| IVOD_ID |
16743 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16743 |
| 日期 |
2025-06-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-06-11T08:30:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-06-11T10:20:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:49:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e622a2f89928e5b665e5a7d9476abbdb38b19dddded0b194ff250e42305db5eb75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-06-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查「國際金融業務條例」8案：
(一) 本院委員沈發惠等18人、委員鍾佳濱等17人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第十三條、第二十二條之七及第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等2案。
(二) 行政院函請審議、本院委員李坤城等20人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員郭國文等19人、委員羅廷瑋等17人、委員陳玉珍等16人分別擬具「國際金融業務條例第二十二條之十六條文修正草案」等6案。
二、繼續審查「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法」9案：
(一) 行政院函請審議、本院委員鍾佳濱等20人、委員李坤城等19人、委員沈發惠等18人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案」等4案。
(二) 本院委員林楚茵等17人、委員王鴻薇等19人、委員郭國文等18人、委員賴士葆等32人分別擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一條文修正草案」等4案。
(三) 本院委員林思銘等18人擬具「證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一及第二十條條文修正草案」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:45 - 10:20:00 |
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好 早安 主席宣布現在開始開會請議事人員先讀上一次會議議事錄那請主任秘書報告初期委員人數報告委員會初期委員移除法定人數好 那請議事人員先讀上一次會議的議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第三會期財政委員會第十六次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國114年6月5日星期四10時至13時地點群選和酒樓大禮堂出席委員賴思寶委員等14人列席委員黃國昌委員等9人列席官員審計部審計長陳惠敏衛生福利部長邱太元行政院主計總處主計長陳淑芝副主計長陳惠娟紀 |
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所屬相關人員 主席賴昭吉委員事保報告事項一 宣讀商會議事錄決定議事錄確定二 邀請省紀部陳省紀長瑞敏 行政組紀總處陳組紀長淑芝 衛生福利部就最近疫情再起有關衛生福利部過去所準備的快篩試劑疫苗 各式藥品等相關醫療機構因應措施進行專題報告並被質詢 |
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經衛福部 邱部長及審計部陳審計長分別提出報告後 藉由委員林德夫等17人提出質詢經衛福部 邱部長 審計部陳審計長 主計總處陳主計長相關人員予以答覆決定一 報告質詢達完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會議中人以順便答覆委員要求期限者重新鎖定三 委員脈力之間鎖定順便質詢 略入紀錄 刊登跟報評相關部會以順便答覆 宣讀而立 |
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1933.319 |
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1940.651 |
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因為這場委員尚未足法定人數那議事錄我們暫不確定請議事人員先讀今日的議程 |
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1.繼續審查國際金融業務條例8案1.本院委員、審判會等18人、委員中嘉賓等17人分別擬據國際金融業務條例第13條、第22之7及第22條之16條人修正草案等2案2.行政院行政審議本院委員李坤成等20人、委員陳金輝等16人、委員郭國文等19人 |
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1965.171 |
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1989.874 |
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委員羅廷偉等17人委員陳玉珍等16人分別擬拒國際金融業務條例第22條之16條文修正草案等6案二繼續審查證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法9案依行政行情審議本院委員鍾嘉斌等20人委員李昆成等19人委員省發會等18人分別擬拒證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正 |
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1990.655 |
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2012.984 |
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草案等四案二委員林楚瑩等十七人委員王宏偉等十九人委員郭國文等十八人委員賴世寶等三十二人分別擬據證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一條文修正草案等四案三委員林思明等十八人擬據證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法第十條之一及第二十條條文修正草案案宣讀完畢 |
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2015.263 |
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好 謝謝那我們先介紹議會的政府官員首先我們介紹金管會主委彭金榮彭主委法律事務處林志憲林處長政企局我們的張局長保險局王局長證券投資及期貨交易中心董事長張董事長 |
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總經理林俊鴻,謝謝,歡迎那財政部護稅署,宋秀玲署長那中央銀行外匯局,洪護局長司法院行政訴訟及懲戒廳,陳彥霖,陳法官法務部法治司,護司長兼參事,謝志明 |
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2065.029 |
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好 接著我們請議事人員在本次會議安排依繼續審查行政院函請審議國際金融業務條例等22條之16條那條文修正草案第8案 |
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2106.696 |
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2.繼續審查行政院行情審議證件投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案等9案現在請議事人員先讀今日審查國際金融業務條例部分條文修正草案等8案證件投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案等9案之條文內容 |
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一劑先讀的時間是12分鐘先讀完畢以後一劑是在9點半進行協商請醫師人員先讀 |
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國際金融業務條例修正草案對照現行條文修正第13條委員審發會等18人提案委員中嘉賓等17人提案相同國際金融業務分行之所得免徵盈利事業所得稅其損失亦不得自所得額中減除但對中華民國境內之個人、法人、政府機關或金融機構受信之所得其徵免應依照所得稅法規定辦理 |
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2145.373 |
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修正第二十二条之七,委员审法会等十八人提案,委员、宗家斌等十七人提案相同。修正第一项为,国际证券业务分公司经营国际证券业务之所得,免征盈利事业所得税,其损失亦不得自所得额中减除。 |
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2163.217 |
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2175.336 |
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但對中華民國境內之個人、法人、政府機關或金融機構辦理第二條之四第一項各款業務之所得其增免應依照所得稅法規定辦理 |
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2178.154 |
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委員中嘉賓等17人提案修正第五項前四項免徵營利事業所得稅營業稅印花稅及免禦扣繳所得稅之施行期間自中華民國104年2月6日起至124年12月31日止 |
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2195.905 |
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2211.356 |
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修正第22條之16行政院提案委員李坤誠等20人委員陳金輝等16人委員鍾嘉斌等17人委員郭國文等19人委員羅廷偉等17人委員陳玉珍等16人提案均相同修正第5項 |
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2212.817 |
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2231.678 |
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前四項免徵營利事業所得稅、營業稅、印花稅及免預扣繳所得稅之實施期間,自中華民國104年2月6日起至124年12月31日止,但於上開期間訂定之保險契約,至保險契約有效期間屆滿之日止,且不得超過30年。 |
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2253.64 |
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委員審發會等18人,委員宗教兵等17人提案相同修正第一項,國際保險業務分公司經營國際保險業務之所得免徵盈利事業所得稅,其損失亦不得自所得而終減除但其資金在中華民國境內運用所生之所得,其徵免應依照所得稅法規定辦理 |
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2276.321 |
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修正第五項 前四項免徵營利事業所得稅、營業稅、櫻花稅及免預扣繳所得稅之實施期間自中華民國一百零四年二月六日起算二十年但於上開期間訂定之保險契約至保險契約有效期間屆滿之日子且不得超過三十年宣讀完畢 |
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2288.249 |
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2309.926 |
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證券投資人及其或交易人保護法部分條文修正草案第十一條之一行證券提案第一項序文修正為保護機構發現上市上櫃或新櫃公司之董事或監察人有違反證券交易法第20條第一項第二項第155條第一項第二項第157條之一第一項第二項其或交易法第106條之第108條第一項規定或有證券交易法第32條第一項請示而無同條 |
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2343.502 |
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第二項免責事由第171條第一項第二款或第三款規定之情勢或執行業務有重大損害公司之行為或違反法令或章程之重大事項得以下定規定辦理其他款項會修正委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案同行證願委員沈發慧等18人提案同行證願委員林儲英等17人提案第一項序文修正為保護機構發現上市商櫃 |
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或行歸共識之董事或監察人有涉違反證券交易法第20條第一項第二項第155條第一項第二項第157條之一第一項第二項期貨交易法第106條之第108條第一項規定 |
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或證券交易法第32條第一項情勢而無同條第二款免則是有第171條第一項第二款或第三款規定情勢或執行業務有重大損害公知行為或違反法令或章程之重大事項經檢察官起訴後得以下列規定辦理其他款項未修正委員王宏威等17人提案 |
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第一項第二款修正為訴請法院裁判結認公司之董事監察人或已卸任之董事監察人不受公司法第200條至第227條準用第200條之限制且結認事由不疑起訴時任其內發生者違憲 |
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第七項修正為第一項第二款之董事監察人或已升任之董事監察人經法院裁判決定確定後自裁判決定日期三年內不得充任上市商櫃或新櫃公司之董事監察人及公司法第27條第一項規定原 |
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指定代表行使職權之自然人 其充任者當然截然其他款項未修正委員李昆城的17人提案 同行正月委員郭國文的18人提案 同行正月委員賴世保等30人提案第一項虛文修正為保護機構發現上市上櫃或新櫃公司總事或監察人有違反證券交易法 |
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第20條、第155條、第150條之一或期貨交易法第106條之第108條規定或有證券交易法第32條、第171條之請示或執行業務有重大損害公司行為或違反法令或章程之重大事項得意下列規定辦理其他環項未修正 |
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為零四名的18人提案第一項序文修正為保護機構發現上市商櫃或新櫃公司的董事或監察人或已卸任之董事或監察人有違反證監交易法第20條第一項第二項第155條第一項第二項 |
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第157條之一第一項第二項施握交易法第106條之第108條第一項規定或正確交易法第32條第一項請示二無通條第二項免責適用第171條第一項第二款或第三款之請示或執行公司業務與重大損害工資行為或法令或章程之重大事項得以下列規定辦理其他款項維修正第20條行政院提案 |
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第二項修正為前項第二款之經費以當年度保護基金之息及當年度保護基金之息之應業務支出剩餘撥回基金累積數至合計為上限便利預算辦理但主管機關得視其財務業務情況適當調整之 |
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委員種甲餅等20人提案第二項修正為前項第二款制經費以當年度保護基金之資行及清三年度保護基金之息之因業務支出勝於撥回基金累積數之合計為上限便利預算辦理但主管機關得失其財務業務情形適當調整之委員審發會等18人提案委員離婚程等19人提案委員林思敏等18人提案均同行政院 |
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第三十二條文中嘉秉的二十人提案第二項修正為保護機構因於收受判決或判斷書證本或企業內應即將其結果及是否提起上述之意旨已於網站公告方式使通知證券投資人及期貨交易人之息但判決不利於證券投資人並因於企業內將是否提起上述之意旨以書面通知證券投資人或期貨交易人 |
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第四條之一行政院提案修正為本法中華民國109年6月10日修正公佈同年8月1日施行前以第四條之一第一項規定提起之上至訴訟事件尚未終結者適用修正施行後之規定 |
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本法中華民國千年全月全日修正這條文施行前以依第十條之依第一項規定提起直訴訟事件尚未終結者適用修正施行後製規定委員鐘家炳的二十人提案委員沈發威等十八人提案委員李坤成的十九人提案均同行政院第四十條第四十一條 |
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行政院提案修訂第二項本法中華民國千年確約全日修正這條文自公佈日式一行委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案 委員沈發慧等18人提案 委員李昆城等40人提案峻統行政院宣讀完畢好謝謝那介紹現在在場的各位委員 首先先介紹黃珊珊委員林修銘委員 |
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還有吳秉瑞委員我們現在請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有意義沒有意義那議事錄確定那現在這個宣讀完畢我們就是預計在九點半九點半開始進行協商 |
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好我們開始 現在首先先讀修正動議委員黃珊珊等三人所提修正動議第十條之一前項保護機構發現上市上櫃或新櫃公司之董事或監察人有證券交易法第171條第一項第173條第174條第一項第三款第八款期貨交易法 |
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一百十二條第一項第一百十四條貪污自罪條例第十一條營業秘密法第十三條之一第十三條之二獲洗錢防治法第十九條規定之情事其餘內容與行政院提案相同宣讀完畢 |
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好 謝謝那今天我們先從國際金融業務條例那我們先審查那針對第13條委員審花會等18人的提案跟委員鍾嘉斌等17人的提案那嘉斌委員那個要不要做個說明一下 |
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我跟我們省委員的提案都相同那麼其損失亦不得自所得而終減除那這個部分呢因為沒有行政院版所以我們想了解一下目前金管會對這個條文的看法還有我們財政部的看法好請金管會那個回答 |
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呃今晚會對於委員所提的這些文字啊我們是這個呃贊同但是這是屬於財政部職權我們尊重財政部好那個黃先生委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我想這個國際金融業務條例我們是支持它延長的但是我那天質詢主委的時候一樣嘛就原來這個也十年了這十年來其實它的效益真的不高啊 |
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那主委現在要做的是亞洲資產中心在高雄那我上次說的是如果十年前做得不好現在你如何告訴我你會做得很好那第二個就是亞洲資產管理中心他將來可能是希望把全世界的錢到台灣來做管理所以我希望主委要 |
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第一promise你這十年延長了以後你現在答應我是業績要完成還要超一倍第二個我希望亞洲資產管理中心除了保險之外還有銀行還有其他的相關的系統我希望你有一個法規鬆綁的時程表 |
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也就是說亞洲資產管理中心最大的問題是在於中華民國的法規 金融法規過於限縮讓很多的資產不願意到台灣來那既然要做這件事這個延長是一個方法但是其他最重要的是各個相關的亞洲資產管理中心要做管理中心的法規鬆綁至少要有時程表遞交給財政委員會未來十年 |
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不要說什麼你亞洲資產關係說不能十年嘛至少我幾年內要修完保險法哪些規定銀行法哪些規定相關的時程表要訂出來否則我們再給你十年十年後我們都不在這裡了然後就說啊十年後那個績效不好啦再來十年我覺得沒有必要因為十年前的時候就已經有KPI了那今天這個我們支持但是我希望主委能夠遞出來你的你上次跟我說因為 |
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郭文貴議員 |
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還在13條郭文我先講一下好了我覺得在財政委員會當然是租稅相關的一個條文是屬於財政部業管但是基本上就這個延長的部分就我個人的理解應該已經到期了要延到2035年的年底的話基本上應該不會有太大的一個反對更何況稅差存的部分也不過600而已 |
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那只有稅價準這麼低的話那主要是OIU的這個業務內容實在是萎縮的速度實在太快了從原來的這個保惠的收入從2017年的1.68億衰退到2024年的115萬美元 |
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那全年杜葦不過是賣出四張的新的保單我覺得這個主委應該你心知肚明啦所以說主委為什麼今年說會開放這個新的產品那剛剛黃珊瑋講說是不是能夠成長十倍你覺得沒問題啊從低的要成長十倍甚至二十倍都沒問題啊不過十倍不過是一千萬美元而已啊二十倍你不過是兩千萬美元他挺過漢布朗當核台幣不過 |
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兩千萬不夠合六億台幣相對於受險業的這個新的契約保單是八千四百一十八億來說這個真的是差別非常的大啦好 主委我想你非常清楚啦那如何其實延長不是重點啦重點是如何擴大業務啦這個才有意義嘛而且你又要推亞太金融管理中心大家都你很清楚啊這是你的專長用什麼方法來讓延長有意義我想才是今天的重點 |
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好 是不是請財政部回應一下針對的第13條跟各位委員報告就有關委員特別提出來說損失不得自所得中減除主要是因為我們在憲法法庭第110年度的憲判制定文號判決意旨它就已經有規定說本來就不能減 |
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另外是在我們一律系的所得稅差額準則第111條之二第二項我們也明列OBU條例的相關所得如果免稅他損失也不能減所以當時財政部的立場才會說因為法律已經有明確的規定的是似乎是可以不用在這邊再特別規定啦但這是財政部的立場 |
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好那請問各位在場的那個同仁那我們針對第13條是不是就是用維持現行的條文不知道各位有沒有其他的意見是吧有沒有沒有好那我們就第13條就是維持現行的條文 |
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那我們再來進入到第22條之7 委員沈花卉等18人的提案 委員鍾嘉斌等17人的提案 是 那那個是不是嘉賓委員要不要補充說明一下 |
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也一樣那也一樣就是維持現行的條文是不是主席等一下因為這個我的條文跟沈委員的條文在後半段是不太一樣的因為沈委員的條文它在最後一項上面的一個 |
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棉雨蔻角的期間呢自生肖日起算15年我的是自中華民國104年2月6日起至124年12月31日止那這個條文的寫法呢我先講第一項的部分呢既然剛剛第13條已經行政院的意見認為說不用增列該文字也有同樣的效果那所以呢在這一個22條之期的部分呢那第一項 |
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也不用陣列同樣的文字有同樣的效果我也接受可是重點在後面的延長的期限那延長的期限是參照包括在22條之16所有的提案委員都是針對這一條那這一條其實跟院版一樣院版講的是OIUOIU的部分是從本來的原條文我們看22條之16它是說 |
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生肖日起算十年那到我們的行政院版的修改呢是變成是至一百零四年當年的生肖日是一百零四年的二月六日那往後推算到年底就是二十年就多一些些到年底切齊這是行政院二十二條之十六就是OIU的延長優惠的年限所有的提案委員在這個部分都跟行政院版相同 |
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那當然省委員的部分它是只有寫20年那我這邊是參照既然OIU是如此那是不是OSU的部分也是參照呢日期從104年到124年跟OIU拉齊那當然目前OSU它其實才運轉了6年多它後面還有3年多所以它是還沒到期 |
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但是呢 既然我們這是修法 還未借期的這個OSU呢 是不是一併比照OIU 一併讓它延期然後呢 而且兩邊的日程呢 切期 這以上好 金管會是不是說金管會來 財政部回應 |
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跟委員報告那因為這個OSU的條文呢它是到117年6月20號才借起所以從現在算還有3年多也就是說如果10年其實還走了6年多還有3年多 |
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那一般因為根據我們包含財政紀律法跟第六條跟納保法第六條以及行政班訂的稅制之助評估作業辦法裡面的規定都是要快借其錢我們才會評估所以像結農家電也是這樣像之前當沖降稅也是這樣那為什麼要這樣並不是說好像規定這樣就一定要而是有它的原因它的原因是主要說因為我們要做稅制之助評估簡單講就是要確認它的成本跟效益嘛 |
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那通常成本效益都是一個實施到一定期間用最新的數據去驗證我馬上延期是有效的因為有時候我用60多的資料驗證現在有效但是到了9年驗證可能因為中間有變化所以可能無效所以我們通常是從科學驗證的角度是用 |
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涵蓋最多年度那用最新的數據來驗證它的成本效益第二個還有一個原因是在我們做稅市支出評估還要確認說它有沒有構成國際上定義的有害租稅競爭或所謂的不公平租稅我們以歐盟為例歐盟在106到107年就曾經對我們台灣做稅務體制檢視那就看我們有沒有構成有害租稅競爭另外像最近美國美國他 |
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所以我們通常都是要等到他們發佈然後我們去檢視有沒有 |
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來 嘉賓 |
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嘉賓他那個財政部的說明不曉得你同不同意時間沒到所以我們沒有同意沒有話講完啦好讓你講因為今天呢我們之所以會配合跟行政院的22條之1622條之16行政院是因為雅芝中心希望能夠擴大本國的金融業者能夠踏入國際保險業務就是所謂的OIU因此呢在原條文當中起算十年今年即將屆期 |
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因此認為有必要迎接期,所以要延長那這要延長表示兩件事情第一,前面這十年,我們的OIU這樣的一個優惠這樣的一個做法,對本國業者的做法是有助於他們開拓國際業務的有效,他們要有錢可以繼續吃嘛他們要沒有錢就不要吃嘛 |
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既然是有效要擴大要延長我們當然是支持但是剛剛財政部的說法是說什麼當我們對本國的金融業者跨足國際保險業務的時候我們擔心他國的業者會以台灣對自己國的業者跨足他國的領域給予這樣的租稅優惠是一種不公平的競爭是有一種歧視性的作為怕被計較來要求我們台灣內部是不是要相對等的開放 |
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他國的業者到台灣從事同樣的國際業務也要給予什麼樣的一個優惠 我們不曉得但是呢 既然 |
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金管會提出來的論文說可以延長行政院也評估這個OIU延長呢並不至於造成其他國家對我們本國業者政府對本國業者的一個歧視性的特別保護待遇那既然OIU不至於造成其他國家認定我們採取一個歧視性的作為那為什麼OSU就會有呢其實我們要強調的是這不是稅事評估的問題 |
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因為稅制評估裡面所評估的是稅損有多少那其實就我們所知道的目前不管是OIU還是OSU因為實施之後我們本國業的跨足國際金融業務因為這樣的條款而產生的租稅優勉其實是很少的 |
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但是呢雖然少但是我們認為有助於本國業者去打國際盃所以我們覺得在OIU的部分呢十年期滿我們要再延長那既然如此立法機關認為有必要我們主動的在OSU的部分雖然只實施了快七年還有三年多但是我們提早來檢視如果是同樣有效金管會認為這個 |
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這個優惠呢對OIU有效那也認為對OSU有效那既然對兩者都有效我們何必等到OSU屆期之後再來檢討再花一次立法成本我們就這個時候就給予延長那剛剛所說的理由是擔心到時候到OSU在進行要延長的評估的時候呢他國的反應如何如何我覺得這個要考慮進去沒有錯但是目前顯然的對OIU的延長沒有其他國家對台灣的認定是歧視性作為啊 |
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那既然對OSU不認為是歧視性作為為什麼對OSU就是一種歧視性作為呢所以我是覺得這樣的說法呢有待商榷不過呢我們還是願意多聽聽行政院的意見也就是說不因為尚未屆期立法機關就不能優先提出來檢討也不因為稅制評估的這個程序其中我所知道的金管會應該對於OSU目前在實施六年多它的租稅休免有沒有產生效果應該先做個說明 |
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如果沒有效 那我們就不用管他嘛 反正十年到了就人就不用延長了嘛或許對OSU跟OIU同樣的優惠效果不同我是想聽聽看金管委的意見好 那請諸位 |
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謝謝委員的這些的詢問這次行政院院版只有修第22條之16針對OIU那當然我們在整個修正程序之前我們也有提出我們說是不是那個因為OSU屆期也快到雖然還有三年我們有跟財政部提出一些這樣不過 |
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財政部有他一套的在整個租稅調整的這樣的一個法律跟那個流程所以我們後來是尊重所以我們覺得說真的到三年的時候我們再來提出這是我們前面誠心在做這個但是如果說站在金管會立場剛剛委員提到我們就以我們推動我們自己的業務來看的話我們當然是希望這個是能夠 |
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延長但是就是說這個確實不是金管會這邊所能夠決定的因為剛剛其實宋署長也說了就是說實際上整個他們在調整租稅的時候會有一定的程序那我想這部分我們是尊重但是我們也是希望不管是現在或是未來三年都能夠支持因為我們確實這對我們整個推動業務剛剛其實我也知道國際上正在討論這個租稅最低租稅制 |
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這部分的話這些的任何的租稅減免最後呢都可能會要有一個最低的租稅的說服以確保各國租稅是公平的甚至在國際貿易上也是公平的我想這是另外一回事但是但我覺得這部分的話 |
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我們現在原則上還是先支持行政運版先把OIU這部分先把它確定那當然如果說未來或是現在我覺得如果說OSU能夠通過也是我們金管會同意但是這個真的就是那個財政部他有他一套的整個做法我們是尊重 對 |
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好,財政部要不要再補充,那如果不補充的話,那請問各位委員我們要不要維持現行的條例我既然金管會不堅持,那我們這個提案是本來站在金管會拓展我們的國際金融業務的思考那如果金管會認為三年後再來評估也可以,但是我覺得剛剛財政部講的很有道理就是未來的國際最低租稅制,即將每個國家都遇到 |
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那是不是今天這個條文我們就明語正烈但是請財政部附帶決議回去做一個類似這樣的一個國際金融業務的租稅休免本國實施對本國業者實施是否會構成對其他國家的不公平競爭我們先做個評估也就是說我們不能只考量自己的稅市評估而已不能只考量自己的稅損而已還要考量到未來其他的國際會不會對我們制裁 |
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因為台灣是一個高度依賴國際貿易的國家那像這樣的服務貿易也是我們重視的重點那我也是請你們附帶決議做一個這樣的評估那以後在三年後我們要思考要不要延長的時候不是只考慮稅損還要考慮到什麼國際競爭優勢和其他的國際相對的制裁的一個風險以上 |
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評論謝謝專家評委員的高見但是我建議這個評估要慢一點因為國際的標準還沒有出來還沒有訂定出來你現在還沒有訂定出來你現在就是抓一個可能的標準再評估跟真的那個標準出來之後的評估中間是有一點點距離當然你這個 |
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高見我們現在都是很緊張都希望下屆立委都先把前面這些都處理掉三年多之後是第十二屆立委的事情那很可能在座的很多人都會連任他也有可能不在這裡那這是我們預先去處理不過 |
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我是建議啦等到國際那個標準出來之後我們再評估才會比較準確啦那現在如果說預想可能有這樣子的一個前提那我也不知道這個前提的內容的詳細內容是什麼就先做評估我覺得那個 |
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有時候行政機關他會增加不少他的工作我建議考慮看看好 我支持但是是不是說下次如果要對OSU提出延長的時候這個評估要一併提出 好不好是下次要提出延長的時候再來評估不是現在評估 好下次提出來 崑城委員教練如果下次提出要把這個評估提出來 |
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好 我簡單講一下因為這個都是為了這個亞洲資產管理中心在延長10年那其實我也沒有看到資料說其實這10年當中你們的這一個所產生的利益在哪裡有一個數據出來嗎然後過去10年當中的稅損在哪裡對有嗎 有嗎OIU的部分啦 OIU的部分 |
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那你們的創造出來的利益有多少?這個都有資料嗎?是不是再一份給昆城委員那這個22條之7我們充分的討論本席在這裡裁定是不是維持現行的條文 |
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好那就維持現前的條文是不是請財政部就是下次你們提出來如果OSU要來評估的時候那時候要對這個加入這個項目評估那財政部你趕快寫一個附帶的結議我跟委員報告我們可以幫忙寫跟市議會稅事局評估是儘管會要做我們做負評 |
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是經管會因為根據財政紀律法第六條規定是要做對 他們提我們會幫 會協助那就請經管會跟那個趕快寫了那第22條之7我們就維持現行的條文那我們進入到第22條之16現行條文 維持現行條文 |
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那我們進入到第22條之16行政院的一個提案那委員沈花卉 鍾嘉斌 李坤澄 郭國文 陳金威 羅廷偉 陳一貞等提案那在場的請那個鍾嘉斌委員有沒有要補充的 |
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沒有因為剛剛在22條之7我們就並同22條之16就講完了只是說這次我們是支持行政院版這個各委員都支持行政院版的做法那只是說未來如果還需要有延長的時候希望能把財政部剛剛所說的那個因素考量進去 以上好 那個崑禎委員 郭文委員好 那沒有意見33委員 來現在主席就是我剛剛說的 |
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主委願意寫一個法規的法規檢討的時程表因為你要開放未來十年的計劃 好嗎附帶決議可以幫我寫一下嗎好 這樣子好啦 那個金管會金管會那你的桌 |
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本席在這裡宣布第22條之16我們就照行政院提案通過謝謝 |
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接下來我們進入到政見投資及期貨交易交易人保護法第10條之一行政院提案 委員鍾嘉斌 李坤城 沈花惠 郭國文 林楚英賴世保 王紅薇 林思敏等還有黃珊珊委員的修正動議那請問在場的委員要不要補充 |
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主席我想這個針對10條之一那其實我的提案跟行政院版計時差不多我想我們落實保障公司的經營還有投資人的權益建立公平安全的交易環境 |
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所以我們針對整個公司自己的合法的要合法合規並擴充保護機構經費的來源因應業務的發展那我們要明文詳列保護機構得提起代表訴訟解任訴訟的獨立事由所以針對修正本條第一項的部分文字呢除因事務上就保護機構依第一項所定的訴訟 |
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是否應辦理第十條第一項業務而提起有不同的見解為免爭議所以我們刪除第一項序文辦理前一條第一項業務的文字另外我們也針對整個我們可以提起獨立訴訟的幾個條文比如說違反政見交易法第20條第30條2條以及171條第一項第二款 |
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第三款的相關規定的情勢這些也屬於不適合擔任董事監察人職務的情勢那我們也會以這個增訂這個把它列為這個是可以提起這個解任訴訟的一個獨立的一個事由 |
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那第二項至第九項的文字皆未修正我想大概就是跟行政院的版本差不多所以用行政院的版本我覺得我沒有意見我們就支持行政院的版本好 謝謝思敏那請國務委員我這邊是就教於那個彭主委其實條文內容其實大家都雷同 |
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但是衍生出來的問題就在重點在擴大解任這個不適任的董事士的事由上面的一個程序問題這個程序過程當中以目前的商業法院在一個解任或請求訴訟的時間大概多久因為董事任期畢竟只有三年 |
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那同樣的是說呢他第一個原公司所產生的爭議的一個判決還沒有下來的情況底下另外一個公司的董事才能作為當然解任的一個依據跟理由所以這是一個關鍵在於說這一個實務上他是不是能夠有效率的譬如講在一年內達成才對這些董監事的這些行為人才會有一定約束的能力這是第一個 |
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第二個如果假設董建是屬於法人代表你把他解認之後他再換一個人那有什麼樣實質的效果就這一點我是看不出來的究竟在食物上有沒有什麼真正達到嚇阻力的效用 |
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主委一併回答就是請賴思寶委員 花園 伺候就是珊珊委員是 主席各位先進我想我的提案跟其他委員大概也都是有相同精神第一個就是第二項到第九項大家都沒有修正我這邊沒有修正 |
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主要修正的第一項主要就是幾大重點這個財團發展證券投資人保護中心這裡面是否因第十條第一項業務 |
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有不同的見解為了強化公司的治理保護投訴交易所以我這裡就希望刪除掉第一項辦理前條第一項業務這個文字幫他刪除掉第二個就是有關於經濟環境的問題所以董結社可能濫權 |
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的問題會影響到公司經營績效整第三點就是公司的董事監察人有增加法二十條三十二條說明書不實等詐欺的行為第一增加法第一百七十一條非常規交易侵佔非信等不法的行為也就是說他不適合擔任董事監事的情況那麼這個要究責 |
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我提出第一項修正的一個有點瑣碎啦有點瑣碎但是基本的其實在這裡跟其他的委員很多地方也像類似但不完全一樣請各位指教 謝謝好 來那個三三委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我想我今天有一個修正動議主要是這一次證券投資人跟期貨交易人保護法的它的修正行政院的版本是希望說新增不適任董監事的獨立室友讓投資人保護中心可以依據該董事在A公司的不適任行為解聘他在B公司的董事職務所以我覺得這個是一個很好的方向但是我們認為說還是有很多的行為可能 |
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如果你要防堵的话可能不止这两个行为那目前金管会的独立事由的范围在政交法跟齐交法那它的行为的样态呢它只有大概以行度来做区分所以我们今天的修正提案是把现有的状况那因为我们认为还有很多很严重的行为比如说违反政交法173条齐交法或者是贪污自罪条例它去行贿或者是有违反营业秘密法 |
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或者是有洗錢的這些行為樣態那為什麼沒有納在所謂這次的對象裡面那剛剛 |
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金管會他們有來溝通啦就是說對於他們這個部分他們也願意來去研議所以我現在是不是提一個附帶決議請大家參考就針對證券投資人跟期貨交易人保護法第十條之一的解認是有是否要擴及洗錢或貪污等不法樣態請投保中心在六個月之內研議納入投保法 |
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這樣子的情況下我就可以接受附帶決議的方式我們希望接下去他們去研議更廣更寬的方式因為他這個只是董事解任並沒有影響太多的個人權益但重點是如果他已經犯了這麼多的罪 |
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他在政交法 齊交法裡面他還可以續任董事這也不太應該所以我們希望有 請大家支持這個附帶決議以上 謝謝好 那個郭文婉以後是沒有沒有 主席我只是想說能不能先請主委先回答一下我怕後面的問題太過多樣性好 來 那個主委您先回答一下好不好那 那個再來是王世堅委員 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝委員這麼多指正我想待會兒其實有幾個問題啊剛剛就是那個解任裁判時間有多久還有法案代表的問題這個我可以請我們實務請我們那個張董事長來做個說明嗎 對 |
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投保法的解任訴訟會進到商業法院解任訴訟大概是半年到一年半的時間案件事實的複雜度可能會有落差跟我們以前的經驗來講在普通法院審理的速度的確有變快 |
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第二個問題是第二個問題是法人改派的問題這當然就是公司法號一直的基本的問題那現在我們的這個失格效會讓如果它是27條一項就法人股東當選他這個代表人你也不能再做譬如說A這個自然人他被我們解認三年內不能再任任何上市貴新貴公司的董事也不能任法人股東的代表人所以這個部分就有處理到不能處理代表人 |
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所以如果法人他是指派代表人當選那個就沒有辦法截到那個法人是目前法律上在現行法要截判沒有辦法截到那個法人股東因為他要受自己法人的指令才做這樣的行為嘛 |
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對 我了解委員的意思但是這是公司法上基本的設計 |
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這個就是剛剛提到的就是因為我們有那個法案代表制他可以指定自然人或是由他的法案代表指派這問題剛剛其實張董事長已經說明了就是我們這是整個很複雜的問題但是就是說我們假如是法案代表的話他就是這個就是法人當選他就直接就是視為對法人的對剛剛郭委員提到這個問題我想說可能這樣 |
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建起那個金管會去回去研究一下因為你還是處罰到自然人可是自然人的行為是受制於法人嘛那法人反而是他是守謀 他沒有事情他沒有任何一個可能懲罰性或嚇阻性的一個那個相對的一個懲罰性的作為的情況底下他可能還會下一個常制造同樣的行為出來那也不是一直在那邊換來換去而已嘛 |
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對 這點我當然可以 比如說這個當然可以投保中心在針對這比較細緻的部分我們再做一些研究不過現在的 我們現在的公司法這個永安董事指派就是這個樣子啦那我們講說這部分可能沒辦法在這邊處理對 是 那我想這部分我們會來看看做一些 |
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研議啦 就看看只能現在現階段只能這樣做那剛剛還有幾位委員提到那個比如說我們項目要增加其實剛剛那個黃委員提到那個那個提案裡面我們就一併來去考量這個問題因為我們畢竟現在來講的話因為上次我們提出的這些新增的這些項目都經過 |
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經過大家充分的討論如果要新增剛才講的很多的譬如說的那個罪行項目的話我們還經過一些演繹那只是說剛剛那個附帶決議的部分文字本來是我們有提說是不是可以有個可行性三個字因為如果按照這文字的話會有一個概念 |
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言議然後是不是下次就要再來修啦那我想說可行性如果有的話我們當然就會按照這個未來我們的立法計畫來做那我想如果說可以那可行性有那其實我們不堅持其實言議本身就有彈性啦如果比較清楚謝謝這個可行性我是覺得不用因為賴世保委員每次都說我已經叫你言議了你還要可行性好不好拜託只是言議而已啦言議啦言議好那接著世間委員 |
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主委我們這次要推針對第二十條、三十二條關於財報、公開說明書不實證券詐欺行為要做處理這個是很好但是這樣我們保護機構要及時保障投資人權益這個也都正確但是你行使解認權 |
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是在上訴或者判決確定的時候我們採用的是說上訴就可以去行使解認權那過去在所有的案子裡面包括政治上的案子也都是以判決決定 確定 |
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才去行使當然那個曠日廢時判決確定曠日廢時所以為了及時保障所以我們提早到起訴嘛齁那但是那這樣子那如果我們起訴之後最後他判我們把他解認那判決確定之後他沒事他是被冤枉他無罪那怎麼辦有沒有補救是不是恢復他或者說他任期也過要不然怎麼去那個就對他的補償會是什麼謝謝 |
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回覆委員的意見基本上我們是等到解認訴訟判決確定後他才去商業署那邊登記就他不能再當任何上市會公司的董事或監察人判決確定這邊寫的是說判決的話曠日廢時所以你們起訴就要把他解認 |
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對,我們會先起訴,但是有效果的時候是法院判決確定然後解任的法院判決確定後,他才能夠罰責任委員那你這段文字你是這樣寫啊?你看一下,這第幾頁,那你這文字改一下委員在說第幾項?第一項第二款第20條、32條,你們行政院版的這一個他只是解任的室友 |
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對,然後請委員看一下第七項原來的條文第八項第一項第二款之解任裁判確定後由主管機關函請公司登記主管機關辦理解任登記所以是確定後對,還是要判決確定好,那你這一部分你看一下好,事保不能及時保障投資人權利故應以起訴之十點為準所以修正啊 |
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市長你要用麥克風,我沒有聽到那個可是你這個是這麼寫的 |
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那請那個世保委員那個 |
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花言那接著是昆城委員我覺得大家的利益的一個目標都是希望能夠這個提高這個對頭症的保護啦所以我覺得是不是我們就尊重行政院版本啦因為其他的職職階級我們就行政院版本這樣子看一套為準然後看各位有什麼要再加減的就是一套為準好不好快點啦 |
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所以確定是裁判確定之後才解認嗎那怎麼你們給我們的修正重點說以起訴未確定的訴訟案件適用修正施行後的規定 |
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那個是過度條文就是我們可能如果這個修法通過以後那可能還有些案件還在審理當中那到底應該是用新法還是舊法的問題所以是已經起訴但還沒有判決的問題好 這個請李燕秀委員發言 |
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感謝昭緯 對不起我不是針對於這個法案是剛通過的那一個部分給我30秒就好了基本上我對於OIU的租稅優惠延長10年我是全力支持的但是我要跟主委跟大家報告跟說明其實我在財務會討論過很多次就是說我們現在因為我們少子化之後過去有三四十萬每一年那我們現在每一年只有13萬 |
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那個出生的嬰兒所以嬰兒越來越少我們各個產業都在搶人才國防的搶人才AI的搶人才我們金融產業未來如何留住人才特別是主委我們非常重視亞洲的金融中心所以我一直強調金融教育的義務化我還是希望在這一塊我們有機會 |
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趕快跟教育部去溝通我們可以向下扎根在高中我們就義務教育金融的部分趕快去加強未來您在推動我們在台灣在亞洲的金融中心的這個角色我們基本的每一個孩子高中生的基本教育觀念是可以專注的我再一次也拜託主委那我對於這個法案是非常支持也謝謝昭緯給我時間講話謝謝 |
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謝謝我們針對第十條之一請問在現場的委員還有沒有意見如果沒有意見的話我們就照行政宴版通過通過互待決議一案請議事人員先讀 |
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委員黃珊珊等四人所提附帶決議針對證券投資員及其或交業人保護法第十條之一解任事由是否擴及洗酒或貪污等不法態樣請投保中心六個月內研議納入投保法宣布完畢 |
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好那我們進入到第20條那就是請問那個這個行政院版的一個提案那委員鍾嘉斌李坤城沈花卉林思敏委員的提案那請問在現場鍾嘉斌委員有沒有要補充說明的那我們的那個思敏委員好 |
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那就照行政院版 謝謝 那那個好 一樣 那李昆城委員也照行政院版那個提案通過好 那我們第20條我們就照行政院提案通過那我們進入到第32條 委員鍾嘉斌等20人提案 |
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請問在現場的委員有沒有意見第32條在34頁請問在現場的委員有沒有意見嘉賓委員要不要做個補充 |
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這只是在程序上做一些比較更明確嚴格的一個認定啦那就看看行政機關來表達對這樣的書寫文字規定是否在未來執行上更明確好 |
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那是不是金管會主委那個做個補充是謝謝委員的那個那個指正就是我們原條文其實中委員所提的條文是就把它明確化就是把一些我們原來現在採素面通知的方式能夠把它分 |
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分級分流啦那不同用採用不同的方式那我們是覺得說現在來講我們是用書面通知啦我們覺得現在還是先保留因為我們原來條文只寫通知我們會未來針對這個彈性可以針對通知可以實務上就不需要明確的寫在條文上面這些比較彈性的做法所以我們建議還是維持行政版本啦可以最後也可以按照實務需求可以做到剛剛鍾委員這樣所提的彈性 |
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主委這個第32條是維持現行條文剛剛監管會的說明他把通知涵蓋到目前實務上的做法以及未來可能採行的做法因為包括網站包括書面那的確如果把它條文明確化明白的寫成書面還有所謂的網路公告等 |
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那這都是在通知的含色範圍內啦那希望說未來呢 新管會如果三色條維持原條文的話那未來這個通知的具體執行方式還是要有一個相關執法或注意事項來表達以便讓這個受約束人有所遵循 以上 |
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好 謝謝嘉賓好 那針對第32條我們就維持現行條文我們再進入第40條之一行政院的提案委員 鍾嘉賓 李昆城 沈花卉委員有提案那是不是就是那個 |
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鍾嘉斌委員有沒有要做那個補充沒有 一樣一樣齁 那昆城也照行政院版齁好 那第40條之一那我們就照行政院提案通過齁那我們進入到第41條也是行政院提案委員鍾嘉斌 李昆城 沈花卫有提案那請問在現場的委員有沒有其他的那個補充意見 |
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好那如果沒有那如果沒有其他的意見第41條我們就照行政院提案通過好謝謝來那我們我們針對那個剛才通過的互代決議那我們那個國際金融那我們是不是請那個議事人員那個宣讀 |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
委員紅33等三人針對國際金融業務條例提出附帶決議請金融監督管理委員會一個月內提出亞洲資產管理中心未來之法規鬆綁規劃及時程關乎包括國際保險業務分公司OIU商品及業務之推動宣告完畢好 謝謝 現在協商完成那是不是請大家那個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
宣讀宗家兵委員等三人所提附帶決議 其金融監務管理委員會於國際金融業務條例第22條之七關乎OSU租稅優惠屆期前會同財政部評估是否續行延長租稅優惠並評估是否構成有害租稅慣例不公平租稅及造成不公平競爭納入稅市支出評估報告 宣讀完畢 |
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請各位委員對以上的這個提案兩件案件附帶決議有沒有什麼其他的一個建議沒有的話那我們就照這個這個照提案通過那就是我們那個就是協調協調完成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
黨團的代替 |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
明天是宮廷會宮廷會我們簽到就好 不必幹什麼不用幹什麼 |
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謝謝大家協商已經完成請議事人員先讀協商的結論宣讀國際金融業務條例協商結論第13條維持現行條文第22條之7維持現行條文第22條之16照行政提案通過並通過兩個附帶決議 |
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證券投資人及期貨交易人保護法協商結論第10條之一造行政院提案通過並通過附帶決議一項第20條造行政院提案通過第32條維持現行條文第40條之一及第41條均造行政院提案通過宣讀完畢 |
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好 請問各位委員對協商的結論有沒有意義沒有好 沒有意義那我們就照協商結論通過本次會議做成如下的決議國際金融業務條例部分條文修正草案等八案那已經審查完略 |
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並按一句審查報告提報宴會討論宴會討論前不需交由黨團協商宴會討論時有本席補充說明那請問各位委員對以上的決議有沒有異議 |
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請問各位委員對以上的決議有沒有意義好沒有意義那我們就通過證件投資人及期貨交易人保護法部分條文修正草案等9案審查完畢並按一句審查報告提報宴會討論宴會討論前不需交由黨團協商宴會討論時有本席補充說明請問各位委員對以上的決議有沒有意義 |
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好沒有異議那我們就通過那散會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
響鐘 |