| IVOD_ID |
167430 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167430 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T16:02:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T16:18:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/321e35c043cc325b01700b7dca1a350105351cf5c593b4e3b151ec866a2b73e8498159baeeef385c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:02:56 - 16:18:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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內委員好好 三位長官好 辛苦了今天左院長整天都坐在這裡辛苦 |
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不會 聆聽到很多好的意見對團隊有很多的肯定 我們一起努力一起來努力啦齁但是我這個監督立場還是要講一點話啦目前來講因為早上我聽了幾個很專業的一個質詢你們都很誠懇回答這點是可以肯定的齁但是我希望也是我的問題能夠實問實答啦齁 |
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就現在ALT的狀況是怎麼樣暫時不生效是不是暫時不生效本來就沒有生效啊因為還沒有送到大會來審議之前當然沒有生效本來就沒有生效那什麼時候會送到立法院我們就等美方他完成他國內的法律途徑跟工具之後他會通知我們大概什麼時候 |
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這個真的我們無法說是 我們是盡量盡快來爭取我現在就說給你聽啊以現在來講的話這個早上你們幾位都講了啊副院長也提到了啊現在目前是10加N嘛 對不對有可能變成15加N嘛15加N的分數還沒有以行政命令公布10加N然後維持150天嘛所以我們可不可以這樣講150天也就是五個月裡面 |
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這個台美的關稅協定不會送來立法院我可以這樣講嗎這要看美方他行政命令122條款是150天但是在這個期間美方會安排他後續的比較長久性的法律工具所以美方我們詢問美方美方有暫時的回答是說等他們研議安排法律工具之後會通知貿易夥伴國家 |
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這個就的確是必須要美方進一步的兌現那我們的立場是希望一塊也好啦所以我想委員可以表達這樣的聲音我們當然希望一塊也好但是我們可以講我們要向美方來表達這樣的想法我最慢最慢大概五個月他應該會出來五個月以內一定出來可以這樣講嗎 |
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五個月是他暫時這個附加稅的時間五個月之後他還可以透過他國內的法律程序延長我可以樂觀期待好不好還是悲觀期待我不知道你可以樂觀期待在五個月之內所以五個月裡面沒有這個東西啦他是12條款150天當然經美方國會統一會延長不過我們的目標當然希望越快越好所以委員的聲音我們都有聽到 |
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我們會積極跟美方表達他的立場我請教院長啦這個副院長你把他打成這樣你要給他打幾分啦他談判從早上到現在十幾位委員肯定團辦團隊談出這個ARK協議我想委員今天早上的肯定你把他打幾分 |
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遠遠都高過於我對他打分數的這個給社會的公信所以你給他100分我們不敢為自己打分數我們知道這個過程產業的等待跟包容副院長啊 你要小心喔他幫你打100分你就慘了喔他叫你去選台北市長喔欸 他叫你去選台北市長喔也只有100分的副院長可以去選台北市長以我現在的生活裡面關鍵字就是關稅兩個字 |
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你去選台北市長當炮灰啊這副院長 炮灰啦我現在意思就是要趕快鞏固我們的台北市政府啦你這樣講我可不同意喔這個院長啊你有看少康政經事嗎少康政經事你有看嗎 |
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那個比較少看我看啦齁我講昨天我上節目我還公開講連續兩個禮拜我說最適合的人是卓榮泰不是鄭麗君卓榮泰現在你去選好誰好誰你又不是鄭麗君啦你可以請教一下郭震亮先生對不對你比他適合我比較適合對不對我們副院長同意嘛齁我跟院長每天都在討論政務 |
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選舉是政務啊選台北市長選舉是選務因為大家都不願意去當炮灰啦你就是這樣而已你給他這麼高的評價但是我們來看我們來看進口的部分 |
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蝴蝶蘭茶葉等級上百項了這個農業部長都知道很清楚本來你的ART是零關稅現在變成10加N勒 要課勒現在怎麼辦 |
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剛才就委員關心啊雖然我不是農業縣的委員 可是我也關心啊所以我希望鞏固ART的販賣結果所以回過頭來嘛 我們希望確保ART這個已經談妥的內容要不要課 我就問你要不要課嘛 現在要不要課已經生效了 你要不要課現在是10加MFN現在是10加MFN現在伏地爛要課稅了嘛但是現在之前是20加他也要課稅了嘛 |
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那你汽車一關稅 汽車零關稅是不是確定 |
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那要等到大院通過生效以後再修這個關稅法來生效所以這個關稅前面有委員問 我很緊張你聽的啦我覺得要怎麼營運影響很大勒 |
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影響很大 30萬的從業人員從汽車業加上汽車零組件的從業人員 30萬他是包括了零組件還有一些銷售人員有沒有可能對關鍵的零組件我們也給他降為零關稅 不可能 |
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如果生效的話美國的零組件關稅進來是零關稅日本來的可以不可以零關稅啊那就是看立法院跟我們財政部的態度財政部齁 財政部長一年啦但是我就講啊 |
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如果汽車是零關稅 我就要修法讓關鍵零組件通通零關稅阿如果汽車全部垮了阿是啊 阿如果是這樣也請委員就是說這樣的降稅可以回饋給消費者啦當然啦 當然啦 這個當然要回饋給消費者啦我們來看齁 現在你講 縣長說改了 副縣長說改了這樣喔結果我們現在倒數 最少倒數20兆啦 |
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2500億直接投資2500億信保投資還有800多億的買還有我們要去蓋它的天然氣的Alaska的天然氣的infrastructure基本是1000多億的美金加一加就20兆以上我們還被人家罵台灣是晶片小偷勒要蓋啊川普總統講了6次從他選舉開始 |
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選前選上之前講三次選後講三次阿最近跟你說阿你覺得你們同意嗎不同意啊不不不我們院長你同意我們晶片是靠我們國內企業自主研發各種新的製程所造成晶片在取得全世界領先的地位院長你可不可以照我寫的勒事實是原來美國不錯交給日本後來日本交給台灣的 |
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事實上不是這樣我們有跟美方說明台灣的半島領土是數十年我們發展初年來的成果川普現在是世界強人他講話多有影響力但是我要請委員記住副院長回來那天講過一句話全世界看見台灣產業關鍵的力量這句話才是對台灣真正的寫照川普到現在為止他宣前講三次 宣後講三次 |
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選前講三次美國有他美國有他要振興2020競選時就講了接受彭博也講了喬羅根的體驗也講了然後選上以後關稅備用錄2月就講了20253月也講今年2020又講今年又講六次他是美國總統他的喇叭很大 |
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他現在全世界大家都很怕他 也很尊敬他 哇 川普 厲害大陸很怕他 我們的政策就是抱著大腿市長他也稱讚過台灣的半導體的產業非常棒也講了非常多次但是他都小偷咧你也要去跟他講 你也要抗議一下你能不能講一下 那個院長你要不要講一下說這是美國你不做了 交給日本 日本要來交給台灣 |
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所以我們有自主研發把他的整個製程給他提升到現在這種程度那全世界也沒有辦法有人可以學習到我們現在這樣的製程這樣的良率所以 |
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川普總統也說過我們魏哲家董事長他是一個類似的我希望你在這裡委員容我也跟您補充一下我們也清楚跟美方表達台灣半導體產業讓我跟您補充一下台灣半導體產業是台灣數十年來發展出來的一個成果 |
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那美方有他想要振興製造業以及他要提升他辦理產業自給率的目標不過我們跟他所談的是供應鏈的合作是以台灣模型企業自主產業延伸的一個前提底下來跟他進行產業的供應鏈合作所以我們還是有我們自己的戰略目標來達成這個組織MOU的共識 |
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在這裡雖然我們的喇叭小 沒關係我們就自己大聲講出來我們不是新輩小偷 可以 請你講我們都講過了 請你講 再講一遍台灣的先進製程早遠超過當初我們你講了川普不買單了 還繼續講啊來 我們來看喔 這個東西大家很擔心啊 |
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我們的晶片這個台積電去了要總共去五個場大家很擔心這個工作機會年輕人 年輕人可能沒有了有人統計過台積電在國內一直找人一直找人都找不到你不要一直插嘴部長不能一直插嘴因為院長比你有修養院長都沒有插嘴你一直插嘴反映一下部長請你不要插嘴請你不要插嘴大家擔心有這個擔心我們下一代 |
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原來好的工作機會可能要去美國啊不是每個人都可以去美國對不對現在來講的話怎麼樣跟流台灣 雖然你們講很多啦齁我就提一個建議具體的建議請你們承諾所有去美國投資的沒侵犯 |
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對等投資沒侵犯投資一塊錢美國投資一塊錢台灣可以嗎 做得到嗎可以嗎 請部長 請院長公開在這裡承諾一個立委 你先不要講我問院長 你不是院長你是部長 院長請你承諾 |
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我們在對外的投資都要經過我們國內的投審在審查的過程當中我們第一個希望他要跟留台灣跟留台灣有很多的方式這個是其中一個很具體的 |
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委員我們是加法不是減法 |
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市產業的延伸不會在台灣減寶一定會在台灣現在企業都在積極的擴大投資台灣我們也在推動擴大投資台灣方案我們現在的審議就已經要求這樣了已經要求這樣國內投資一定要有我們才會放行 |
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投資一塊錢美國 投資一塊錢台灣 有嗎對 包括更多要投資國內那這樣子我們就可以期待我投資五千億美金就投資五千億美金在台灣單一企業他們就是這樣子我們在審議Case by Case就是這樣子據我們了解我們產業在國內投資的規模大於在國外我打一個很大問題讓他們看那個從美國打伊朗這個事情不管怎麼樣 |
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川普總統這兩天又講了他說打四週到五週可能他更長不排擠地面部隊去這對我們來說台灣96%的人員是依賴進口的經過荷姆之海峽的60%石油 1 3的天然氣經過荷姆之海峽他現在全部關閉他說不准一滴油跑出去對我們來講很大壓力喔 |
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這個東西你們說會找替代的請問找其他哪幾個國家 部長你可不可以回答報告委員 因為我剛才講就是說我們現在天然氣的部分大概有十幾個國家嘛那經過你剛才講赫布西海峽大概有差不多百分之二十幾到三十 沒有錯那我剛才講就是說替代找哪些國家來用 時間到了對 三月份的部分我們都已經找到了找哪幾個國家替代人 替代人 |
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不是包括澳洲啊包括其他的地方澳洲包括什麼美國你多跟美國買啊這時候多跟美國買啊這時候我們的油價因為有個公司萬一他漲很兇現在開始一直漲院長要不要啟動凍漲機制要不要 |
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因為我對國內的民生經濟造成重大的衝擊的時候當然整個審議就會處理這個東西包括電價這個都影響到我們的CPI |