| IVOD_ID |
167428 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167428 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T15:19:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T15:35:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/321e35c043cc325b8d95b7e5bda7242005351cf5c593b4e37bb6fd4edd6f580a15f464262b5c365e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:19:30 - 15:35:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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賴慧元委員請準備謝謝院長 我們麻煩院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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那個諮詢開始之前我還是先代表宜蘭的鄉親對院長表達肯定還有感謝過年那個時候院長有特別有拍板定案就是宜蘭到羅東的這個高價化的這個計畫那當然我們希望就是說今年是馬年那接下來我們可以快馬加鞭能夠趕快讓這個計畫能夠趕快促成否則那個當地這個線內的交通還是有蠻 |
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蠻多大家有很多的抱怨那另外也對於這個行政團隊的感謝因為過去一年我其實我一直積極在推動幾個東西那行政團隊也給我蠻多的幫助就像那個國道5號那個東山交流道還有這個南方澳漁港的那個漁船上架場的設置 |
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行政團隊其實都有給予蠻多協助的這個部分先謝謝院長另外對於這次基層經貿談判團隊在美國壓力下那還能夠盡力的為台灣爭取一些空間這部分我們當然也是要對於這個辛勞給予肯定這部分先跟院長報告 |
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我想今天我們提到我們來談這個ART的事情那依據這個條約締結法五國條約締結法那這個ART那個台美對等貿易協定這個本來就是要送到立法院審查所以今天我們才會一起在這個地方那這個當然也是國會實質審查的一環 |
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那這次呢比較意外的就是說美國司法對於IPA的違憲那美方現在又改用這1974的貿易法案第22條的這有關臨時關稅的徵收甚至現在還有說法就是說可能會上調到15所以當然立法委員的立場我們當然是要替全國人民把關 |
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那院長在2月21號你們的官網有寫到這個臨時性的關稅10%這個部分你們認為說衝擊影響有限而且你們都會持續的關注當然你們還有再提到就是說將來我們可能還會面臨到 |
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301條款或是232條款的這些問題所以等於是外部的風險以及非常多的不確定性都還在持續的上升那美國他們的法源也在翻轉中但是你也是一直呼籲說國人要相信美方相信這個協議會被尊重那在我的立場我當然會擔心說我們會不會搞到最後這個對等變成是美國說了算美國說了就叫做對等 |
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這是我的擔心這是我對於未來的擔心那再來就是您的報告也寫得很清楚就是美方還在研議中研議完會通知我們那不就代表目前還沒有一個具體的做法他們的具體做法我們還不知道那現在如果說要我們相信或叫國會背書 |
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那我也會擔心說那這個是對等嗎這個會不會是更高的一個風險所以我們今天一直講說我們要相信美方我們要積極爭取但是這個部分我是希望能夠提供您希望您能夠就兩個部分能夠再用力再給我們一些答覆但第一個在目前LRT的基礎上面有沒有把10%這個部分還有 |
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上調到15%將來有可能性這個臨時關稅上調15%或者是有可能轉向301對中長期的這個風險情境的評估一起納入這個產業的衝擊報告的評估裡面因為我看到你們有提到有智庫啦那這個部分我想這幾個情境的風險還是要讓國人知道好不好這個部分要請人要做到 |
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第二個就是說這個對等的意思啊如果是將來美方如果違反這個協定的話那我們的我們的底牌在哪裡我們有什麼武器可以因應我們的反制工具是什麼那這個反制工具多久內可以啟動這個部分也是我所希望知道的那到底我要來確認一下我們這個ART到底有沒有如同他的名詞所說的是一個對等 |
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我是比較在意這個部分因為我看了一下那個經濟日報的社論其實他有提到啊他是說什麼台灣跟這個ART期存在一些誤判的問題啦而且這是很多產業界擔心的因為他們總是擔心說一下拉高這一下提高那個會不會將來他的利潤會被吃乾媽淨這個是大家所擔心的沒關係我等一下會把一些問題提出來 |
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那再來就是我們這次那個協定的7.4條的第二項其實有一個這個你們看一下那個PowerPoint上面有他其實有提到這是協定的內容其實不應限制或以其他方式阻礙一方代表或領域或當局為糾正不公平貿易的行為應進行的進口激增等等這些 |
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類似你們看這個文字好了我就不再念出來那這個問題是出在說因為這個第二項寫得很清楚不應阻礙或限制一方代表那這個一方就代表不是只有美方我方也可以嘛對不對我想這個很清楚 |
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對不對 院長是這樣嗎這個讓副院長來說明因為談判的每一個條文 每一條每一點都是自製的徵手我今天很善意的非常簡要的跟委員回應就是通常這個第七節Session 7它主要都是這個協定後去履行公關的這個法律安排那通常這一條比較是一般性的這個國內法律權利的保留條款它其實指的就是說美方它保有它的政策 |
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當然我方也是保有我方的法律 |
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跟法規的條款所以這是一個比較一般性的一個法規條款謝謝副院長我這很清楚聽得很清楚好那美方有那請問我國呢因為他是叫做一方嘛他不叫美方嘛那依據這個條文的規定是這個規定是一方那一方也包括我國也是其中的一方那請問一下我國在面對這樣的客觀狀況的時候我們能夠採用什麼樣的措施請問一下 |
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那這個一方當然就是指從每一方來看所以這個沒有問題這個在一般的法律條文裡面他基本上就是一個雙方有他國內的相關的法律條文你沒有回答到我的問題我的意思是說因為他是寫一方嘛那代表美方跟中華民國嘛那請問一下我們有什麼樣的權益可以使用有什麼樣的法律依據可以使用 |
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就是包含這個任何的法律人權基於選舉政委可以備詢 沒問題 您請上對 那個委員 那個有一些法條問題政委非常熟 原則非常熟時間繼續 謝謝委員這一方是指雙方 |
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不是不是 這個不是我的問題嘛我一直說一方是代表美方跟中華民國我是說我方可以採取什麼樣的動作嗎我方就是說當我們認為美國的產品有進口激增的時候我們可以採取WTO上下的救濟措施例如進口限制或是Safeguard或是Anti-Dumping或是Subsidy他講的是這種 |
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我方仍然保有我國國內法律保護我國受公平貿易的相關的法律的效力所以我今天就是在問這個問題就是我方到底有什麼樣的反制措施那因為美方的話我們現在動不動就聽到美方說有301.2.32等等的很多的武器要來面對對付其他國家那我才會問說那依據這個第二項所提到的我們會有什麼樣的措施可以提出 |
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那除了你們剛剛講的那有沒有相關的法律我們的法律依據是什麼有 我們有進口救濟措施在經濟部還有財政部都有貿易法貿易法相關都有相關的條文 |
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就回歸我國國內的法律所以我今天不是來考大記憶力我只是把我的疑問提出來請你們回覆所以當然你們誰要出來解釋我都非常樂意主外一方代表指的是the other party就是指的對方主外的時候我方就沒有啦我了解啦我說一方是指兩邊都可以嘛所以美方一直在新聞上面提供他們301等等那我也要知道我方有什麼 |
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這個必須要告訴全國人民我們到底還有什麼東西因為我看到就是天下雜誌他有整理到就是說美國貿易代表他有講了說還甚至可以提到15%然後他可以那個有足夠的時間讓政府去整齊提動301條款那我也要知道我們有什麼東西可以因應那像這樣子的啟動大概都需要花多少時間有沒有什麼SOP我說我國 |
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依照我們的貿易法的相關的規定如果要採取進口救濟的話業者可以提出來政府也可以自行但是要經過一定的時間的調查調查時間大概多久這個我一下忘記應該至少一定要6個月以上好那這個東西請麻煩都讓全國人民知道再來我想請教一下我看到你們的報告你們的報告提到 |
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你們有找過民間智庫做初步的估算就是你們認為說這個衝擊性可能沒有那麼的那麼大他的衝擊有限請問一下這個民間智庫是指什麼哪一間智庫這是經濟部這個相關不是經濟部啦你們找的智庫 |
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我們可以下載嗎? |
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就是因為你們現在只有在你們的報告第13頁有提到一個民間智庫那我想請問一下這個智庫的報告細項我要去哪裡看得到 還有一些評估行政院召開正式記者會都有請經濟部提供PowerPoint所以會後我們可以不是PowerPoint 我只要詳細的智庫的報告詳細的評估經濟部可以再進一步提供給委員因為我們如果要提供完整的這些評估報告比較細項那個部分是不是等到文本一併的 |
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好 那不能這樣好了啦至少讓我知道你們會給我那你們剛剛是告訴了我民間智庫是哪幾個嘛然後再來我是希望我希望完整的看一下內容是什麼因為這個東西其實是很重要的啦因為我必須知道到底民間智庫是幾家你們有沒有做交叉的驗證這個我必須知道 |
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再來他的評估的狀況怎麼樣對我國影響多大因為我跟各位報告雖然你們就是以政府的角度是這樣看但是民間每個人都挫在蛋啦我想各位一定能夠感同身受他們都很害怕所以他們都會一直跟我們溝通所以我希望知道這些內容好不好就麻煩你要把資料提供給我這個大概多久可以提供給我 |
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只要那個確定了我們文本要送上去的時候我們就會把這些比較詳細的怎麼樣估算的內容好那我稍微等一下如果我一直等覺得沒有到我會發文跟你們詢問好不好報告員我們要讓他確定之後最終的影響評估我們給他公布出來否則這個過程像過去32、20、15我們都有如果都很詳細全部公布我想在引用上也會造成一些不必要的 |
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混淆 所以我們最終的時候會把定案時候的影響評估公布出來也經過這個民間的智庫來公布出來他們用什麼樣的模型 用什麼樣的角色裡面都會完整的揭露 沒有問題因為我是看到你們的報告寫 因為是太簡單了啦 |
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因為你們就只有寫說你們的智庫怎麼樣所以說你們現在可以看一下那個PowerPoint上面我有這幾個問題就是我希望說智庫的名稱還有希望能夠把它公開我另外也希望知道一個點就是說當時他們在做這些評估的時候他有沒有邀請公總還有一些協會去做一些了解這個我也必須要知道一下另外就是 |
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這個你們所謂的適當情況的這個定義這個我也想要反正你們就看一下這上面這幾個點我都希望能夠知道這個也是國人非常希望知道的那還有就是我剛提到三種情況就是10%或者是上調到15%或者是 |
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在動用了301這個最不幸的狀況發生之後前面兩項有沒有做出一些評估前面兩項已經做了因為301的部分怎麼樣還沒有就是美方還沒有怎麼樣還沒有說明他的調查方式調查方式調查項目那10%加MFN的衝擊分析以及15%加MFN的衝擊分析已經做了已經用記者會先用 |
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這個整體說明那接下來我們當然會密切關注他啟動301或其他法律途徑我們都會來積極因應所以我們對跟委員報我們講說我們有信心在後續變動中確保爭取原來鞏固談判成果那這樣至少前面兩個啦你們說10跟15的部分你們這個已經完畢了嘛那這有沒有辦法兩個禮拜內先給我這個已經可以確定的部分 |
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我再跟那個智庫了解一下就是說可以揭露到什麼地步因為這個是也是有智慧財產權不過我還是要覺得不是啊 這個是公家委託委託這個智庫去做的嘛這個提供給國會這個應該不是什麼智慧財產權的問題啊是 但是就是說我看看可以揭露到什麼地步我們盡可能可以公布的部分全部公布 |
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不然你還是盡快給我啦好不好盡快反正你們如果一直沒有給我可能就只好請我去跟你們要那當然你說那個後續的部分因為美方那邊動作還沒有完成那你說不知道那我當然可以接受 |
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但是可以的部分我還是要先去弄清楚到底這些智庫講了什麼那最後其實我還要再跟你們提一個點其實像我國也是有很多相關的國內的法律啦那譬如說我們關稅法70條它其實也有一些規範我們可以去因應就我剛講的那個7.4的第二項裡面我國到底有什麼樣的法律依據可以用其實像剛剛你們講的很清楚 |
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那另外呢 我覺得我們的關稅法也有提到所以相關的因應總是我們要讓人民知道這是一個對等這是一個對等的協定不是說美方說了算所以麻煩一下這幾個東西都能夠把我放到你們的評估報告裡面然後盡快能夠給我 好不好好 謝謝謝謝吳宗憲委員 指定謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長 國務部長備詢 謝謝 |
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接下来我们咨询的委员外汇文咨询完 |