| IVOD_ID |
167420 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/167420 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-03T10:37:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-03T10:53:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/321e35c043cc325ba476758e6e97b32405351cf5c593b4e367addb1cb79b2347c86df9d5e1265cba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:37:14 - 10:53:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
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好 主席謝謝 麻煩請總統太院長好 請卓院長備詢鴻偉好 院長好今天算是15號 還算是過年期間不過我相信不管是團隊也好不管是我們立法院其實都已經正式上工代表說我們為台灣2350萬人共同努力打拚 |
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我們的心態都是一致的我們態度都是一致的早上我們先來討論這個關稅的議題的時候我要先請教一個國際形勢因為畢竟現在國際形勢變化萬千那個中東的一個形勢剛剛我知道有聽到經濟部部長也有講到是說我們現在的天然氣存量或是石油相關的部分主要會受到是中東的這個地區海峽的一個封鎖 |
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那但是上半個月是已經過了這海峽那下半個月現在已經有找替代了可是這是不是代表是說如果說這個戰事中東地區超過一個月以上的話確實對我們國內的天然氣或是石油是有影響的我們應該還有安全的存量對除了安全存量因為安全存量是持續的嘛我現在要請教的就很科學的問題我不是要套話但是就是說現在面臨到中東地區的一個形勢不知道大家會打多久 |
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那現在對於我們自己的一個能源的部分因為剛剛也有委員問到有沒有可能短時間包括說因為這樣子而造成能源的一個狀況這是國安問題來請回答 |
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報告委員 所以三月份的問題已經解決我們現在就開始啟動解決四月份的問題一步一步的把它解決掉那基本上是透過很多我們自己可以提前調貨就是跟非中東地區的部分我們會跟他講說因為我們會受影響的比例其實並不是說完全是中東地區來的油或天然氣而是經過海峽 還是說兩者都有 |
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主要是中東地區其他的部分比如說是來自澳洲或其他地區那個就不會有影響我們可以跟他們討論就是說我們原來跟你因為那個都是長約有沒有可能說我們提前提貨類似這樣的情況因為他總是要我們應變措施可能會跟其他地區沒有受戰火影響的譬如說澳洲等等提前提貨或者是說日本跟韓國也有其他的地區有一些貨我們可以跟他調 |
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跟日本跟韓國調貨日本韓國不會他們自己也有缺乏嗎因為這個是全世界的影響所以日本韓國有可能把他們原本有的貨來調給我們 |
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如果有機會的話他要從其他地方來的話那不然就是部長我們是已經有劇本了還是你現在天馬行空在想不是不是不是我們就是往這三個方向好這三個方向因為你在國會殿堂裡面本席要的就是確保我們國內的能源無餘這個是我們首要目標我相信你也一樣但我們要用什麼樣的方法我要的是點出這個問題請行政單位現在就要因應 |
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中東地區形勢有可能延長的狀況來做後續的劇本因應院長這樣可以嗎我們這兩天都在研議這樣的一個狀況那在最安全的考量之下找出多元的方式出來好 就包括剛剛經濟部長講的這幾個部分三個面向好 那另外第二個部分當然國人同胞在那邊所以我們也看到說有沒有撤僑的計畫 |
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本席先跟您報告一下剛剛最新的一個新聞美國對十個國家中東地區包括阿聯包括卡達等十個國家發布了大規模的撤離令也就是美國要求這十個國家撤僑德國也啟動了撤僑計畫優先接回附用那本席也知道外交部這邊已經統計了現在在中東地區我們差不多有三千多名的國人其中最多人是在沙烏地阿拉伯兩千多名嘛 |
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那到目前為止我們有沒有相關的一個計畫報告委員目前市長你的回答媒體已經看到我現在要問的是院長是啊就是說現在確實我現在要問的是院長就是說我們現在有沒有後續的計畫因為你的回答已經講了嘛目前沒有嘛要等空域開放嘛但是我們現在講是說中東地區有可能戰火我們當然希望世界趕快和平但是不是超視在我們 |
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那一樣的道理當美國當德國已經啟動了撤僑計畫的時候我們目前至少有沒有因應措施我們開始要研擬如果真的有一天必須要撤僑的話我們的包機在哪裡我們的應變 |
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方式在哪裡?橋包回來之後安置的地點在哪裡?到今天早上以前因為我們現在知道美國等國家展開了比較大規模的撤僑計畫所以在這個之前我們首先確保的是我們在各個的管處能不能對我們在當地的國人或是旅行團確實掌握那這個部分我們做到了這個都有掌握了嗎?本期也看到外交部的新聞 |
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管束以及人員也要自身也要安全這個我們也做到了那現在因為各國展開一些比較大規模的策略但台灣 中華民國台灣並不是一個在行動的國家我們認為我們應該可以降低一些直接對我們傷害的情況並不是我們什麼樣的國家不是直接參與行動的國家 |
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所以對我們在當地的僑胞我們除了在高度的警戒之外我們要參考現在其他各國撤僑的具體的計畫落實的時間等等是 這就是本席剛剛提的要跟其他國家保持高度的意見 院長這就是本席剛剛提的德國有沒有實際參與中東這個戰火並沒有嘛我們至少看到是並沒有但是德國已經啟動了專機撤僑優先復如先回德國或是離開其他國家 |
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但是本席現在講的是說我並不是說馬上你今天就一定要測試不是而是因應中東的形勢至少我們現在要演你我如果說真的有一天或者是說這一個禮拜內突然間加劇了我們要怎麼樣應變三千多名同胞在中東地區都是我們的國人沒錯吧 |
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所以我們第一個掌握這個人數跟他在這個每個國家所以院長能夠跨部會來做一個研擬至少針對這樣的狀況外交部主責當然跨部會來做一個研擬針對這個狀況來應變可以嗎昨天早上就已經全盤都推演過一次不要讓國人沒有看到如果說真的有發生緊急的情況的時候不要沒有任何的計畫好那拉回來我們今天主要的一個部分就關稅本席看完您完整的報告剛剛您的報告本席有看到 |
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我認同一句話在第二頁維護國家及產業最大利益為目標我們積極跟美方聯繫溝通這是我們共同努力的為什麼 |
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行政立法對內我們監督制衡但對外只要中華民國的核心價值主權我們絕對一起努力所以這是本席現在站在這邊包括我們的副院長也有提到我們江啟臣副院長也都有提過說其實在野的監督制衡並不是讓行政部門難做事反而某程度上是增加談判的底氣過去民進黨在野的時候也講過類似的話 |
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也都說在野的監督制衡不要把我們當成洪水猛獸不是對外一起爭取中華民國的核心價值利益有什麼樣可以多爭取多溝通的就像你講的積極跟美聯繫溝通這就是很好啊 |
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積極跟美聯繫溝通並不等於是重啟談判對吧是我們要確認美方的後續的動作也確保我們已經得到的最佳利益非常好所以本席剛看完你整篇的報告以及包括我們鄭麗君副院長等等講法其實我歸納幾點第一現在美國一開始的時候他們是用EPA來去要求全球那所以我們逼迫要站上談判桌去談的ART |
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跟NOU但是現在美國的最高法院講說EPA是致死無效沒有辦法生效也因此美國馬上再祭出122後續我們現在看起來122對於我們的ART來講相對是我們認為比較嚴格 |
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對不對 對我們產業創業局比較大即便現在122是只有增加10%我們的ART是增加15%但是我們預計有可能他會增加15%可是另外一點我們其實預防跟擔心的是有沒有可能他後續會用232或是301 |
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來再去對於我們來增加更多的關稅所以行政團隊到目前為止給我們的邏輯都是我們既然已經談到了ART了這就是現在我們能夠談到最好的條件了不可能比它更好了我們應該要趕快來接受接受之後有遊戲規則定下來我們就可以往前走是不是這樣子 |
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是這個意思邏輯是這個意思沒有錯委員長所講大致趨勢如此不過跟委員做詳細補充1.22是一個過渡性的措施讓他美國要維持繼續有關稅存在那後續美國貿易代表署已經說明有可能啟動這個301調查那301調查我們評估屆時他會是一個替代性IPA的法律工具那調查之後我們當然希望我們也評估他會反映出前期談判的一個成果 |
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所以我們的目標就是鞏固不論他用什麼法律工具我們要鞏固既有談判成果至於232您提到的我們得到罪惠待遇那他會不會增加232調查的項目我們已經在MOU裡面安排一條 |
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就是我們取得既有的已經制定的項目的稅率以及半導體未來可能宣布的關稅下的優惠待遇未來如果232持續增加項目一譬如說把原來對等移到232我們也會持續跟美國磋商爭取優惠待遇這已經寫在MOU作為預防232增加項目的一個定義好 副院長我尊重您所以我多讓您講一些現在關鍵的問題來了幾個部分我們很快就有來釐清第一 |
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所以ART跟NOU我們現在跟美國簽的什麼時候可以生效是不是要等雙方國會審議過後 |
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還是現在已經生效了剛剛這個院長已經有說明了這個談判結果其實美國政府有對外說明包括格瑞爾大使這兩天都持續說因為我時間有限不用拖時間對我現在剛剛已經給你時間說明了我現在講什麼時候生效美方希望維繫協議所以現在如果說以法理來講現在已經生效了嗎沒有因為要經大院審查才會生效我們現在還沒有送大院 |
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667.401 |
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679.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
所以還沒有送大院嘛所以如果以法理來講最快生效應該是送立法院送國會兩方國會審議過後嘛好所以第二個部分今天我本來期待的是已經可以看到完整的 |
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680.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
702.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
內穩了但是沒有那剛剛也見有委員提過了就說那什麼時候行政院要送來既然你剛剛邏輯講說我們趕快爭取時間ART已經談判到最好了那請教什麼時間可以送進來我們這兩天已經都有跟美方聯繫什麼時候可以送進來美方政府跟我們說明目前美國正在內部研議跟重建法律工具3月3號嗎那什麼時候可以送進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
705.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
724.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
離清說明我們確保約會待遇之後我們就會我們就會向這個協議文本MOE及影響評估送交國會來所以現在時間沒有辦法定院長我現在在質詢院長除非你想篡位不然的話你應該是要讓尊重院長的回答嘛還是院長都不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
725.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
731.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我早上已經說明了來再來第二個部分122現在很多的委員包括我們南部委員都講是說因為122裡面有27項台灣豁免在ART豁免裡面沒有包含對不對專屬豁免444項工業豁免沒有豁免那我們能不能利用這150天因為122未來150天之後美國國會能不能繼續授權不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
751.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
775.297 |
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我們也沒有辦法確認嘛但是至少我們預期的是有可能一二會持續不然我們也不用那麼緊張一二有可能之後會過渡到其他的法律工具所以我現在在講的是說我們既然已經談到了ART有27項的農業豁免444項的工業豁免能不能利用這段時間再請我們的談判代表積極跟美方爭取聯繫溝通把他放進來我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
776.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
786.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
即將要送進來立法院的審議的ART裡面122的部分它有一部分是全球豁免那我本來只針對我們的我們現在針對我們的部分因為我們ART已經談了對122對我們來講比較弱的地方就是這27票那144項 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
795.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
820.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
那我期待是當你三月底送進來的時候是我們可以爭取到說把227跟444也放進我們的ARP嘛我們就是希望鞏固R的裁判結果所以我要先謝謝委員肯定R的裁判結果再來我請教未來我剛剛的邏輯講完了你也認同就是說我們其實不只怕122擔心啦 不要說怕啦我們更擔心的是未來232跟301 |
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823.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
828.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
如果說他現在2323301調查完畢之後他把台灣又把他給懲罰了 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
829.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
856.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那對我們來講產業的衝擊非常大也因此我們能不能在這一次談判ART的時候也把它加入彈珠未來即便是301或是232美國調查出來有任何狀況台灣也是在豁免範圍內報告委員232目前不受影響只有未來232增加項目MOU已經有條文我可以跟委員肯定回答你的增加項目是15%嘛如果說低的話會這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
858.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
863.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
本席有看過你的說明所以說我很完整的理解我現在講的是說不管是232或301 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
866.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我們都會爭取到最佳待遇部長你剛剛有提過現在美國232跟301在調查中裡面有寫到我們在MOU的成果裡面有提到台美雙方不要狀況台美雙方就未來232調查項目持續攜手會待遇我現在在講的是232也好或301也好未來它是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
892.097 |
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914.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我們都會確保確保鞏固我們就像122出來的時候他是把我們ART還要再增加一些貿易的障礙那也因此本席現在在講如果說我們在行政團隊認為說ART現在談到是我們現階段最有力的部分那就應該要努力爭取即便未來美國有232或是301301都要把 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
918.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
923.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
依照ART的精神打給霍敏開我們能不能往這個方向談能不能承諾往這個方向談並且取得成果 |
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971.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
971.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
975.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
976.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
好 謝謝 謝謝洪委員 謝謝卓院長 |