已經造成死亡的一個案例我想為了三峽事件我們也積極的在補破網希望能夠做一個變革但是在深巷尾門也有人死亡那這個部分上我們也應該好好關切可以認同嗎 市長 |
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是 我想我們很感佩委員對這個議題的一個重視安全是沒辦法打折扣但是實務上要去安裝的時候 還有實務上的一個困難那這部分就容許我們在相關後續配套措施因為已經有拖一段時間了啦在去年的六月跟九月 車安中心就已經討論過了今年三月又討論一次結果還是沒有下文 我想市長很清楚 |
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這個部分是不是東西我跟文報告一下不是沒有下文因為第一個部分安裝我們家裝警示燈或這個東西去查了都沒有國際的標準那這個好不容易說德國有一個這個標準可以來援引來參考那這個要安裝就必須要比如說這個警示燈他的照度灰度然後國內有沒有這樣子的證據都必須要去去確認等等不然光有基準出來國內沒有這種燈光做安裝的話那想安裝這個 |
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好啦 你有找到一些困境可是我要講的是車安中心的其他議題去年12月25日今年3月27日 只開兩次會今年5月中就有7項結果更顯得升降為門警示燈 車尾騎推動我希望你們能夠放在心上好 那老師以納入研議啊 相關討論啊這個藉口我覺得 次長 |
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這樣子我認為是不及格我還是要說的不要讓50件100件才要喚起我們的重視而是看到問題就趕快解決問題那所以這個到底要多久你總要有個期程吧市長市長 |
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跟我們報告有關標準的部分是不是容許這個兩個月內我們已經這個完成這個訂定兩個月內訂定出標準基準基準 對然後你要再怎麼去配套去溝通具體的去做輔導然後再來訂出更具體的一個實施時間是這樣可以吧可以兩個月內至少你車安還有內部你要有一個基準可以吧是拜託越快越好每一天都可能造成傷亡我們這個中照委員這個部分加速來辦理 |
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好 盡快辦理 謝謝謝謝羅廷偉委員的執行現在請李昆成委員執行好 謝謝主席我們請次長 陳次長好 陳次長 |
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市長好 今天是要討論這個道路交通管理處罰條例那本席也有提案 不論今天是詢答那當初我提案是針對這個無照駕駛但是現在呢 除了這個無照駕駛的問題之外呢還有高齡駕駛的問題 甚至有兩個合在一起的問題那可是行政院好像交通部版本還沒有送過來嘛 對不對有關這個無照駕駛還有這個高齡駕駛的部分 |
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這個條文我們正又再做稍微的一個修正然後我們會在六月底送到行政院去六月底好那我先講這個無照駕駛好了無照駕駛我本來我的提案就是只有這個加重罰則但是後來發現說這個不曉得這個為什麼這個事件 |
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呃 層出不窮不知道是之前媒體沒有去關注到還是怎麼樣因為三峽那件事情之後大家才注意到說無照駕駛 高齡駕駛的事情那所以說我按照齁 這個陳部長他所講的齁你們這個這個處罰條例齁將會說這個將這個無照駕駛比照酒駕當場吊扣車輛及牌照那車主連帶重罰而且累犯罰款無上限大概是這個方向嗎 |
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這個方向在做處理好這個方向在做處理所以我剛剛所講的就是說如果他這一個是無照的話被抓到了當場就吊扣車輛還有牌照車輛我們會疑似保管然後吊扣牌照吊扣牌照那這個罰款呢 |
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我們會規劃分它是無照機車或汽車有不同的罰款額度然後呢這個罰款沒有上限然後接下來是累犯設計上就是跟酒駕一樣第一次的話就是按照剛才講的這個 |
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氣機車分開接下來累犯第二次會有給他一個額度然後第三次以上的以後就是一直加所謂加是把第一次第二次再加第三次然後如果你第四次就1234就一直這樣往下加所以叫做罰款沒有上限以上好那這是屬於這個無照駕駛部分那還有要補充說明的嗎 |
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剛才也特別提到 原則上就是駕駛跟車輛是一併做處理的啦所以剛才講到駕照 如果你是無照駕駛的時候滑環以外 無上限以外那另外會對於你無照的情節來做這個吊扣駕照或者是吊銷駕照的一個處理那你那一台這個無照駕駛開的車子剛才有講到當場一致保管以後就會有吊扣那吊扣也會有期限的不同 |
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那如果你這個汽車駕駛人你去開的這部車不是你本人的話那一樣相關的這個汽車所有人該要做的處罰我們一併罰這樣那跟那個行為人是同樣的嗎行為人同樣當然就是一套的也就是說有關汽車跟不同一個人他相關的一個處罰其實是會是一樣的好那這是無照駕駛的部分那高齡駕駛的部分咧 |
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高齡駕駛的部分原則上部長有特別提到我們原則上在未來的三個月內會提出相關的一個配套的一個措施那相關的一個方向不外乎就是提升高齡駕駛的一個安全以這樣的一個觀點去研理後續的一個規劃 |
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那這裡頭會去希望提高這個高齡駕駛人的這個危險感知或這個相關安全的知識對法規的了解所以它會有一個相關的一個講習那另外我們會跟這個駕駛會跟醫療資會跟這個這個醫生或醫學會或是其他學者我們會組成一個交通部有一個駕駛醫療諮詢委員會我們會去對於認知 |
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功能的相關的如何更精進會去討論那第三個部分就是大家經常提到的如果是高風險的這個駕駛人我們如何認定如何判定然後如何來換照如何來限制他駕車等等的一個配套那當然還有特別提到說是不是有要安裝其他的一個設備我想這個我們都一併再考量那換照年齡就是確定從75歲下修到70歲 |
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原則上這個大家對於這個年齡的問題都持續在關注上那這部分我們會聽聽看大家的意見來做處理那原則上是以高風險的駕駛人來做處理好那所以這個都是我關於無照跟高齡駕駛都是六月份會送出來 |
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是有關無照駕駛的處罰條例的修正條文那高齡的話我們大概8月底前會提出來好 那最後一個問題現在有關這個微型電動二輪車的這一個駕照的這個制度那請問一下你們現在對於這個微型電動二輪車有在做管理嗎 |
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微型電動二輪車的話不管是從登記領牌那個或者是保險我們大概都有一系列的的管理的規定那在這裡頭我剛才我也特別說明就是有關駕照的話是跟現行的汽機車的管理上是有缺這個 |
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那這部分的我們後續會去跟教育部或相關單位去研究或地方政府去研究如何來對去騎乘微型電動二輪車的這個駕駛朋友來做一些相關的講習或訓練現在是 |
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您滿14歲國中學生免訓練無駕駛就可以騎微型電動二輪車因為現行對於微型電動二輪車是把它定位為慢車那慢車就是這樣的跟腳踏車一樣所以是沒有駕照的所以這部分你們要怎麼去做修正 |
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所以這部分加上我剛才講對這部分我們會去跟相關單位來討論如何讓這個訓練落實在那裡頭譬如說學生跟學校或跟教育單位或是你賣車的人對賣出去的車子如何讓這個車輛所有人能夠有一些相關的訓練那所以原則上還是可以騎只是說你們多了教育訓練這樣子嗎是是是 |
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這樣子蠻奇怪的啦就是那至於說是不是因為他是慢車啦是是是我覺得再跟你們討論一下因為這個衍生還蠻多問題的好不好時間有限謝謝主席謝謝市長謝謝謝謝李坤城委員的執行鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請劉錫廷委員執行 |
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謝謝主席 次長有請好 陳次長喂 |
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市長 午安我們今天討論盜交管理處罰條例這個稍早本期在做提案說明的時候其實有談有關於噪音車的問題那我先請教一下交通部自從2025年我們在改裝排氣管這樣的一個認證制度正式上路之後現在抓到了多少的違規案件那請問你們這邊跟環境部這邊有沒有做統整這樣子的一個制度上路之後改裝排氣管噪音車擾民的狀況有沒有減少 |
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如果數字的麻煩你們說明一下好不好來 陳記者就是目前舉發這個違規有兩萬多件兩萬八千多件這兩萬八千多件是 |
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是各類的設備的缺失的違規排氣管 我問的是排氣管 噪音車嘛我們今天討論噪音車的問題是不是因為排氣管的那個部分我想我們還要再做一個還要有細部數據對 因為它那個條款裡面有包括好幾類設備 |
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來這樣子好了 這個今年是2025嘛2024因為去年今年新制舊制上路之前差別有沒有出來這是本席要非常關心的因為大家都非常討厭噪音車半夜擾民的一個狀況那大家都希望不管是中央還是地方都可以來針對這個東西來做源頭的取締跟查緝嘛那你講今年有兩萬八千件但不全是排氣管嘛那是所有的改裝類型嘛 |
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那這裡面排氣管有多少同樣在去年的時候排氣管的改裝類型有多少請你會後幫我整理資料好不好我們作為一個修法一個參考那提案的部分其實我們剛剛都已經說得非常清楚了這個罰則的部分要往上加嘛第二個檢驗驗車的費用當然是要自行負擔我們就把明文入法 |
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這我看你們交通部的回覆基本上就是尊重審查結果那我們到達法條審查的時候我們再來做討論那今天另外一個一點點時間我們還是要請教一下這我們長期關心大眾運輸的一個問題這一段時間這個今年開始我們編列補助這個公路客運業者的預算這去年是16億嘛對不對今年是24億大概有一個比較顯著的一個增加這本來本期就非常支持我們一向都非常支持大眾運輸我還嫌你增加的不夠但問題是好像 |
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上路起來這個結果還是蠻糟糕的像本溪選區南崁這個地方前幾天還是出現了這個因為一個司機感冒請假拖班拖三班那所有這個上班族通勤族大排長龍卡在那邊上不了車叫苦連天那這樣一個狀況顯然沒有改善那每次我們去詢問客運業者他還是這樣講我的司機還是找不到人那我請問你你增加補助之後針對客運業者的這個司機的缺額的問題有沒有顯著的改善 |
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你的這個相關的一些數據能不能提供來請回答 |
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數據我們會提供啦因為對於就是說各客運業者缺員的這個部分其實公路局都有相關的一個協助跟業者一起招募啦那對於就是說他招募的時候相關譬如說這一個訓練費用或者是在訓練期間的生活津貼其實我們都有那從這個去年到現在我記得應該是我們招募應該有多大概有一千位 |
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這一個全國的這個駕駛不過就是因為他也是分到這一個各個縣市包括這一個這個客運業者或市區公車的業者那這個部分我想委員所提到那個案例我們也了解那確實那個業者他因為我們去查他也說是這個駕駛這個臨時這個身體有狀況這樣子案例其實多不勝數 |
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這樣子我們還是用通盤的角度來看這個事就是說你既然有所謂的大客車駕駛擴大徵才獎勵就業方案對不對那推動以來你招募到多少心血人力缺口還有多少針對這個缺口你的配套措施是什麼這三個問題你一樣會後好不好你把這三個整理好來整理給本席來做後續的參考我可以先提供給委員一個數據好請從那個開始擴大徵才以來大概有3800多人的透過這樣方式來招募相關的駕駛人 |
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那至於詳細的數字我想公路局會會後再問我關鍵要問的是缺口還有多少因為顯然你增加禁用駕駛之後我班次沒有增加我只是本來要裁測要收班的班次我保留了嘛因為我先補了一批人進來但是大家期待不只是看到保留嘛還是在上下班特別亮眼的時間能夠增加班次然後有效輸運甚至導引大家從機車機車改做大眾運輸這才是大家想要看到的交通模式嘛 |
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好 所以一定還有缺口缺口是多少 這你會有提供本期給一個建議除了說你有些補助尤其是職前訓練的部分大概花了比較多的心力之外但改善勞動環境是很重要的就很多客運業者雖然薪水電得蠻高的可是可能是什麼長途津貼啦加班費啦這些各式各樣的東西加起來的那這個加起來的也很容易被扣掉你就遲到等等你就罰就扣 |
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就一來一往 朝三暮四待遇還是不好所以我是建議交通部這邊針對客運業者應該給予的薪資項目底薪要高一點嘛 對不對津貼什麼的比例來做一下調整針對這樣子的一個薪資結構然後讓勞動環境的改善能夠有一套設算標準這個能不能請交通部先來開始來做一下研議 |
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我們來做長時間的追蹤跟研討我們都希望客運的資源不只要加大投入而且要有效的投入 可以嗎好 謝謝謝謝劉喜廷委員的執行林楚英 林楚英 林楚英委員不在現在請楊瓊英委員執行 |
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無照重大事故頻傳 我們要如何有效的來 |
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遏制 這是我們討論的一個重點那所以呢 要請教 因為目前我們看到有衝撞騎樓 也有撞飛行人甚至爆衝 爆衝連環追撞那在這樣的情況之下 造成了很多的死傷那根據統計 台灣每一年大概有三四十萬件的事故 當然其中有五萬件是無照架式 |
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換句話說 照總數的大概六分之一到七分之一左右的這個層數那死傷的人 死亡的人員有六百多人六萬多人受傷是酒駕釀成死傷的多少倍 六倍 |
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所以呢 這個無照事故呢 不僅它是多 而且在增加我沒有看到日本 美國 新加坡他們在無照駕駛的部分呢 除了行政法之外 他有刑法他有刑法 他並且還有設計扣車甚至取消駕駛的資格 那麼也這個同層的人呢 那也做處分 也做處分 |
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當然我們不是說一定要通通都學別人但是學界認為台灣無照駕駛的成本過低 |
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那政府應該要拿出方案所以我要請教部長次長最近在修法你們也提出修法修法你是說未來無照駕駛的部分懲處的部分要比照酒駕的方式來懲處這就第一個要加重滑軟而且累犯的部分呢滑軟的部分說是要無上限那也包括了當場吊扣車子 |
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那也包括了車主連帶重罰等等的這些方向所以我要請教 目前你們的進度如何 到底你的細節是什麼 你的金額又是什麼 你預期的效果又是什麼 請做說明 |
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我想跟委員做一個說明就是有關委員也了解說我們對於無照駕駛認為要比照酒駕來做處理其實就有幾個層面分開來就駕照的部分跟車輛的部分駕駛人部分跟車那駕駛人部分又會區分他是無照駕駛機車或者是汽車所以他本身無照駕駛的這個 |
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現在在討論的就是無照駕駛的這個部分對 這個就會分開對 這個就會分開它的罰範會分開那完了以後呢 就會分開以後然後它以後又累範的時候它會累範會給它譬如說累範第二次它會有一個罰範的額度然後到了三次以上它就累加就是把第一次 第二次 第三次的罰範一起加進去如果第四次就一二三次一起加所以才會有講到說罰範無上限就是這樣的概念 |
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所以你都要付出代價那這是駕照的部分那駕照的部分除了罰款以外還會做吊扣的處理吊扣駕照會依照你的勤節有一到兩年的兩到四年的甚至致人重傷或死亡的是屬於終身吊照的部分這是駕照的部分 |
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那車輛的部分你看那部無照駕駛的車輛他就會當場一致保管一致保管的同時就是會當場一致保管對一致保管以後就會做吊扣駕照吊扣牌照的處理那也會依照他的次數第一次依照他的情節對三個月六個月到一年不等 |
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那當然剛剛有特別提到車輛所有人不是駕駛人的時候他也要併罰相關的一個處罰也是連帶罰對連帶罰那有學者建議也就是說吊扣駕照仍然是無照駕駛因為這一塊很多有一些數字所以有學者認為必須納入刑法 |
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那累犯更應該要有累犯你剛剛說的這個罰則才能夠抑制一些危險駕駛他就是怎麼樣圖一個僥倖的心態 賭一個不會被抓到的心態那我們政府的立場是如何呢 |
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是為了要讓大家對於無照駕很正式的無照駕駛是在對於車輛或是行駛一個車輛自我一個責任很重要所以我們在這裡才會希望說他累罰而且無上限透過這個重罰來遏止那另外剛剛委員特別提到是不是要用刑罰的部分那個可能就是要請法務部看怎麼樣來做相關的考慮 |
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要去研議啦 因為其他國家有那不一定我們都跟著人家一樣但是我們的這樣子的事件一直在增加這個是 對不起人民那我們要怎麼樣有制度有法條 然後有效的我想這是非常重要因為我們談到累犯的部分呢無照駕駛跟酒駕駛一樣的所以累犯的機率是非常的高我看到這個數字近三年來無照駕駛被抓到的數量 |
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數字是18萬到20萬人次也就是說累犯就佔了將近三分之二就將近佔了三分之二所以對於要如何的遏止無照累犯本席認為應該要有所應對這個是非常的重要因為他佔了將近這個三分之二所以呢本席要在這邊也都提出金額的部分呢剛剛你沒回答本席 |
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因為大家都提案那也就是說目前最高上限是罰的是兩萬四那也有人將本席所連署所提的是三萬六最高上限那其他的如果累翻的情況有甚至說希望到這個嚴重型態的到十萬那不知道行政部門你們到底到目前為止你的方向是如何呢 |
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金額的部分原則上剛才委員特別提到的這個三萬六的這樣的一個罰網上線的這一部分呢其實我們都有朝這個方向在做規劃 |
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那詳細的一個規劃的一個情形我們在六月底的時候會提出來六月底提出那方向也是朝三萬六為上限的這個方向對我們有不同的這個對等級嘛我就在上限到時候社會上就可以了解我們相關的一個第一個一定會結論就是說第一個一定會加重這個罰金 |
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那委員也有提出的上限從兩萬四提升到三萬六你們也朝這個方向去延移然後在六月底的時候會正式跟社會大眾公告是是是好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝楊從英委員的執行麥義貞委員 麥義貞委員 麥義貞委員不在現在本席執行來請兩位政次來請兩位政次來陳政次跟吳政次 |
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好 這個因為本會委員都執行完畢所以我在主席台啊也特別來做一些簡單的一個執行說實在的對於高鐵的人事案我非常不滿我替你們打抱不平我跟你講實則啊比我們陳彥博 |
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吳聖賢 林國賢資格都還不夠可是我也沒有辦法 你們很無奈啊為什麼無奈那上面怎麼要做的事情所以你們很無奈所以我是覺得啊 今天大家非常注意的就是死者那死者啊是用空降 我一向 |
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不管當議員 不管當立委空降的人 我都非常反對為什麼 因為他不知道基層會影響士氣你最起碼的話 三位次長不管是哪一位 |
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多有經過這些歷練以及對於交通的基本的ABC你們都寫有專長嘛像這個陳正式你都當過公務整個系統交通很清楚 |
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吳政志你也當過鐵軌這整個都很內行那我也不曉得當然這是總統這是行政院長上面所要去做的所以這個就會給老百姓真的會給人家感覺到非常寒心因為交通外行 |
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然後來領導內行這個是非常非常對台灣人民是非常不尊重的那我是覺得這樣啦因為有人在問啊 記者在問我的時候我已經講得很清楚交通外行 |
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然後坐享其成還有酬庸任用這個也不要我講所以我還是要特別重點替三位政事打抱不平 |
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拚到要拚死拚拚到要拚死在溝通裡面我才不相信你們比史澤還更糟糕我絕對不相信這一點我替你們打抱不平但是民意代表沒有決定錢啊但是你們不要反駁我對你們打抱不平只是要讓賴院長只是要讓卓院長賴總統知道這樣的話是影響士氣 |
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誰幹都可以 問題就是外行酬庸這樣老百姓是不太諒解所以我在想大家都知道啊 史喆人是長得很英俊啊但是揍人處事是有問題的啊怎麼會怎麼會這個可樂不冰啊或者什麼薯條不軟啊等等這些還有霸凌知前科欸 拜託 |
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他最清楚的 他可搞過勞保 搞過文化他有搞過交通一個嗎我們最起碼的話 我們都還做過交通委員會在你們身上寫了不少的交通的專業所以我還是老化一劑啦 還是老化一劑真的 替你們打抱不平 替你們打抱不平 |
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另外一個問題我要請陳正士特別要注意國際駕照換照的問題是成為道安的漏洞這個要研究一下 |
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林市長可能要了解一下國際換照成為道安的漏洞因為為什麼國外的技術來到這裡他國際駕照 |
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等於是國際開車的水準所以這個部分我認為這個部分要拜託我們林司長這個要特別注意那另外一個就是因為我們政府都已經講了就是獨駕的問題重考的問題我必須要提醒我們陳正智跟林司長 |
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沒有違憲啦人家大華觀也沒有說違憲啊該重考的就要重考該限制的就要限制那另外一個齁我還是要建議啦就是救護車跟行人徵道這個問題當然 |
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這個行人跟車輛一定要離讓可是這裡法規是不足的喔也有一些行人他過馬路他認為我斑馬線優先但是他不會離讓救護車不會離讓警備車這個部分我們在規劃部分是不足的 |
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要不要也要修法的部分去把它加強不要說我走斑馬線你警車來也是這樣你救護車來也是這樣因為行人優先所以他沒有想說搶救優先啊所以這個部分我還是要拜託師長 |
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這個要稍微研究一下那另外一個可能最後我在這裡要特別提醒也就是家庭事故史上創新高的就是說實在的也就是寵物製造車輛的問題這個在法令上 |
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也是沒有規範的喔也是沒有規範所以我要拜託這個政次兩位政次不管是跟你有關的或者這個林福山師長這個部分這個遺漏的法令該補的要補 |
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遺漏的法運不管你用單行法規或者用行政命令或者來修法我想這些都叫做亡羊補牢的動作亡羊補牢的動作所以以上我提供這些給兩位政次還有我們那個林市長來做參考 |
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好不好所以這個非常重要不足的部分拜託把它帶回去該補的還是要補好不好好謝謝委員所提供的意見我會後續納為研究參考好謝謝請回來鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在現在請林業勤委員執行 |
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主席有請我們的次長陳正次委員好市長午安那今天我們的審查報交管理處罰條例主要是針對無照駕駛的問題這個議題我應該事實上是最早就在這邊提出來強力要求我們的交通部一定要 |
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重視那因為我從過去跟專家學者的會議當中國內外的研究文獻都看到了這個問題的嚴重性也感謝交通部在我提出後持續延伸解決方案不過今天我還是有點希望部會可以留意的就是在此之前呢我就提醒過交通部上次諮詢高齡的議題目前到現在還是沒有收到您的任何報告 |
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上次質疑的時候部長就已經答應我說兩週後要那上次要交的報告也就遲到了那現在依然是如此所以我這週是也就明天就要邀請跨部會的會議來討論此事還請我們次長這邊是不是務必要求業務單位可不可以不要遲交報告那迅速的能夠提供提交 謝謝 |
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那接下來來講就是說上午照駕駛的這個三王你們自己 |
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運營所也做過一些研究一個受傷181萬一個死亡1600萬所以如果事故成長將近22%的話年平均我們的社會成本將近千億那我們就來看就是說跟國際相比的話我們的一些法的規定就對違規則只是繳錢跟上課那課程內容還有待商榷可是相較於國外 |
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不僅事上是將無照四維行事責任 而且更配合祭典跟同城者的連帶處罰強化他律的機制 我相信市長也相當清楚啦所以想問市長 你覺得怎麼樣是最有效的 怎麼樣處罰是最有效 |
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我想委員特別提到的這些的做法其實在我們這一次處罰條例的修正尤其是有關無照的部分其實我們大概都朝這個方向來做當然這裡頭如果特別提到是不是有配合相關刑法的那是另外一個問題因為我們道路交通管理處罰條例並不是應該是行政法我們並沒有我們看日本跟新加坡 |
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我要特別跟委員特別提到這是很多人經常會提到的因為我國的這個法律的體系裡頭行政法跟刑法是分開的那像日本的話就是行政刑法所以他你會看到他有刑法在裡面那美國的話他就本來就是在刑法在做處理 |
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所以我覺得這個制度上也有所不同那原則上呢我們大概會跟法務部共同努力譬如說像那個這個酒駕的部分就有要185條我覺得無照駕駛比酒駕還更嚴重可是我們一直過去長期事實上是比較沒有關注 |
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事實上酒駕防制跟國外政策的經驗都告訴我們如果能夠配合後車處罰的話就可以有效降低違規則對於道路交通安全的危害性也可以受到立即嚇阻的效用在所以除此之外交通部在思考無照駕駛的防制對策的時候也有一些有沒有去參考相關研究那你現在制定的相關政策又是依據什麼因為 |
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前一陣子對外宣示的增加罰環那我不知道部會的依據又是什麼有沒有任何科學的一些根據所在 |
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我想委員特別提到這個罰款其實罰款為什麼會有做這樣的一個處理剛才其實很多委員也大概都有質詢就是有關這個酒駕其實為什麼會這樣我們為什麼會提出說比照酒駕是因為我們看到它的危險的一個程度或者是違規的情勢其實是遠遠高於酒駕的所以 |
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而且酒駕的話因為有那樣的一個罰環的一個設計所以我們可以發現它的違規的性質drop很多所以我們認為說在這個無照駕駛的部分如果能夠比照的話可以達到一定的一個效果所以採用這樣的方式我在現在針對無照駕駛當然有很多建議啦像罰環啦 公共運輸的普及補助駕訓教育 降低考照的年齡 |
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可是我覺得很多的東西應該可能都要更慎重那我們再來看就是說今天舉例來講在駕訓的部分其實公路局也很認真的在推我知道也有搭配研究來驗證加強我們的政策的正當性可是政策很好可是沒有辦法普及我就不知道這個政策好為什麼沒辦法普及所以這樣這部分你們是不是遇到什麼障礙或者是一些困難 |
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委員報告或許是我們還沒有把整個的這個有關機車的考照的未來幾年的改把這個納入這個訓練甚至入考的這整套的一個配套措施來跟社會大眾說說明或是向委員做說明原則上我們朝這個方向在做努力 |
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我希望能夠普及因為既然效果好的話就要考慮那再來就是我提安駕的補助是因為國外已經實施多年一直都有一個不錯的效果在而這類考照前的教育訓練駕駛教育訓練也是推動GDL那個漸進式的駕照考照的一個基礎在我相信交通部也都知道如果我們在制度上能夠讓所有考照的學習者都有誘因願意去參與考照前的學習的話 |
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那未來也有機制可以具體去提升我們的家訓班的教學品質跟量能才有辦法有效解決我們目前第一個是雞腿換照的問題 而且讓民眾可以重視我們駕照的取得跟駕駛能力的養成 而且GDL的這個 |
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三階段的機制才能夠順利推動這畢竟是我們接下來要面對到的問題你沒有辦法馬上普及的話至少有些訓練在的話才可以讓我們下降有沒有譬如說配合學習駕照或者是這樣一直到完全駕駛這樣的一個考慮所以我認為這是未來考慮年齡下修就是考照年齡下修的大前提我希望能夠去做所以減少無照駕駛違規我主張 |
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除了罰錢以外應該要有多元的配套的管理的措施那還有一些完善的資料的建置跟系統性的分析來建立科學化的那個公共政策的規劃平台還有未來我覺得還是要朝向是不是漸進式的考照制度真的要不要下修到16歲那你的配套的這些東西可能要做才有辦法達到那再麻煩次長這邊針對我三點主張 務必注意然後另外一個報告可能進述給我們 |
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我們報告相關要給委員的高齡的這個報告我們會盡快來提送那至於委員特別提到健訊室的考照其實我們現在有關學習駕照啦或者是處理考令駕照的者給他不同的這樣的一個管理的制度都在實施那後委員提供的這樣的建議我們看後續如何融入在我們的規劃方案裡面好謝謝教務部辛苦了謝謝 |
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好 謝謝林業勤委員的執行林思敏 林思敏 林思敏委員不在蔡玉瑜 蔡玉瑜 蔡玉瑜委員不在現在請葉延之委員執行 |
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主席好 麻煩請交通部次長好 陳正智喂 市長好 有關於使者要接高鐵的董事長現在應該是已經確定了嘛 對不對交通部有沒有已經正式對外宣布我想下午記者會會對外說明 |
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那這個前兩天他要接董事長這個消息剛出來的時候一開始沒有人證實我就看到一篇媒體報導是政院知情人士就跳出來證實了可見他的消息很準確那他是講說為什麼要讓史澤來接高鐵董事長的原因是因為高鐵行銷上帶強化而這是史澤的強項 |
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所以有使者來做高鐵加強行銷所以這是非常的適任我想來請教一下次長高鐵為什麼行銷上在強化高鐵現在的問題是什麼為什麼行銷上在強化我想委員那個因為是媒體上的一個報導是政院知情人士沒關係 那我問你沒關係 那我請教高鐵現在行銷需要強化嗎 |
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我想每個這個營運單位運輸單位行銷都是持續的我覺得高鐵現在主要的問題是行銷不夠強嗎還是其實要改善其他地方高鐵現在主要問題是什麼 |
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我覺得高鐵上現在整體的營運運量都屢創新高我覺得是應該是他現在正在做車輛購置上的一個問題市長就很了解狀況現在高鐵就是因為運量屢創新高平日的時候很滿的跟假日一樣假日很滿跟國定假日一樣所以應該是要 |
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你要調度車輛你要 你現在你們不是也構置車輛說兩年後才會到嘛車輛構置上的對嘛 就要兩年後嘛所以現在要當董事長的人他要有運輸的專長嘛他知道怎麼樣安全而且讓這個車輛的在調度上面順利讓旅客在搭乘高鐵的時候可以更舒適這個才是現在高鐵的重點嘛然後結果你們正院人士講說行銷行銷是什麼意思行銷是 |
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行銷就是要讓市場擴大啊等於意思是說高野現在市場不夠啦希望能夠再招攬更多的旅客讓運量再更提升這個是你們政院人士講使者來接這個理由啊那個次長你能夠接受嗎當然你講的是媒體報導啦我是說媒體報導這樣的一個知情人士說法你可以接受嗎 |
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我還是重申剛才媒體上我是問你你認不認同這樣說法我要講的就是說剛才其實我也講過要經營一個這個公司其實它需要各個 |
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各方面的這不管是人也好或者是專業也好來共同你去公司的營運所以剛才特別提到專業的這一部分不管車輛調度安全啦控管啦營運財務其實跟行銷也好都是需要一群人來幫忙的所以我覺得啦我的看法是這樣好那沒關係那我再來問你我再來問你啦那個知情人士說因為這個使者會溝通 |
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那因為高鐵不管北延或南延啊都需要他運用這個地方政府的專長啊去跟地方政府溝通啊你認同這樣說法嗎我想問一下高鐵南延或北延是由高鐵董事長來決定嗎還是你們交通部決定交通部鐵道局 |
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高鐵南延或是往宜蘭等等的當然是整個應該是我們鐵道局當然是鐵道局決定嘛而且地方政府的溝通我就舉一個例子像南延到屏東這件事情2019年當時的高雄市長韓國瑜他希望因為大家都知道南延有四個方案高雄方案左營方案還有另外兩個方案韓國瑜選的是高雄方案但是當時行政院長蘇貞昌認為要左營方案 |
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也沒有要再跟地方政府溝通啊就是交通部說了算嘛行政院拍板嘛隔了幾年之後轉彎才變成高雄站嘛所以我講這件事情我只是這樣啦要用什麼人啊這個當然都是行政院的決定啦我想使者要接高鐵的董事長可能也不是次長您可以決定的啦我不知道誰決定可能因為今天部長不在但是每一次要用這個人都都出來講這些有的沒的 |
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什麼什麼行銷專長啦高鐵行銷有待強化啦然後要運用他地方政府的經驗去跟地方政府溝通我覺得大家聽不下去啦然後我再那個趙偉再給我一點時間那個現在是因為史澤要來當高鐵董事長然後原本的高鐵董事長鄭光遠去接台鐵董事長鄭光遠接台鐵鄭光遠接高鐵董事長四個月而已嘛對吧 |
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那請問一下 你現在是在高鐵四個月正準備大刀闊斧的時候不好意思喔 你去一下台鐵有人這樣子在安排人事的喔那真正鄭光遠 他才是交通專長嘛他是交通大學的博士嘛 |
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你說如果真的要去調度車輛什麼之類的當然鄭光遠更具備這樣專長啊那我不知道說交通部現在把鄭光遠調到台鐵是要解決台鐵什麼問題 |
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這一部分我還是回到因為剛才講到鄭董事長有其專業所以他其實到了這個以後界長台鐵公司也一定會發揮他的專業我們很期待整體台鐵因為公司化進入公司化以後有很多不管是制度典章啊或者相關業務的推展都需要這個這個這麼具有專業的人來領導所以我覺得他非常適當啊 |
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那剛才特別提到那個石澤政委的部分我覺得剛才我也特別提到政委也有一定他的專業性那他就其專業來領導整個高鐵公司我覺得一定也是可以跟著融入整個市長特別注意一件事情請市長特別注意台鐵一件事情特別注意台鐵一件事情台鐵近半年吼吊車撞車的事故一直不斷發生這個你應該知道吧 |
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你們可不可以去解決這個問題啊因為這個跟安全有關啊 |
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所以你如果說要把那個鄭光遠董事長叫過去他們有特別的來列管有列管但是就是最近就一直在發生最近一直在發生啦好不好這個事情要特別特別注意一下啦好謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝葉言之委員的執行現在登記執行委員經已發言完畢作以下決定一報告及詢問完畢 |
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林俊炫委員、習新穎委員、麥義貞委員所提書面執行列入紀錄並刊登公報委員以執行中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部竟速以書面答覆 |
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本日的會議做以下的決定討論事項個案經令定期繼續審查 |
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所以也請我們交通部有關單位特別要跟提案修法的委員做充分溝通以利下次審查的時候會較為順利之進行所以本日會議結束 上會謝謝大家 謝謝各位 謝謝 |
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来 来 来 来 |