| IVOD_ID |
167458 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167458 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-10T15:19:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-10T15:51:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:32:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/aecce60a96b323af407361d8dbd54f1688ce5eb88255d667e248d523ebf26398339739331fca71b35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳菁徽 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:19:18 - 15:51:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議（事由：一、本院國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「115年度總預算案中，具有急迫性及攸關重大民生之新興資本支出及新增計畫（如附件），本院同意先行予以動支。」俾以補救行政院怠於推動政務，消極不作為之行徑，影響國計民生。是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月6日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝院長我想請卓院長還有勞動部部長麻煩請卓院長勞動部長備詢好 |
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院長您辛苦一天但今天有一個蠻大的新聞所以您可能沒有注意到也就是我們的人口來到了第26個月的負成長去年年初我第一次質詢您的時候您說希望有些策略可以達到13萬保衛戰 |
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結果到年底的時候呢又承認也許不到11萬最後結果是10萬多那剛剛午間的時候最新的新聞出爐了今年2月的新生兒是史上最低6523人1月是8723人那許多婦產科的專家很擔心今年的新生兒甚至不到10萬人所以人力就是一個很重要的戰力這個你也認同 |
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我今天的質詢會圍繞在少子化還有大健康健康促進等等的可是很多題目是需要各部會一起整合所以院長稍後您給我的回應會格外的重要首先我想請教部長非常肯定這個彈性育嬰留庭您在當委員的時候也非常的關心今年三月終於正式實施這是一個很好的發展一月就實施 |
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我們是在去年的九月公布的 |
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我說從醞釀從你開始醞釀事辦其實從我在當立委的時候就醞釀了你也記得嗎?大概是兩年了對嗎?我從我當立委的時候就醞釀了關鍵是一些配套的設計那現在涵蓋的範圍有多廣?公務人員一併適用了嗎?是,公務人員適用 |
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好那我們希望院長都可以多關心您旗下這麼多的公務人員是不是都可以同時兼顧家庭然後兼顧工作那我想知道這個兩年的事辦計畫您對自己的成績看起來是如何因為我查詢了一下參加的有89家企業其中7成6沒有半個員工申請 |
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實際上有業績的只有21家總共受益的是166人次這樣子的事辦成效 想請問部長您自己 |
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滿意嗎委員我跟您報告我們從今年元月1月1號開始上路到2月1月到2月的數字目前總共有2700多人申請單日請的育嬰留庭然後總共有大概5200多個申請案 |
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不是你剛才說的數字在兩個月前我講的是你過去兩年你剛不是說你有一些配套沒做好嗎不是我現在在說的是從今年的1月1號正式可以以日請因為前面的之前的事辦其實是要契約主動願意的可是我們在去今年的1月1號的正式上路是就是說只要勞工有提出雇主是不能拒絕的 |
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好,我希望之後我們可以看到你的成果,我們也會在委員會繼續的講我現在,我現在在問問我先回顧一下,我回顧一下這個是我們在委員會,因為這個是執政黨委員對您的comment他之前在評論您的事辦計畫,他是這樣子說的當然他講了20分鐘,我簡短的播一下 |
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計畫註定要失敗因為一開始就沒有人主動要參加本來你叫大家去辦這個示範計畫就註定要失敗了結果你就不要你通通都叫示範計畫也不願意照民間的版本去示範出來然後看他的彈性到底有沒有可行結果你一意孤行那註定到的是失敗啊 |
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第一個這個數據出來我其實當然非常不滿意啊其實我認為這個數據...部長他本來就是做一個故意會失敗的計畫我們都知道故意你一個方案一定會失敗然後告訴大家說台南市民運營價不可行他們當時就是這樣先這個預設的立場要讓它失敗當然不可行啊 |
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那個委員你可以看一下那個時間點是2024年的12月18號我知道我剛剛不是一直在問你過去兩年嗎這個政策的推動本來就需要一點時間事辦也需要時間嘛好我現在想說少子化這個危機很多縣市首長都看到了所以蔣萬安市長他最近推出一個育兒減少工時的計畫他看到很多家長的需求啊 |
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那我這邊先說衛福部他的comment是樂觀其成因為協助育嬰爸媽有更彈性的時間那您剛剛被林淑芬委員講的這個事辦計劃你現在是批評蔣國安市長政策是象徵性事辦我想請問部長您的標準到底在哪裡跟委員說明你應該把我整段話給看完 |
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我的意思很簡單是任何一個政策需要把相關的配套措施給做好比方說我們在去年九月推出的單日型的彈性暈暈流停也是因為醞釀了這個把配套一段一段的給做到位所以到今年的頭兩個月才有這樣的成績所以我這段話 |
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你自己這個示範計畫做了兩年內你也發現所有的政策從上路到開始推到真正落實本來就有很長的準備時間那衛福部認同你卻要開始講說這個是象徵新示範我只想問你一句話我想問你台北市率先推出這樣子方便爸爸媽媽的做法您精神上支不支持我等一下會舉出很多配套我們也可以討論很多配套 |
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回我完整的說法我認為你應該要把我完整的說法就是今天地方政府願意這樣做嘗試我們當然是正面看待的很好我的一句話前面說的意思是如果配套不夠完善的話 |
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不希望落入象徵性事辦所以我的意思是大家應該要一起來思考怎麼把配套做得更完善讓它更可行其實你就講你正面看待對啊 以你勞動部部長的高度你剛剛就說得很好啊你可以講說我正面看待但是配套如何做我們中央地方一起來協力所以我今天 |
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今天要準備的資料其實就是把世界各國的東西拿出來因為院長知道嘛 現在我們很急迫可是很多國家其實都做得非常成熟了我覺得我們可以直接考慮是不是我們應用一些成熟國家的做法嘛好 我們現在來看一下其實你剛剛講的那些配套當時可能有人說可能會標籤化或者是說同事之間會曝光抱怨 歧視 主管 靠關係等等的 |
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這些在英國、歐盟、澳洲、荷蘭他們都已經整個把它法制化了它是一個法定的權利所以有沒有小朋友或者是有的是一般員工到職有需求就可以提出雇主在期限內按照程序處理有合理理由才可以拒絕用機制來降低不確定性並且你在這個地方如果你覺得未來工作是有彈性的你剛好有伴侶你也可以趁機來規劃未來嘛 |
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那再來我就要講跟我們一樣面臨少子化國家的新加坡跟日本他怎麼做呢新加坡他在疫情後他發現這個彈性工時的企業因為他們去導入work life grant所以發放補助金支持企業 |
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他從52%爬升到72%那他也發現這些員工的滿意度留任生產力有正面的效果你剛說的配套新加坡也有想到所以並不是所有的產業都適用有符合這個特質他們才會做但是有做的滿意度都很高那我再講到日本 |
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日本呢他們在疫情後雖然遠距工作有下降可是現在是穩定的持平維持在一個程度所以他們發現說只要他們去補貼企業改造制度設備的成本那企業就可以 |
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去照顧這些有育兒或是照顧高齡長者需求的工作型態來連動調整所以去年這邊要跟院長報告2025年10月開始日本對於家裡有3歲到就學前的小朋友 |
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他規定這個企業要從五種多元方案裡選擇至少兩種出來提供裡面就包括蔣萬事長現在提出的比如說調整上下班時間縮短工時每個月至少十天用遠距如果你這個公司是可以用遠距上班的月額支援休假以及托育設施等等那在這邊我是想請院長責成部長大概多久以內可以評估這樣子的報告出來來研擬中央法規的配套 |
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是謝謝委員跟委員報告這種彈性減少工時都是一種可嘗試性的一個工作我們往這個方向來講勞動部已經在做那目前地方政府做的呢我更希望他能夠在勞工端 |
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還有就是植物代理人這一方面還有就是企業端三方面都能夠完整因為越小的公司這種彈性減少工時它所產生的工作力的減少跟變動是最為明顯的所以要想好這些配套部長的意思就是這樣子我已經幫你找好資料了那當然部長那邊也有很棒的研究所台北市政府要想好這些配套 |
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對我有幫你找好資料所以在國外他雇主也可以在法定期限內按程序處理或是有合理的理由來拒絕這邊我都幫你找好資料了之後如果歡迎勞動部您的聯絡人也可以來跟我跟我討論好嗎 |
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其實我可以直接回答委員我覺得各種讓工作的時間跟職堂能夠更有彈性然後把這個來包容或兼顧這個工作跟照顧小孩的方法我想我們都願意綜合的來做思考可是一樣重點關鍵我們在這幾年的嘗試下我們認為關鍵其實的確是在於配套的完善與否 |
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這是我原話最重要的點所以我完全不是在批評地方政府或者說風涼話我覺得不要誤會我也沒有這樣子的用意那大概多久以內我們可以出一個研擬報告我剛剛這最後的問句是院長責成部長多久之內可以去朝你這樣中央法規的配套 |
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這個勞動部的那個彈性工時報告他剛剛已經有這兩三個月執行的報告那我們應該有一段時間報告的內容這個基準數才會準確我們才來做檢討好 謝謝部長您可以回座 謝謝部長接下來請衛福部部長 |
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麻煩請衛福部長備詢部長一邊上台的時候我先播放給院長看一段影片現在台灣常常在網路上開始大戰雁同你應該知道有一些店家他是標榜他不接待兒童並且他還會大獲好評有的時候會在地圖上變成他行銷的環節可是看到這個我是非常的擔心 |
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有网友更在Google地图共同整理大人友善清单表示要大力支持不接待小孩的店家这些场所包含西餐厅、咖啡厅、宠物餐厅都是最常有小朋友的行为被放到社群公开讨论的场所是家长管教不积极还是我们的社会逐渐厌痛 |
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這邊很簡單快速帶過一些數據但是院長應該一目了然根據這個兒童的統計民眾的驗童程度大概會在六成從輕度到重度那認為應該限制孩童進入的地點包括餐廳大眾運輸或是咖啡廳家長也感受到非常大的壓力所以百分之 |
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60左右的家長他會覺得他出去的時候極不友善那不友善的行為這個網路上都有最近在新聞上常常被播出來就包括被偷拍啊 公審或是直接被虛被白眼被趕下車廂等等等等的那我覺得對於目前我們這個國安危機小子化只會越來越嚴重因為一般大眾討厭噪音的跟家長他出門害怕被噴 |
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以至於他就是很難帶出門很難生小孩那這邊呢我是要給院長很具體的建議因為問題並不是我們希望全國每一個角落都適合嬰幼兒而是我們希望借盡外國的經驗我們希望在城市裡面提供分流的設計來降低衝突 |
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那這些可以從有一些這個國家的公用機關開始做比如說車站醫院圖書館政府場館等等他會有親子的安撫角落或是站離的產息區讓你安撫好你的小朋友然後我們再回到大眾的場域 |
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這邊舉幾個案例像這些是機場裡面的這個Calm Room讓他安撫下來或者是像芬蘭的火車上他就直接會有親子的車廂那這邊我也會稱讚我們衛福部或是行政院我們現在也許哺乳室或者是無障礙廁所多功能室我們一到某一個場域我們會有標示我們會找得到我們會知道這個地方有沒有可是像這樣子親子友善的空間 |
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他沒有被當成一個公共服務來推動沒有被標準化密度也沒有規劃沒有導引沒有維持也沒有民眾可用性所以他會變成想做的人會自發性去做可是沒有的地方就不知道那家長也不知道要到哪裡去找 |
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這邊呢我要跟院長報告日韓已經開始超車了韓國2024年谷底反彈生育率回升了他們現在今年生育率又到0.8當然很多配套住宅或者是這個津貼這些我們也都有在努力追上但是友善職場跟友善公共空間是他們值得我們借鏡的他們會利用企業的誘因還有數位整合我們舉一些比較直觀的 |
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韓國之前的驗童是比台灣還要嚴重他們曾經爆發非常多的衝突所以政府很積極在解決他們推動這樣子的認證的標章跟貼紙貼在店家前面並且跟他們民眾最常用的地圖去做結合可是當然這件事也不是毫無補充 |
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所以根據你的場域他會給予30萬韓元的補助更大就是40萬韓元他讓你去購買這些兒童會用到的產品或者是你可以付保費假使兒童在這個場域受傷那這個韓國市佔率最高的民間地圖他就跟他無縫接軌的串聯所以等於是政府用全國的力量去幫他保護精準的課員 |
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那再來這個日本熊本熊的標章他就是支援全國的育兒照護事業然後嬰兒休息站等等他去調查如果你這個地方願意提供熱水泡奶點心嬰兒友善停車的遊戲哺乳室等等我們就幫你把它登入全國共通的官方搜尋或者是APP也會直接發放數十萬元不等的補助款 |
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那具體我們來看看台灣現在做了什麼剛那個新聞讓我很擔心的就是我們已經有了不要小孩的地圖但是這些爸媽只能自己靠自己他們互相自救他們現在在社群裡面無私的投稿分享有哪些景點哪些餐廳有提供友善兒童的做法然後變成台灣人自己自治自救的友善地圖這個本來是政府應該要做的事情 |
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所以這邊具體的本席提供四件事情四個建議我希望院長可以答覆第一剛剛我們已經跟勞動部長說了我們希望讓父母縮短工時有配套直接變成大家都可以使用的彈性工時制度這個需要兩到三個月來研議讓所有人可以受惠的可能 |
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第二個我覺得院長應該可以直接做到請院長通令發函那希望我也可以有副本所有的政府機關立刻去盤點我們的公共空間給孩子一些分流還有安撫的地方並且要讓民眾在手機上可以查詢預測可以使用像這樣子的決心不知道院長可不可以表達 |
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我這個建議相當的完整我覺得完全拒絕跟可能家長放任這個都是極端這是極端的例子還是有但是整個社會不應該有那麼強烈的厭同尤其是我們這個少子化的時代但是政府該做的就是讓想要在一個地方能夠安安心心的自己跟他的小孩有一個親子活動的空間我們可以提供他一個可以知道哪裡找到這些訊息的我們衛部做了很多這樣的 |
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好像這次在過年也做了很多在手機上找到這個訊息我們用這樣的經驗我覺得我們可以全國來做一個大調查所以您一個月內可以發函給這些所有的政府機關去盤點他們的場域有沒有辦法提供這個服務如果是政府機關我很快就可以處理很快就可以 謝謝院長第三點我們過去也針對這個身障者也有去創造這樣的一些 |
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盤點然後做APP讓這個身上朋友要就醫的時候可以查詢那剛剛委員這個建議我覺得是非常好把我們過去從這個友善生育再轉換成友善孩子的環境那我們來一起推動那我們第一步先來盤點後面看看如何來做一些 |
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指引跟輔導來建立一個友善孩子的空間第三點也很需要院長的幫忙因為你看到他們是有官方的認證跟標章不管你是貼紙或者是你是數位的認證所以他是用公部門的資源去幫店家導客跟曝光讓願意做的人看到我可能有補貼而且我還會獲得認證我對親子友善是好處的 |
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那我們現在有世界無敵宇宙爆炸牆的速發部對於速發部而言是不是應該是很簡單的我們是不是院長跟速發部部長可以承諾去研發去做這樣子的認證跟地圖因為這兩點是日韓現在做得非常的積極 |
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既然這個方向第二點的方向大家都認同來做的話那這個部分應該先要有一個執行的一個標準甚至一個未來鑑定的一個流程認定它所以我們先把這些作業做起來那來準備看怎麼樣讓這個場域能夠有一個明顯的標示能夠得到更多在這個行動上支持它的地方 |
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好第四個因為以上我剛所述的真的是跨部會的責任就從勞動部一直到衛福部可能到抒發部等等的具體要求的院長是不是只是我們政委來協助推動因為很快也許你們又會推動小子化計畫或綱領能不能明確的加入新的一項的指標也就是友善嬰兒友善兒童的環境請院長承諾 |
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在我們現在在這個少子女化2.0的行動計畫裡面其實有在 |
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推動相關的友善職場那剛剛提到的就是這個友善環境更大我們過去有推動過這個高齡友善環境高齡友善城市那我們可以用過去的這個經驗我們來研究把這個友善這個孩子友善兒童的這個環境也來照過去的模式來推動所以您也會在多久以內給我報告 |
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我們來這個研議一下給委員一個報告多久三個月內好 三個月蘇發部長您可以先休息一下那接下來我們請衛福部長再留步最近部長您常在媒體上講到推動這個健康病本席也很支持 |
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好但是呢這個APP我不知道你自己有沒有使用過這個有幾個問題我想問你這個APP花了900萬開發900萬然後我幫你統計了一下下載量只有500次每天下載的次數是5次操作你操作過了嗎 |
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跟委員報告 我們講的健康幣不是這個APP啦這個是你在媒體上講的 你說你未來想委託不是這個APP 應該是說我們是透過我們健康存摺那未來我們會導入 第一步就是預防保健包含打疫苗啦 癌篩啦 成人健檢啦然後會在健康存摺裡面去轉換成健康幣 |
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然後這一個要做轉型這個是之前國建署開發的那我們這個叫轉型變成一個這個offline的這個chain來專門做兌換我先播一段影片給你看你會很震驚因為我知道你有在用穿戴式的運動設備你看一下這個APP怎麼用 |
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你每天喝多少水是要自己輸入的所以你自己要統計再來你運動也要自己輸入你可能先看你其他的運動APP再把它輸回來我跑了幾步最後更誇張的是現在很多營養學的APP是拍照就已經告訴你蛋白質多少澱粉多少這個是要自己輸的 |
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跟委員報告這個APP我非常不滿意啦你花九百萬了喔所以才要求它轉型這個是國建署之前開發的所以你九百萬丟到水裡啦不會不會這個未來您會很滿意 |
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那你九百萬做了什麼 我看到的是這樣而且昨天我請我助理也去下載喔我說我認為難用 你們是不是認為難用你知道他現在在雙平台都下架了嗎因為我們在做這個轉型當中因為我就是覺得他很不好用這個跟我們現在的期待差太遠所以我們在做轉型 |
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院長他花了900萬做出一個電子記事本然後每天要自己輸入步數自己計算蛋白質你覺得合理嗎現在很多的穿戴裝置都非常的實用便利所以剛剛委員不應該把林部長請下去如果蘇發部長在這裡的話我等一下蘇發部還會再上來我只是想要告訴院長還有部長錢不是這樣子亂花的 |
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900萬開發了一個500元下載現在還不知道多少人已經把它刪掉了再來我對於健康幣的質詢不管是在委員會或者因為剛好是遇到次長次長沒有那麼熟悉後來我就直接再發函院長我很認真我所知寫了三頁 |
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三頁整整問他說這個點數你想要怎麼計算如果針對一些高風險族群你要不要加權那你有沒有上限我問了非常多的問題結果部長回我一頁他那一頁上面就寫比他新聞採訪還少的內容他寫說促進健康預防逆轉疾病的目標就這樣但是你在新聞說你四月健康必要上路我想問一下你現在覺得會跳票嗎 |
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整個規劃接近完成待我們跟行政院跟院長報告完畢之後就會對外來宣布是院會跳票嗎我問那麼簡單的問題因為我們還是要跟這個院裡面報告還有現在最後的這個手續正在做最後的確認當中這些這個基礎的 |
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因為它是兩個APP啦一個是健康存摺的部分這個已經ready了另外一個是這個health goal的部分現在正在改版還沒有完成那你四月到底會不會跳票我們朝這個目標來努力朝這個目標來努力就是有可能努力不會在四月的時候launch因為據我所知你的結標你說你要改善剛剛那個APP你的結標是三月底耶 |
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對 現在已經決標了 現在正在做進行好 這個還要我自己從新聞去找1到4是你講過的話對於5678我很在意的數位落差或者是會不會更讓健康不平等因為國外已經有做過數據他們研究過健康幣後來是比較重視健康的人才會去加入這個Program |
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那你是不是要加權還有你要怎麼幫自己設KPI因為你說你要配合健康台灣的政策你總要設定說你有了這個健康幣後來你的疫苗施打率增加多少這些可不可以請你的同仁等一下來跟我要我這張slide還有我上次的公文你完全沒有回我 |
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你可以回覆嗎我們在完整規劃完之後會再跟委員做一個更詳細的說明所以你什麼時候可以說明大概也是三個月內再跟您說明希望衛部這個數位化的工具在這個時代是跟民眾接觸最方便的那剛剛那樣的一個過程那個APP的內容一定要儘速的優化 |
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好那院長我現在跟你講一個最大的問題如果你今天可以壯士斷腕你可以做下一個決定你會改變很多事這邊請運動部部長文化部部長上台 |
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請運動部長、文化部長被選文化部長你還要留著時間暫停陳委員不好意思我們只能三位叫院長好您看先文化部還先體育部那我們就先運動部跟文化部然後很快再換衛福部長文化部請回時間暫停 謝謝 |
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運動部跟文化部運動部跟文化部好 衛福部請回兩位部長及代理請 |
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謝謝兩位部長院長我從這邊開始跟你講解其實剛剛講到的健康幣把一些好的行為最後轉化成點數或是紅利這個在其他國家都有做我先舉新加坡他是把運動幣跟健康幣合併在一起了因為 |
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運動所轉化的行為你也可以去購買保健食品或者是你就把它換成運動券等等這個是新加坡做的事情他把它整合再來日本做的是速發布等等我們也會請速發布他把政府所有相關的這些紅利點數全部交由速發布去彙整速發布彙整但是各部門設計設計好了之後速發布就找 |
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民間的支付業者或者是我們這邊可以找財政部所以他們用了一個人民很普遍的支付系統最後他就變成錢他可以去消費所以任何你希望他做的健康行為最後他就會變成錢日本是這樣做的韓國他是把文化跟體育放在一個虛擬的卡片裡面他把這兩個東西結合 |
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那這邊我是想問文化部還有運動部一個問題先問文化部你有沒有遇過我身邊很多人滿了23歲對於這個一年一次用的APP他就把它刪掉了 |
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是啊 這個有發生嘛所以利益良善的文化幣APP一年用一次23歲不會再發文化幣他就把它刪掉了那我想問運動部長請問你有抽獎是不是抽獎之後他掃完這個QR code換完東西他也就不會再用不會再使用你這個介面了運動部的運動部是用網頁他不是用APP是嗎我們是用網頁沒錯對 可是你換完你如果沒有抽到獎或是你抽到獎你使用完你就不會再使用這個網頁了嘛 |
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理論上是這樣對嘛 是所以院長你現在遇到的最大一個問題是什麼我們三種幣 三種APP那你看剛900萬是這樣子丟掉的我們為什麼要這樣子應該是要很直觀嘛你既然想要促進各種藝文活動 運動 健康你應該留著那個最永續的窗口可能是健康幣 |
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他會養成習慣那你那個文化幣進來以後二三歲沒有可是你跟他並在一起你義務活動還是會被推波你的運動還是會變成閉碼兩位可以回座了所以今天其實院長你需要做一個很大的決定 |
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未來各種不同的部門還會有不同的幣出現地方政府也有包括你發消費券也有可能別的國家是精簡直觀完全的降低數位落差高齡也不用記什麼不用什麼幣要用什麼APP他把它全部整合成一個國家生活的錢包 |
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所以你今天的判斷非常的重要我們請速發部上台你看你有沒有辦法做到我幫你想的方法就是速發部可以擔任我們的project manager那財政部他比較厲害他負責金流而且他對於台灣Pay也非常的有經驗看他是要把它變成app還是他要把它結合學日本一樣結合成台灣Pay |
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不然你只是會只要一個部推行什麼幣你就要做一個APP然後重新一直疊床加屋下去像我們現在蘇發部有一個共同發放平台像是我們普發現金一萬還有課加幣這個都是用蘇發部共同發放平台去使用 |
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對 院長 我覺得其他國家是化繁為淺我們現在問的話 |
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冰凍品還有客家冰所以在年齡整個金額都順暫了所以在經濟上是個性的證明但是我也看到這個現象 |
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好 謝謝 |